Post more ancap cartoons
I made that one.
Still butthurt about the other thread huh?
>>75898084
>>75898271
I love seeing my memes circulate.
>>75898137
>People can't be trusted to make their own decisions, which is why we need people in government, because people can be trusted
ancap here
ur memes r weak pham
>>75898722
>>75898491
>Everyone is equal
>Liberals are stupid because they believe everyone is equal
Hurr
>>75898899
>everyone should have the same rights
>everyone IS the same
>>75898084
>>75898177
>>75898216
these are just hilarious and for me, a proof ancap does work!
No one would be that immoral, that's why we need christian national anarcho capitalism!
get on my level!
>>75898899
Everyone has franchise, so they have just as much say in who gets to hold political power as you.
>>75899029
But then it's not anarcho you retard
Libertarians/ancaps are just as egalitarian as any SJW or commie. They believe that all men are equally morally corrupt and thus should not be trusted with power and authority.
>>75899371
>Yes you can trust us goys, we will rule you fairly.
>w-what no I wasn't just increasing my wage by tenfold for no reason, you're being intolerant, the penalty for intolerance is brainwashing
>>7589937
Anarchist rejection of political authority is independent of the moral character of the authority figure in question.
>>75898084
>>75898137
>>75898177
>>75898216
I'd rather have freedom than safety.
>>75899371
>let's give men and women power because at least once in a while one of them won't be corrupt
let's
ancap is an autistic line of thought that completely falls apart in any sort of practical application. Anyone who considers it to be anything but an intellectual exercise in "what if" scenarios is confirmed as completely autistic.
In an anarcho-capitalist society what prevents me from purchasing all the land surrounding someone's house, building a moat and filling it with sharks and shit?
He'll be physically unable to leave his house, but even if he did attempt to sneak out I could shoot him and cite the NAP for my doing so because he trespassed on my shark and shit moat.
>>75900970
Haha shitsharks
They're not real..right?
>>75900970
>what prevents me from purchasing all the land surrounding someone's house, building a moat and filling it with sharks and shit?
Everyone else who can see how much of an asshole you are. If you think you can get away with that kind of shit in any society, anarchist our otherwise, you clearly don't know how people work.
>>75898137
Honor based societies don't need government. In the Arizona people used to do deals all the time, big deals, and just sealed them with a handshake. It wasn't until the government required signed contracts for real estate deals in the 70's that people started doing things in writing.
If someone wrongs you then they can be ostracized from society. Freedom of association is all you need.
Anarcho-Capitalism is like the cambrian explosion of politics.
It's chaos at first but ultimately resolves.
>live in ancap society
>cant find an appartement without a "landlord can rape my gf and/or kids at will" clause in the contract
Such is life in paradise.
>>75901326
What are you going to do about it? I haven't broken any laws, retard. It's my property and any attempt to unsurp my plan (which doesn't even initiate force) is a violation of my property rights, fuck nugget.
There are different kinds of ancaps. From the individualist autitsts to more developed systems. Hoppe's proposal of private cities,is quite interesting.
>>75901326
And who judges what makes one an asshole? Is that not basically mob rule?
>own a humble construction buisness in an ancap society
>built a house for a fellow anarchist
>ask for payment upon completion
>customer tells me to get bent
>forced to file for bankrupcy since i cant possibly pay for the materials and wages needed for the construction out of reserves
My own fault really, should have invested in a pack of gun-toting raiders instead.
>>75902170
you should have asked for payment up front then fucked off a few hundred miles away since the infrastructure to maintain fast long distance communication no longer works so you can pretend to be someone else and run the scam again
>>75902170
Private courts.
He would be found guilty for fraud.
>>75898084
is that an ancap society or what the governments are doing right at this moment? im confused at the meme
>>75902417
>ever finding someone retarded enough to pay up front for a construction project
If i found someone who paid me before the thing is finished id take the money and run even in our very un-ancap society.
>>75901684
Probably shoot you if you try to stop me from getting out. Quite possibly ask other people to help me as well. Because at that point, you are no better than a government. It is almost certain that no court or security service will take your side on the matter, for pretty obvious reasons.
>>75901830
Mob rule is what we have now. There is no escaping this in any society, because more people tend to have more power than fewer people. The ruleset for anarchist "mob rule" is significantly smaller and far more consistent than that of statists.
>>75902417
Joke is on him, he got paid with some worthless money (hard to keep track of these when every mom and pop store issues its own currency) as a test.
>>75902538
>scrape together whatever cash i have left to pay for a law suit
>fraudist just gives the judge 10% of the money he saved by not paying me
>final judgement is that he is unguilty, i have to pay for any court costs,and i owe him my bots and firstborn as a payment for his time to appear in court
At last, ancap justice prevailed.
>>75898216
so these people in a heavily populated area are going to just idly stand by and let one guy hoard all the water while they die of thirst?
I mean maybe if he took a cut of their pay checks and in turn supplied the town with piping and a sewer system.....this is starting to sound familiar but its missing force
>>75902771
>Criticizing the industrial revolution
Are you mentally retarded? People worked that much due the massive increase in manpower,and low capitalization. When capitalization went up,conditions got better. Live before the industrial revolution was garbage.
>>75898827
this one is hilarious
>>75898084
>implying this is not goal society
>>75902538
>Private courts
Are you retarded or just libertarians? oh it's the same thing.
Why someone have the right to create a ''private court''?
Why my private court is the right and not the other private court?
Fucking libertarians, they are this stupid.
>>75902956
You cut the quote.
>>75903131
>demand that the fire get put out
>one guy
>supply of people to put the fire out
>one guy
Then don't set your house on fire stupid.
>live in ancap society
>parents had to sell me into serfdom as a child
>die at 12 from silicosis in the acid mines
Short life, but i least i was free, apart from the literal slavery.
>>75903310
>brazil
![maxresdefault[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/0Clckn9.jpg "maxresdefault[1].jpg")
>>75900970
One of his friends, or a random nice guy, could build a moat around you.
Think about what none aggression means, i.e., do to others what you would have them do to you.
>>75903747
>sweden
POLITICAL VIEWS
>GOD TIER
National Conservatism
>GREAT TIER
Paleo conservatsm
Traditional conservatism
Fascism
>GOOD TIER
Libertarianism
National Socialism
Neo Liberalism
Liberalism
>OK TIER
Paleo Liberalism/libertarianism
>EDGY, INTEREETIMG, BUT DAMGEROUS TIER
Anarcho capitalism
>KIKE TIER
Neo Conservatism
Centrism
Democratic Socialism
>I DON'T WANT THIS TIER
Anarcho egoism
Islamic Communism
Corporatism
>EVEN WORSE TIER
Stalinism
Trotskyism
>KEK TIER
Social democracy
KILL YOURSELF TIER
Anarcho collectivism
Anarcho communism
Anarcho primitism and tribalism
Feminism
>>75903924
touché
>>75903310
>Why someone have the right to create a ''private court''?
>Rights
And you call anyone else a retard hue. Nice spook idiot.
fresh OC
>>75904051
>Corporatism
>Bad
You seem to ignore the fact that the bigger the accumulation of capital the bigger the technological output is.
We are lacking stronger corporations,not the other way around.
>>75903750
But what happens if the man builds a moat around himself first so that others can't get to his property and build a boat around him?
>live in ancap society
>sign up for commercial gym
>have to give one year notice before i can leave the contract
>have to pay even when moving away
>can be kicked out at any time
>have to inform them of any change in my adress
>they can change prices at any time, while i still need to give them one year notice before i can leave
>has no upper limit of customers
>no guarantee of available equipment, or functioning showers
>basically get fucked to hell and back by basically illegal fineprint
>dont actually live in ancap society
>actually live in statist society
>commercial gyms STILL do this without shame
Why are gyms so shit?
FUCK YOU ASSHOLE
LIBERTY OR DEATH
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>75904051
>that pic
REEEEEEEE WHY KILL A CUTIE???
Not AnCap but kinda funny
>>75904280
Corporatism is totalirilism, which gives power to cooperations.
It's basically corporate dictatorship.
Do you really want kikes having even more power?
>>75898899
Equality of outcome is not the same as equality of treatment. You fucking retard, what are you 7?
>>75901203
maybe in india they are
>>75904443
Innit
Faggot could of at least kept her as a sex slave.
Fuck what he does anyway. ISIS us shit and every paki walked past fucking stinks like shit.
>>75904210
no because we have guns too
>>75903310
>Why someone have the right to create a ''private court''?
Do you know what courts do? They resolve disputes. When two people want to resolve their differences without having a gunfight, they go to an arbiter. And the qualities of a desirable arbiter are impartiality, consistency, and a record of ruling within a commonly accepted moral framework. Over time, reputable arbiters will arise that cater to the majority of the population.
If you think the "right" to arbitrate needs to be bestowed upon someone, who does that bestowing and where do they get that right?
>>75904739
no because we also
>>75904639
>Corporatism is totalirilism
Every serious political system requires authority
> It's basically corporate dictatorship.
No. As there are more than 1 corporation and believe it or not they dont have the same interests.
>Do you really want kikes having even more power?
I dont care about who holds power,as long as the economy is fine. Corporatism would lead to greater technological advancements and greater wages. We need bigger companies and corporations. Anti monopoly laws,are helding back the final result of the market,megacorporations,and we are just killing progress through those laws
>>75904739
no because we have guns too
>this whole thread
>ancaps ruined the gadsden flag
fuck off, it's an american nationalism flag
>>75904051
>tfw too coward saving qt Kurds
>>75905230
Because you need to prove you're actually good at arbiting, and you can't just declare yourself judge and jury a la "look at me, i am the judge now"
a government is necessary to any society functioning without total chaos
>>75904066
There is two types of right:
right of institutions to regulate society ex: ''courts''; ''law'' and right to make what you want ex: ''free speech''
I was talking about the second, Juanito.
>>75905868
Did you pick all these cherries for me?
>>75905868
cmon dude trump supporters aren't authoritarians
>>75905868
Jesus Christ, Libertarians are even more cringeworthy compare to Liberals...
>>75904739
The original of that top image with the guy and the sword just looks like some sort of subliminal messaging bullshit. Reminds me of those images of dictators where they're portrayed in a light that suggests you never challenge them.
>>75903085
In medieval Iceland (a relatively anarchic society), the poor would sell their lawsuits to the the rich.
So, if your case was strong, you could get a cash payment from a law-firm or wealthy person, sell them the rights to your case, and then they would try to make a profit through restitution.
Refusal of the defendent to come to court means they would have to deal with, at the very least, a big drop in credit rating.
Anarcho-capitalists have been thinking about this shit for a while. You just never went out and looked for the answers. I did, and it opened my eyes.
>>75905297
>company A and company B are competing, in a corporatist society
>CEO's call a meeting with each other
>hey, we could totally save money for both of us if we agree to pay all our workers $0.02 a day
>holy shit, you're right! and i have no incentive to bring my wages up since ive agreed with my competitor to keep them low
>thanks, corporatism!
>>75905978
>There is two types of right:
No there are no rights full. Rights are just abstractions they dont exist. A private court has the same rights as a public one. None. Its legitimacy comes from the power that they could exert. Nothing more
>>75905230
It's the most stupid thing I've ever heard.
real life is not a ''game''. be a bit realistic.
>>75906324
>Company C pays workers $0.03 a day.
>>75906166
>implying you should challenge the leviathan
>>75906324
>workers stop going to work because it's more fun to earn nothing and be homeless than a literal slave
>companies fold and pay their workers more or die
>>75906569
why would they? they would save more money by getting in on the cartel to pay $0.02
>>75904066
Not him as you can see but,
''Many anarcho-capitalists believe that negative rights should be recognized as legitimate but positive rights should be rejected.''
What guarantees which rights will be followed with prosecution?
And why the fuck do you think letting private courts run cases rather than a neutral court is a good idea?
I'm here to listen I'm not calling anyone names.
Also, his error is related to the use of the word ''Right''
>>75898084
>ancaps rise into power
>you want to support newly established vibrant free market economy
>you buy a burger from Mr. Joe who could open his business thanks to lack of statist taxes and regulations
>you eat this motherfucker
>but wait, what is going on
>you feel sick
>you vomit and lose consciousness
>you are taken to the hospital
>they diagnose poisoning caused by some crap that was in meat (no more socialist FDA) but you don't have health insurance, so they throw you out on the street
>but first you have to pay the cost of transporting you to the hospital
>you are sent to a quarry in order to work off your debt
>you're still sick, so you have to toil while shitting yourself
>you are exhausted
>you die
>Mr. Joe uses your carcass to make new burgers
>it repeats over and over, Mr. Joe becomes a burger tycoon
>GDP rises over 10% in a month
>another free market success story
>>75901499
If there was demand for a non-rape apartment, there would be someone to fill it and make a fortune.
>>75906787
Raising wages outside of the cartel would allow you to supplant them by poaching all the high quality workers and in turn stealing all their business.
There will always be another asshole who comes along and tries to overcut the cartel on salaries, no matter how many assholes join them.
>>75906569
>Worker decided to make a company as he sees big profits
>Pays 1 DOLLAR A SAY
>>75906200
>medieval Iceland
this meme again
>>75906324
>company A and company B are competing, in a corporatist society
Ok
>>CEO's call a meeting with each other
Nothing wrong with this happens all the time. Companies cooperate with each other all the time
>>hey, we could totally save money for both of us if we agree to pay all our workers $0.02 a day
Sounds like a strong argument but is super dumb. People would just not work if you give them literally nothing. And corporations give the average higgest wages of any economic sector. There are lots of different ways to run a corporation. Google's way is different from Amazon's. Happy employers are also way more productive and giving them incentives keeps the company effitient. On top of that competition can surge.
>>holy shit, you're right! and i have no incentive to bring my wages up since ive agreed with my competitor to keep them low.
Both companies go bankrupt because no manpower
>>thanks, corporatism!
For proving how retarded this user was
>>75906904
ok, then asshole A who pays $0.03 a day can only employ so many workers. what then?
>>75906787
But they get all the higher skilled labor from the other two companies.
You do realize your scenario is retarded, right?
>>75907031
Why are you posting this in every single thread
>>75906634
In all fairness, I wouldn't expect a German to challenge the government. Who else would kill six million innocent people for them?
So here's my issue with ANCAP.
People claim that free market fixes everything, that if there is demand for something someone will fill it and if there is something that noone wants it will disappear.
But doesnt that imply there will be periods where the desirable does not exist and the undesirable persists? That there will be periods of suffering before things get fixed?
I am drunk so I hope what i am saying makes sense
Wasn't one of the answers to a, "Who would build the roads?" question in the Libertarian debate literally someone saying we should use jetpacks instead?
>>75906500
The public represents the will of the people of a nation.
The private represents what? ''private courts'' have no legitimacy.
>>75906988
Not an arg(You)ment
>>75907110
Do you like it? Is it a quality shitpost? Your endorsement would mean so much
>>75907162
>But doesnt that imply there will be periods where the desirable does not exist and the undesirable persists? That there will be periods of suffering before things get fixed?
Yes, this is called life.
>>75907133
At least I don't have crooked teeth.
>>75904051
bad photoshop
>>75901357
"Honor based societies."
Honestly, I'm starting to think if there is something in the American water. These people are subhuman-tier.
>>75906789
> ''Many anarcho-capitalists believe that negative rights should be recognized as legitimate but positive rights should be rejected.''
Is just rhethoric. In an anarchist society no rights would be recognized.
>What guarantees which rights will be followed with prosecution?
Whatever the court says. I guess,that there would be a record that courts publishes,and people coukd look at it,so if you comitted a fraud you would be fucked for ever
>And why the fuck do you think letting private courts run cases rather than a neutral court is a good idea?
Is not good or bad is just an alternative
>>75907333
All the better to suck off Ahmed with
>>75907287
I'm a bit skeptical after so many slavic countries from your region have poo-pooed my molyposting, but I can't deny that it's top notch, friend. Consider this post an endorsement.
>>75900548
Then why are you living in the UK? Somalia isn't that hard to get to.
>>75907370
There's nothing wrong with it, you just have to have small groups of people who are totally committed to a cause. Still, it means that ancap societies of greater than half a dozen people or so would run into problems.
>>75907214
>The public represents the will of the people of a nation.
No such thing as this. This is top tier memetics and bullshit. There is no will of the people
>>75907454
I won't forget about this, thanks!
>>75907067
He employs the workers and gets all the business because the quality of his work is substantially better than the rest. The best people will get the higher wages. This incentivises the workers to become more valuable to get a job at the now highly desirable and competitive position with asshole A.
>>75898084
That doesn't make any FUCKING SENSE!!! FUCK OFF!
>>75898177
>let your three year old child starve
that's a VOTNAP in itself though
>>75907566
If five persons agree to not murder anyone, it's the will of these group. If a entire nation allow with some rules, then is the will of the people.
>>75907331
name?
>>75898084
>ancaps rise into power
>at last you can start your business thanks to lack of regulations
>you take out a bank loan
>business fails because some people before you had an idea to sell LAND OF THE FREE T-shirts
>you fail to make the loan payment
>you become a slave of the bank because the contract said so and freedom of contract is the law of the land
>you mine uranium in concentration camp
>one day you accidentally take John's equipment
>John fires at you with his shotgun in defense of his property
>you go to the hospital
>bank hasn't paid for your health insurance, so you get kicked out on the sidewalk
>sidewalk is a private property of Moshe Blumstein
>Moshe shoots you in the face with an airgun
>you manage to get onto an unowned piece of lawn
>private police surrounds you to make an arrest for theft of bank's property (meaning you)
>you announce that you have just homesteaded this lawn so the police cannot shoot, because the bullets would enter your property without permission and thus violate the NAP
>policemen aren't sure if this interpretation of libertarian ethics is legitimate
>they organize the Free Market Congress
>thousands of libertarian thinkers cannot get into an agreement
>they prepare to ritual summoning of Murray Rothbard
>your mom arrives and takes you from the lawn because children are property of their parents
>she mistakes Rothbard's ghost for Chinese street peddler and asks him for some pants for her little boy
>you die from shame
>>75907370
Just cause you cant trust your shitskin neighbors doesn't mean its like that everywhere else canacuck
>>75908060
>If a entire nation allow with some rules, then is the will of the people.
This has never happened
>>75907815
((( Rothbard )))
>>75905877
>prove
You prove it the same way as any other large and successful business proved their worth in the beginning; by offering quality service at attractive rates.
How does a government prove it is qualified to appoint arbiters? Again, this line of questioning applies equally to free market and statist systems.
>muh chaos
Well memed, good sir.
>>75905230
what if one of the parties doesn't recognize the court, doesn't show up or doesn't agree to the terms/penalty punishment? What power can the court yield over him in that case in a Ancap society?
post tread cartoons too
>>75900970
Why would I buy a fucking house where I don't have access rights to a road or transportation system?
>>75908440
shh goy, they are the (((cool kind of jew)))
>>75908420
>>75908514
>>75907815
That would solve our natality problems,as the baby market would need to increase its production. Rothbard was a visionary that was trying to save the white race. Respect him
>>75898460
>>75907214
>The public represents the will of the people of a nation
Are you seriously implying that the people are ever completely unified in anything?
What you mean is that it repersents the will of the majority.
But it's immoral, or a spook, to let that will reign over everyone.
Do you even veil of ignorance hue?
>/pol/ finally understands that there's a difference between Anarcho-Capitalists and Libertarians
#soblessed
>>75908474
Simple. The court publishes a public record. If the people value its opinion,due to being imparcial,that person work/ trade prospects would be fucked for ever
>>75908551
They didnt even get more than 50% of the votes,let alone all the people agreeing to Hitler's law
>>75908447
>>75907815
>>75907851
>>75908549
>>75907972
Gee anon. Your posts sure are spooky
>>75908840
>I have no argument so I'll just insult you.
Every fucking time
>>75908701
>mfw people unironically support violence based on political beliefs
>>75908910
>>75907370
Woman detected
>>75908713
hmm there still seems to be a lot of room for exploitation of this system.
>>75907333
>divide and conquer
fuck off with your anglo hate roach
>>75908474
Then the second party would likely contact his security provider to have the first party arrested and taken to court by force.
This is assuming that the first party has no security provider (in which case he's on his own), or that his case violates the provider's policy and thus exempts him from their service.
>>75909094
>ignoring the logical basis for the NAP
>not doing what's in your best interest
>>75903750
That's great. So all I have to do is remain more popular and wealthy than anyone that doesn't like me and I'm set.
>>75898491
If someone breaks the trust, he won't be voted again and probably prosecuted.
Ancaps want the jungle law claiming everyone will use the NAP, that no one can enforce, because there is no one to check on others not using aggression. Not being busy with basic survival and defending ourselves is what got us out of the jungle.
>>75902998
This one is by far the most interesting.
>>75909269
>logical basis
>>>>logical basis
>>75909223
I presume every time you use the court system you pay fees as you would for the security?
So some people could be royally fucked if they can't afford security to exact justice on people who have wronged them?
>>75906727
>workers make their own company and pay themselved $0.03
>>>>>>>>>>(((logical))) basis
>>75909507
Hey man, if you want to ignore the point of what stirner believes, fine by mean.
But don't come bitching when you get shot because you didn't pay attention to any other parts of philosophy, like categorical imperative and the law of universality
>>75909721
>implying you know anything about Stirner
>this triggers the AnCuck
>>75903250
Living standards dropped during the industrial revolution, anon. It took decades for the benefits of industrialisation to actually materialise, and while everyone was standing around waiting for that the lower classes suffered.
Luddites and Marxists weren't retarded. They were motivated by the massive injustice of industrialisation and a pastoral dream remembered. In fact, the benefits of the industrial revolution only started to truly flow down to the lower classes once the judiciary took things into their own hands. It was the judges and the courts, not parliament, and not the free market, who stood up for working men and women of Great Britain.
>>75909812
The point of spooks isn't "fuck everything, do what you want". It to say that you shouldn't hold "spooks", or man made ideas, above your ego, your own interests.
If you go around saying "everything is a spook, this is mine now", you aren't doung what's in your best interest, as thats the type of behavior that ends up getting you killed.
>>75909409
>that no one can enforce, because there is no one to check on others not using aggression.
Why are you under the impression this would be the case? Do you think ancaps magically lose demand for security and dispute resolution?
>>75909556
Do you support universal healthcare?
>>75909320
Remaining popular and wealthy relies on upholding the NAP. Act out of line and nobody will trade with you.
>>75900613
It's much worse than that.
>We can't trust people who are charged with looking after the population with power because they're corrupt
>So let's give ALL the power directly over to a group of people with even more power who are total sociopaths who are only concerned with themselves and how much money they can siphon out of everyone and remove all laws applying to them
Autism.
>>75900970
Exactly, people will just form alliances and systematically conquer land by surrounding it and performing a siege. SIEGE.
People seek safety, they slept in caves, built weapons to defend themselves and that gave them the ability to form something greater.
Fucking "The Walking Dead" disproves a realistic NAP.
>>75910148
Meant to reply to >>75899371
>>75910075
>i-i-it's in your best interest not to agress b-because there's no way your union of egotist will outnumber my puny ass
>please believe me when I claim to be able to afford a private army
Private property is a spook you cucked faggot.
More Stirner memes please
>>75910245
>Fucking "The Walking Dead" disproves a realistic NAP.
No it doesn't. By that logic I can say 40k disproves statism.
>>75910325
>>75910319
Focusing only on the non-existence of private property is also a spook. At this point your just as much a slave, but in the exact opposite way.
Did you even read anything but part one of the ego and it's own?
>>75910093
In my country yes. In other countries and situations it's probably a bad idea.
>>75910479
Do you have an argument besides "you wouldn't wanna do that cuz ill punch you, trust me haha"?
>>75902915
thats not an ancap, but just an asshole
>Ancaps
>>75910695
Austin Petersen rejects the NAP, he's kind of a weirdo in the lolberg party.
>>75910639
Did you even read my fucking post?
I was pointing out your just as much a slave to the spook of property, but in the opposite way.
Also, all your comments ignore how unions of egoists would work, namely that you are subjugating others for your own good, which is explicitly not how stirner says it should work.
But I'm pretty sure your just the German posting this because people don't really understand stirner. Hell, didn't you and I have a similar discussion about a week ago? Or was that another stirner posting German?
>>75904955
It isn't the woman in the picture if that makes it any better.
>>75898216
Fucking Kings, remove them from my freeside REEEEEEE
>>75901357
You're the one who will be ostracized you 4chan browsing virgin.
>>75906136
Don't you have some Palestinians to deny land to, Jewboy?
>>75910958
>I was pointing out your just as much a slave to the spook of property, but in the opposite way.
You literally just made that up. And your only argument was this: "I have superior force behind my back so you wouldn't want agress upon me because I'll retaliate" which is not a moral argument and falls apart as soon as *I* have superior force behind me.
>Also, all your comments ignore how unions of egoists would work, namely that you are subjugating others for your own good
That only goes for working within the union, of which you are not a part. Obviously I am working under the assumption that everyone is associating willingly because the loot is shared.
>>75910496
In those countries, how are people supposed to get healthcare if they can't afford it?
>>75906200
And if you were right and it wasn't profitable?
>>75904280
>Corporatism
>Bad
Autism. Literally.
Daily Reminder.
>>75905297
>Every serious political system requires authority
Yeah and it's a really good idea to give that authority to plutocrats. See: >>75910148
>>75911297
>which is not a moral argument and falls apart as soon as *I* have superior force behind me.
Veil of ignorance. You can't assume you are always going to have the upper hand in regards to force.
Same thing with the union. You're assuming that you're part of it, but what happens when someone else forms an even stronger union that your not part of.
You can only choose to do what you would be OK with if you didn't know who you would be in the equation.
>>75910345
Milton BTFO
>>75911604
Pay it as a debt over time, have family help, community loans, charities, NGO help etc
>>75910362
It's a joke m80.
If there is no one to enforce a law, people will not follow that law. After centuries of enforcing a set of morals based on christian values we formed societies where people can go outside safely, move around, sing, dance and express themselves in a non-aggressive way AND interact safely with others, engaging in trade without getting ripped off. Back in the days, fraud and theft was rampant, so extreme measures like cutting of limbs had to be enforced. Now nearly everyone agreed to not steal, so a police force can chase down the few bad apples and "better", more moderate, more constructive justice can be spoken.
I download tons and gigs of music, movies and series, isn't it theft? I do it because it benefits me and the police is overwhelmed by the people doing it. If there is no law enforcement, laws, agreements and pacts break apart really quick. Look at societies that break apart, killing and stealing is still illegal, but the people steal and kill to survive. So much, totalitarian regimes take over and let people starve to death.
>>75910075
>It to say that you shouldn't hold "spooks", or man made ideas, above your ego, your own interests.
Which is exactly what the NAP is, a man made ideal that those with property and wealth seek to use to spook those without into passivity.
>>75911285
you would know what it's like taking land that doesn't belong to you, kkk scum
>>75911830
So why does this solution apply to health services, but not to arbitration and security services?
>>75912180
I never said follow the NAP to the letter, but the logic behind it: leave others alone so they'll leave you alone.
>tfw neocons and left wing authoritians have taken over /pol/
Appomattox was a mistake
>>75908677
No there isn't. You're both anarchic, autistic, amoral sociopathic autists. There is no such thing as a state small enough to satisfy a libertarian.
>>75911174
I'm getting my dick sucked right now.
>>75912260
Because every time a crime is committed against you you have to pay. Richfags can commit crimes against poorfags with impunity and the poorfags won't be able to pay for the security to apprehend the richfag and take him to the private court.
>>75912388
A large portion will be gone after this election.
The vast majority of new statists are nere because of trump. Once that's done with, they'll leave, amd it will rerurn back to normal: a balance of the different right wing factions, with some leftists.
>>75912388
Oh yeh because not liking libertarianism automatically makes you a left wing authoritarian or a neocon now ??
As your retarded overlord says
>not an argument
>>75912320
NAP is literally "Let's all be peaceful to each other", guess what, I will conquer you and enslave you. I want stuff and I probably can't get rich in a peaceful way, so I will simply use violence to get what I want. Yea, you heard me right, I will kill you, take your land and everyone attacking me is officially breaking your holy NAP. Face it, you rely on others being beta like you, while I sharpen my alpha dick to penetrate your loose butt hole.
>>75912320
I'll only leave them alone if that's the best option, which it often isn't.
>>75912734
>Yea, you heard me right, I will kill you, take your land and everyone attacking me is officially breaking your holy NAP
No they aren't. At least know what you're talking about before argueing. Tha NAP doesn't prevent protecting oneself.
>>75912734
You're acting like the NAP means pacifism, which it doesn't. If you try taking their shitm they could always just shoot you
>>75912388
Nah mate, the natural order of /pol/ is being restored from autists and children. This board never belonged to christfags and libertardians. You just convinced yourselves it did after gaymercancer cleared out most people who could argue logically. Now the ecosystem is bouncing back and your faggots, kikes and money-worshippers are getting rightfully kicked to the curb where you all belong.
Go suck your favorite pedophile faggot kike Milo's dick.
>>75912734
Also
>Face it, you rely on others being beta like you, while I sharpen my alpha dick to penetrate your loose butt hole.
The vast majority of an-caps and minarchist are /k/ type of guys, myself included. They won't initiate force against you, but if you decide to use force, you can sure as hell bet on them fighting back.
>>75913033
/pol/ was majority libertarian for a long time, newfag
>>75913176
No it wasn't. It never was. Libertarians were always present, but never more than about 10% of the population or so.
>>75912826
>>75913019
>>75913067
I will poison your water and stab you from behind. I know you think you're untouchable because you own a gun, but there will always be a smarter guy, a more powerful guy with more guns. In his eyes you are all just rebels standing in the way of a new regime.
>>75906801
inspectors find out that you died because of mr. joes shit burgers.
mr. joe goes broke and maybe worse for poisoning you
>>75913270
Not at all true.
Did you forget about ron paul for instance?
Now run pn back to r/thedonald and circle jerk with your statists friends their.
>>75913270
Then what about all those polls showing that the most popular ideology was libertarian? Why did /pol/ love Ron Paul so much? Don't act like you know shit when you've only been here a year
>>75913284
>I know you think you're untouchable because you own a gun, but there will always be a smarter guy, a more powerful guy with more guns. In his eyes you are all just rebels standing in the way of a new regime.
I bet you also think that the US government couldn't be overthrown by the gun owning populace as well.
>>75913397
>>75913408
>Rewriting history to suit yourselves
None of them ever did. They always said that libertarians were a minority. Same with christcunts.
>>75898084
>government in so much debt it's forced to close its doors
>does a last minute auction of all government assets in an attempt to not get raped by the chinese too badly
>every government asset is put up for sale, buildings, roads, footpaths, even worker contracts
>rich man decides to buy every single road, footpath, allyway and the like in a big city
>rich man decides to tax the ever loving shit out of anyone who steps onto any of these pathways (each pathway has its own tax) with heavily armed guards keeping a keen eye on every street corner
>poorfags literally can't leave their house or they'll be shot for stepping onto the toll paths without paying
How does ancap leave his house and get to another location so he can start his life anew in the glorious ancap society (assuming this doesn't happen everywhere in the country)?
>>75913397
>WAAAAHH STATIST
Come up with an actual argument
>>75913284
>I know you think you're untouchable because you own a gun
That's not the point. In a libertarian society, people would still form communities and protection would still be a thing.
>>75913564
You're just embarrassing yourself now. Let me guess, you came here after Zimmerman, right?
>>75913033
Am I reading this wrong or does Trump fall under every stage of redpill? His policies can fit under any one of them.
>>75903250
>People worked that much due the massive increase in manpower,
Most of that is due to the 'enclosure' acts that privatized common grazing and farming lands and forced the people living nearby to move to the city or starve.
>>75907815
already exists, children can be adopted
>>75913904
There aren't strict stages to being redpilled. It's possible to be a traditionalist fascist or even a traditionalist libertarian (like Hoppe for instance).
>>75903750
>Think about what none aggression means, i.e., do to others what you would have them do to you.
Sorry, that's not how Ancaps use the word at all.
>>75913904
>Am I reading this wrong
Yes. You're seeing what you want to see. Trump is stage zero. He doesn't follow any philosophy except self-interest. He has the philosophy of a toddler. It's not even as fleshed out as libertarianism because he was born into privilege. No, just because sjws coopted the word "privilege" does not mean it no longer exists in it's true context of the rich.
>>75913724
It wasn't meant to be an argument. It was an insult.
Just like this is: fuck off you retard. Don't you have a reeducation camp to report to?
>>75911683
Veil of ignorance only works if you actually intend to build a society. It's completely useless for anarchist/egotist thought because there individuals exist and act "in a vacuum" so to speak. You can't ask things like the "golden rule" because that assumes permanent association.
Obviously I cannot assume I'm always the strongest, but if I happen to be you can't give me one logical argument not to rob you.
>>75913397
Ron Paul was popular because he was staunch anti-war during the Iraq war and the establishment hated his guts. That's the ONLY reason the libertarian meme ever blew up. After Ron Paul was gone, it evidently died down.
In the current year we have the immigrant crisis and the upper echelons pulling out all stops for full globalist cultural marxism - At the same time people got redpilled over libertarianism open-border cuckolding bullshit. (inb4 but muh Hoppe)
>>75912696
AnCucks like pushing the "NatSoc is left-wing" meme because they are manipulative little kikes who think this association will make it more unpopular because left=bad on /pol/.
They don't understand that left-right has nothing to do with economics or freedums and everything with egalitarianism. But even if you'd grant that, NatSoc being actually socialist is also a meme.
>>75905230
>And the qualities of a desirable arbiter are impartiality, consistency, and a record of ruling within a commonly accepted moral framework.
Or maybe you want an arbiter who will take a small bribe to get you a large payday.
>>75905230
>Over time, reputable arbiters will arise that cater to the majority of the population.
You're just assuming that businesses in a stateless society will compete in the same way that businesses compete in real life. Sloppy thinking in the extreme.
>>75913486
the whole gun owning populace could probably overthrow the government, but most of these people are in favor of a state.
>>75913730
I'm debating the ancaps, libertarians want minimal government that enforces law and order as well as a military to protect the state (with tax money).
Protection will always come with a cost. Communities will always grow too big, so individuals don't have any social connection to each other and fuck each other over. We all know families work, most point out that tribes work, but have you ever wondered why tribes never reach over 300 people? They only work as long as bad people can be easily identified and sent out into exile.
>>75914277
HAHAHAHAH oh fucking hell no need to get in a hissy fit
>>75914456
>At the same time people got redpilled over libertarianism open-border cuckolding bullshit. (inb4 but muh Hoppe)
You're right, people became more nationalistic in wake of the immigration issue. Doesn't change the fact that /pol/ was majority libertarian and if you think otherwise you probably weren't here. Muh Hoppe is also a valid response as he does a great job showing how open borders aren't actually libertarian and therefore that it's possible to be a nationalist libertarian
>>75913316
>"inspectors" consist of a handful of private for profit firms
>inspectors are paid by Mr. Joe to say that his burgers are the greatest in the world
>>75909223
>Then the second party would likely contact his security provider to have the first party arrested and taken to court by force.
LOL. Ancaps admit freely that they endorse private thug armies to enforce the whims of the rich.
Much Liberty.
>>75905868
I hate this, you grabbed the worst examples and the best examples.
>>75905868
Have you actually read Evola? Calling him an "authoritarian nationalist" makes me think not.
>>75910362
40k does disprove statism.
As in, statism is good and necessary when your leader is the divine incarnation of all of humanity, and the literal hordes of hell are outside, clamouring to devour you.
>>75914817
Hoppe is a crypto-fascist who does a good job exposing how all you have to do is not call something a state to push the same ideals as authoritarianism.
>oh but it's voluntary! not my problem you happened to be born on this soil - you can always leave hehe
As if this isn't the case with states. And open borders absolutely are libertarian, all authors just try to meme themselves out of the inevitable problem of culture wars.
"private borders can take up the function", Rothbard says.
"they wouldn't come without welfare", Friedman says
"we have the right to arbitrarily expel them", Hoppe says.
However, it all boils down to the same problem: Immigrants escape from many forms of death and thus have extremely low standards to work, in other words they are willing to do wageslavery. Your feudal lord that owns the land will always choose cheap workers over "preserving muh culture". It's a free market after all, hurr durr. The liberatarian """nationalists""" simply assume the land owners wouldn't let in immigrants without giving any reason.
The modern libertarian argues "well if they work more for less pay, then they deserve the job" which is precisely where you go off the rails and start culture wars.
>>75915072
same thing could happen in statist society, probably even better there
>>75898084
REPORT SHILL THREAD REPORT SHILL THREAD
>>75909409
oh yeah?
>>75909928
THIS x1000
The same is happening now with corporatism. There are masters and the rest of the population are wage cucks. We should learn from history, this cannot end well.
>>75915148
On phone so I don't have the facility to post walls of text, but refer to pic related for an examination of how it would look like and why it wouldn't work the way you say it will.
Can anybody recommend a good book by/about the philosophy of Max Stirner? I feel out of the loop with this whole "spooks" thing.
