>(CNSNews.com) --No “major” hurricane--defined as a Category 3 or above--has made landfall on the continental United States since 2005, according to records compiled by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's (NOAA) Hurricane Research Division.
>That is the longest stretch of time the United States has gone without a Category 3 or above hurricane striking somewhere on the mainland of the country, according to NOAA hurricane records going back to 1851.
>http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/kathleen-brown/noaa-says-its-record-no-major-hurricane-has-struck-us-mainland-10-years
you hear that global warming faithful? longest stretch without a major hurricane since 1851. i thought you told us global warming would increase the frequency and severity of hurricanes? OOPS.
pretty funny that whenever we get a record hot day or a big snowfall the MSM is quick to point it out as an example of global warming. seems like they forgot to mention we're in a RECORD dry spell for hurricanes though. lying by omission, like always!
REMINDER THAT GLOBAL WARMING IS A HOAX
for the truth
>global warming
>meanwhile, climate has been constant for 10 years with no warming
>>75974175
He also claimed that in 10 years water level will rise by 5(? or 10, can't remember exactly but a number he took out of his ass) meters globaly.
>>75975824
are you fucking retarded? The temperature IS going up.
>>75976376
nothing in that movie turned out to be true. whenever i bring it up in a debate people just dismiss it as the science back then being off. but apparently im supposed to believe that the science isnt off now?
>>75977569
source?
>>75974175
>did we say more hurricanes? We meant less..... Yeah that's it
>>75977569
because El Niño
El Niño also gave us a fucking tornado outbreak
>>75977569
Its been constant for the last 10 years.
>>75977569
That's because its summer retard
>>75977961
Theres sun coming up here at about 7am.
You can't explain that you climate change denier
>>75974175
>literally copy and pastes that the longest stretch is from 2005
>OP says its from 1851
I don't care about global warming but shit you have a reading skills of a two year old
>>75978171
Not sure if you're ironically shit posting or just plain retarded.
>>75978171
What? It says records started in 1851
>>75978171
2005 to present is the longest stretch without a CAT 3+ hurricane since 1851. what did i get wrong here?
>>75978094
BECAUSE OF THE POSITION OF EARTH'S ORBIT TO THE SUN DURING THIS PERIOD. AKA SUMMER YOU FUCKING SEAHORSE
>>75978451
#triggered
YES
Get to ask this question before the thread becomes a shit storm.
Ok, so can someone explain to me why the hell would Global Warning be beneficial to lie about?
What do the Jews benefit from convincing everyone that the world is heating up due to our pollution?
I never entirely understood why they would go through the trouble of exaggerating or outright making up a lie about the state of our environment.
So what's the point guys, what do they really want out of this?
>>75974175
Kek has heard our prayers and is saving all the energy for a big one. This is the calm before the storm, lads.
>>75978171
>>75978327
>>75978366
>>75978398
OK, let me rephrase.
>longest stretch without a CAT 3+ hurricane in recorded history.
>>75978451
>>75978596
You can use all the scientific mumbo-jumbo you want.
How do you explain tides then mr. Scientist, tide goes in, tide goes out , hwo does that happen ha
>>75977729
>>75977878
>>75977957
>>75977961
wow... really makes you think
Why do deniers never read up on facts?
>>75978631
Tax co2 emissions? Scientists who want government funding?
>>75978983
>uncited graph
>facts
>>75978983
nobody is denying that the temperature is rising. the question is whether it is man made or not. the scientists told us global warming was caused by people. the scientists also told us global warming would increase the frequency and severity of hurricanes.
they were wrong about the hurricanes so that increases the likelihood that they're wrong about the warming trend being man made.
>>75979171
LOL :D
Its basic knowledge if you've finished school :D
https://alumni.stanford.edu/get/page/magazine/article/?article_id=29902
>>75979171
No worse than all the charts /pol/ pulls out of its ass.
Climate change is very sensitive to the sun, But with carbon emissions? Not so much.
In the end of the day, Global warming is a useful idiot we can use to push nuclear and end poo in loo tier coal power.
>>75979329
People literally denied it in this thread.
Otherwise I agree with you.
>>75977961
BTFO
>>75979525
This. Fossil fuel has gotta go either way.
>>75979543
>People literally denied it in this thread.
that dude was saying temperature has been steady in the last 10 years and i dont think he's wrong.
you should have told him the overall trend is up.
think you guys were just talking past each other.
>>75979987
What politician is even trying to push toward nuclear though?
>>75979675
>Fossil fuel has gotta go either way.
fossil fuel WILL go either way. it's a finite resource. let's explore alternative forms of energy because we will eventually run out of oil. not because some bogus theory that we're cooking ourselves alive.
>>75974175
I have a coworker whose biggest issue is "climate change". He claims it's this horrible thing that is absolutely true. I tell him that we have went up very marginal numbers over several years, and since we've only been able to accurately measure temperature for less than 100 years, the data set we are basing global warming off of isn't enough to come to a conclusion.
Also the fact that every single conclusion that has been reached so far about the climate has been wrong, like that it was first an ice age, then global warming, now they've settled on "climate change" since they realized it's bullshit and it's easier to not look so stupid by claiming it's hour and we get record snowfall.
I personally believe because our scientists still cannot accurately predict weather a couple days in the future with 100% accuracy, why should I believe that they can predict weather 10s of years in the future when every prediction, every model, every conclusion, every absolute "fact", every time they've been wrong?
>>75980371
>I personally believe because our scientists still cannot accurately predict weather a couple days in the future with 100% accuracy,
haha i use this argument all the time too. the weatherman cant even tell me with 100% certainty if it's going to rain so how the hell are they making this projection WITH THE ENTIRE CLIMATE OF THE EARTH
>>75978631
Their enemy (see-Arab countries) has most of the world's oil supply and it's making mad shekels off of it.
Also see
>>75978999
Regarding taxation of carbon emissions and government funding for studies and research.
>>75980371
also, yea first it was
>global dimming
the theory that the earth was going to freeze, then
>global warming
the theory that the earth is overheating, and now just
>climate change
because nobody can argue against a changing climate
>>75979833
Steady? Meaning what?
Also even if that's true why have temperatures increased so much over the last 100 years?
Why have the 10 warmest years in the 134-year record all have occurred since 2000
>>75980647
The Weathermen are still quite accurate for the most part, no?
>>75980802
>Regarding taxation of carbon emissions and government funding for studies and research
Ok so they'll make jew gold from the emissions, but what studies would exaggerating/lying about global warming help fund? Or what studies are not being funded because not enough people accept Global Warming.
>>75980371
>I personally believe because our scientists still cannot accurately predict weather a couple days in the future with 100% accuracy
You don't have to believe that, it's 100% fact that we are not fully accurate yet.
>>75980908
>Also even if that's true why have temperatures increased so much over the last 100 years?
.6°C over 100 years is not something I'd consider as "so much". Plus whose to say that data from 75+ years ago is even accurate considering inferior technology?
>Why have the 10 warmest years in the 134-year record all have occurred since 2000?
Have you considered that the fact we've been in an El Nino now for a while would contribute to that? This is also the same reason the desert, I mean commiefornia, has been in a drought.
>>75981622
>22
>>75981307
>You don't have to believe that, it's 100% fact that we are not fully accurate yet.
So then why should I believe that there is any merit behind current climate science, especially considering almost every conclusion that has been reached has been incorrect?
>>75978940
I sense some dense ass trolling but alas i see the flag symbolizing a cry for help of a geographical fucktard
>>75981711
>11
>>75981762
>So then why should I believe that there is any merit behind current climate science, especially considering almost every conclusion that has been reached has been incorrect?
You shouldn't believe it.
From the looks of it, you're right.
So that's why I've been asking, what is the gain, what's the grand plan with spreading this lie?
>>75980908
>Also even if that's true why have temperatures increased so much over the last 100 years?
because that's just how climate moves. check out some graphs that go back thousands of years. there are massive shifts in temperature up and down. sometimes over periods as short as 5 years.
>The Weathermen are still quite accurate for the most part, no?
i mean, they're ballpark accurate. i have yet to see a weather report that tells me the exact time it's going to rain at my exact location. you might think that's too much to ask but really it's not if we also want to rely on their predictions for the overall climate of the earth and being able to say that without a doubt the earth is warming because of humans.
>>75981553
California has been in a drought long before this el nino, lad.
Although, it is despicable how they're using the freak weather it's caused to push global warming dooms day propaganda.
>>75974175
>No “major” hurricane--defined as a Category 3 or above--has made landfall on the continental United States since 2005
So sharks in Manhattan was a dream ?
>>75974175
>not realizing earth is a system of chaos /thread
>>75981307
>Ok so they'll make jew gold from the emissions, but what studies would exaggerating/lying about global warming help fund? Or what studies are not being funded because not enough people accept Global Warming.
That's the point, almost all climate change studies are getting funded. Really the biggest thing though is the emissions tax.
>>75981798
NOT AN ARGUMENT
Mars and most of its moons are getting colder since they are still in an Ice Age. Meanwhile Earth is the only planet in the solar system with its temperature getting hotter while we should still be a cool planet since we are still in an Ice Age. Global warming is real fuck head.
>>75981553
Sweet. Good point.
>>75981890
How about the increase of carbon? Isn't that going to create long term affects.
What is a more reasonable explanation for the earths warming other than "the climate moves" what is making it move? aren't humans influencing that?
>>75982056
So it's just a massive money boost for the government?
No way. They wouldn't go through such an elaborate and over decade long campaign just to get some extra tax money that would go to welfare anyway.
There's definitely something much bigger they would gain.
The holohoax makes a lot more sense than this.
what is that shit they keep repeating about "warmest recorded year in history"? i keep hearing the last years have all been, "the warmest in history", each year hotter than the last
>>75981859
>So that's why I've been asking, what is the gain, what's the grand plan with spreading this lie?
i saw an interview with milo on joe rogan where milo said global warming was a hoax. he said he was working with like an NGO at the time the global warming hoax was being put together. he said it was scientists and environmental activists putting together the global warming theory because they believed they were saving the planet. they also believed that the ends justified the means. that if they had to lie to save the planet then that was alright with them.
>>75974175
>since 2005
Yep. Don't I remember.
>>75974175
>since 2005
What is Hurricane Sandy...
>>75974175
DENIER DENIER DENIER
DENIER
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t. 99% of "climate" """scientists""" with a BA in environmental studies, and liberal politicians
as we all know, real scientists throw a tantrum and start a witch hunt when their made up computer models are questioned
>>75981859
i think it's to create a global threat, just like terrorism, and unite everyone under a world government to combat this threat
"the world has to unite in facing this challenge" and shit like that
>>75982208
>planets millions of miles in difference to their positions to the sun with completely different atmosphere and geological activity have a different temperatures than earth
m8...
>>75982458
a CAT1 you fucking imbecile
>>75982056
>EPA/Obama/Old Congress-mandated mixing of ethanol into gasoline costs taxpayers $1.78 dollars per gallon in terms of tax credits.
>the US made 18 billion gallons of ethanol fuel last year
https://www.cbo.gov/publication/21444?index=11477
>if we abolish or reduce the tax credits, our market will be flooded by cheap south-american sugarcane ethanol
WAKE ME UP
>>75981859
Taking/acquiring shekels through regulation of petro producing countries, taxation of emissions, funding of pet companies/corporations for the production of green energy, funding of science/studies of climate change, acquiring votes from uneducated single issues populace, federal acquisition of private land for conservation or green energy projects, etc. I sure I can think of more.
>>75982169
>UUUU
>>75982349
So it's just like that comic, where I think some dude proves that global warming was bullshit and some guy in the crowd says something like "SO YOU MEAN WE IMPROVED THE PLANET FOR NOTHING?!".
What a weak sentiment.
>>75982056
>Really the biggest thing though is the emissions tax.
This. Both governments and oil companies stand to make a boatload of money from carbon taxes and cap-and-trade.
Especially oil companies, who receive massive carbon credits under cap-and-trade schemes. For them, it's then simply a matter of throttling back production, which has the salutary effect of raising the price of oil, and then selling the excess credits to actually productive businesses for even more profit.
They all realized this about 15 years ago and have started dumping money into climate research. Some of the funniest Climategate emails were from noble climate researchers discussing colleagues who were getting Shell money and how to get themselves a slice of the pie.
>>75982536
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Sandy
>>75982240
>How about the increase of carbon? Isn't that going to create long term affects.
yes and no. increasing carbon follows a log function in relation to temperature. that is carbon only retains heat up until a certain level. you can get to a level of carbon in the atmosphere where additional carbon will not retain additional heat. hope that makes sense. i can explain further if i wasnt clear enough.
>What is a more reasonable explanation for the earths warming other than "the climate moves" what is making it move? aren't humans influencing that?
honestly i dont think there is another reasonable explanation. if there is one thing we can all agree on is that the climate has been in CONSTANT flux for the entire history of the earth. if anything it would be MOST UNUSUAL for the climate to remain in stasis for an extended period of time. i.e. it has to either go up or down and we happen to be witnessing an up trend.
>>75981961
>The convection diminished while the hurricane accelerated toward the New Jersey coast, and the hurricane was no longer tropical by 2100 UTC on October 29. About 2 1/2 hours later, Sandy made landfall near Brigantine, New Jersey, with winds of 80 mph (130 km/h).
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Sandy
That is barely a Category 1. I've gone out to get breakfast in a Cat 2; northerners are pussies.
>>75981961
Sandy was a Category 2. Or as we call it in Florida "hey y'all its fuckin' rainy out ain't it?"
Jew York is just nearly on sea-level and has done zero preparations for tropical storms despite being a major coastal city.
>>75982240
>How about the increase of carbon? Isn't that going to create long term affects?
That's the point, we don't know anything about the side affects of the increase in carbon, or c02. Every claim they've made thus far has been "inconclusive".
>>75982813
I stand corrected
guess it was only a Cat 1 in Jersey
>>75980312
Methane hydrates are the future. There are 2-3 times more Methane hydrates in the world than all other forms of fossil fuels put together.
>>75974175
Isn't that somehow related to El Niño cycles?
>>75974175
>mfw earth hasn't seen carbon emissions this massive since the last mass extinction
>mfw greenhouse effect is scientific fact
It's not even an argument. It's not a hoax. We are the problem. We dump the carbon and it has no where to go.
>>75982870
How far are we from that limit? How much can the temperature increase if it hits its max?
>>75983324
Finaly a burger with a brain!
>>75974175
Last I checked all scientists said is that it would increase the likelihood of catastrophes, not just on the US. And indeed that is the case, just not on the US.
At any rate global warming exists the real questions are:
>Is the manmade effect negligible ?
>is it possible to stop it or control it?
>Isn't better to just adapt?
No true scientist will say that "we NEED to do A or B to deal with global warming" because they are aware this is a new situation for humanity, too many variables, they simply can predict correctly.
>>75974175
Al Gore invested heavily in alternative energy scam companies and then tried to push the global warming hype and how we need to switch to technology he invested in. The scam artist invested early then hyped up global warming hoping to profit. He's just basically a low life pump hype up and dump scam artist, too bad it did pan out for him. In 13yrs the piece of shit went from being worth 1.7m to 200m, it wasn't from his global warming investment portfolio but from Apple and Current tv though, if he somehow did hype up his global warming portfolio successfully, he would have been worth billions.
>>75977569
It's going up, but here's the shocking truth, it goes down too!!! TOTAL MADNESS! Sound the alarm! We need to set up thermostats and control the temperature around the world! We need to invest trillions to do this or else we're all gonna die!
>>75978789
Praise Kek, the one and only. Kek will protect the righteous.
>>75978983
Was the data compiled the same way all the way from 1880 to 2000+? How did they gauge temps then and how do they now? Did they use some funky guesstimation work for some data like they always do to fit their agenda? Oh never mind, your graph doesn't have a source, so basically its as good right now as a finger painting a retard drew with crayons.
>>75979525
>>75979675
Fossil fuel has to go, but nuke power has been demonized greatly by the global warming hoax crowd.
>>75981784
praise kek praise KEK!
>>75982992
I live on the coast, Long Island, but guess what, there's a bulkhead in my backyard and a french drain system in my basement, while a lot of other assholes flooded in their bullshit houses during Sandy, mine was untouched, and what did all that bullshit cost me? $50,000. The power did go out, but see, I had a generator and even battery backup just in case I did flood, a few had french drains and pumps, but no backup power, so some of them got jerked.
>>75983324
>>75983443
>heat retentive properties of c02 follow a logarithmic function
>a logarithmic function
more c02 does not equal more heat
>>75983324
>>75983375
Carbon dioxide has a logarithmic cap on how much of a greenhouse effect it has. I think I read that if we upped the co2 concentration to it's MAXIMUM effectiveness, it'd only increase it's overall greenhouse effect on the planet by 5%.
However, I discussed this with a university climatologist. He said before co2 even reaches near those levels, the Earth's ecosystem, according to geological records, seems to like to make a "drastic reset" and overcorrects in the opposite direction. Things such as a gigantic algae bloom and other c02 absorption methods tripping us into another cold spike before returning to normal.
Are guidos still crying about fucking superstorm Sandy? That was nothing compared to what we used to get in Florida. A cat 3 went through my neighborhood and I was eating cookies while listening to tornadoes tear up our trees.
>>75984244
Thanks for the info
and how much impact would that 5% be? I'm sure it must have some sort of significant impact, right?
>However, I discussed this with a university climatologist. He said before co2 even reaches near those levels, the Earth's ecosystem, according to geological records, seems to like to make a "drastic reset" and overcorrects in the opposite direction. Things such as a gigantic algae bloom and other c02 absorption methods tripping us into another cold spike before returning to normal.
So you believe things will reverse if it becomes too shit?
>>75983375
here's a good chart
https://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/heating_effect_of_co2.png
we're at 400ppm c02 in our atmosphere currently. we are already well above the level where additional c02 contributes to temperature according to a linear function. we could double the c02 in the atmosphere at this point and it would barely contribute to a temperature increase.
>>75984357
Like I said, moved out east on Long Island on the coast from nyc proper, first thing that crossed my mind was what if a super storm comes floods the whole place up, I prepared and spent 40k to protect my home from flooding and built it to withstand high winds, a lot of people prepared in the area, but did it in a half ass way. I don't know that 40k came in handy when my bulkhead stopped all water from making my backyard a 3ft+ swimming pool.
>>75984053
>retard, the comment
>>75986030
embarrassed that you've been duped? your failure to argument suggests so.
2 mistakes:
1- No hurricane doesn't mean no global warming, this is still a short period of time
2- Temperatures don't rise as much because precautions are taken to prevent it
Also, you are taking what scientists say to deny what scientists say, which was only prevented because scientists said something in the beginning.
>>75986030
At least explain why you think he's wrong. Fuck off.
>>75986212
>>75986379
Have you heard of the greenhouse effect?
Climate Change doesn't have anything to do with weather. It refers to.. you know.. climate. Which is not the same thing as weather.
Also, what happens in the mainland U.S. doesn't dictate whether or not anthropogenic climate change is a thing. You guys do realize that there's a whole big world out there, right? And that we aren't even one of the countries that are most susceptible to the effects of climate change? You really have to look to the developing countries to see the full impact it's having on the world today.
Could someone answer me a simple question? Why is it called global warming/climate change when people are basically talking about pollution which everyone knows is bad?
>>75986483
Don't mix environment and climate
>>75986436
Yes. What's your point?
>>75986483
Global warming/climate change is about more than just that. It's about extreme weather events, rising water levels and more.
>>75974175
OP is as usual full of shit.
Mark Twain said "Figures don't lie but liars figure".
>Hurricane Sandy (unofficially known as "Superstorm Sandy") was the deadliest and most destructive hurricane of the 2012 Atlantic hurricane season, and the second-costliest hurricane in United States history. Classified as the eighteenth named storm, tenth hurricane and second major hurricane of the year, Sandy was a Category 3 storm at its peak intensity when it made landfall in Cuba.[1] While it was a Category 2 storm off the coast of the Northeastern United States, the storm became the largest Atlantic hurricane on record (as measured by diameter, with winds spanning 1,100 miles (1,800 km)).[3][4] Estimates as of 2015 assessed damage to have been about $75 billion (2012 USD), a total surpassed only by Hurricane Katrina.[5] At least 233 people were killed along the path of the storm in eight countries.[2][6]
Mean while there will be record breaking heat waves all over the usa this coming summer
Yep no such thing as global warming....
>>75986475
Have an example of Climate changes effects on developing countries?
>>75986625
Obviously.... But according to everyone's gripe fixing the pollution issue would dramatically reduce the rate of climate change and isn't really refutable making it the better argument
>>75986816
Somewhere somehow in the US, yes there will be, see how that works buddy?
>>75974175
After a 2 second fact check it turns out that the number of "major" hurricanes is still normal it's just that they haven't made landfall.
Wow who could have guessed.
(the second to last column is "major" hurricanes)
>>75986625
see this >>75984053
>more c02 does not equal more heat
more co2 means more heat because of greenhouse effect.
>>75986483
It is easier to label global warming as a conspiracy than pollution because you know, we see pollution but global warming has long term effects
>>75986854
I agree that pollution is a real problem and people should be focusing on that.
Climate Change/Global Warming has a more catastrophic feel to it though, since it's referring to the entire climate and implies affects to the global atmosphere and shit like that
>>75986929
And here's the number of named storms.
See that trend?
>>75986436
yup, and in terms of potency c02 is just barely a greenhouse gas. global warming is a hoax. read the thread and learn something.
>>75974175
Neither side understands climate =/= weather
>>75986852
Sierra Leone is an excellent example.
http://www.sl.undp.org/content/sierraleone/en/home/presscenter/articles/2015/07/23/climate-change-might-undermine-decades-of-development-gains-sierra-leone-addresses-impact-of-climate-change.html
>>75987146
Climate affects weather.
A change in climate means a change in weather.
>>75987067
People have already explained in this thread why this isn't something to be too worried about.
Read >>75984244
Carbon dioxide has a logarithmic cap on how much of a greenhouse effect it has. I think I read that if we upped the co2 concentration to it's MAXIMUM effectiveness, it'd only increase it's overall greenhouse effect on the planet by 5%.
However, I discussed this with a university climatologist. He said before co2 even reaches near those levels, the Earth's ecosystem, according to geological records, seems to like to make a "drastic reset" and overcorrects in the opposite direction. Things such as a gigantic algae bloom and other c02 absorption methods tripping us into another cold spike before returning to normal.
>>75986816
Leaves will burn before the weather gets too hot. Of course the well paid South African fire fighters are sure to save you.
Muh Coal industry
>>75980371
>still cannot accurately predict weather a couple days in the future with 100% accuracy
Prophecy is a pillar of all religion. Ironically, sometimes the more they fail, the more they are reinforced.
>>75987191
What evidence is there to suggest that this climate change has happened because of what mankind has done?
Do you really think manmade climate change has created implications so big that it's creating huge issues?
>>75979384
>https://alumni.stanford.edu/get/page/magazine/article/?article_id=29902
your sources leads to a website that does not exist
>http://www.globalwarmingart.com/
>>75986929
>turns out that the number of "major" hurricanes is still normal it's just that they haven't made landfall.
b-b-but i thought global warming was supposed to INCREASE the frequency and severity of hurricanes? guess not, huh? let's just focus on the migratory patterns of birds as proof of global warming instead.
>>75986929
Can you explain what this table is trying to show? Is it saying that there is less major hurricanes in the most recent period?
>>75987742
See
>>75987098
I knew one of you was going to say that.
>>75987716
was bait
>>75987121
>implying to know science
you do realiize even 1 degree change in global temperature would fuck so many things up right?
CO2 acts as a thermostat on earth, if you fuck it up(which is actually happening according to data) you'll get fucked up
Stop using pseudoscience to try to prove your point
>>75987548
The scientific consensus is that climate change is real and is resulting from the actions of man.
http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/8/2/024024
>>75978631
>Ok, so can someone explain to me why the hell would Global Warning be beneficial to lie about?
>What do the Jews benefit from convincing everyone that the world is heating up due to our pollution?
1. Invest in "green energy"
2. Convince people that global warming
3. Pass laws directing public funds to green energy
4. Sell stock for 10x what you bought it for
It doesn't really have to be more complicated than that.
>>75987820
your chart shows basically 1 outLIAR.
>>75987918
Are the waters in the Aegean rising brother? Will Fethiye sink brother?
>>75987791
The period around katrina was exceptionally high. We hadn't had a season like that since the 1950s and there are no real trends with "major" hurricanes (especially when you arbitrarily select only hose that randomly make landfall)
The number of storms created in general is much easier to see a trend in >>75987098
compared to pic related.
>>75987191
>whites once again spending fucktons of money to save niggers
>>75988018
The average given by the same statistics is 11.7 per season
http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/tcfaq/E11.html
Since 2000 every season but 2 has been wildly above average.
You're not very good at spotting trends.
>>75988024
the meme that global warming is a hoax is a hoax made up by oil patrons to preserve and further build up their fortune.
Don't be dumb puppets.
>>75987918
>you do realiize even 1 degree change in global temperature would fuck so many things up right?
you think the temperature hasnt been jumping up and down several degrees for the past, i dont know, entire history of earth? it would be more unusual for the climate to be in stasis. everyone resorts to name calling when the facts arent on their side.
>>75987962
Well, how else are going to fight the coming Ice age?
>>75987918
Give me an example of where when temperatures have risen but 1 degree and awful things have happened because of it.
>>75987962
Okay Bernie.
>>75988346
Do you have anything to contribute to the discussion, or are you just here to shitpost?
>>75988255
not more than 1 degrees for the modern man.
when it does, mass extinctions happen.
>>75988170
>im talking hurricanes
>you're talking named storms
ok, you successfully shifted the goalposts on me. getting back on topic, number of hurricanes is still below average. the facts ARE NOT on your side.
>>75988395
>Okay Bernie.
Thanks for your contribution. Now kindly fuck off if that's all you have to say.
>>75988033
Okay.
Answer me this. Do you believe there is relatively conclusive evidence to suggest that humans are the cause of any rise in hurricane strength/numbers in recent years.
or do you think they're unrelated to manmade climate change and instead due to random fluctuations which are temporary.
>>75988418
both
>>75983324
Most of the history of life on this planet was in a world with much higher cO2 concentrations. Life began with much higher concentrations than today. The fact that an extinction occurred during this time means nothing.
The atmosphere is practically starved for co2 at this point
>>75988226
Man, will Bodrum sink brother? I wanna walk around with my speedo in the aegean for a long time to come, the greek islands and turk coast brother. Is that future in peril brother?
>>75988593
>posting anime
Try /r9k/ or maybe instead don't just post fucking retarded articles which say X is happening because of X but don't say why.
>>75978983
Oh shit! Look what I just found! WHich one is right??
>>75978983
>temperature has gone up half a degree in 100 years
The horror, this is truly the cause of man and not natural climate change at all.
>>75988549
See
>>75988033
> there are no real trends with "major" hurricanes (especially when you arbitrarily select only hose that randomly make landfall)
It's not shifting the goalposts at all.
It's selecting a measurement that actually means something.
>>75988610
I know for a fact that man made emissions affect the climate and the mechanism by which they do that is thoroughly established science.
What we don't know is the extent to which it affect it.
Maybe it is just a random fluctuation, I can't really say, but we're certainly not helping things by stubbornly refusing to change course when we know exactly where it's headed. The only variable is how long it's going to take.
>>759789830
> +0.8 C over the last 100 years
Seriously, who gives a flying fuck?
>>75988699
Are you retarded? The article I linked to was an analysis of the consensus on anthropogenic climate change that was based on reviewing over 10,000 peer-reviewed scientific articles on the subject, particularly the ones that took a position on the issue. If you don't understand the significance of a 97% consensus then you are just stupid beyond words.
>>75988395
look up the mass extinctions
all of them has a possible cause of climate changes
also this graph shows that the temperatures hasn't changed more than 1 degree for the modern man
>>75989023
wew
>>75974175
If you actually believe in Man Made Climate Change, you should be gassed for the sake of our species.
>>75988817
>showing specific evidence which supports your arguement but only happened over one day.
Nice try dude.
Here is the full graph
>>75988893
Okay thanks. I'm not doubting there may be impacts. I have doubt that they are anything significant however.
>>75989272
I'm in the same boat but I would really prefer to err on the side of caution when we're potentially dealing with "fate of the world" stuff
Also I just think it would be nice to not live in polluted shitholes like india and china.
>>75988893
a "named storm" is not necessarily a hurricane. the other chart your buddy posted has hurricanes at an average of 6 and all but 3 years since 2000 well below average.
>>75988984
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sl9-tY1oZNw
CO2 goes from 350 parts per million (.035%) to 400ppm (.04%) in the last hundred years or so.
That's an overall increase of one half of one hundredth of one percent.
OH MY GOD THE EARTH IS GOING TO BE DESTROYED!!!
>>75987098
The only trend I see is that we have better monitoring techniques with satellites now than in the 1850s when all the storms that stayed out at sea weren't well documented.
The graph is shit
>>75989459
A hurricane is a named storm. A named storm is not necessarily a hurricane.
You're cherrypicking your data out of a larger dataset to suit your needs.
Stop that.
>>75974175
Shut up goy we need those solar panels and windmills flowing.
>>75988465
>4.5 billion year planet
>only wants to compare temperature of the last 2000 years
wew
>>75981784
praise kek
>>75989627
>A hurricane is a named storm. A named storm is not necessarily a hurricane.
global warming was supposed to INCREASE the FREQUENCY and SEVERITY of hurricanes. that objectively did not happen. in all of our recorded history. the scientists were wrong.
>>75989520
Why are you linking to me a video of that ugly ratfaced bastard? Cruz doesn't know jack shit about climate science, and I doubt he's ever even read the abstract for a single scientific article on the subject. Literally all he's doing in this video is repeating the same debunked right-wing denial bullshit you see all over the internet, and the based black man effectively puts him in his place.
>>75989558
Okay here's your trend from when we started using "modern" tracking in 1966.
Better?
>>75989458
Completely agree with you, pollution is definitely a serious issue and needs to be dealt with. I'd like to see us move into using Nuclear power instead but people seem to be fearful of it.
>>75989899
Other than 2005 that is extremely consistent. Nature is amazing.
>>75989889
hmm..
Sorry for calling you names you opened my eyes for the first time in my life and really made me think.
Thank you.
>>75989643
There is a case to be made for a distributed network of energy generation vs a centralized one, but fear-mongering is not how to do it
>>75989865
And now you're just pigeonholing.
>Sure those other huge storms are becoming more frequent but it's not specifically hurricanes so I'M RIGHT
Protip: named storms turn into hurricanes. If named storms become more and more common guess what will eventually follow suit?
>>75990010
Are you fucking blind?
I am honestly astonished at how dense you are able to be to suit your own needs.
>>75989968
It will come in due time. Most of the people afraid of it are people who were around for the cold war. Let them die off and we're golden.
>>75983106
Was it even still a hurricane when it made landfall? I think the reason the media started calling it "Superstorm Sandy"® was because it was not a hurricane at all.
>>75988033
>chart of named storms starts in 1850
how are scientists in 1850 going to be able to track and name storms that never make landfall? this chart is flawed as fuck.
>>75979675
The only solution is to go from using chemical energy and skipping electromagnetic energy to using energy from the strong force.
But liberals don't like it because it hurts their feefees
>>75989531
wew lad
So this is your highly educated opinion on global warming that considers everything about ecology, biology, physics, chemistry, oceanology, soil science, geology, atmospheric science. I'm convinced mate.
>>75990187
see>>75990316
all you're charting is improvements in storm tracking. BTFO
>>75990316
see
>>75989899
and
read what I said in that post you link
>there are no real trends with "major" hurricanes (especially when you arbitrarily select only hose that randomly make landfall)
I'm really having to repeat myself a lot in this thread. Is anybody actually reading anything?
>>75990427
HOLY SHIT NIGGER
>>75990496
>>75989023
>>75989063
You're trusting graphs which are predicting temperatures from millions of years ago?
What convinces you that we can do this so accurately?
Did any of these extinctions have anything to do with what the species on the planets were doing?
>>75990419
>>75990496
>>75990529
SCIENTISTS IN 1850 NAMING STORMS THAT NEVER MADE LANDFALL?
BLOWN. THE. FUCK. OUT.
all your chart proves is that we can find and track storms better. bahaha
>>75978451
Never seen nor heard someone use seahorse in a derogatory way. Pretty good m8 made me laugh more than it should have.
>>75990733
Okay so you're literally illiterate.
Here, I'll use an image to show my disappointment in you.
>>75990419
So you are saying that in fact the temperature will go up so far that life will be impossible because CO2 went up by .005% in a century?
>>75990419
What makes his claim wrong? How is a change like that so significant?
this is the cycle of temperature shift over the millions of years
>OMFG WE ROSE 0.5C!!!!11!!!1! PANIC! PANIC! PANIC! THIS HAVE NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!11!1!1!1!!!!!!! THIS IS ANOTHER SHOAH!!!!!!!1!!1!11!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111!1!!!11!!!
Give me a fucking break. Our planet have been a tropical jungle and have been a freezer. It will make it again to being a fucking tropical jungle and then a fucking freezer (if the sun does not explode first, that is)
Fucking fearmongers
>>75990663
The graphs don't predict anything. The models reconstruct numbers, which are then represented as graphs.
>>75990869
I think he's trying to say that information years ago might be equal to recent information because data from many years ago is likely to be inaccurate compared to recent data? no?
>>75990869
if a tree falls in the woods and nobody is there to hear it, does it make a sound? same with naming hurricanes in 1850. if they never made landfall you didnt know they existed and you didnt name them. do you get it now? BTFO wew.
>>75990962
Okay. You're right.
My point is that it's unwise to trust our ability to judge this sort of thing when it's so fucking long ago while we can't accurately predict future weather events in the next couple of days with certainty.
>>75979329
That is not how science work my friend. Just because a model that predicts local effects of climate change is not accurate doesn't mean the theory of human influence on climate is wrong.
>>75990962
The science is settled. Go home or it´s the rack for you, shitlord.
>>75990919
Every change on that chart has been attached to a cause (solar cycles, gas cycles, algae boom etc)
The current changes we're seeing has no such cause.
The sun is in a cooling cycle right now (you know that 1975 natgeo cover you guys like to post where it says we're going into an ice age? They thought that because of the solar cycle)
There have been no huge increases in volcanic emissions or major MAJOR changes in vegetation.
The only changes on earth that could possibly explain something like this is that something unnatural is spewing unusually huge amounts of greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere.
I'll leave it to you to figure out what that might be.
>>75990919
Hey Greek bro, Turk bro won't answer if the Aegean sea level will rise, I'm worried I won't be able to vacation in August in your great countries and run around with my speedo thong in the near future cause of global warming and rising sea levels. What's you're opinion, the Aegean is safe for the next 40yrs or I should kiss my beach days goodbye?
>>75979384
>:D
Fuck off plebbit
>>75991247
As a physicist..... you are wrong. As long as an "experiment" can´t proof the theory, the theory can not be seen a being "true". So far, the scientists actually have no clue if their simulations are correct. Most actually heavily overestimate and are "wrong" along the board.
>>75989968
Looking at that chart, radiation could be the plausible answer to what killed the dinosaurs. What if some supernova explosion or something's radiation passed through the earth and gave them all a big dose like something at the end of the brown chart?
>>75991247
>Just because a model that predicts local effects of climate change is not accurate doesn't mean the theory of human influence on climate is wrong.
agreed. but it is evidence that we dont understand the climate well enough to support the theory of man made global warming.
if we had increased hurricanes it would not be mean man made global warming was real either. but it would suggest we were on the right path because our predictions about hurricanes were accurate.
>>75991247
I imagine that he's saying that there should be doubt put on how much we trust this theory. Not to completely abandon it.
We're not denying there is human influence on climate change. We're debating whether or not its significant enough that it's worth investing billions into.
>>75988664
Yet this does not refute manmade climate change nor does it make negative effects of climate change any better.
>>75991286
>I'll leave it to you to figure out what that might be.
Could it be a .005% increase in CO2 by any chance?
>>75981961
I live in NJ, and I was going out to smoke during Sandy it wasn't that bad. Manhattan is just a fucking island making it vulnerable to large storms. A true category 3 could quite possibly flood the entire city like your pic for days
>>75974175
You Americucks want to stay on Saudis sick forever then I guess? Even if global warming isn't real we need to get off of our reliance on non-renewable resources. If the global warming debate helps that so be it.
>>75991348
Even if the sea level rise most of the islands are gonna lose 50 - 100 meters tops from their perimeter, no biggie. Get your susncreen and battle-thong ready m8
>>75991286
>what are fertilisers used by 3rd worlders being abused near rivers and sea
>there is categorically no way they can be tied to the algae bloom
>oh, and we have being documenting algae on 3rd wolder seas for at least 100 years
If you care about it, starve the 3rd wolders. Go ahead, do it faggot
>>75991676
Climate Change is being made out to be bigger than it actually is. There is influence on the climate which is caused by humans but it isn't so great that we need to be worried about it.
>>75991841
Yes. Move onto better energy sources.
>>75982208
>Forgetting Venus and Mercury exists
>>75991516
Talk about political science, amirite?
Seriously speaking tho, extent of theinfluence of human enterprise can readily be observed from SPHESS!!, or via google earth, and definitely cause for concern.
Highly centralized methods of energy generation are also more vulnerable to say, terrorist attack or a major malfunction, like a nuke plant, or a pipeline.
Has anyone ever done a real world experiment to prove there would be a measurable change in heat retention in a volume of air if you increased the CO2 level by one half of one hundredth of one percent?
>>75991286
What do you suggest is responsible then? Do you think it's fair to say such a small increase in CO2 could even be the cause of this?
>>75991841
im the OP and i said in this thread that fossil fuels are finite resources so we need to find alternatives anyways. the point is we're being rused.
>>75991670
Billions?
Try trillons along with revolutionizing our way of life, and much like all revolutions which history attests to, usually involves OCEANS OF BLOOD
>>75992007
>thinking is that simple
There is a multitude of environments that the change could effect that you couldn't tell by just a bubble of air.
>>75992007
Alec Baldwin demanding skeptics be declared insane is ample evidence for me, bud
Person who's a family friend of a climate scientist who works with the CIA, and FSB. The biggest CO2 threat isn't from what you're told in An Inconvenient Truth. The biggest CO2 output in the world resides in the Siberian forests. The trees there have so much CO2 in them just from being alive so long, and newer trees that get planted also contain lots of CO2. There's massive deforestation going on in the Siberian forests from Russian, North Korean, and Chinese lumberers. My climate scientist friend works with the CIA and FSB to re calibrate old spy satelites to get data images from these trees.
Climate change is real, the biggest causes just aren't known to the public on a wide-scale.
>>75992083
The majority of people are too retarded to deal with this thinking. Tons of folks believe oil won't run out. Even more than invisible sky dad provides everything we'll need.
Trying to have frank conversations about grim shit just won't hold public attention. I say let them get rused for the greater good.
>>75992007
pretty sure that's how they know the heat retentive properties of c02. read the thread. i have info posted above. the amount of c02 we have in our atmosphere is already to the point where if we even double it it barely retains any heat.
>>75992347
Forgot to add that the deforestation in the Siberian forests is what causes the massive amounts of CO2 to be released.
>>75992164
You're right.
I can't understand why people don't have a little more doubt around the issue.
Bernie Sanders has literally been saying things like “This is a crisis of unbelievable magnitude"
Even solutions from the left for climate change seem poor. carbon taxes etc.
>>75992347
oh look, bullshit! On 4chan!
What is the world coming to?!?
>>75978631
Same reason people signal against western civilization
Same reason people signal against christianity
Same reason people signal against men
Same reason people signal against whites
It's all just cultural marxism. Yet another way to tear apart white civilization.
>>75992347
What the fuck
Are the trees only pound for pound creating big issues?
or as a whole do they really compete with other mass producers of co2 which are man made?
>>75992418
i just think it would be easier to make people panic if you told them we had hit peak oil. this global warming shit is way too convoluted.
>>75992627
Wouldn't mass deforestation have impacts on the Carbon levels?
>>75992637
I know i shouldn't expect intelligence here, but it's still amazing seeing this brand of stupidity.
>>75992644
They put out x20 more CO2 than man-made stuff. Man-made CO2 emissions are huge and are a big factor in climate change, but the siberian forest deforestation is x10 worse.
>>75978631
carbon derivatives trading is the future enforcement arm of world trade by one world govt
>>75978940
Because the moon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIMN-XVcpkE
>>75980180
For one, Obama has been extremely friendly to nuclear. Clinton would be the same way. Trump also supports nuclear. But Trump's main energy push is rebuilding the keystone pipeline
>>75992956
Source for them reducing CO2 so much that deforestation is creating that big of a problem?
>>75991516
Come on. You know that climate science does not rest only on predicting hurricanes.
>>75993260
Old article, but one of many
http://www.nytimes.com/1992/01/28/news/experts-say-logging-of-vast-siberian-forest-could-foster-warming.html?pagewanted=all
Climate change should be discussed exclusively on /sci/, this thread is appalling.
>>75993742
We can discuss the political shenanigans of climate change here. Like how the Greens in many western countries had connections to the KGB back in the day
>>75992644
>Are the trees only pound for pound creating big issues?
Cellulose is literally just CO2 and water
>>75974175
I hope you drown
>>75974175
The fifth IPCC assessment could not even make a prediction regarding cyclonic activity, so any warmest who thinks that people are causing more hurricanes doesn't know what they are talking about. However, the IPCC did say it will be very likely by the end of the century but I'll be dead by then so who gives a fuck, let those faggots in the future pay for it. I'm already paying for the boomers to retire and all of the niggers.
>>75974175
Source : NASA
Global temperature is going up at a much higher rate then before, just because there aren't any tornadoes doesn't mean it isn't you fucking american.
>>75994572
Wrong graph but here it is, same source.
>>75974175
You must be the 1% scientist that gets paid to say it might not be true
>>75976376
you realize we have been leaving oil at the same time right?
>>75994572
>>75995128
>huge increase in co2 starts in the 20th century
>temperature stagnant for roughly three decades before going up
What's the official explanation for this? I don't see an obvious correlation at all.
>>75994572
Maybe bombing Senegal will fix global warming
jus sayin
>>75995128
Yeah ok. Cuz nasa didnt get caught reporting hotter temperatures than there actually were.
>>75977878
Has El Nino given you tornado outbreak before?
Not in California
>>75978983
There was a mini ice age ending in the late 19th century. The scale of your graph is minusclue in the scale of nature.
>>75995128
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age
oh look, its that graph again
>>75995424
Not from el nino but norcal gets small tornadoes occasionally
>>75979329
Did everybody forget when there were holes in the ozone? and then people made laws and regulations and LOOK oh wow the ozone got better.
Man made, bitch. Humans are the catalysts of this planet and to deny responsibility is disgusting beyond stupid
>>75995896
There was obvious evidence that the ozone was getting wrecked by CFCs and we fixed it yay. There is no obvious evidence of alarmist global warming interpretations.
>>75987716
I checked it out. That was one source. Did you check the other sources?
That first one was probably an organization shut down
>>75988255
It has changed in the past but once it changes, it usually stays that way for at least 100 years
>>75995999
I hope you live in Florida
>>75995896
>be 1985
>all dis new fucking technologomigal stuff
>still no flying cars, yo
>build some friggin satelites and sheeeiiit
>YO GUYS WE FOUND THAT THERE BE AN HOLE IN DIS HERE OZONE
>ohmygodohmygodohmygodohmygodohmygodohmygodohmygodohmygodohmygodohmygodohmygod
>WONT SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!
>2016
>there is still a hole in the ozone
>sometimes it´s bigger, sometimes it´s smaller
>nobody knows why
And you´re a chump
>>75996460
>everyone will instantly flood overnight
yeah okay
>>75995999
There is evidence! You're not listening!
It's like if you smoke cigarretes and have cancer and then say, there's no way they're connected
>>75992206So it's unprovable?
How convenient.
