If you were alive during the Soviet Union what do you remember about the everyday life?
Even if you weren't alive during the Soviet Union how were things after the collapse? I'm no retard, I'm guessing they were pretty bad. A political over hall like that is no easy task.
Also how did your older family members feel about the West after that?
Personal stories would be very cool.
I was born in the 90s, but my family lived in Poland during the entire communist period.
>long ass lines for everything
>everyone got an X amount of food per month, you would get tickets for X amount of beef, X amount of cigarettes, X amount of chocolate, etc (some people would trade cigarette tickets for chocolates ones and shit) [this was similar to the welfare system they use in the US]
>signed up for a list to get a car or home (this could take 10+ years)
>$20 was equivalent to a monthly wage
>jobs were easy, they literally couldn't fire you, so guys would be sitting around drinking beer
>atheist regime that spied on everyone
>people would go missing randomly, priests were beaten to death and whatnot
Communism is the reason why Eastern Europe is so behind today. It froze the entire half of the continent in time for 45+ years.
My family likes the US, but we still hate Russians and Germans. I've got some good first hand stories about WW2 where soldiers from both countries got BTFO'd if you're interested.
My parents say it was good times in general. They lived through all of it. Yea at times people were poor, little good food, but there was a great sense of community and belonging. They told me how on Christmas they were excited to get a few fruits like oranges because they were so rare
Imagine being happy even if you don't have everything in the world. In the West most people have luxuries but are still unhappy because of a fragmented society.
>>76029347
Also this.
>Imagine being happy even if you don't have everything in the world. In the West most people have luxuries but are still unhappy because of a fragmented society.
tbqh, almost nobody was allowed to leave the country, so nobody knew how poor we really were since there was no contact with the outside.
What country is your family from?
>>76029219
do go on fellow polack
>>76028472
Moscow was fucking White. They didn't allowed asian subhuman a to migrate to European parts or Russian settlements. Now Moscow has 5 millions asians out of 12 million population.
Born in 80s, Russian Far East (near Japan).
Worst time I remember was 1997, when retarded "democratic capitalists" fucked up everything and suddenly all money overnight became worthless.
Late USSR was okay here, you had to stay in lines to get some of rarer stuff, but our family got free apartment from state, so it had its benefits.
Father was working as second officer on trade vessel which was doing international routes, so we had plenly of foreign shit at home, including japanese auto, japanese fridge, japanese TV.
During collapse, nothing really changed for us, except flood of cheap foreign trash food like chokopai. We got our first home PC in early 1990s, I learned QuickBASIC and norton commander. Other only noticeable change after collapse was that we often had electricity/water blackouts because mayor of city was engaging in permanent war against governor of kray and both had feud with Moscow.
>>76029653
Italian soldiers were bro-tier. The only reason they were there was because they were forced. They saved some local guys more than once from the Germans.
>>76030121
>>76030275
I remember things coming from Russia were always low-quality, lol. The TV sets would randomly burst into flames, fridges would stop working, cars would constantly break down. They were the cheapest, so we had a lot of it, though.
>>76029219
I had a neighbor whose family fled from communist russia in the 70s or something. They were a very nice family, but apparently one day their son was wearing some che guevara shirt and came to visit my younger bro, and my mom started asking him questions about it and he basically just said the usual modern lib speak of revolutionary blah blah blah.
I was very disheartened when I heard that story.
1. how is it so easy to brainwash a kid who's family actually left a place because of the policies you support
2. how did his parents even allow him to wear that shirt in their presence? Maybe they didn't know who he was, but I doubt thats the case.
>>76030848
Some people made a lot of money off communism. Corrupted politicians, policemen, priests led good lives. A lot of our people here turn on their own countrymen to kiss up to the higher up communists in Russia. I wouldn't doubt your neighbors left in the 80s when things started going south for communism.
>>76030848
The 70's were quite good to be in a communist country with a leader Leonid Brezhnev
>>76028472
Probably the most deficit good during entire history of the USSR.
>>76029347
>They told me how on Christmas they were excited to get a few fruits like oranges because they were so rare
It's funny you mention that. My grama just died. She was 90 plus years old, but recently she told us about how on Christmas in the dustbowl 1930s depression one year she got an Orange.
This period had the hottest summers in the country's history, and they were suffering through the great depression.
What time period was it when your family got the fruits?
>>76030566
Similar story to my great grandma's, except that it was Czechs. They were kind and would bring treats for my grandma.
Soviets were drunk apes. Almost shot my great grandma for no reason, stole all of the shoes my great grandad was fixing, sold it in a town and bough vodka.
>>76030121
>Now Moscow has 5 millions asians out of 12 million population.
WTF no way that's true.....right?
>>76031106
Everybody was equally poor in USSR.
But whenever a Russian defends USSR "it was good until Gorby", I can clearly state that it is pure jealousy because somebody else has it better.
That's why Russians hate America.
Not because Americans want to destroy the world or allow Jewish degeneracy (these two can be countered) but because Americans simply have everything so much (that's why Russians call Americans "pindosi").
>>76031287
heh
Russians were cannon fodder. There's a mass grave of like 500 Russians in our area where they were mowed down by Germans.
>>76031589
How old are you? Did you grow up in the communist era? Just wondering, I was born in the late 1990s so I only have stories. :P
>>76031210
It really is an odd thing to me how quickly the soviet structure seemed to have collapsed.
I mean going from the top of the world to mid tier in like a decade seems pretty quick. Although, that might be how it was in past centuries but I wouldn't know
>>76031234
is that toilet paper?
>>76029219
das good tho. dem evil capitalists just waste food n stuff
>>76031287
>Soviets were drunk apes. Almost shot my great grandma for no reason, stole all of the shoes my great grandad was fixing, sold it in a town and bough vodka.
hey as far as most wars go, thats as good as it gets. your grama was lucky
>>76032009
Its because Germany destroyed our Economical, Industrial and Agricultural Sectors.
>>76032446
>Its because Germany destroyed our Economical, Industrial and Agricultural Sectors.
Is this the weakest bait I've ever seen or do some pinkos actually believe this?
>>76031966
Born 2 weeks before Russian troops moved out completely out of my country.
Have a lots of stories tho.
Grampa (RIP) viewed Soviet Russian rule as generally more positive because he had right connections to high ranking members of Central Comitee and his general "social status" was better than 95% percent of population. Worked along the Jews (even spoke Yiddish a little).
My dad created business during privatisation, my grampa lost about everything (he had a lot of obligation papers basically turn worthless and didn't know what was concept of "shares" in any way).
Great grandfather was exiled to Krasnoyarsk krai steepes after the war because he was better off than average (had some land, 2 story house).
My gr. grampa, grampa and dad are stubborn as hell. Me - not so much. Probably because I had my life given on a plate
>>76032695
I know most people don't want to hear it. But the War left the Soviet Union devastated, Josef Stalin insisting on Fixing Heavy industry at the expense of Agricultural and Consumer Goods was also not helping them.
>>76032208
Yes. A Soviet one.
>>76031589
The Jews can be equally as blamed for communist Soviets as they can america. That's a cop out for low lives of both sides.
>>76032967
> I had my life given on a plate
Same here.
>tfw first male in my family in ~100 years that didn't become a career soldier
>>76032974
The Soviet Union seemed to do well for like 30+years after the war though.
>>76032009
>It really is an odd thing to me how quickly the soviet structure seemed to have collapsed.
Gorbachev chickened out.
>>76029219
>born in the 90's
So you never actually experienced any of it personally.
>>76033802
That's only because we had no where is to go but Up. Once we hit Stagnation we were already doom.
>>76034002
I have firsthand stories and I grew up early enough to see the shitty commie systems being replaced by what we have today.
>>76033932
Did he have a choice though?
I mean it seemed pretty clear at the time that it was ending.
>>76032009
Concentrated push to destroy the country by US intel agencies.
It was a combination of the USSR's own fuckups with external pressure to fracture them as quickly as possible.
Probably the only way out of it would've been to start WWIII, which thankfully they didn't.
>>76034098
You seen nothing, youngling.
>>76034098
Sorry m8 I don't buy anything you say. The USSR didn't exist when you were born. "Born in the 90's" could very well mean 1999 as much as 1990, and you sure as fuck aren't remembering much of anything about the USSR whether you were 10, 5, or 3 years old because it no longer existed.
Experiencing a post-collapse society isn't the same thing as what the OP is asking about, and quite frankly I get massive jew vibes off you.
I went to an ultra lib school, and I majored in econ. But I seem to remember some story about how after the SU collapsed, basically everything they had tried to grow industry was AGAIN tried by the world bank to grow their industry after the SU collapsed.
So that the SU invested heavily in modern industrial plants. That works very well for a period of time(maybe we are seeing that with china, but they are also liberalizing industries so its sort of different). But once you invest that heavily in those manual labor industries to the point where they reach their peak they have no where else to go but down.
I have a feeling that is what happened. I also think China saw that the same scenario was knocking on their doorstep so they somewhat liberalized their industry.
Now if they did it enough is what we'll have to wait and see.....
Born Early 70 here. Small settlement.
Can share some stories if anyone interested.
>>76034707
go for it
>>76034534
kiedy się urodziłeś, dziadziu?
>>76034707
That's what this whole thread is for bruh
>>76034542
I mentioned in the first post I was post after communism collapsed, but my parents grew up in the 70s/80s
>I get massive jew vibes off you.
kek what
Did any of you russkibros dad's fight in Afghanistan?
>>76034707
please do
>>76033598
>tfw about to become first male in ~100+ years who wasn't conscripted into the army (grampa was deployed in Karelia, dad - in Uzbekistan <<avoided Afghan war tho>>.
>Draft letter from Military Comissariate last week. My ass belongs to the Army since September for 9 months.
>tfw
>>76031234
i had heard stories about the asswipe having chunks of wood in it but i never believed it
>>76035107
On what basis do you guys get drafted? I have a friend in Vilnius that is 20 and his brother is 25 and only the older brother was drafted earlier this year (he was part of that 30,000 draft, I think).
>>76035073
I would also like to know this.
>>76035073
My dad served during that time but managed to somehow barely avoid being deployed there. From very early on the whole war was viewed as a shitshow.
>>76034707
One part of family(mother side) were typical peasants. Grandpa(rip, I remember kissing his dead body on funeral) had a farm that oldest son get. I sometimes help them with work. Hard work but satisfying. Other son get part of the land in other village. After i was born family my parents live there. We have well and every deep underground stone cellar.
My mother worked as accountant for a big cooperative national farm. They have plenty of land, machine park and they help local small farmers with work. It all go to shit when privatization hit(after fall of PRL).
My father was simple worker. Drink a lot. Jealous as fuck. Not good combination as you can guess.
His father moved to Silesia after II WW and get a postGerman farm as a land grant. Worked for a Party. As far as I know he was kicked from it for a funds theft. Grandma(resettled from Vilnus) was in Peasant Party and in traditional culture music band.
Continue?
>>76028472
You are retarded
>>76028472
>>76035154
I dunno about chunks of wood in the asswipe, but bread made with sawdust is a known fact. Or eating pig hooves as meat product. Or sausages stuffed with shredded paper.
>>76035713
Go on Polack.
>grandma died of cancer working with the soviets in poland as a scientist
>family friend """disappears""" while trying to write an article about how the soviets were too stupid at the time to wear lead while blasting the room they were in with X-rays
>grandma had to stay in rooms with X-ray machines on all day without wearing protective gear
My parents only had one more complaint about soviet poland
>stand in line for 10 hours
>maybe get some bread
Now one from my dads side
>illegally fishing in a river
>police arrest him and throw his fish back in
>police confiscated his net
>his father comes to the police station with vodka
>wins a drinking game against his friend, the police chief
>police chief lets my dad go and gives back his nets for about a $50 bribe
My parents had cars and shit too, I don't know what the struggle was with getting cars desu
>>76035713
pls explain your toilet trip polan
>>76028472
more
>>76035713
Yes please Ziomku moj
also i have a Polak friend who said his dad got arrested for going into East Germany during these times, could you tell me why that was prohibited?
>>76028472
and finaly
>>76035797
>but bread made with sawdust is a known fact
Was this Leningrad. Because I could go up in my attic for my grandmothers Diary?
>>76032974
This. People don't realize how obliterated Russia was after WWII and it is honestly shocking that USSR still managed to be superpower afterwards, considering how much of Western Soviet Union was destroyed
t. Russian
>>76035838
Also there was another issue that I didn't address from my dads side
>around the age of 12 his father becomes an alcoholic
>my dad ends up having to man the farm with some help from his brother
>>76035107
I've had the same feeling for most of my adult life
>my great grampa fought in WWI
>my grampa fought in WWII
>my dad was smart and enlisted early as an engineer so he didn't have to fight, but was still involved in Vietnam
>me. I sit at home after working in my offiice for 8 hours and maybe think about jerking off
(don't care about my moms side like any real man)
I'm 27 now. I really wish I would have joined the armed forces for something at this point. I think I'm getting towards the end of my usefulness but honestly I only started wanting to do my family name good within the past few years.
>>76035713
One Aunt was regular going to USSR to trade amber, dollars for gold and other stuff. They build pretty big nice house and have plenty of land. Uncle have a two cars(syrenka and warsaw) which was pretty big for the time. Now he is dead. His dead beat son get everything and spend it for weed and alcohol. I get plenty of small military themed books, pocket size(the tiger series) about 2 world war. I think about 2 hundreds. They rot somewhere.
Was born in 1965. In 1982 I got admitted to diplomatic academy - German and French department. Graduated in 1986 (earlier than supposed to), because I joined KGB on second year. I got placed in counter-intelligence directorate and year later I was sent to Dresden. There I worked until unification. After collapse of the Union, I worked with variety of private companies and later on opened up security company and private investigation companies across ex Soviet territories. Life was pretty good for me.
>>76035942
I got stories to share if anyone cares. Just ask me question and I'll respond, got WWII stories and all that.
>>76036207
Did you ever meet Putin in Dresden?
>>76036204
>I get plenty of small military themed books, pocket size(the tiger series) about 2 world war. I think about 2 hundreds. They rot somewhere.
My nigger, I have few lying around too.
>>76035424
Basis - lottery/randomly generated.
And they draft 3000, not 30000 (30000 participate in lottery, 3000 get their asses drawn to barracks).
>>76035713
>postGerman farm as a land grant
Od razu mi się przypomniał ten film.
Poprawiła się sytuacja w Polsce? Wyjechałem z rodziną (w 2005 r.), ale chciałbym kiedyś wrócić.
>>76036255
hacelo gringo
>>76036477
>>76028472
read the gulag archipelago by solzhenitsyn
>>76035841
It was rare goods.
Seriously you have limit how much you can buy. Rations. You can get more when you collect and bring papers and stuff. so you need to be handy or have collections to get it.
>>76035857
Well. Hard to tell for what your friend dad get arrested. maybe he try to fuck under-age Merkel? First he could not go if he got no passport. So if he cross illegal then sure he got arrested. If he got passport than mean he have some connections or plain work for Party(or his work was connected to some Party). So he must fuck up somewhat.
>>76036477
Hard to tell. Plenty people leave so situation get better but prices get higher and there is plenty of Ukrainians working now and bringing work market down. Drivers, builders,workers etc. But after PiS get back into power there were sudden shift in media. less fearmorgering and blaming, less Police provocations etc.
>>76035838
>>illegally fishing in a river
>police arrest him and throw his fish back in
>police confiscated his net
>his father comes to the police station with vodka
>wins a drinking game against his friend, the police chief
>police chief lets my dad go and gives back his nets for about a $50 bribe
sounds like good old fashioned southern hospitality.
the first part is horrible, but at least you had a nice back end.
>>76036288
Yes. Twice a week minimum. That makes my life really good now.
>>76036204
I spend my childhood as poor as fuck kiddo. We have no running water(well only), and I lived in wooden small house.
My mother get a apartment in sovietblock. My sister bought recently one with her husband(and they credit for 30 years to pay for that).
Sure you need to wait for your own place but you were not in debt for half a year.
>>76036944
Story time?
>>76036794
Did you do conscription in these times ? Got any stories about that?
Ask questions guys. I won't write my life here.
>persecuted church
It was hardly persecuted if any. Party members taking part in church activity and nobody even blink at that.
>>76035942
The soviet plan to industrialize was the same as the Chinese and nazis. It would have only lasted a short period of time.once you reach a certain point manufacturing just doesn't cut it in a modern world. Unless you want to be shit tier
>>76037050
>We have no running water(well only), and I lived in wooden small house.
My great-grandparents lived like that, but then they moved to the city.
I lived in those commiebloks as a kid, it was tight but comfy.
What city do you live in?
>>76037284
You are my dad's age, so I'm interested to find out things he doesn't have time to talk about. :P Are you still a practicing Catholic?
>>76035788
>based mustache
>>76037263
I was studying. So didn't serve. Some of my friends serve and tell me typical story about doing boring tasks, running with rifles and drinking alcohol.
But I can tell funny story about my Uncle(my father younger brother). One part of family lived near the Belarus border and second in Silesia(uncle). Uncle was in school then and suddenly MP knock the door and arrest him for deserting.
Story was that another uncle(the same name but older and from other part of of country) decide to go to visit his wife when drunk in service and MP look for him there.
>>76037637
Fuckin polaks, you guys never change. Cheers to you lad.
>>76037477
This was a small commie block in village in Poland B. We have 2 big like on picture and w2 small in whole village(rest was
normal housing). Pretty comfy.
I spend some time on Silesia and they have great school there much better than one I was going to. I study in Bialystok tho.
>>76037619
Nope. Church is important but I kinda can't treat this serious.
>>76036204
>His dead beat son get everything and spend it for weed and alcohol.
see dan balzariahn. and people think wealth automatically means your ancensors will be the proletariat's of the new generation.
Pro tip. The average person is fucking retarded.
>>76028472
I remember my town having telephone booths and soda water machines all over the city. And after communism collapse they were all brocken apart, painted with words, ripped. It's like humans turned into animals and we became Africa overnight.
I also remeber standing in lines for stuff like sugar and oil. How commies managed to fuck up even basic necessities I will never understand, they were doing fine all these years before collapse. Fucking Gorbachov.
>>76037919
>I study in Bialystok tho
Nice. We moved here from near Rzeszów.
>can't treat this serious.
Ah, that sucks. Hope everything works out for you, man.
>>76037166
Can't say much, apart from that Vladimir is a down to earth person and ladies man.
>>76037941
They were rich but it was kinda fucked. There were some rumours. Like aunt disagree with his girlfriend choice or something. Its rather clear that he have grudge against her. He fuck off to UK and work there for some time but come back with no money.
>post scarcity probably kill humanity faster than nuclear war
is cuba part of the soviet state?
>>76028472
I remember traktor
>>76036207
Obviously I don't believe you but what do you have to say about based yuri? I mean not only did he rip on old communist culture he tore apart modern leftist western culture.
he seems pretty based to me
>>76038139
Reformators failed at transition. You got freedoms you didn't deserve. Rights are not egalitarian.
>>76028472
I remember kurwa.
>>76038166
I mean I want to believe. But its not working.
I was dating a girl who was heavy into Church stuff. I go to few meetings.
It was full of cheap tricks that I must admit would leave me impressed if I didn't know how it work. And I see people who fall in trance or something. Kinda amusing but i hardly could stop laughter. But songs and atmosphere of old churches is great.
I see some modern churches in UK and they>
have no soul.
>76038139
Yeah I too remember waiting for sugar. 2kg for a adult 1kg for a child.
>>76031501
>Doubting Russia is anything but a bastion of degeneracy
You didn't seriously think Putin cared about the white race, did you?
>>76037050
This is very important to me.
I never ruin threads by saying poo in the loo.
but in all that time you thought you were poor did you ever imagine shitting in the street?
I'm being very serious here.
For all the crap this board gets for being antis emetic, the average indian poster gets at least 10X the garbageposts
I just want to know in all honesty how a modern western nation dealt with abject poverty.
>>76038265
To believe or not believe is up to you, we are on anonymous forum of very weird origin after all. Statistically speaking it's highly probable, since almost 19 million Soviet citizens were involved with KGB. Bezmenov is not lying when he said that Soviet government financed and assisted some disruptive political groups.
>>76029558
Probably China :^)
>>76038935
>but in all that time you thought you were poor did you ever imagine shitting in the street?
You'd get arrested for that. There were "public toilets" everywhere, some of them are just wooden huts with wooden floor with hole in it, linked to shit canister underneath, but at least you could have some privacy there and it doesn't smell outside.
>>76038584
>It was full of cheap tricks
What types of tricks did you see? I'm 20 and have attended church my whole life, but have seen priests only offer the mass. :)
>>76028472
One of my friends is dating a girl from Ukraine.
She is gorgeous and traditional as fuck.
I mean, she dresses like a normal girl.
She drinks, goes to parties, all the normie stuff.
But you can just tell in her attitude, that she is shy, traditional and loyal, like all proper women used to be. And she is a ballet dancer, to boot.
Your culture is based.
>>76038935
In my grampas native village, people do poo in "sartyr", not on the streets.
>>76038237
I don't know what your post is supposed to mean.
something about post scarcity
Well let me tell you something brother. That ain't happening anytime soon
>>76028472
My mum lived in communist Poland, and she has told me stories about lining up for hours just to get a roll of toilet paper. She still has coupons for bread, soap, etc. Literally half of the card was for vodka though lol
>>76039492
Also my grandfather was jailed as a political prisoner and kicked out of the country 10 years later.
>>76039201
It was some special meetings.
Like songs song on two or three voices, book reading with echo, turning lights off and whispers in the dark etc. Simple tricks but rather nice.
>>76038935
We have a WC outside behind a animal shelter. Small shed with place to sit and shit and paper. >>76039139 Like this guy write there were plenty of public WC.
>>76038958
>since almost 19 million Soviet citizens were involved with KGB
please stop bombarding me with information.
Is that true? If that is true than the CIA must also be on that level.
fugggggg
future solviet state reporting
>>76039492
LIDL opened their stores in Lithuania 2 days ago.
Like genetically programmed, people were standing in queues like in Soviet times.
I hope that LIDL's appearance in Lithuania will force other major supermarkets to lower prices what "cauliflowergate" boycott couldn't do.
>>76039676
>Like songs song on two or three voices, book reading with echo, turning lights off and whispers in the dark etc. Simple tricks but rather nice.
Never heard of this stuff happening in a Catholic church, lol. Are you sure it wasn't some protestant church crap?
>>76039388
True.
>implying it ever happen
>>76039492
The point that she still have it mean that they not need it that much.
The country was sabotaged and destabilized by CIA mostly. They used Church as a tool to distribute money. Shortage in goods caused strikes and that caused shortage in goods. Both sides use provocations to make it bloody - Security to have pretext to crush it and show that they have force and CIA to cause more riots and strikes. And then they strike deal and Party get rich on national wealth when people get nothing.
>>76040123
It was not regular mass. I told you it was special meetings. there is even now few movements in Polish catholic Church. Some borderline to sects.
>>76038878
Well Putin and Russia are all about white Russia, why else would they give away basically free land.
In all honesty there are so many 10s of millions of chinks knocking on the eastern door of russia that they better do all they can to get whites over there.
There are literally more Chinks who live in the frigid north of China than canucks who live in the less frigid cold of candada.
let that sink in a while
>>76040264
probably those leftist priests at it again
i go to seminary in a pretty conservative area, but there are some that are protestant-tier ones where they might do the crap you mentioned
how would you say Catholicism is doing overall in Poland?
>>76040658
Nah. We don't have leftist priests here. If so more nationalist. It was meetings for young people with young priest.
Hierarchy is corrupted as always. Its really mostly tradition. But Church its definitely stronger than in the West. Crisis on West actually make it much stronger. Ah and current pope is no my pope.
eastern europe should dominate this discussion.
If you know you are a western european you should be embarrassed for yourself
>>76039830
>true than the CIA must also be on that level.
No
There isnt benefits, KGB officers were respected in SU
>>76039830
There were KGB spies not only among citizens in Soviet Union but also in other Eastern Bloc countries as well.
And the general society in Soviet Union was of "stukachis" (like when you do something not according to the State's policy, you can be turned in to KGB by your neighbour).
Soviet Union was really a Socialist Police state, where freedoms of speech were not valid after you say something.
>>76041285
Atleast it had order and some moral
>>76041285
Yeah I know that. I also expected the CIA to dominate that Shiite
DESU i thought those baltic blocs would be like 90% of my responses, but fug.......
>>76030121
is that the guy who created Tetris on the left
>>76040939
That's good, I guess. A lot of Polish priests move here to the east coast. I attend a Polish mass and there's a noticeable difference from the American priests (Polish are traditional versus American leftists).
>>76041676
get ready cuz here I come
>>76041488
>Homo Sovieticus
>"We are pretending to work, they are pretending to pay"; "Everything belongs to kolkhoz, everything belongs to me" morality.
>Drinking yourself to stupor to escape wonders of Soviet Socialism
>Government propaganda as moral compass.
There was no order and no morality in Soviet Union nor anywhere in the Communist world.
>>76035788
Yagoda is hardly mentioned because he was purged and most American schools hardly go into the details of the USSR other than "communism is bad mmkay." Also, the Holodomor didn't kill seven million. The Holodomor was only part of a larger pattern of famine in 1932-33, and some estimates place the total death toll at under 7 million.
>>76035886
His private opinions weren't so clear. He had several Jewish doctors murdered in 1952.
Also, synagogues were torn down alongside churches. I've never heard of an actual death penalty for antisemitism in the USSR.
>>76031234
Wjat is up with commies and the lack of toilet paper? That is also very scarce in Venezuela right now, it's like pottery I guess.
>>76042685
Socialism, I guess.
How do you expect governmental planning comitee to know exactly how many times do you poo in the loo and how much of toilet paper do you use to wipe yer butt?
>>76042685
Yes I always wondered this as well.
As a child they always told us "in Russia they don't even have toilet paper" - I thought it was propaganda & not true
But oddly, it seems to be true... In socialist countries there ends up a shortage of toilet paper... Why?
>>76043104
Most basic consumer goods become scarce in communist societies. Communism aims to provide for the "common man" by artificially setting the prices of these goods really low, most of the time lower than it costs to produce them.
The end result is that private producers would rather not produce at a loss, and state producers get theirs stolen to sell at the black market for 1000% profit.
>>76043505
>"state producers get theirs stolen to sell at the black market for 1000% profit."
Basically you explained how "blat" system worked in Soviet Union.
>>76042934
>How do you expect governmental planning comitee to know exactly how many times do you poo in the loo and how much of toilet paper do you use to wipe yer butt?
This is one of the built in flaws of a planned economy, and it is very hard to make leftists understand why it is like that.
>>76043505
they basically kill all the incentive to produce any of these goods, because profit is "evil".
I have family who visited the USSR several times in the 60s and 70s. They were mostly in Leningrad. They said that much of the city itself was absolutely beautiful and that there was lots of classical architecture and cultural activity available to everyone, but that the residential areas looked rather meager compared to back home (rural New England).
Thoughts?
>>76043505
>Communism aims to provide for the "common man" by artificially setting the prices of these goods really low, most of the time lower than it costs to produce them.
That would be irrelevant in a communist society since the government owns and makes "profit" from producing the goods.
>The end result is that private producers would rather not produce at a loss, and state producers get theirs stolen to sell at the black market for 1000% profit.
There are no private producers in communism or at least not supposed to be.
USSR had multiple problems, Russia was very corrupt even before the revolution which ruins any planning so
>state producers get theirs stolen to sell at the black market for 1000% profit.
And since there was a Cold War the production was more focused on military goods rather than consumer goods which lead to scarcity of basic goods such as toilet paper.
>>76044091
But you can't just magically conjure a perfect communist society, you must pass through a transition period, this is where things go south and millions die generally.
>>76044039
>Visited CCCP.
What they have seen was tip of an iceberg.
You have to live for years to understand what is it like to be in a socialist dysfunctionalism.
>>76044386
Yes that is the problem. Communism is not a perfect utopia and neither is capitalism or any other economic system we have right now, however it is important to study all available ideas to see the benefits and the problems with each one. The problem is that everyone on /pol/ who supposedly believe in free speech refuse to discuss things seriously and just recur to muh dank memes.
I highly doubt Russia would have done much better after being destroyed by 2 World Wars if it was capitalistic if it did not receive any US help to rebuild after WWII(which was proposed but refused for political reasons afaik).
>>76044557
It is irrelevant if Russia is communistic or capitalistic. As long as you are part of their empire you will stay poor to keep the empire alive because geography.
>>76044091
Could you name a successful Socialist/Communist country?
>inb4 Nordic countries.
They are market economies not socialist/communist ones.
>>76029219
im interested in the ww 2 stories
>>76044829
The capitalist mode of production for all its problems reconstructed and lifted up western Europe, Japan and Worst Korea, while also disputing a arms race; so yeah if Russia had been capitalist all along they would be a bit better off.
>>76044922
>Poor because geography.
Poor because economical system and the ones who were running it in Moscow or anywhere Socialist/Communist party has power.
How come East Germany be so poor if they're basically one country and one people, just divided between Western capitalism and Socialism/Communism.
>>76044922
Also these two.
How come one is famous for Samsung, Hyundai, KIA and the other for mass starvation, concentration camps and slave labour?
>>76044557
When is that map from? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've read that times during the peak of the Soviet Bloc were in some ways better than the 1990s and later years.
I have to sleep now , waking up early tommorrow; it had to be a leaf to defend socialism didn't it? top kuck
>>76045718
image created by power usage statistics; not readily available from NK.
>>76044932
Communist societies were backed by Russia, the empire collapsed, propped up countries collapsed.
>>76045162
US capital lifted up Europe, Russia would have taken decades to rebuild correctly after WW2 (without trying to rush industrialization and ruining everything else in the process), time it did not have because a war with the US was possible. The US on the other hand was unaffected by the war.
>>76045378
East Germany was under Russian control, it did what Russia told it to do. Historically all a huge part of the resources of the Russian Tsardom/Empire/USSR/whatever else were spent to maintain its large territory. If it stopped supporting the cities in the far east and focused on developing its western territories it probably would have been much richer but would have lost the land because you cannot really hold land without having any population present there.
>>76045718
North Korea was doing better than South Korea while USSR was supporting it. Also North Korea has shit land but whatever.
As I told you once the USSR collapsed all of its foreign allies did as well.
>>76046015
Gomrade Gorbyn, this photo was taken from International Space Station.
>>76045868
And somehow I am defending socialism while trying to explain to you how geopolitics work.
This is exactly what I was saying >>76044829
>The problem is that everyone on /pol/ who supposedly believe in free speech refuse to discuss things seriously and just recur to muh dank memes.
>kuckkuckkuckkuck
>>76046152
>Developing lands in the Far East.
Oh yeah, my great grandfather also developed lands there in Krasnoyarsk krai... by working 12 hours a day cutting trees but not before his property in home country confiscated and distributed to the "poor and needy".
God, I wish I could could strangle you for any more posts whitewashing Socialism/Communism
>>76046989
You Baltics bring it on yourself.
>fight against white for commies
>then fight commies
>wonder why commies see them as not trustworthy
But it was common tactic used by Soviets. It sound great on paper.
Resettling untrustworthy population form borders and crucial areas when they can cause trouble to isolated and underdeveloped areas in back when they are easy to control and work for glory of Union.
Things is local commies steal tools, food, clothes(actually everything) from deported population so people land in foreign land with bare hands and many die in transport.
I bet it was your grandpa Lithuanian Neighbour who sold him.
>>76046989
You are literally supporting my argument.
The situation during Imperial Russia was similar if not almost exactly the same.
>Strong central government to prevent dissent from regions (expensive and inefficient)
>Strong army to defend extremely large territory (expensive)
>Strong security apparatus to keep population in check and prevent dissent (expensive)
>Poor common population because you have to maintain all of the above.
Russia has operated like that for centuries because of necessity be it during communism or capitalism. Find me an exception.
>>76045718
There's a very interesting explanation for the supposed nationwide blackout in the DPRK. They have electricity but conserve it by shutting lights off at night. Those photos are taken at night.
>>76036141
Join the reserves or NG.
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neo-liberal shock therapy thrashed the nation into a worse depression than the "great" american one; it was the rise of insanely wealthy young oligarchs and a complete free for all between bandits, veterans, cops and generals that guaranteed the primary inheritor states of the USSR would lag so badly behind the west. the USSR stopped building communism after the death of stalin and was then run by inert octogenarians espousing generic authoritarian state capitalism, but they are not to blame for the salt poured into the wound by gorbachev. the average soviet citizen was experiencing great increases in standards of living in two eras: the 30's and the 60-70's. in the latter the quality of living was comparable to weaker american satellites or neutral countries like spain or greece and at that point the gulag was virtually entirely an ordinary prison system
lithuanians, latvians, estonians, polish, west ukrainians, they wanted to leave, so be it. apart from them, the soviet people voted overwhelmingly to preserve the union in the one true democratic poll ever taken in their country. just look at any islamic republic. womens rights have taken a massive slide back, dictators as bad as kim jong un but friendly to the USA are everywhere, and people in these places see the dissolution of the USSR as a mistake overwhelmingly. Russia has bounced back in the last decade and a half while most of the former USSR stagnates: their cheap labor floods in like the mexicans flock north but russia no longer has any obligation to invest in their home countries.
it is the baltics that jump for joy at any sign of suffering from their former brethren, it's the poles and banderites that can't stop crying about katyn but completely ignore their own mass anti-semitic graves and the CIA black sites they host- fuck them. the germans, japanese, even finns are all respectable, they have legitimate grudges with the communists but at least they don't go into emotional hysterics about the USSR.
>>76045850
No they weren't, the russian economy collapsed completely in the 90's.
>>76048213
Yeah, no, this is wrong. The Commies were worse in every way. There were precedents and parallels, but in every xase the Commues were worse. When Lenin was sent to Siberia, he was given a cabin and allowed to own a shotgun. When Yezhov sent people to Siberia, the conditions were somewhat different.
>>76048366
So they burn electricity during the day?
>>76028472
Born in '93 Lithuania. Few years after the collapse but growing up I heard plenty of stories of how "it was all better with CCCP" etc., and witnessed the aftermath of it first hand. There are people still today who claim that it was better, everybody had jobs (you were imprisoned if you didn't), everybody was paid well (but there was literally nothing to buy so people bought anything they could, hence homes full of worthless crap), people expressing opinions disappearing, working hard for the benefit of yourself was prohibited, everybody was supposed to be equal and being equal meant nobody having anything and so on and so forth, I trust other anons to elaborate further.
But from what I saw myself growing up I'd rather kill myself than go under Russian rule. Hordes of drunk asocial people crowding around kiosks, trash literally everywhere, pollution in every lake and river, someone working hard and earning a good wage was (and sometimes still is) seen as a capitalist thief benefiting from the common people. But I don't blame them, people were conditioned into thinking that anyone more wealthy is automatically a thief. I could go on but my breakfast is ready.
