Are male virgins in their 20s a good thing or is it the result of estrogenized men who are too scared to talk to women?
It's the result of educated men afraid of STDs
>>75916375
its the white wimmins being mean to us, can't take it familyman, I cut my snaek
It's da Jews oppressing us superior whites mane
>>75916375
It's the media raising women's expectations of men to an unrealistic level, and men feeling inadequate when they can't live up to expectations.
Teenage men need to get faceraped by adult cheerleaders (more often) or nothing in this country is going to get better.
>>75916375
Depends. I don't know how amazing sex is. Apparently it's the shit.
Not necessarily estrogenized, though.
I'm a virgin and have a /fit/ body mainly because I'm so autistic. The repetitive nature of exercises, all the studies and statistics, exact specifications on muscle groups and how to maximize gains from a particular work-out and so on all fuel my Aspergers. Also the very thought I'm not living healthy scares me. I just cannot see how anyone would ever reach 300 pounds and whatnot. Plus I enjoy a good run while listening to anime OSTs.
Meanwhile I can't socialize well or make small talk at all with anyone effectively if they don't also play Magic or something.
Being a virgin hasn't prevented me from being happy, though. I mean, I figure if there's a girl who can deal with my autism I'll eventually find her and if not I'll just hire a prostitute at age 29 to avoid becoming a wizard.
>>75916375
It's the rsult of my dick not being inside a vagoo.
>>75916375
I think it's culture. Well, culture has been hijacked by people with interests in promoting ideals that hurt certain classes of people. So really the media.
>>75916375
>tfw schizoid personality disorder
posting from wifi at a maccas on the queensland coast
you fucks WISH you could be this free
>>75917508
>>75917333
Liberals say the same exact thing
>>75916375
I have an excuse, I'm ugly as fuck and have no confidence as a result.
>>75916375
I'm a 22 year old kissless virgin. I'm too scared to talk to anyone.
I don't know how it's a good thing, I'm pathetic. I feel no connection to society.
>>75917333
There it is.
Gather around children, and feel better about yourself.
>have a gf
>we date for 8 months and I never stick it in
>she always initiates sexual shit
>she asks me to fuck her or we break up
>tell her it's against my religion
>we break up
>still a virgin 6 years later
JUST
There is birth control in your water and soy/ canola (estronegenics) in most food.
But this is not the full cause of the problem. We also live in a society where "virtue signaling" is seen as a sucessful reproductive strategy. Instead of competing to be the most masculine and sucessful man, men are competing to demonstrate who among them is the most cucked. Obviously this doesn't work, and that is why white women are getting fed up with cucks and dating men from more virile cultures. To get women, you must reject the cucked morals of the west (christianity, democracy, etc), and embrace a more masculine tribalistic morality.
>>75916375
People who wait until marriage.
>>75918179
But you're a virgin by choice. Different to us losers who haven't even held hands. You were able to attract a woman.
>>75917757
oh shit /pol/ BTFO
hurry guys we have to change our opinions so we're 100% different from the evil libruls
Media and culture sure likes to obsess over sex yet America refuses to legalize prostitution in every state for guys to get their jollies off. You can talk about fucking all you want. But if you try to get sex in a way that society deems immoral then tough shit, you go to jail. I work hard for my money so why can't I have someone suck my dick or let me fuck them? Fuck these stupid laws.
>>75917998
Thanks for the (you) it's not an upvote but it's very nice, yes oh so much better.
Please take this meme in exchange, I think you need it.
Here in NZ no man can possibly be 20 and be a virgin. I had 4 wives when I was 17.
>>75916375
This happens to men because they are indoctrinated from birth to think that they are worthless shit. All the way through education anything remotely masculine is punished and anything feminine is seen as ideal. By the time they are adults they have adapted to being self hateing emasculated betas. Why even try with women at that point?
>>75917998
hi r/feminism
it's neither an inherently good nor bad thing. it's only bad when said virgins become too withdrawn because of the stigma attached to it and effectively leave society. and that's only bad when it becomes neet status because then i have to pay for that. get a job, hippie
>>75916782
>estrogenized men who are too scared to talk to women
this
>>75916782
then that means you don't fuck a bunch of different girls, and the girl you are with doesn't either, i need sex because i'm a man and i have testosterone, if you don't get that then i don't know what to say
>>75918960
Getting your dick wet will literally change nothing. Being a sad neet over not getting said dick wet impairs every social function you do or do not do daily.
>>75918960
nah fuck you, i don't care what happnens to your money.
quit your job.
>>75918852
>>75917418
How old are you. I'm 19 and am basically the same way, anime OSTs and all. Started lifting about 9 months ago to stop being a skeleton and I think grills pay attention to me. Just lose my shit when talking to attractive girls for more than like two minutes.
>>75918960
I'm not yet a NEET but I feel like I'm going to end up being a shut in eventually. It is a bad thing anyway, women are repulsed by virgins and men take every opportunity to attack them. I'm withdrawn for a whole host of reasons, my virginity being only one of them. I hardly interact with anyone any more. There's no point. I accept I'm useless with no place in the world.
>>75919156
ha what else is there in life than to procreate ? social function ??? yeah its so cool i drive to work everyday and all this shit we are fucking gods we can give life and take life away what else is there on this plain ?
>>75919213
have you tried not being a bitch :^)
>>75918573
You can. Work hard, find a girl who cares, and I promise she'll suck your nuts.
>>75916375
Im the second one
>>75919213
Your 19 mate, if you still have problems when your like 26 then you should start to worry
>>75919440
shit i'm 26
>>75916375
What about mid 20's men like me that have had plenty of sex in our teens and early 20's and realized it was over-rated?
Sex is seriously awesome, but it's not worth the life-fucking consequences, nor the emotional investment in a segment of humans that are generally cognitively incompatible with a reasonable man.
>>75916375
If women obsessed half as much about femininity as millennial cuckold males do over muh mascuwinity they'd all look like this.
If your dick is the only thing that defines you as a person, you weren't worth having.
>>75919359
I don't trust anybody. Especially anybody enough to let my genitals near their mouth. At least with a legalized hooker I can make them my practice girl and with legalized standards it would guarantee that they were clean and on the pill. Much better promise than fucking someone who might have a disease or get pregnant.
>>75916782
I found the faggot virgin everybody.
>>75919680
thanks. i couldn't identify him until now.
>>75919647
Go to Vegas then man. I just wanted to try to help you see that its not that hard. If its your trust issues that is holding you back then that is your problem alone. The only thing women require for you to fuck them is to speak to them; no transaction necessary.
>>75920467
>no transaction necessary.
so no fluids then?
>>75920577
That's at your discretion. If she asks for a donation then take the rubber off if you please.
That, of course, is where all to many problems stem from.
Barely not virgin (sex twice, first time drunk at party, both times sucked). Also in academia, all grillz here are fucking batshit and have emotional issues and inferiority complexes. I'm hoping I'll meet a smart qt 3.14 sometime in grad school, but I'm afraid my education has redpilled me too much on how stupid and vapid 95% of people are.
Can somebody tell me what (you) means
>>75921379
>(You)
>>75918819
You Hit IT!
>>75916375
Virginity used to be common for both unmarried men and women.
>>75921379
Attention. Someone out there at least read your brilliant and unique thoughts.
>>75921512
Excessive premarital sex has contributed to a decline in societal morals. Look at the West after the "sexual revolution" of the 60s. Nothing but whiny bitchy, narcissistic generations after that.
>>75921277
At least you've experienced it though and have had some intimacy. I've given up hopes of attracting anyone, never mind a smart pretty woman (who would probably make me feel self conscious anyway)
>>75916375
OP you do realize that more testosterone means less social?
I don't think there are really many virgins over the age of 24/25. It's just a meme. I mean, I know there are people with disabilities, legitimate autism or other unfortunate ailments. But barring that, I don't think its as common as the internet claims. I don't meet many people like that.
>>75922113
Well it's not common, that's the thing, which makes those of us who are older virgins feel useless. Normal people just find it totally unfathomable that some of us are too unattractive, anxious and repulsive to ever attract anyone.
>>75916782
Faggot
>>75921860
First time the girl was fat snd unattractive and basically threw herself on me. I wasn't into it at all and thinking about it now kind of makes me sick. Second time the girl was a control freak, bitched to me the next morning because I "ruined her life" and threatened to kill me in my sleep. No "intimacy" either time. Most women aren't worth it man, just keep doing your thing and don't judge your self worth based on female attention. Look at all the fat, ugly joe-schmos who still get (equally unappealing) wives, don't blame yourself for having higher standards.
>>75922656
If it smells like shit everywhere you should probably check your shoe
>>75922743
Yeah, might have a point. Being in academia makes one neurotic and you're surrounded constantly by neurotic, insecure people. Maybe I need to hang out more outside my department, but my work just seems to ear up all my time.
Wizard here, it's not really fear, it's just I can't be bothered dealing with women's shit. And I don't find them interesting to talk to. Only physically attractive.
Almost wish I was gay.
>>75920467
>is to speak to them
I have a speech impediment. ):
I've honestly considered learning more sign and just playing it mute. It's impossible to pick up women when they see you as some bumbling buffoon. I wish I were born into a species that didn't rely so heavily on spoken word. It has made making friends difficult, finding lovers impossible.
The moments I have acted like a man, there were risks of going to jail, also did get in trouble with the law.
I could beat my spoiled sister into submission, but will have to let her continue to act like a disrespecting shit and taunt me, because otherwise i'd go to jail.
If you cant put force into consequences, then what can you do? Frankly, if it werent for the rules of this land I would probably murdered people by now.
Just a simple thing as visiting a protest, would have me breaking the face out of any carl the cucks that start stammering. We are under whiteys cuck laws, same reason we havent exterminated the niggers yet because we will lose all our freedom.
Cops and the justice system is at fault and the cause for all the pain, take the true redpill.
>hurrf durff cops are based killing niggers
We as white men could end the nigger problem in less than a month, but cannot due to consequences of piggies, eat the truth.
>>75917418
>intentionally letting a succubus suck out your mana
No, anon. Take the wiz pill
>>75916375
it's the falut of growing up in a home without a strong father figure in my case. even those I had both parents, father was a beta cuck
I would hope not.
I'm attractive, big salary, and I avoid women, they are parasites. Women completely lose it psychologically when attractive men reject them, I love seeing their reactions, I'm basically trolling society by trolling women. I sometimes lead them on for weeks and then I ignore them and completely fuck off or find another girl to lead on and then ignore. Fuck them, they did this shit to me all through high school and my early 20s, they don't deserve shit, fuck these skanks and their sluttish behavior.
>>75925887
You're doing God's work anon. Godspeed.
>>75918211
this 100%. didn't lose my virginity until 18 because I didn't figure it out until then.
>>shame male virgins
>> oppose premarital sex
pick one.
Don't call yourself "traditional" in any way if you believe male virginity is a problem. I bet you also think sluts are better than female virgins
If you were to say, say , porn is part of the problem you'd be right. But no you're saying that men have to settle for whores.
Unless you're raping someone, the other party is going to feel pleasure from sex, and I have yet to meet a girl I want to attempt to pleasure. Rotten social media husks don't deserve affection.
>>75928424
women started getting uppity and turning into whores and men blindly allowed it to happen.
because of that phenomenon getting benis in bagina became a lot easier, thus making it uncool to be an adult virgin.
>>75916375
it's a good thing. they have more time for vidya and shitposting with us.
>>75916375
False dichotomy. Women are not worth the hassle in today's society. They re good for a quick fuck, but never date, or god forbid, marry one. They require too much energy to be fucked over in the end.
>>75918350
Even this site is backwards now. An entire thread and not a single one actually even mentions premarital sex being wrong. It's all "casual sex is all that matters, muh dick" idiots parroting the leftist media even though they claim to not be leftists.
The problem isn't male virgins, it's men whether virgin or not who are sex-obsessed and use either porn or premarital sex. And even with people who have long-term relationships most of them are not even raising families. The hipster couple with 2 dogs are no better than virgins.
>>75928754
Of course you're right.
There's every reason for men to become strong again but NOT to please women or get pussy but rather put women back in their place.
If you cave and decide to just "go with the flow" of society to get sex you lost
>>75929010
>premarital sex being wrong
SPOOKS
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>>75918573
>every state
move to Nevada. I think you will be delighted.
>>75916782
You guys make up some bretty dank excuses
>>75929156
nothing more cancerous than Stirnerfags
>>75918179
>virgin because or religion
naw dog, that's some fucking mind over body stuff
hardcore
>>75929261
The masses that pressure men into premarital sex are also the ones encouraging LGBT crap, black lives matter, and such. Why is it that you side with them when there's a whole centuries-long history showing sexual liberation to be detrimental to society.
If you were to ask why people aren't marrying you'd have a valid question. Marrying young is how it should be done. But fornicators are no better than incels, and in many cases worse.
>>75929120
>If you cave and decide to just "go with the flow" of society to get sex you lost
I stopped fuggen random whores for this exact reason
its fucking pointless and I'll never find a wife that way. You're 100% right.
Men shouldn't go full MGTOW though, dating and fucking is fine (besides random hookups,) but we all need to realize that women need to be put in their place.
>>75929577
I just don't know where to make the compromise.
I recognize that courtship and arranged marriage was vastly superior to modern dating but there's no turning the clock back. I dated one girl who was from a traditional Indian family (this was long before I was redpilled on anything, so yeah racemixing is bad) and at the time had no idea how precious I was to have someone who wanted to wait until marriage. There were too many cultural issues with her family but now I don't think I'll ever have another chance to find any girl who hasn't been used at this point now that I'm out of school
>>75921905
sources pls?
>>75930277
He's kinda right and kinda wrong.
More test IN THE WOMB leads to increase in autism and anti-social tendencies. This has nothing to do with T levels in adulthood
>>75929929
>I don't think I'll ever have another chance to find any girl who hasn't been used at this point now that I'm out of school
I'm in college right now and I'm starting to question this as well. I have no fucking idea where to look for women.
I broke up up with ex in January and since then every single fucking girl I've been interested in has been a total degenerate, most not even dateable by normie standards.
They hide it to and as soon as i figure them out I bail.
I'm just hoping that the pendulum will swing soon.It looks like its starting to.
Also, be thankful that you and the poo in loo never became anything.
>>75918179
fuck is wrong with you
>>75930420
thanks
>>75916375
The majority of people here also browse /r9k/. That's why they seem so hostile most of the time because they've never touched a woman and deep down many of them know they never will. They cry "muh degeneracy" and get on their moral high-horse because deep down they wish they could indulge in the things people with a social life do.
>>75916375
neither good nor bad
some people don't view sex/relationships the end all be all
>>75930628
there's also plenty of people here who lived the full promiscuous life when they were younger and regret it. I've talked to plenty here.
This thread is ignorant.
It's ignorant of how women judge men.
It's ignorant of financial issues facing in their 20s.
It's ignorant of the one sided sexual revolution.
It's ignorant of the men who've tried and failed.
It's especially ignorant of the paradox: one must be genuine to themselves and "be themselves," but at the same time women are only attracted to certain personality types and are in fact guilty of all the negative selection they feel men are, therefore being a genuine person can in fact be detrimental yet being disingenuous is incredibly obvious and incredibly off putting.
I don't want to say women should change, that would make me a postmodernist. I don't want to promote disingenuousness, that is harmful to your very soul. I don't have any solutions and the closest I can come to is certain men need more opportunities for success, this is especially true if opportunities are redistributed away from them for the sake of Marxist equality of representation in direct conflict with equality of opportunities.
Because let's face it, no matter who you are, you will never get laid as a NEET who can't afford to wear anything except the clothes bought for him at 16. If this is obvious, then one would assume the actions taken against intellectual white men is deliberate and the message is clear: do not breed.
For fucks sake stop blaming the victim, it's just unnecessary pain.
something has to be wrong with me because when a girl was touching my body all I could do was laugh because it was so ticklish. she wasn't tickling me.
fuck you god.
I'm a virgin by choice, I want to wait until marriage. I've had 2 girlfriends (currently in college) who I kissed on the cheek, nothing more. I just haven't found someone I want to marry yet, currently I'm dedicating all my time to my studies and internship so I can get a good job. My goal is to get in married in 2-5 years after I start my job after graduation and get a house during that time.
>>75916375
The age at first marriage among ancient Germanic tribes, according to Tacitus, was late for women compared to Roman women:
The youths partake late of the pleasures of love, and hence pass the age of puberty unexhausted: nor are the virgins hurried into marriage; the same maturity, the same full growth is required: the sexes unite equally matched and robust; and the children inherit the vigor of their parents.[227]
Where Aristotle had set the prime of life at 37 years for men and 18 for women, the Visigothic Code of law in the 7th century placed the prime of life at twenty years for both men and women, after which both presumably married. Thus it can be presumed that ancient Germanic brides were on average about twenty and were roughly the same age as their husbands.
There was actually a study done recently that said very young mothers have an increased risk of children with autism just like mothers in their 30s+.
>>75930961
>Getting married in 2016 and having no experience in the bed
>I j-just kissed her cheek
Dude you're a faggot, you know that? The majority of women aren't worth the financial risk to marry. Get a grip.
>>75916375
They're usually social ankward people or priests.
Anyway, anyone can fuck a hooker today, so it's not a big deal unless the guy is so autist that he is afraid to talk hookers.
Pic related, last escort I fucked
Its the result of insecure men being brainwashed by porn.
Im almost 100% sure all 20+ virgins are huge porn addicts.
>>75930628
>The majority of people here also browse /r9k/
I've never been so happy to be a minority
>>75930961
Oh vey... Women do not want men that do not know nothing about sex, even virgin women
>>75918179
this is why i come here
>>75931107
>>75931446
I'm a conservative Christian. All of my siblings were virgins when they married (to other virgins). They are all still happily married and have kids, well one of them doesn't yet but has one on the way. You faggots need Jesus. I'm not even kidding
>>75931505
same
Now that women are essentially recognized as "equal to men" by societal standards, men are no longer finding themselves in the providing role within the nuclear family. The state, though programs like SNAP and other programs are making it easier for single whore mothers to shit out kids and get money.
TLDR men are cucked by the government
>>75929566
dude..the masses did not have to pressure me to fuck hot grills in hs and college. you're such a /pol/tard
gona leave this here
Based milo pretty much answers it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mmWYdonr3Y
>>75932281
That's actually not natural, it's from decades of brainwashing. Yes you'd have the desire in the past but it would be shameful and you'd be forced to marry the first girl you fucked.
>>75916782
Beta male damage control
I'm a 21 year old virgin btw
>>75916375
im not a virgin but i dont get women. im ugly not afraid.
>>75932393
>That's actually not natural, it's from decades of brainwashing. Yes you'd have the desire in the past but it would be shameful and you'd be forced to marry the first girl you fucked.
>>75932628
Ask your grandparents if they're alive.
>>75918766
DELETE THIS
>>75932393
>insert it's 2016 meme
idk man, i was born in 89 and wasn't pressured or whatever. I just like women and knew I didn't have to marry them. I don't walk around pretending it's the past. Actually talked about this with my gf last night. Not from the same angle but it was still relevant, about marriage.
I don't understand why people care if I have a gf or not? also how many times are you going to shill this thread?
Having a woman in your life on this decade is harder than on any other in history.
And males also should care about jobs, goal acomplishments or family. More so than women, I'd argue.
So yeah, nowadays a good amount of men realise that is just not worth the effort.
>>75933080
In the US you're not going to want to wait too long unless you're in a city. Grab a pretty girl and keep her
>>75929566
I just really like sticking my dick inside a wet vagina, I don´t care why but i do.
Even if it is the works of (((the masses))), i submit myself graciously
>>75933454
If only it were so easy anon. Pretty good girls are really rare now.
Again, some men are just not willing to waste time searching.
Male virginity is a red herring.
>>75918179
Lmao did the same thing. High school crush wanted to date but only if we fucked. Told the slut to fuck off (not literally, i generally refrain from profanity). 7 years later still a proud virgin. At this point I've just decided to live my life in an effort to better humanity. If I happen to meet a pure Christian woman worth sharing my life with in the meantime then so be it but I'd rather die a virgin than settle for some washed up whore.
>>75918211
This is a good post.
But also there is a lot of mental illness, depression, and low motivation.
>>75918179
this feels like a pasta.
anyway, next month i turn 30. and i'm still a virgin.
i was a kissless virgin until almost my 28th bday. now i'm just a virgin.
i was raised catholic
>fell for don't have sex before marriage meme
i've come too far now to just lose it so i'll probably just die a virgin.
but yes, i am a virgin by choice. but still an unattractive guy. at least i have a MS Electrical Engineering. heh
Ive had plenty of girlfriends, have a pretty good looking face but I prefer traps rather than standard women. Ill probably grow out of my shitty trap fucking stage eventually but im enjoying it while I can.
>>75923043
No you don't. There's two really big problems being gay. Finding a normal gay guy who isn't a faggot. Husband is are in short supply. Also if you don't make it obvious no one knows , and so doesn't your potential hisbando. And why would any sane gay parade themselves and make gay their whole identity? It's stupid and people treat you differently.
>>75917988
Stop bitching and go fuck some whores dumbass
Because I personally think women and sex are the biggest Jews of all. So many fucking people have scandals merely from sex. Since I stopped being self conscious about it women have started legitimately chasing me, didn't expect that.
I also think it would be interesting to become a wizard. Why aren't you curious about what it's like to not be affected by sexual persuasion, addicted to arbitrary sexual pleasures? Just jack off for five minutes faggot, and get back to whatever ACTUALLY makes you happy.
>>75935158
kek
actually prefers jacking off to having sex?
>>75935158
you'd be right if not for the last part, if you also quit masturbating and learn to sublimate your sex drive as well THEN you'll finally truly be free.
>>75935385
>actually prefers jacking off to having sex?
Yes?
>>75935612
Eh I get really irritable if I don't after about a week, just jack off like once every four days.
>>75919311
>what else is there in life other to procreate?
This is exactly why fucking whores is a complete waste of time. You should be focused on finding somebody worthy of being the mother of your children, not trying to get good pee pee feelings from bar sluts.
>>75923758
have you tried speech therapy? don't give up mane :(
>>75930628
not me I blocked that cesspool
>>75918179
I have done this 3 times. Still a virgin by choice at the age of 20. I will wait for the woman I am to marry.
>>75937565
are u catholic or christian.
i'm also waiting. i've had to turn down a few sluts (maybe 3 or 4) but it was easy to do.
