how does a stateless society (anarchy, comunism, whatever) protects it's citizens from another state that wants to conquer it?
>>75903371
Apparently, things like that don't happen in fantasyland...
Citizen militias and private mercenaries,
the invaders will be stopped by the lack of roads
>>75903500
What if the opposition simply offers to pay more money to the mercenaries?
>>75903500
how does a citizen militia can realistically beat an entire enemy state army with trained soldiers and military gear?
>>75903371
Won't happen if you just make the whole world stateless :^)
See world war 2 Russia. Draft the population.
Such a society cannot protect its citizens, that's why such societies don't exist. commiefags like to claim that "real communism" has never been done, and they're right because it's completely fucking impossible
>>75903371
It doesn't. Kek
>>75903591
Then they are not very trustworthy mercenaries and they gig is most likely over since not many customers are going to hire a group with such reputation.
>>75903660
Afghanistan. Never underestimate guerrilla warfare.
>>75903715
do you think you can simply draft civilians and take them to war without proper training and gear?
>>75903982
afganisthan had basic tribal organizations.
they're not anarquists.
Using BWCs or TS
>>75903576
Fucking kek
>>75904001
That's exactly what the Soviets did
>>75903862
the hidden hand of the market shall crush all opposition
>>75904380
so basically send millions to the meat grinder?
sounds like a great plan my brother.
can't wait to see a bunch of local militias without a HQ having a war against modern armies.
>>75903371
the same way any pre-empire country did, guerilla warfare and citizen militias
the question is:
would you be willing to pay for security measures ?
if the answer is yes, then exactly the same way it is now.
if the answer is no, then fugg off
>>75904126
Tribal organisations are not state. You have some ancaps totally ok with the church and traditional anarchists who defend a very local, very decentralised management junta.
The lack of state doesn't suddenly mean humans become hyperindividual animals.
>>75904642
>lets risk astronomically higher deaths because of our autistic aversion to pooling resources
>What is UN
>What is allies
Diplomacy can still happen with large corporations doing the talk
>>75903371
>communism
>stateless society
They leave the roads in such disrepair that the opposing army can't advance
Better question: Can India ever become Anarcho-capitalist? Who would build the designated shitting roads?
>>75903715
>world war 2 Russia
>stateless
>stateless
>a fucking draft, or any way of enforcing said draft
>>75904771
yeah, but even afghanistan is a state.
>>75905354
bro, that's their game.
>>75903494
fpbp
>>75903660
Armies can fight other armies. But armies cannot fight an entire population.. that is unless you happen to be Kitchener..
>>75905611
artillery and air force can easily take infantery.
>>75904622
can't wait to see a bunch of local militias without a HQ having a war against modern armies.
Have you been living in a bubble? It has been and is happening right now
>>75905284
Companies like Lockheed and Martin and Esso
>>75905475
I think parts of India effectively are. There was a great article that argued that Guangdong people in China are sort of naturally anarcho-capitalist and always have been. But neither all of China nor all India could ever be brought up to that standard. The social structures that exist (please correct me if I'm wrong, Pajeets) pretty much came into existence and survive to protect exactly the sort of people who could never last a day in anarcho-capitalism.
>>75905802
you mean isis?
or just terrorists cells?
>>75905503
I used the Afghanistan example to show you how some more or less unorganised militias could face a superior more organised army and still either reach an stalemate (USA) or win (URSS).
If you want some RL examples of what an anarchistic society could look like then you have anarchist Spain (certain zones of Catalonia, Aragon and Andalusia during the Civil War) or the Kowloon Walled City (more like anarcho-capitalism with the Triads operating as security).
>>75905751
Yes.. but what I am saying is that the fighting wouldn't be open battle where artillery can hit an obvious enemy. It's more like the Troubles in Ireland or Gaza where the entire population is agains an invading army force. They create insurgencies such as the IRA and Hamas
>>75904773
>let's let an authoritarian regime just waltz in and take over invalidating our years of working hard to avoid such a thing
>>75906100
>>75906129
your examples don't count because the opossing army is playing with fair rules and don't want to genocide the anarchy population.
There's nothing stopping USA to use nukes on every inch of afghanistan.
>>75905984
Warfare has advanced to the point where insurgents of any nationality and description can simply get all their orders via phone from people they may never meet. The headquarters could be a tiny bare room with a phone charger and a laptop and be the HQ of an organization
>>75905884
Disney world too.
They would be more competent than our government personally apeaing
>>75906194
how do you avoid propaganda, briberies and psychological warfare or simple economic blockades?
>>75906409
do you think ISIS could beat the USA if USA uses all it's forces like in WWII?
Also why would any country want to invade an anarchic society? How would that even got their interests?
>>75906342
There's nothing stopping the USA to use nukes anywhere. If you're going to completely destroy a nation just for the shits and gigs, with airstrikes it really doesn't matter what political system they are using.
>>75906617
natural resources.
>>75906342
What fair rules? What even are fair rules in military takeover and fighting?
If your fighting a fair fight then you are doing something wrong.
>>75906617
Because they're an expansionist power. What do you think happened to the Ukrainian Free State?
>>75906720
That would be for any country, but anarchic ones in particular are not worth the try. It would be easier to deploy the resources of a state
>>75906670
>>75906732
that's not the question.
the question is how a stateless society defends againts a trained enemy with state of the art gear.
USA has losts lasts wars because they contain their military power and don't want to genocide the local population.
>>75906547
It depends... Would the US still be funding ISIS?
States and armies can never truly eradicate an ideology
>>75904622
Worked in Soviet Union, worked in China, worked in Cuba.
>>75906720
It's economically more efficient to trade them.
>>75906877
It's more of a though exercise.
how could a stateless society defends itself from another enemy state that considers ideologically the mortal enemy of such stateless society.
>>75904622
They steamrolled the nazis with that tactic, why change now?
>>75906875
And we told you. People coming together for a common cause and fighting in urban warfare and insurgency. Make the enemy patrols too scared to venture into your city.
>>75906972
IEDs
>>75907087
ok, how does that works now that drones exists?
>>75907357
It's called anti-aircraft weapons
>>75903371
It doesnt
thats why liberatarianism, communism, anarcho capitalism is silly
>>75905475
They'll have designated shitting fields instead, and their shit will fertilize the surrounding jungles of India and more trees means less CO2, this way global warming will be solved.
Automated defense systems. It worked for Atlantis.
How does an anarchic capitalist state even function in international relations tho
A prerequisite to communism is that the entire world becomes Communist. So therefore you won't need an army or a state because the whole world is Communist.
This is what communists actually believe.
>>75903371
ideally everyone is armed and knows how to use their weaponry and bodies for complete self-defense
unfortunetly, most believers in a stateless society are naive as fuck and don't believe in that... so they'll certainly get steamrolled when their neighbors begin to think they'd make nice slaves.
