Is communism an excuse for all of Eastern Europe being a shithole or are they really not white?
>>75998832
Not only that. Balkans have been conquered by the Ottomans, the PLC was partitioned by three states. Those regions were exempt from any development policy
Despite the ottomans we were quite the booming little country up until ww I ended. We kinda recovered, but never had the same national spirit. Aaand after WW II 45 years of communism sealed the deal.
>>75998832
we got fucked pretty hard, but we also lack the will to recover
>>75999255
Conquered because they're subhumans or just bad luck?
>>76000577
Bad luck, no matter how good you are at fighting, theres always a billion roaches.
>>75998832
Well, if it wasn't for the west's plan for destroying Yugoslavia, you'd have a successful socialist state today. But muh nationalism
V4 and Baltic states live on roughly the same level as Poortugal and Greece now (we earn less but shit is cheaper here). It wasn't like this in 1989, we started catching up after we got rid of communism.
>>75998832
Yes it is. Former Soviet Bloc countries (especially Estonia) had higher GDP per capita than southern European countries (Spain, Italy, Greece) and similar GDP per capita to Ireland in 1938.
>>76000577
having muslim neighbours is always a bad luck :^)
>>76000876
>not being a proud serb and instead liking Cuckoslavia
wew
>>75998832
>being white =not being a shithole
its a coincidence and we will have proof of this soon enough
>>76000876
>west destroyed Shittoslavia
wew lad
>>75998832
Polish visiting germanistan
You westerns dont umderstand communism. The Power of Marx degeneracy is stronger than any drug, and leaves marks for Generations. But we're coming slowly to a Renaissance while the west is dying so i guess thats nice.
>>75998832
East Europe is still better then all of Africa, 90 percent of south america, Asia and the non oil rich middle east
>>75998832
Those countries also sustained more damage during World War II and never had any colonies
>>75998832
Eastern Europe is only a shit hole if compared to the west
Look at most of asia or africa if you want to see a shit hole
>>76000577
>Conquered because they're subhumans or just bad luck?
Well Poland was conquered only 800+ years after its existence, so I guess its complicated
It has a lot to do with the fact that CEE states are small in comparison with the german and ruthenian area
and they lack allies
>>75998832
Most of "ex" soviets are not white. Russians are pale. The whole soviet systems still feeds from our pockets, blaming us for communism, where they`ve ruled over us.
Most ex communist countries existed between super powers so they were passed around like a coked up altar boy in a priest convention.
Even during times when they weren't being actively ass-fucked by super powers they spent their energies fighting each other.
>>75998832
Unlike west germany, they didn't hace a chance to become competitive in the market and instead they got assraped by foreign exports
>>76002105
We had colonies.
>>75998832
>baltics
>shithole
>>76001066
HHAHAHA
Source??
>>75998832
eastern germany is poorer to this day...
>>76003687
Before the commies ruined Latvia for ever, we had the 10th best economy in 1939. We were literally Norway tier.
>>75998832
Their only real hope would have been some kind of unification, more often than not they were just buffers between more powerful countries.
>>75999586
>>76000066
I will fix it, brothers!
>>76003882
> when we robbed Russians we had money
> Russians are responsible for communism
>>76003565
> we also credit ourselves for Russian and Prussian buildings
reference pattern
>>76003882
>1938
>spain in the middle of a civil war that would leave the country absolutely devastated for more than 20 years
>still better than poortugal
Alberto Barbosa strikes again
>>76004718
>robbed Russians
Note our GDP at 1922 and then at 1938. Are you implying that we were "robbing" you all that time? Also, how is your econ doing now that there are no more hard working, honest people to send to your mines, Ivan?
>>75998832
yes russia is the only reason why we are like this today and they should pay reparation also the cockroaches are guilty too but russians are the main reason
>Ukraine
>1 Point
>>75998832
We're subhuman & not white. That is why we're underdeveloped.
>>75998832
Of course we're not white, whites are cucks.
>>76003687
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Committee_of_the_Communist_International
This. This people gave away thousands of metric tonnes of gold, gems and less expensive Russian resources to them, because they where the ones, who basically organized commie rule in Russia with their own hands.
That`s all their GDP. When Russians work - they eat. When Russians starve they prosper, because their people in soviet government sell food, while starving out Russians and give the money to their state.
But maybe im lying? Pribaltic states world-famous for their industry, culture, food and other stuff, that you can sell - right?
Some of us are already getting ahead of southern euro countries like Portugal and Greece.
>>76000577
> bad luck
We weakened ourselves with the Hundred Years' War 1337–1453 and the (more brutal due to gun power) Thirty Years' War 1618–1621.
After 1621, it took almost 100 years to recover the population and economy. In 1683, the muslim Turks even sieged Vienna, which means they conquered the Balkans decades before.
Learn some war history, or stay a nigger
Hungary is not a shithole fuck off you uneducated snobby potatonigger.
>>76005348
> Are you implying that we were "robbing" you all that time?
Up this day. What`s different today really? Your people like Alsknis are still in power in Russia. Your president is a full-fledged commie ("somewhy" Russian-hating).
>>76006436
> Thirty Years' War 1618–1621
typo, 1618–1648
>>76006444
it is
>>76006088
Slavs aren't white, the rich ones act like arabs (spending on fast cars and shisha) and the poor ones act like niggers (cans of beer and benson and hedges all over the ground the day after a night out)
And I'm a slav myself but let's be honest here lads, enough of this cucking ourselves trying to convince Jean-Paul that we're white and start embracing slavic culture
>>76006433
Per capita. Because you drink windwasher and die out faster, than EU-welfare rates are indexated.
>>76004718
>russian buildings
You mean those god awfull commieblocks you left here?
>we stole from russians
Check the graph again, delusional autist.
>>76006208
Holy shit you are utterly delusional.
>>76006444
>>76006444
austrian colonial architecture doesn't cunt you doublegypsy
>>76006658
> let's be honest here lads
Ok, let`s be. You are fucking kike or polack (anglo servant), both ways you are not slav. And this is the end of story.
>>76006633
>still planning you dream vacation to Hungary?.Soon gipsy, soon you'll have enough gipsybucks
>>76006444
Oh, come on, it's been 26 years since the end of communism.
People are guilty for most of their life, with exceptions, of course.
For some point of view, all the eastern and central european countries began at the same level in 1990, now it's a big difference between them, but that's because their fiscal policies (low taxes), fast-bureaucracy-papers, not increasing wages before the elections or in any time if it's not sustinable and with increased efficiency (I'm talking about the public sector), absorbing "free" EU money to smart investments (roads and railways) and so on.
So, yes, the communism is over for 25-26 years already, but again, people made the difference.
>>76006717
Oh come on Vlad you know very well who the demographic in Estonia is that is putting us ahead in alcoholism and aids. 92% of all HIV positives in Estonia are Russian.
It's all concentrated in a single county. Tbh I wouldn't even mind if you did a crimea on it so you have to deal with the cancer you created.
>>76006749
> You mean those god awfull commieblocks you left here?
It`s commie buildings, created for you by your nation`s leaders. Eat it.
> Check the graph again
Deep denial on the graph. Again. Reference pattern specimen.
>>76006780
Deep denial on this graph too. Again - reference pattern.
>>76006990
>So, yes, the communism is over for 25-26 years already, but again, people made the difference.
not so much bro, a lot of politicians are ex-communists or descend from powerful communist families in eastern and southeastern europe
>>76006990
yeah, as long gipsies rule the country, they will steal, and they arent stealing from the rich, they are stealing from the common man
>>76006882
so what you dirty arab?
>>76007119
No, we do not know.
But we know, that estonia along with other priebaltics does not publish maps on this factors. EU had to make their own research, because your commie government was ultimately uncooperative.
>>76006208
I am not really familiar with production approach when calculating GDP, but I am pretty certain "manufactured" does not equal total economic output.
>>76006433
Also this.
>>76007359
>gypsy callin an arab dirty
>>76007213
Yes, you are right. But what's worse is that the younger generation of politicians (30-45 y) don't seem to get things on the RIGHT way.
I mean, it's very simple to reduce taxes, to digitize all the bureaucratic system, pay all your taxes - request all your papers through an online account and so on.
>>76007220
That's because the laws are stupid made, especially the GUN laws.. Even if police arrests them, so what, they stay in prison 6-12 months more or less, get out, and make the same bad things as usual.
We must NOT buy flowers from gypsies!!! Or those barbershops near them.
>>76007880
im talking about whiter gipsies with pure romanian thinking ruling the country like johannis and his kind, u faggot
>>76007763
That`s relative tho. Remember - there was no private property in USSR. All you pay is tax. All you earn is paid by state.
So Russians and Belo-Russians manufactured stuff. You ate it.
Also. Lithuania had it`s own national communist party. Russians had none. And we where ruled by the counsil of all the communist parties + communist party of whole USSR (i.e. jews).
>>76007801
you having that picture proves that you're a romanian gipsy leeching on the tasty teets of french social system
Communism was Gods plan to save us from the Great Flood.
>>76007790
You realize those EU contributions make up ~1,5% of Estonian GDP, 3,25% of Latvian GDP and 3,33% of Lithuanian GDP. Right?
>>75998832
Ask poland. These faggots know more about how was life in belarus before 1772.
>>75998832
Turks and communism.
Eastern Europe is a shithole thanks to communism
Greece is an even bigger shithole thanks to turks
and the balkans is the worst shithole because of a deadly combination of both.
>>76009158
And Russia and Germany
>>75998832
Yes. Poland would be at least Spain or Italy tier today if not for the fuckin communist scum.
>>75998832
Ignore out of region posters. Eastern Europe and Balkans never had a golden age. People were always diverse and can't get their shit together. There are some exceptional countries like Czechs, Hungarians and Poles, but that's all.
>>76000876
>socialist
>successful
>>76000577
In our case it was feudalism being feudalism
>>76000876
bullshit, it was made to fall apart simply by having "constituent peoples" instead of just one nationality allowed
>>76008447
Not completely true, people had their own (de facto) private property, especially in rural areas. And even if it is relative, manufacturing does not include service sector, ar does not include agricultural produce by definition.
I have seen your retarded narrative in the other thread. You really think we couldn't have done the same thing without your "help"? Again, as far as agricultural produce it was Baltic states who produced livestock and Ukrainians who produced crops. And certainly produced surplus, which was exported to Russia.
So, as far as food is concerned, actually it was other way around. We produced and you ate it.
As far as capital investment is concerned, we could have done it without you, don't you worry. We enjoyed one of the fastest GDP growth rates in Europe in interwar period and again in 2000s.
So fuck off to your steppe and come back when your brain is clear of RT bullshit.
>>75998832
Communism destroyed their development, resources and souls for a century.
Czechs and slovenes are doing well I think
Bigger countries have more poverty
>>76010247
I see that you included Poland but eastern Europe had its golden age. The Polish showed literaly the French how to poo in loo.
>>76010139
Spain is a good cobtrol to examine: under Franco they thrived. They produced automobiles! As soon as the socialists grabbed power back they became EuroMexico.
>>76010247
Eastern Europe had multiple apogees before your goat sex cult existed.
>>76010672
Not quite picky about that, I might have included Romanians as well, but yeah, Poles (and Lithuanians) had some good moments, but I'll say this; language and customs change literally when you travel 100 km's in any direction. That's why that region never had a chance to prosper.
>euros who are pruds of their countries
>americans who are proud of their states
you keep talking about a huge land area of which you most likely know nothing about. as a croat, i've in my 29 years seen maybe one third of my country and croatia is tiny as fuck. french people probably don't know shit about france and americans sure as shit don't k now anything about america.
the only thing we can reasonably discuss are cities. and i love my city. i know it like the back of my hand and right now it's fucking summer so i'm getting ready to fuck fuck jap girls and swim in the ocean.
do you like your city, /pol/?
>>76006444
yeah, indeed, Hungary is booming
>>76010672
>The Polish showed literaly the French how to poo in loo
This was most likely copied from Italy. Just like cutlery
>>76010901
The Multi kulti in Poland wasnt actualy that bad. Everybody stayed in their regions. Countries were improving by having wars away from home. Like you in the Balkans and british french iberians in the colonies. While Poland was fighting with every neighbours.
>>76011396
Keeping the population occupied is the key for the empires. Whenever there was stagnation, there were revolts in anatolia. Petty warlords arise everywhere (also due to feudalism). We have chapters of anatolian revolts between european and persian incursions.
Why are russians literally brain dead?
>>75998832
Communism - the solution to economic problems in the future. Equal distribution of food, clothing and things is the future of the world, which will suffer from a shortage of minerals. People are greedy. Greed destroyed communism and led to a new cold war.
>>76012832
Communism destroyed communism
>>76012957
No, USA destroyed communism.
>>76013042
Ivan i know it was cool to be a dangerous country. But you know deep inside that it almost destroyed Russia.
>>76013042
Nope. KGB supposedly "killed" communism or "surrendered". This is just NEP 2.0.
>>76013042
Even though it is a beautiful meme for burgers to believe, it is untrue:
>https://mises.org/library/economics-behind-fall-berlin-wall
>>76013042
communism is the worst thing that happened to mankind
>>76000876
shut the fuck up commie
>>76008447
WE
WUZ
FEEDERS
'N'
SHIT
Nigga, my great-grandfather was exiled to Krsanoyarsk steppe for have 30 ha of land, 2-story house, 5 cows and some domestic birds.
He spent 7 fucking years in that desolate shithole for having a little more than average.
When he got back, the house was "divided" as communal home. He had to leave the native village because all lands were taken by the kolkhoz and all opportunities were ruined as most of the property was divided to bootlickers of local kolkhoz chairman.
>>76006436
No need to get upset
>>76014937
People lived a Lot better during SFRY, admit it, cuck
