What's your excuse for not being a Communist, /pol/? Do you just hate the poor THAT much? Communism in the only way to provide equal amounts of goods and materials for everyone. Capitalism has failed.
It is an evil system.
something called economics
>>76106128
>Do you just hate the poor THAT much?
Yes.
>>76106128
Ex-communist, ask me anything.
>>76106128
Tragedy of the commons
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons
>>76106412
nice propaganda you have there
what about the innocent people your people killed because of capitalism?
>>76106412
considering the fuckton of spelling errors the education part doesn't seem to be working too well
>>76106128
>the only way to provide equal amounts of goods and materials for everyone.
>implying everyone should have the same goods and materials
>>76106454
What made you grow out of it?
>my little bro is commie-brainwashed and i'm trying to get through to him
>>76106128
>Do you just hate the poor THAT much?
Yes.
>>76106226
Marxist economics exist too.
>>76106559
The Bell Curve. Don't wake him up, what's the point?
>>76106128
I like the aesthetic more than the system.
>>76106636
>tfw Jewish banker scum funded both the Bolshevik Revolution and the Von Mises school
b/c a lot of communism is a mirror of bourgeois values and still strongly values 'work' when we should be working to abolish work as work reproduces all forms of alienation
>>76106412
But the government must provide for the poor through social housing and welfare.
The rich have too much. If the government provided for the poor, then they could get back on their feet.
Communism created homogeneous nation states and inspired nationalism. There was little immigration or degeneracy. The most based societies today were former communist countries and were uneffected by Jewish capitalist influence.
Capitalism is the root of progressivism.
Prove me wrong pro-tip, you can't.
>>76106559
I was brainwashed to be communist in the school but then i discovered wikipedia
our history and geography books use marx and other communists as source of facts
>>76106800
50 years of the war on poverty have not closed the gap between whites and blacks in the US.
>>76106552
Why shouldn't they? We're all human beings. Why should some people have more than others? The current system benefits the rich.
A nation should care for all those within its borders.
>>76106843
Sort of true. Western liberalism is the result of this, and it has two hands, the left hand of Social Liberalism, and the right hand of Economic Liberalism. They go hand in hand.
>>76106861
Lmao. That's so bad.. we have a little of that too. Man I feel sorry for red-pilled Brazilians.
>>76106607
That's a very biased picture.
Communism is the control of the means of production by the workers. Therefore, workers keep what they produce instead of handing it to greedy Capitalist. There IS no state or money.
>>76106843
Yeah, I don't think /pol/ supports the current system. Haven't you noticed? The most decent socialist states were DDR and Yugoslavia I think.
>>76107067
>There IS no state or money.
>thinking a society without a market economy can produce the goods and luxuries we all enjoy today
>>76107018
we are removing commies from our government but our new generations are already lost.
>>76106891
That's because it's been mishandled and is still within a Capitalist system. Not enough has been given to the poor.
>>76106668
He's my brother, i'm not gonna give up.
He's an intelligent guy, just blind on this particular issue due to years of university/media subversion.
He's not like an SJW or an activist or anything.
>>76107183
>more money will fix it trust me
lol
>>76107067
There is also no coordinating force of labor, nor are there any markets to get their products to those in need.
Also, answer this: in a pure communist society, let's say a cobbler produces more shoes than he needs and decides to get rid of a pair.
What is to keep him from exchanging it for something else (i.e. selling private property)? It's a natural mechanism of human nature to do so, how are you to stop it?
What sort of communism do the cucks in this thread advocate?
Stateless communism driven non-forcibly by nationalism and progress for your next of kin? Dictatorial communism where everyone is suppressed and forced to do whatever is asked of them? Cuckunism like the Jews want?
>>76107067
So what happens when I refuse to share my property/means of production? Wouldn't it require a state to force me to comply?
>inb4 mob rule=/=state
>>76107220
Oh, I thought he was like, a kid. Give him a book by Richard Lynn. He's gonna hate it.
>>76107239
It's the truth, anon! How do you think people climb out of poverty, then?
>>76107263
He wouldn't produce more than he needs. He produce only as much as he needs. That's the whole point.
>>76107067
socialism=lack of everything
capitalism=too much of everything
i choose the last one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=newRbaPkkao
>09/16/1989 - Boris Yeltsin and a handful of Soviet companions made an unscheduled 20-minute visit to a Randall's Supermarket after touring the Johnson Space Center. Between trying free samples of cheese and produce and staring at the meat selections, Yeltsin roamed the aisles of Randall's nodding his head in amazement.
>>76107421
>How do you think people climb out of poverty, then?
Hard work and economic opportunity in a free market economy.
>>76106128
“The Bolshevist revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish brains, of Jewish dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose goal is to create a NEW ORDER IN THE WORLD. What was performed in so excellent a way in Russia, thanks to Jewish brains, and because of Jewish dissatisfaction, and by Jewish planning, shall also, through the same Jewish mental and physical forces, became a reality all over the world.” ~ The American Hebrew Sept. 10, 1920.
https://ia801703.us.archive.org/13/items/RussiaNo.11919--ACollectionOfReportsOnBolshevismInRussia1.ed./Russia_No.1_1919--A_Report_On_Bolshevism_In_Russia.pdf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eP18DvPFn9w
We mustn't forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish (Israeli Ynet News)
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html
Vladimir Putin said: "80 to 85% Jews in 1st Soviet Government." (When they set up the first commie government, out of the 545 commissars, 477 were Jews and most of the others were married to Jews.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6p1zxKnDeM
“Some call it Communism, I call it JUDAISM.” ~ Rabbi S. Wise, The American Bulletin, May 5, 1935. (Judaism is nothing but disguised, camouflaged Communism.)
>>76107421
>He produce only as much as he needs.
>trust me this will happen
>>76106508
Fucking Americans and their "eggs". The Soviet people have no need for such bourgeois trash!
>>76106128
Communism is incompatible with humankind. There are certain traits that humans can't get rid of, like greed.
>>76106128
It's a system based on "muh feels" that somehow requires people to go against the human nature of taking power and leadership, also requires infinite resources and expansion to function, and not all humans are equal, some are worth more than others
It will never work, and even on paper it doesn't look good
Also, I'm screen capping this thread because it shows just how /pol/ isn't some echo chamber/silences "non-far right" ideas. In fact, there haven't even been that many memes here. This just proves that when leftists claim /pol/ is a safe place they're just admitting that their ideas hold no value in the free market of ideas.
>>76106128
Communism is jewish. Into the oven it goes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNcERXGcpEY
>>76107512
The free market does nothing but oppress the poor. Poor people are beaten down while the rich elevate themselves.
>>76107330
Thanks m8.
He's 21, so he's basically at the apex of (((higher education))) influence.
>>76107544
KEK
>>76107421
Why not? Why doesn't everyone act in that capacity now?
Creating and selling private property (with currency of some form) is a pattern seen in literally every major civilization through history.
And even if I give your ridiculous argument credence, then is everyone responsible for each facet of their lives?
Everyone is responsible for their own homes, shoes, clothes, cars, etc? How could that possibly be sustainable?
>>76106128
>Capitalism has failed.
>>76107664
More people have been lifted out of poverty through capitalism than any other economic system in history.
>>76107664
You don't need communism to make a fair society.
>>76106128
Because not everyone can be so stupid.
>>76107664
I'm predominantly made up of Irish ancestry and I'm not surprised an Irishman would say this. In Ireland the work weeks are so leniant compared to America's work weeks. Ireland is lazy as fuck and is virtually a socialist state, they give too much to the people who don't work. I don't think you know what hard work is and that's why you want communism. You probably are just jealous of the intellectuals that work hard and earn their money in a legitimate way. Communists are always whiny faggots that think they're entitled to other people's money.
>>76106128
BETTER DEAD THAN RED
>>76107664
>When China was maoist million upon million of peeople died merely by economic MISMANAGEMENT
>When China implemented free market reforms HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of Chinese peasants were liberated from their poverty.
Which system is oppressing the poor, again?
>>76107952
Communism doesn't have a state so it's never been even remotely attempted
>>76106128
>Do you just hate the poor THAT much?
Yes
>>76108276
This is a bit of a meme response because when people talk about Communism and Communists they mean the systems which tried to create that status of a classless stateless society and not the actual classless stateless society itself.
>>76108077
>nationalism
a country can be nationalist on any political system even on republic, just look at usa
>>76108077
So Anarchy is the best?
>>76108276
Just as i said not everyone can be so stupid you should be proud you are "special".
You can't fullfill people with sports, bread lines and propaganda.
>>76107952
Nice argument there, buddy.
>>76108077
We don't live in a Socialist state. We live in an evil Capitalist one that benefits the rich.
That we were for 46 years an things went to shit for all of us.
>>76108197
i dont get it
he seems to know exactly what communism is but assumes I dont want it?
>>76108627
Well do i even need to argue?
venezuela is happening right now go there and hunt pets to survive while the police shoots teargas at you.
Its apparently your dream cmon do it you. Its failing right now .. again
>>76108737
It's actually Greece's fault.
>>76108197
That's a very hypothetical scenario. What will likely happen is that the workers will begin creating and keeping their own produce after we overthrow the higher-tier classes.
remember the 450 million killed by stalin
>>76108958
That's not what Communism is, though.
So, will we see Bernie Sanders?
>>76108276
Every attempt to implement communism has failed. Doesn't matter if 'true' communism is ok because every attempt to implement it will fail or otherwise derail
Marxfaggots never seem to grasp this fact
>>76109248
Yes every time it fails it suddenly stops being communism what a good way to look at it.
Delusions.
>>76106128
Yeah. thanks no. I had enough communism already and im not going back to it. Right now, only communists here are edgy kids who have zero knowledge of ecocomics and history.
>>76108958
From what I've heard, you run out of pets pretty fast when the supply chain breaks down. After that, you start to wonder if you have any trees or bushes that produce fruit that contains necessary nutrients so that you don't get sick and die.
>>76107421
how will more money fix it when
>no state or money
is a thing in your ideology?
>>76107512
Yeah, cause it's clearly worked out so well for you amerifats.
>>76108294
Ayn ran never did any of that shit either ?
>>76108958
country on the bottom was probably poor before anyway
>>76106559
>>76109621
ayn rand*
>>76106128
Is Ireland the new Leaf?
Every Irish post is just straight up garbage bait
are the SJWs using Ireland proxies now or are the Irish really this retarded
>>76106128
>What's your excuse for not being a Communist, /pol/?
A functioning brain and long history of being oppressed by the left.
>>76109533
I'm looking forward to getting out of NATO to be honest family.
>>76107766
yeah, no other system has had the opportunity. comparing hundreds of years of capitalism with 60 years of "communism" is bullshit
Reminder that Mikhail Bakunin was the only true leftist
>>76106128
Why?
Why should everyone be equal?
If Johnny Abbo only has the mental capacity to mop and sweep floors, why should he make as much as someone who manages a billion dollar company?
>>76106128
Im fucking my brains out to through an engineering degree to earn more.
No fucking way I'd do it if I was going to earn the same as a gardener.
Now fuck off and get a job.
Q: Why should a doctor make as much as a dishwasher?
A: He shouldn't.
>>76106128
Trust me, there is nothing good about Communism. I would know.
>>76109473
>Right now, only communists here are edgy kids who have zero knowledge of ecocomics and history.
Also former members of the party. You can tell how much it hurts them to smile, call themselves social-democrats and pretend they have souls.
>>76108276
Sorry that insulted you i kinda looked back what i wrote and damn if it wasnt over the top.
>>76106128
>Communism in the only way to provide equal amounts of goods and materials for everyone.
>>76106698
What was his name?
>>76110308
Tell them. There is no better teacher than one who has seen it.
>>76111240
Rockefeller and Rothschild mainly. But you can't stop at just one name. It takes a whole cult to get things done.
>>76108276
name my band
>>76106128
>Communism in the only way to provide equal amounts of goods and materials for everyone
Yes, equal amount of nothing.
>>76111528
The People's Democratic Busted Rotator Cuff Coalition
>>76106689
that looks like the guy from cheers
>>76106843
Stalin inspired nationalism through fear-mongering about a western capitalist threat, and homogenised society through force and collectivisation.
>>76111944
There was also little immigration because literally no one wanted to go there
>>76111528
The Westerners
>>76111528
Fags, nu-males, dykes and a literal fedora. Just your average commies.
>>76112025
>literally no one wanted to go there
Unpossible. Baal (aka Henry Luce) told us it was a brilliant place and that we should emulate it.
ps click here to renew your subscription to TIME magazine
>>76111528
reminds me of this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlOUE6yB6Jg
>>76106128
When you figure out a way to make sure that everyone produces an equal amount of goods and materials, then it would make sense to provide equal amounts. However, if some people produce more than others, to make your fantasy work, you will need to steal more from the nonproductive. In real life, income inequality is a good thing. If we said that everyone, regardless of occupation gets paid $40,000 per year, regardless of job type or whether someone even has a job, soon you would have no doctors or engineers or pharmacists...and soon after that, no one would work . They would just stay at home and do nothing, and collect the money. An even worse consequence would be that nothing would be produced, and there would be no food, or cars, or electricity available for sale. Everyone would starve. Communism should be more properly called "Killing the goose that laid the golden egg."
>>76106128
Why would you support a system that purges it's own members and civilians?
>>76106128
>>76106226
>>76106412
>>76106442
>>76106454
>>76106442
>>76106490
>>76106504
>>76106508
>>76106537
>>76112395
>>76112419
>>76112606
>>76112815
>>76112875
all non-communists are dykes and need to grow up. If you are still a capitalist you need to learn economics.
>>76112875
regime change, duh
Tsar Nicholas II was your cousin. It's just bantz.
>>76111528
do i even need to tell you guys that is a swedish banned behind them?
>>76113162
They should be banned.
>>76112993
>Implying someone who doesn't agree with your ideology is a dyke
Tolerant left strikes again
>>76112993
Not an argument
>>76108077
>>76112993
c'mon, leaf
be less obvious
>>76106636
He probably should have said real economics.
>>76106128
>Communism in the only way to provide equal amounts of goods and materials for everyone. Capitalism has failed.
Communism is a stateless (no government) society with a socialistic economy. If everyone's basic needs are met, no one is so desperate they are forces to turn to crime (Le Miserables).
There is more liberty, time and money for people to pursue their personal growth and happiness.
No state ever achieved true communism.
>>76113826
>communism is a stateless society
>>76112993
YOU need to learn economics. Real economics. Government is a parasite, produces nothing. Redistribution of income or assets only results in then being transferred from one person to another. Nothing is created. Printing money devalues it, so that printing money is, in effect, a tax on savings. Borrowing only transfers consumption from the present, into today. Please, tell us how YOU think economics works. You're just a typical brain damaged shitlord, who has never even taken eco 101, let alone acquired a degree, and risen to the level of being able to understand and critique the various schools of economic thought.
>>76108958
DELETE THIS.
DELETE THIS RIGHT NOW.
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>76114066
>communism is a stateless society
Right, it's supposed to be a stateless society. If it's not stateless, then it's not real communism.
Right wing retards who live in a constant state of fear need boogiemen like the specter of communism to make them shit their shorts when they hear the dog whistle, but realistically, real communism exists nowhere on Earth today.
>>76113374
Capitalism is not an "ideology".
Go back to Le Red dit at once.
>>76113826
>communism is a stateless society
>all goods are magically distributed fairly to all citizens and people will spontaneously take up jobs they don't want to do because the system needs them to
>>76113826
>assuming people are inherantly good
>>76114843
Because it cant. Its a utopian ideal that is incompatible with human , our brains have evolved to lookbfor ways to make tasks easier on ourselves. Capitalism is the milestone of that trait.
>>76114295
It wasnt meant as an insult to the people just to the politicans. Anyway how is the situation anything good on the horizont do you actually get foreign aid/food or something? I am kinda baffled by all of it to be honest. We get only the information the media tells us.
>>76106128
Reporting in, comrades!
This time communism will work!
Good night, white pride!
>>76115512
nope, no foreign aid, we are fairly stocked up ourselves though, so we aren't suffering as much as the lower classes, which are definitely struggling to find food.
>>76115829
>fairly stocked up ourselves though, so we aren't suffering as much as the lower classes, which are definitely struggling to find food.
The more people who read this the better. It's no joke when shit gets out of order.
Think about the Canadian fires. They knew what to do and took appropriate actions because they had planned ahead.
>>76115686
Good luck, cuck.
>>76106128
>capitalism has failed
>lives in a capitalist country
>posting on a website created in a capitalist country
>website on the interwebz, created because of capitalism
>>76116114
The poor family's diet is pretty much grains. that's it.
Everything else is either too expensive or near impossible to find.
>>76116225
>>76106128
how redpilled are commies regarding the hammer the sickle?
>muh agriculture
>muh industry
not quite.
the sickle is a symbol of harvest, indeed.
and harvest they did. souls. millions of them. through war and starvation.
a blood sacrifice for the blood gods.
>>76116520
>>76106128
>Capitalism is a failed system
>Implying that communism isn't
It always drives me crazy when people from the west complain about capitalism and think that communism is the answer. Listen, you retarded faggot, the only fucking reason I could read your stupid post is capitalism. There is a reason why eastern Europe is not communist anymore - because this fucking stupid utopia leads to nothing else but poverty. I hope you will get your revolution one day, so you can get buttfucked by it.
>>76116471
That's why we're supposed to have things like grain silos. That way if a bad year come around we still have something to eat.
Good time to get started growing your own stuff, if even to supplement nutrition.
>>76106128
>Do you just hate the poor THAT much?
I dont hate them,put inequality is the key of progress. If we want to prosper,some dindus may have to be poor,such is the price of progress.
>>76106128
i was born in a communist country, during communism.
stalinist socialism is the endgame. communism is a carrot on a stick to get ignorant kids enable jews to take total control.
>>76106636
>Marxist
>School
>of Economics
There are Communists at my University, debating them isn't worth the time. Every topic invariably leads to another, they use one aspect of Marxian economics to justify another and they tend to speak in ad hoc anecdotes.
I think there's a fundamental difference between the Nationalist and the Communist thought process. Nationalists argue that the combination of certain variables inevitably point to a Nationalist State being the most effective State. However, to be a Communist, you must first willingly accept Communism and then justify yourself after-the-fact. It's a product of intellectualism, not a product of reality.
>>76106537
america is not capitalist anymore. it's a hybrid of communism and corporatism.
>>76116653
Capitalism and communism are both Jewish and thus only serve the Jews.
>>76106800
>But the government must provide for the poor through social housing and welfare.
No
>The rich have too much.
There is never too much accumulation of capital. More capital accumulated=bigger inversions. That is how progress is really made. Through capitalization and inversion.
>If the government provided for the poor, then they could get back on their feet.
No. Society would just be poorer
>>76106128
I'm not quite edgy enough to support 2 billion people dying
>>76107835
Karl Liebknecht Wasn't Jewish,
>>76106128
Communism is anti-white
>>76106843
Counter argument: Jews
And no, it didn't. The Russians just failed to swamp the other states demographically.
>>76117541
Communism is really not much more than brainwashing. You can't debate with them because the basis of their thought process is emotional. That's intentional.
>>76106128
>Solving the problem of some people being poor by making everybody poor together
No thanks
>>76111528
Comrade Cuck and the Nu-Male Musical Collective
>>76106128
Im not a cuck
>>76106128
the poor are worse under communism than capatalism
>>76106128
Because I despise the
1. Abolition of private property
2. A heavy progressive income tax
3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance
4. Confiscation of property of all emigrants and rebels
5. no issue with this
6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of state
7. no issue
8. The vagueness of establishment of industrial armies and the means to get there
9. no issue
10. some issue
>>76106508
We tried but still didn't come close to communism's death toll
>>76117998
>>76106128
>i m le idiot who doesnt understand what the le socialist shit is based on
>>76106128
I´m not 14 anymore, therefore i can think.
>>76117681
>Germany
>20,946,000
>>76106412
America runs by the philosophy of negative-freedom.
All cat be good but it co-exists with all evil - regulated as much as people complain by a state that's constantly deported of power.
While transittion happened - it was a great freedom - for all old traditional families and humans that were already educated in another spirit and philosophy of freedom ( state and rulling elite should control what people think and how they behave - and teach them how to use their freedom )
- it was good until the new generation rose up - that educated itself from all the flashy, subliminal evil - and decided to exercise their negative-freedom mostly for evil...
It lead to homosexuals, sexual deviants, various dumb philosophical ideologies, resurrection of long dead cults - anything is possible because it's allowed - and evil has no end - it keeps degradation and consumes everything.
America is in cooking a new philosophy right now - things are just going on normally until the good ideas get inside the leaders head and they decide to apply - them just like all of them done..
Just pay attention to the most mainstream ideas and what the candidates talk about now.
>>76108077
>democracy,communism
>goverment
did you even read the dictionary definition of those three words?
>>76117878
No, the basis of capitalism is emotional - muh ipod, personal property = private property, you'll be rich too someday, etc. The basis of communism is rational; it's historical materialism!
>>76116471
Politicians really should get their priorities straight and ask for help already this is crazy.
i wonder what the real issue for these suits probably some foreign intervention fear -_-
>>76119562
Sounds like we agree about something, but I don't know if you've described the problem or the solution yet.
>>76117681
>keep population under 500 million in "perpetual balance with nature" (smokescreen to rationalize genocide)
>2 billion purged
>7 more remaining
you know what's happening now in the west is a prelude for another one of those. usa and eu will be the new ussr, and once they're done only a bunch of arabic/black muslim "proletariat" will remain to serve as a perpetual cattle underclass for the elites and high class rich assholes, who will become indentured servants to the jews.
>>76106927
>Why should some people have more than others?
some people work harder than others so they reap more rewards.
not sure why thats such an evil concept
>>76112993
>ad hominem
>not arguing the point
>appealing to authority
wew lad
>>76116520
and the hammer is for slavery?
>>76106128
>Communism in the only way to provide equal amounts of goods and materials for everyone
And why would I want that? If you want stuff, work and get it yourself
>>76121028
hammer is used on those who remain to crush them into a gray pulp like the borg collective.
>>76121355
ale chuje
>>76106128
Communism is a way for Chads to lord it over us betas/proletariat. The party leaders take the place of capitalist and nothing changes.
>>76121355
>fist symbol
BREAK THE POWER
RISE UP
WORKERS WILL SEIZE THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION
POWER TO THE PEOPLE
BLACK PEOPLE TAKE YOUR POWER BACK
FIGHT AGAINST THE MAN
It's basically for niggers, skin color unimportant.
>>76106128
>communism
Faggy little numales LARPing the days of Mao and the USSR in the eternal quest for edge.
Just go. move to North Korea and jerk off to das kapital
>>76109248
Damage control each time. But it failed cuz like colonialism mannnn.
>>76106636
yeah and they all fail read thomas sowells basic economics
>>76107544
FUCK EGGS
>>76106128
listen up ginger-potato you know nothing about commies. You fucking little shit , go die in a ditch
>>76106128
Why is everyone deserving of equal amounts of materials and funds?
>>76106128
>Communism in the only way to provide equal amounts of goods and materials for everyone
Yeah, equal poverty for everyone! (except the ruling class of course)
