>this incredibly leftist thing I saw in star trek is not left or right, it's FORWARD!
Do these people not realize these themes are slipped into sci-fi shows specifically to make them believe they are necessary for the future?
>>76132501
Give me an example because I have no clue what you're on about.
The wars , poverty and famine ended after the first encounter with the vulcans. Mankind united formed the federation based in the UN. Pure globalism.
If it happened in Star Trek it must be practical and realistic.
>>76132583
The super collectivist globalist attitude to which >>76132791 refers, the seeming complete lack of material possessions or consumer market whatsoever, plots that involve evil robber-baron capitalists being thwarted by good guy government agents. You might want to watch the series. Despite the political agenda it's good television.
>>76132501
>FORWARD!
I wish we could go forward a little bit.
In the past they argued that people wouldn't be motivated enough to work unless they got whipped and beaten. Or that they couldn't have any comfort or luxury, because they would get used to it or whatever. Or they couldn't be too educated because it would give them ideas (but look at the gender studies SJWs and you might think they had a point). But things got progressively less oppressive.
As technology improves, more and more of people's needs could be covered universally (housing, clothing, food/water, computer/internet, healthcare, education, etc) because it becomes an insignificant part of the economy (healthcare and education are probably always going to be expensive though). We're already there for certain things (but housing is a bitch right now).
People are not necessarily still going to be motivated enough to work without the threat of deprivation; society as a whole has to be ready for progress. There has been such progress in the past; hopefully there will be more in the future.
>>76132501
What all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
Leftists don't study the science and engineering that will drive the technologically progress that would actually facilitate the kinds of societies they want. They instead fill the humanities departments, and insist that you can talk and propagandize your way to Star Trek. They have no regard for the material consequences of technology. They view the world much the way a child views magic tricks.
>>76133519
To be fair, the Vulkans kinda gave them the technology to create things out of nothing, when you have infinite food and infinite industrial capacity without having to have people work for it. then its alot easier to become globalist like they are in Star Trek.
>>76132501
>>76134261
And example I like to use is the global warming and alternative energy debate. Leftists almost never decide to actually develop the new energy technologies that will make the whole debate moot, and worse they fight the existing alternative like nuclear that could ameliorate some of the trends the see. They are simple ideologues, and incapable of reason. They're the very kind of people that will need to be eliminated before anything like Star Trek could happen.
>>76134442
That's the point. That's the whole point.
>>76134544
...if you want to wipe out poverty, don't study Gender Theory, and look to political philosophies and dialectical materialism. Study physics and invent a FUCKING replicator. Weak minded people want shortcuts though.
>>76132926
I'm a libertarian but pictures like this get me every time. Thanks for the lols.
>>76134261
most intellectuals are leftists, and all capitalists are leftists.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Q26XIKtwXQ
Thiel is one of the only honest speaking public figures on this topic. This video is scary, because it shows you how they (Google) look at the world.
>>76132926
Libertarian looks more fun.
I want to ride eternal. Shiny and chrome.
Everyone should begin with this masterpiece. It answers the questions about the creation of Star Trek universe, and yes, it's all about energy. Good entertainment.
>>76134778
Ironically, "communist" China seems blessedly free of such leftists. Thiel's valid points about incentive currently don't apply to East Asia, especially China, as they piggy back off of the risk and investment of the west, but within the next 30 years, that relationship will shift, and the investment capability and responsibility will fall away from the west and towards China. Thankfully, they are much less constrained by some of the kinds of cultural hang-ups that we have. For all the talk of "ant people", lack of creativity, and low human worth, East Asians actually have a much less anti-human streak in their mentality than the likes of Google imo.
I just hope the west does go full Jew and just destroy the east outright out of spite once they start innovating on their own, and we start stagnating (as if we haven't already)
>>76132501
I think the concept of Post Scarcity is something Gene Roddenberry genuinely believed out of sheer idealism.
And I think Globalists for the most part also believe in that possible utopia. But I'm pretty sure our world will look more like Psycho Pass in the next century than anything else.
>>76135497
I just hope the west DOESN'T*** go full Jew
>>76135469
All the TNG movies are bullshit.
>>76132501
Television is propaganda through and through. Sci-fi, children's shows, "news," documentaries, dramas... Have you just discovered this???
It's not called the jew-tube for nothing.
>>76132501
SEIG KAISER
>>76132501
The pendulum will swing back HARD.
The future belongs to us.
DS9 was pretty red-pilled
Well globalism will be necessary once we reach the point of having separate colonies on other planets. Otherwise we will have space battles and shit and that would be bad
>>76132501
Where can I get a copy of the LOTGH series?
>>76136352
LE LEDPILL XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
>>76134695
Pretty much. In essence the show is a thought experiment about a post-scarcity society. You can't really say star trek is evil because it promotes communism when everyone in the show can have all material desires by default. That's why characters are motivated by prestige and learning.
>>76132501
I'm still looking forward to the Jetsons.
Cucks think the future is rainbows and globalism and "tolerance". But that's not how history works. Space will be the death of liberalism.
>>76136433
>Where can I get a copy of the LOTGH series
Download it, here's link to the torrent (44GB) just download a few episodes at a time. I was getting about 3mb/s
>>76136690
forgot link https://kat.cr/usearch/Legend%20of%20the%20Galactic%20Heroes/
>>76134442
So the Vulcans gave us the Philosopher's Stone? And the wars, poverty and famine ended after that? The world didn't devolve into ideological warfare, between those who embraced the new technology and those who didn't want to lose what we had? Is the Conservative Genocide ever touched upon in the series or is it left to our imagination?
>>76135676
And they don't think it's problematic to stir their medieval fantasy into modern politics? Odd.
>>76136403
Cowboy Bebop says otherwise.
>>76136795
Spreading the patrician values of LOGH, one pleb at a time.
>>76132501
It's simple fact and logic.
>automated processes/robots will phase out even more jobs in the future, there will simply not be enough jobs
>production efficiency will make it so a small fraction of the world's population can sustain the rest of the world's population
>information technology continues to break down communication barriers between nations
>travel technology continues to break down physical barriers between nations
>governments are unable to remain separate as populations globally align
>information will become freer as technology advances
>resources will deplete more rapidly as human population grows
>pollution will exponentially increase as human population grows
>nuclear fusion will become sustainable and revolutionize the world or we will all be wiped out before that happens
Therefore, we can draw two conclusions.
1. We enter a nuclear age where much of the population will no longer work and is supported by a small portion of our population; aka a post-scarcity future like Star Trek.
2. Human civilization as we know it dies. This will happen through a combination of ruining our environment and warfare. There will be a small portion of humanity left, but they will inherit a destroyed Earth will far less resource potential, destined to either die out or migrate into space.
>>76136690
>>76136795
Thanks anon. Couldn't find anything on TPB and I'm usually skeptical of torrenting sites.
>>76136191
>>76136559
I hope we discover hostile aliens, and it forces humans to all become hardline militarists and nationalists, and we adopt a realist eugenics program designed to put whites in leadership roles, Asians as computer/tech specialists, and the various niggers as grunts.
>>76136936
The reason the world didn't devolve into ideological warfare in the ST universe was because the Vulcans showed up right at the end of World War III. The entire planet had ALREADY pretty much collapsed, governments were in shambles, if they existed at all, and there really wasn't anywhere to go but up.
If Star Trek was written now, from scratch, as a series of novels, it would deserve points for a very plausible sociology, and historiography. It's maybe even more impressive that it seems to get those things right as a TV and movies series, mediums which usually dumb down or ignore those kind of questions.
>>76137147
Be sure to download and watch My Conquest is the Sea of Stars and Overture to a New War before starting the main series.
>>76137113
Pictured, #2.
>>76132501
Star Trek was normie territory the moment Patrick Stewart came on screen
>>76137310
Will do anon, thanks again.
>>76137551
>normie
Nice norp terminology.
>>76137113
>jobs
There is no such thing in the Federation you idiot
As much as I hate TNG literally nobody gets anything more than a pseudo salary
Bunch of "credits" to spend on drink at the bar because replicators have made all forms of currency obsolete since whatever you want is basically infinite
>>76137879
t. can't read
>>76137113
The major flaw with this is that any of this is only possible due to the discovery of the Philosopher's Stone. In a more realistic scenario the replicators would run on some kind of raw material that would open up a huge mining industry, which would actually incentivize the expansion of the human race beyond the planet Earth, kind of like agriculture aided in the western expansion of the United States. None of this requires universal income or identical yellow suits. Is there a book about this concept or am I going to have to write it? I'm not the greatest writer. Writing is what leftists do when they've run out of people who are willing to listen to them prattle on about their ideologies.
>>76138701
Where did I mention replicators?
>>76138969
Well if you don't have devices that can rearrange atoms to create anything, how would the labor industry possibly die?
>>76139110
Automation via robots will drastically reduce job availability. Read the post, imbecile.
>>76136156
Have a (you) since nobody else took the bait.
You are smart. You are funny. Paella is a real food.
>>76139223
Are you implying that anyone in their right mind would pay to maintain a robot when they can hire a few humans to do its job for cheaper? No, they won't do that. Unless some external element took away the humans' ability to price themselves competitively.
>>76134503
I hate leftist so goddamn much, one idiot was arguing with me about fusion power is bad and it could blow up damaging a the surrounding area while simultaneously talking about how global warming was destroying our planet.
>>76139756
Given your logic, our industry today would not use automated machines. That is simply not the case. Better luck next life, later homo.
>>76140291
Yeah, why would anyone want to reduce the cost to manufacture a product so they can sell it to people who work for them and make more money? That's the most ridiculous idea I have ever heard.
>>76140515
You're assuming that people are less expensive than machines and can produce at similar rates. That's factually incorrect. You are legitimately dumb and should kill yourself to reduce the burden on society.
>>76140644
>Unless some external element took away the humans' ability to price themselves competitively.
I'd actually expect an illiterate person like yourself to make such frequent ad-hominem attacks as his argument continues to crumble.
>>76137113
>>resources will deplete more rapidly as human population grows
>>pollution will exponentially increase as human population grows
perhaps it's time to realize that wildly uncontrolled growth is a bad thing
for all the forward-thinking that progressives claim to do, for some reason they doggedly believe that growth for growth's sake is some kind of universal good
they don't understand that unchecked growth is simply a by-product of competition. if they truly believe that a post-scarcity, jobless society is the future, why do they also believe in wild uncontrolled growth of the population? it's population growth that causes all these issues that leftists hate in the first place
>>76137147
It's literally all on Youtube in HD now.
>>76136173
Just looking at this makes me question these ships. Just how big are those missiles? These ships were fucking massive and required 10k+ people to crew.
>>76132501
Is this like an anti-Type I Civilization thread?
>>76132501
I don't see anything wrong with the "socialist" society of Star Trek, mainly because they live in a post scarcity society, and despite everyones needs being met, people are motivated to work hard and innovate anyway. The humans in Star Trek are in many ways more evolved than we are.
Im sure a globalist society is inevitable, but right now it is NOT GOOD for the Earth only because it is too soon. We can't make the progress we want to make if we have to bear the weight of third world degeneracy at the same time. Isolationism will force other countries and cultures to get their shit together, decide who they are and what they stand for, and then I will consider a borderless society.
I don't understand what is your point? If we live in a world where robots can do all of our work for us and all that crap what do you propose we do to deal with this? Just kill all of the "useless" people? That sounds unnecessarily evil for the sake of being evil. Or do you want to prevent robots from replacing people? Why? Because you are used to having to work? That's a juvenile reason to turn down ethical slavery. Or do you just want things to continue the way they are without changing anything? Then people will get pissed off when they have no money and are dying and will rebel and cause a war. I'm sorry but in a post-scarcity type world, capitalism will have to end or at least drastically change.
>>76143409
I'm sure in the fantasy land of Star Trek (where people work and innovate without incentive) socialism is the best system they could use, but the problem is that impressionable youths think that in order to have that cool space-age lifestyle they must first take a full swig of Das Kapital.
>>76143983
You only believe post-scarcity can happen because your television told you to. FYI the star trek socialist society is the result of post-scarcity, not the cause.
>>76144591
>FYI the star trek socialist society is the result of post-scarcity, not the cause.
I know, that's what I said. Also it could happen, robots are getting more and more advanced. Technology will keep advancing, the world 100 years from now will be very different than the world today.
>>76144961
Have you read the thread?
>>76137113
>Jobs become unobtainable as automation takes hold
>This forces increasing numbers of people to study for the same subjects to compete with the same jobs
>This is where the Leftist answer "education" ends.
>Employers gain a massive desperate employment market allowing them to exploit the shit out of the applicants
>Those who fail, become jaded or never try join an ever increasing underclass
>That underclass either sustains itself on welfare or illicit activities
>If it's crime the nation begins rotting from within forcing an authoritarian boot on the masses
>Expect purges and poorly maintained utilities leading to the population declining to manageable levels
>If it's welfare the government builds up astronomical debt as the number of tax payees outnumber the payers a million fold
>If the government tries to raise taxes the money will merely be moved overseas
>The country will find itself bankrupt
>If the nation still calls itself democratic the massive underclass will vote for communism under the dream of a larger share in the wealth
>Mass brain drain as those with wealth and knowledge move to less controlled economies
>Famine takes hold
>Population declines to manageable levels
The end solution to automation is always the reduction in people. No government will admit this and every corporation will pay whatever bribe they can to import more people despite this as the goal of business is always to expand.
>>76145124
I don't see anything that contradicts what I said? I'm not talking about Star Trek exactly, just a post-scarcity like world where the way the economy works is very different from now.
>>76145433
You must have missed the part where I pointed out that post-scarcity is literally a medieval legend and how the invention of the replicator would create jobs rather than kill them.
>>76144961
>I know, that's what I said. Also it could happen, robots are getting more and more advanced.
Pinning your beliefs on the magic bullet of technological progress you have no hand in nor any understanding is foolhardy.
>>76136936
>So the Vulcans gave us the Philosopher's Stone? And the wars, poverty and famine ended after that? The world didn't devolve into ideological warfare, between those who embraced the new technology and those who didn't want to lose what we had? Is the Conservative Genocide ever touched upon in the series or is it left to our imagination?
The thing about the ST universe is that if a group of humans feels like they don't approve
I remember one episode of TNG where the enterprise needed to evacuate this colony where everyone was basically living the life of an 1890's potato nigger in terms of technology and lifestyle and shit because that's the way they wanted to live.
>>76145683
Most of your posts rely on things remaining the same as they are now. I am not going to talk about the feasibility of the replicator but robots could easily replace people. A robot would never make mistakes, it would never get tired, it would never slow down, it would always perform exactly as expected and do what it tells you. Of course that is after it has been bug tested and getting it 100% perfect is probably impossible but getting it near perfect could be. In that case robots could replace humans. Actually, it would just have to perform better than a human and be cheaper so it wouldn't even have to be near perfect.
>>76146181
My beliefs aren't pinned in this. I am not a socialist or advocating socialism, I am just saying that in one possible future it, or something similar to it, could be the best decision for human beings.
>>76146417
The fact is that we already have the technology to replace humans with robots for most basic menial tasks, but implementing them on a large scale would be economic suicide. Did you miss the part where I posted Henry Ford?
>>76146744
Well computers and robots have replaced a lot of jobs, but I am talking about them replacing even more jobs. There are still lots of jobs robots and computers just can't do.
>>76143095
Didn't the destroyers have a crew of like, 5? I remember when Julian commandeered one it only showed that many prisoners. Cruisers obviously have more, but idk, not 10k each.
>>76146948
You missed the 'economic suicide' bit. You may not like capitalism, but capitalists do. Until Harry Potter pulls that magic rock from out of his ass, capitalism will be a great system to have, and only after then would there ever be a chance of it failing.
>>76147684
I agree with you, just not with
>Until Harry Potter pulls that magic rock from out of his ass
I think it is more realistic than you make it seem.
>>76143361
We're not even a type I Civilization yet.
>>76147811
It doesn't have to be a literal ass, but the laws upon which our knowledge of the physical world are built dictate that you can't just create something out of nothing. If we don't kill each other before we discover the Stone, we certainly will when we try to decide what to do with it.
>>76132501
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2p8o77xJEI
Voyager was warning us about Muslims long long long before it was an issue.
>>76134261
>Leftists don't study the science and engineering that will drive the technologically progress that would actually facilitate the kinds of societies they want
What?
Have you been to the STEM side of a university before? They are just as pozzed as the humanities. The only reason they aren't shit is because they HAVE to have standards
>>76136403
I would think colonies would start an anti-globalism movement
That's why globalists aren't very interested in colonizing other planets
Like why would the people on mars want to listen to the chucklefucks on Earth?
>>76132791
The Vulcuns cleansed all the Jews and Muzzies and 99% of the niggers.
>>76143095
The scale is fucked up in that shot.
That destroyer is like 1/10th the size of that cruiser so those missiles should look significantly smaller in the second shot.
>>76148588
Yes, I've been in both actually, since I went back for a 2nd bachelors. EVERYONE at universities is pozzed to some degree at this point. However, most hard science majors I've know have been capable of actual discourse and conversation that doesn't resort to buzzwords and cliches. There IS something that is more prevalent in the minds of STEM types that seems to compel them to respond with some level of dignity when a statistic or piece of data is thrown at them. Conversations just work differently, because at the end of the day, ideology alone is simply BORING.
>>76149296
> There IS something that is more prevalent in the minds of STEM types that seems to compel them to respond with some level of dignity when a statistic or piece of data is thrown at them
Dummie you're missing the point I made
Here I'll highlight it
>The only reason they aren't shit is because they HAVE to have standards
You've said and added nothing in this post so why did you make it?
>>76149648
I thought you were referring to the merely the curriculum restricting retardation with respect to thing that have to do directly with in-class interactions--like they're pozzed morons for the other 18 hours a day they're not in class.
If you meant that the standards screen out more idiots from the start, and they're just generally all around less pozzed because of that, then I agree with you.
>>76133869
Conservatives do not like change as much as liberals. However, the growth of a society depends on change; slavery was once thought of as normal until we changed in recognition that slavery is a crap economic system. It is a great mistake to make many mistakes: what conservative ideology does in its notions against change.
>>76132501
>this incredibly leftist thing I saw in star trek is not left or right, it's FORWARD!
That's not leftist. That's actually a fascist, Third-Way slogan.
