The problem with atheism is that they have no morals. Without religion people are free to pick and choose which morals they want to follow, and due to human nature they will throw these morals out the window for personal gain.
That's why religious people look down on atheists and America would never vote for an atheist president. You guys are like animals. You stuff your faces with food, have sexual intercourse, and live like animals.
Religious people live a higher life than you scum-sucking lowlifes.
>>75890162
>muh moral comes from dzizus
>>75890162
>>75890162
Amen dat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqQdc0mX1_c
>>75890162
Fedora tippers are subhuman desu senpai
>>75890274
>muh moral comes from dzizus
What did he mean by this?
>The problem with atheism is that they have no morals.
Tell us about all those times you gave all your possessions to the poor
>atheists are immoral beings
>>75890538
This.
I don't remember atheists trying to drown/burn women on suspicion of being witches just because they had warts on their nose
>>75891149
>what happened years ago applies to modern theists today
This.
Civilization was founded upon Judaeo christian values and we sink lower and lower everyday as we throw those value away. Whether God exists or not the atheist agenda is degeneracy.
>>75890274
> Not understanding theological allegory
A
FUCKING
LEAF
why am i not surprised
>>75891149
>using the inquisition which killed less people than the first year in iraq
Your totally right atheists would neve...
> Flashbacks of USSR starving, torturing, raping, and murdering people in unprecedented numbers
> sounds of Mao laughing hysterically in the background
>>75891805
Greeks, Persians, Romans, Chinese, the list goes on. Such judeo-christian civilizations amirite?
Also, don't give me that moral bullshit, how many of you has eaten crabs? Wears clothing made out of two fabrics? Has looked at dat magnificent ass? Given to the poor? This list also goes on, something something he who is without sin casting the first stone. Dont cast stones if you live in a glass house.
Yall hypocrite.
>>75890162
you seem upset
maybe you should just give up procreation
>>75891996
>allegory
aka: fairy tales
I like most morals in "Lafontaine's fables". But I don't think a rabbit actually raced a turtle or worship them every sunday.
>>75890162
I am an atheist but I do follow christian morals. I would consider myself a moral christian and believe Christianity is a legitimately decent religion. Probably one of the better things to happen to Europe.
>>75892422
I meant to say Western Civilization not just civilization. But based on what I did say, you are right.
MUH MORALS MUH MORALS
BELIEVE IN MY BOOK OR I WILL KILL YOU
YOU SAVAGE IMMORAL ATHEIST, DIE!
>>75890162
I'm an atheist and I have morals. Having to turn to a fictional entity for morals is pretty pathetic. I'm voting for Trump btw.
>>75892545
>tfw you realize you're a christian atheist
been there pal.
take my family to church now.
feels good.
really really good.
>>75890162
I've met maybe 5 religious people that weren't absolute trash. Why do you think the midwest is so shit? It's the Middle East of the USA.
>>75890369
>>75890162
>>75890274
Any white person who is atheists is just massive cuck to their own heritage and culture and deserve to be shit on
>>75892764
Chill fampai.
We all moral relativists here.
>>75892785
you're a christian atheist, you just don't know it yet.
>>75892966
>/pol/
>relativists
ffs you're a national embarrassment
>>75892966
>IF YOU ARE AN ATHEIST YOU MUST BE A MORAL RELATIVIST
Yeah man get that strawman! SHOW HIM WHO'S BOSS!!
>>75890162
>Without religion people are free to pick and choose which morals they want to follow, and due to human nature they will throw these morals out the window for personal gain.
>"Religious" """people""" in America don't do this all the fucking time.
>>75893063
>Leaf
>>75893058
>>75893037
Get le trolled. heheeh
>>75890162
Stay spooked.
>>75892491
Actually religious people breed much more successfully. The same goes with those who are politically conservative.
>on a side note
he should be upset, it is only easy to be happy all the time with the world if your standards for (both morally and socially) are extremely low
>>75892785
this.
>mfw It takes a book and a dead kike to mentally placate you and keep your kind from becoming immoral rapists and killers.
>>75892514
>take a small passage that is obvious a metaphor.
>get called out
>oh the whole bible is this way tho, you all worship the equivalent of the tortoise and the hair huehuehuehuehuehehue
Full ban on leafposters when?
Or how about I don't need a dead jew on a stick telling me not to kill or steal?
atheist here
so glad i dont have to feel bad about punting a dog off a building and then fucking my best friend's wife and then lighting up a huge pipe full of crack because there's no god telling me not to!!! :^)
>>75893486
>not cucking your best friend and letting him cuck you too
You're a shit friend desu
>>75893058
Actually, unless you use the categorical imperative or some method from Locke or Hobbes it is impossible to not have a relativistic approach to morality outside of religion.
atheism is ignorance
>>75890162
morality/values are subjective and can only be subjective. Even if you agree with an ''objective'' source like the bible it only has value bc YOU are giving it value. Prove me wrong.
>>75893271
Ahh i remember being 13, was fun being edgy..
>>75893570
>I haven't thought about it so it isn't possible
I'm an atheist and i have
I like people to be nice to me so i am nice to other people, simple
Religious people are truly a bunch of jokes
>>75893403
Id vote for that, there are a few good leafs on pol but most are just edgy shitposters
>>75892973
this. he is still accepting the christian ethic even if he rejects the rational behind it (sin).
>>75893715
why follow the golden rule if your an atheist and don't believe in karma? why not just fuck ppl over and get yours?
The fact that Jews hate Christianity so much is enough of a reason for me to think there must be something to it
>>75893571
agnosticsm is actually the atheist's argument; they state "the idea seems implausible", meaning that they're admitting that there could be a god, but that they do not think there is.
Atheists don't believe there could be a god, just as theists don't believe there couldn't be a god.
>>75893571
Alright, if you're a theist, prove god exists. If you're an atheist, prove he doesn't. It IS impossible to know. This comic is dumber than you.
>>75893970
this deu
>>75892422
Nigger confirmed
>>75893063
>>75893953
>why follow the golden rule if your an atheist and don't believe in karma?
he literally just said he treats people nicely because he would like to be treated that way
>>75893953
If you fuck people over, people will know you fuck people over and try to fuck you over.
>>75894013
I can't prove that the flying spaghetti monster doesn't exist.. it's impossible to know, but based on evidence it's EXCEEDINGLY unlikely that he does, so i'm gonna go ahead and say he doesnt
this is atheism
>>75890162
>>75894125
>because he would like to be treated that way
that only makes sense in a ''you get what you put in'' reality. But if you are a materialist and don't believe in that then why bother? demand you get treated right but how you treat others is whatever.
>>75890162
Aight this is prolly a b8 thread but as a conservative atheist, I feel the need to let you know that you're all retarded. Here's why:
>Without religion people are free to pick and choose which morals they want to follow
1 Peter 2:18 - "Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh."
Either you support slavery, or you're a terrible human being. If you don't support slavery, as the Bible condones, then you yourself are "picking and choosing which morals you want to follow." Everyone does it, religious or not.
Also, if you're too stupid to be an altruistic person without a book telling you how to do it, you're probably an idiot and a bad human being. But I digress.
>>75891677
>What happened years ago applies to modern theists today?
Isn't this the whole argument of religion? If time creates irrelevancy, then isn't the entire Bible irrelevant by now?
>>75891805
>Civilization was founded on Judaeo christian values
You don't actually believe this, right? You don't even try to back this claim up, and you clearly don't know how to spell "Judeo."
>>75892288
>The USSR and Communist China are a reflection of atheism
Really? A shitty system of economics proposed by a bunch of totalitarians has anything to do with whether or not someone believes in the supernatural? Jesus Christ, guys.
>>75892951
>You can't have traditional values if you don't believe in God
Another spergy comment. Is /pol full of edgy 16 year olds again? Sure smells like summer.
Once again, I'm an atheist and I'll defend The Crusades literally any day of the week against liberal faggots.
>>75893063
This desu
The people who make this anti-atheist threads are always the most autist and edgy shitlords.
>>75890162
Considering how religion flip flops all over the fucking place, it's pretty hard to say that religion doesn't have flexible morals. They change with the times, just like the morals of atheists.
You can't say that morality comes from God when you're willing to throw out whatever words don't agree with your point of view.
>>75893978
>>75894013
Agnostic/gnostic are not mutually exclusive with atheist and theist. They describe different things
gnostic atheist: Knows there isn't a God
agnostic atheist: Doesn't know for sure but doesn't live as if there is a God
agnostic theist: Doesn't know for sure there is a God, but lives as if there is one.
gnostic theist: Knows that there is a God
>a factually false manuscript written by primitive backwater Jews is a legitimate source of morality
>>75890162
> Fuck all atheists
Don't give into the terrorists anon. It's what they want.
>>75894339
>demand you get treated right but how you treat others is whatever.
so, how people actually behave whether they admit it or not for the most part?
>>75894245
Is it still exceedingly unlikely if you add in the multiverse theory?
>>75890162
>It's a "meme thread by christcucks again" episode
Daily reminder that the US is not a christian country
>I am the Lord, your God.
There are many muslims and atheists in the US
>Thou shall bring no false idols before me.
Celebrity culture is at an all time high and most faggots here would sell their family to sleep with a celebrity
>Do not take the name of the Lord in vain.
God damn it and holy shit are the most common slurs in the english language
>Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy.
Many americans actually work and do chores on Sunday
>Honor thy father and thy mother.
Retirement homes are full with retirees left there to die
>Thou shall not kill/murder
Over 12,000 murders per year + godknows how many in the middle east by drones
>Thou shall not commit adultery.
Cuckoldry and infidelity are US national sports
>Thou shall not steal.
Ayy lmao, you would be hard pressed to find somebody who hasn't stolen at least a pen
>Thou shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
People going to prison because false arpe accusations is a daily occurance
>Thou shall not covet your neighbor's wife (or anything that belongs to your neighbor).
Greed is the national pastime of the average burger
>>75894412
>atlas shrugged
>not a factually false manuscript written by a primitive backwater Jew
>>75890162
/pol/ is a Christian board.
>>75894146
honestly thats pretty rare. most ppl you interact with you only interact with once, maybe twice so who cares? of course don't fuck over your family or coworkers/any body you have consistent contact with. But on a more important point is that all that matters? self interest?
When you fags start actually fighting back, I'll consider joining the church.
As of right now, it's just an excuse for some clergy to to tell me Jesus wouldn't approve of abortion or hating Muslims.
>>75894369
ABSOLUTELY BTFO
>>75894369
To clarify>>75892655
>>75894369
>this is prolly a b8 thread
prolly? EVERY religious thread on /pol/ is a bait thread.
>>75890162
This is bullshit. Firstly religion and religious laws are cherrypicked all the fucking time. Secondly morality is in its essence the most reasonable and logical choice.
Its quite simple really, but I can see how its easier to just make up a shit excuse for every arbitrary rule in our society than it is to reason with it.
>>75894500
Self interest results in a pretty "moral" world by Christian standards. Literally just treat others as you would want to be treated, because people will fuck you the same way you fuck them in reality.
>>75890274
>he reads metaphors literally
>>75893600
Relativism is relative.
You basically invalidate yourself by being relativist.
>>75894339
>Isn't this the whole argument of religion? If time creates irrelevancy, then isn't the entire Bible irrelevant by now?
Why put something away which is still relevant today. You don't seem to understand that change requires that new methods/informations are more useful than the old.
Something being old doesn't result in it being bad.
>getting morals from Joseph's wife's son and his nowhere to be seen father
No thank you.
>>75894245
you know what is also exceedingly unlikely? that everything in the universe just came out of a huge explosion bc...reasons??? There has to be a consciousness that pervades all of reality (God) for this to make sense.
>>75894616
>bu..bu...but idz a medaphor guize, matthew was only pretending to be retarded
>>75893679
okay we will go though this step by step from an philosophical perspective -
Firstly if there is no ultimate source to define what morality / human action should be; this requires I create my own morality or adopt the cultural morality of those around me.
If there is no baseline for morality in religion but I do not believe in moral relativism, then I must use a secular moral logic (see locke, kant, hobbes) to find a way in which we can logically create rules to promote a healthy relationship between humans
If i do not use this I must use "humanism" or the belief that there are innate moral guidelines in the "instinct" of homo sapiens ( not only is this scientifically unsubstantiated but history debunks this ideological lens as well).
> as you can see its really hard not to become a moral relativist if you have no concrete doctrinal guidebook with absolute authority
>>75894500
>But on a more important point is that all that matters? self interest?
The vast majority of human actions are done in self-interest. Even the Golden Rule is an establishment of egoism.
However, this isn't inherently good/bad: it just is. People can try and weasel they're way around it, but self-interest is a rule of behavior. Whether it's good or bad is contextual.
>>75892951
Atheism predates Christianity for whites.
Personally I would much rather trust someone who was good to other people because of his own morality, rather than someone who was good only because some book told them to
Really makes you think
>>75892545
if you follow morals and convert before you die youll basically count as christian.
Just dont oppose christian beliefs, ignore them if you dont want to accept them yet
>>75894087
Did I hurt Carlos feefees :) ? Now, how much you have sinned this year? How much have you given to the poor? Remember, lying adds to your naughty list.
>>75894438
yeah pretty much. most ppl live like they will never die and that they arnt responsible for their actions desu. or to say it in a different way most ppl are functional atheists/materialists even if they don't espouse that.
>>75890162
Once upon a time, someone had to pick and choose which morals to put into their religion.
>2016
>believing in superstitions
ISHYGDDT
>>75893970
>>75894080
Without US Christians funding Israel, it would crumble.
>>75890162
>atheists eat and have sex
>atheists BTFO!
>>75893600
Because the value isnt given by the individuals belief or disbelief - the bible claims that it is the infallible rule / law of an ineffable god : example - if you "dont believe" in a lion that is sitting across the room from you does that lion have any less "value"?
>>75890162
I think it's funny that theists use this argument to say that atheists are shitty people. The only thing keeping you from becoming a murdering-rapist is some bullshit story , and you call me the shitty one? I have morals because I actually care about other people and not because I think I'm going to suffer forever if I don't.
>>75890162
Atheists should read Romans 1 psalm 14 and Mathew 13
Reminder that Jesus was a kike.
Reminder to never trust kikes.
Not even Jesus.
>>75894777
>Even the Golden Rule is an establishment of egoism.
i have to disagree. golden rule is meant to teach genuine compassion. not be egoist self serving (although it can be used that way).
>>75894493
nice.
>>75894493
Atlas Shrugged is "factually false" because it's fiction, dildo face. At least Ayn Rand mentioned that after she published the manuscript, unlike the writers of the Bible.
>*get BTFO by redpilled Egyptian Pharaoh*
>WE WUZ PROFITS AND SHIT DA LORD RAYNED FIRE AND BRIMSTONE ON DEM EGYPTENS WE WUZ VICTORIOUS CHILLINS
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exodus#Historicity
>*get BTFO by based Assyria*
>OY VEY WE WUZ UNITED KINGDUMS AN SHIT
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Israel_(united_monarchy)#Archaeological_record
I'm mostly sad at how it negatively is effecting Europe. It's part of the reason their degenracy might never be fixed.
>>75890162
>he actually thinks religious people follow whatever their religion commands
>>75894608
but what if i get so powerful or so rich treating others how i would want to be treated no longer serves my self interest, which is what is happening in late capitalism. The upper strata are so powerful they no longer need to engage in societal give and take. just exploit.
>>75895325
Europe's issues are not atheists.
>>75895298
The Old Testament is disgusting and inferior to Indo European mythology. I for one cannot believe the ducking Old Testament is truth. The OT should have been replaced by Homer.
>>75894682
how so?
I'm atheist but I never signal as such. I have always believed that religion and a grounded system of morals and values is incredibly important for a people/society to remain stable.
Even when people reject religion, they end up embracing religion-by-another-name. For example, this wave of SJW progressivism. It's a fucking religion where you believe in unfalsifiable bullshit like institutionalized racism and cucking for minorities. It even has its own form of original sin, in white privilege.
I still go to mass and everything. I honestly wish I believed, but you can't consciously choose what you believe or disbelieve. And so when I raise kids, I'll raise them as catholics too and have them go to church and all that.
But honestly, catholicism is fucking cuckoldry nowadays. At least where I live. Priests from my childhood used to actually give powerful messages and have virtues. Now all they talk about is feelgood bullshit. Really vanilla crap about making sure you love everyone and blah blah blah. They never say anything important or impactful, because they just want to play it safe.
>>75890162
Yes, without religion there is moral relativism. It is a scary thought. That does not make Jesus Christ true. Faggot ass bitch.
>>75894742
But it is actually quite likely, since we have actual data on it, you retard. Do you think a bunch of guys in labcoat just decided one day to go with it just because?
No, you dumb sack of shit, it's because a lot of cosmological features (like background radiation) are better explained by a constantly expanding universes
AGAIN, this isn't a book passed around from sheepfuckers to sheepfuckers for a few millenia with a bunch of different copies and translation, it's fucking hard data that we can actually check right fuckign now.
>>75895715
Ideological dogmatism always wins.
Of the religions
Greek Mythology > Norse Mythology > Celtic Mythology > Greek Orthodox Christianity > Buddhism > Catholicism > Protestant Christianity > Judaism > Hinduism > Islam
>>75894369
> Hurr durr look im ethically superior because I can sit in my air conditioned middle class bedroom and declare that i would neeeevvveerrr partake in slavery
yeah...ohkay
>U guize civilization was founded on greek principals.. thats why man-boy love is legal, we can fuck dogs, sacrifice things on alters, speak Greek, and democracy is totally working..
oh wait :(
> Communism has nothing to do with atheism! dont you dare bring up all of those quotes from Marx, Stalin, Mao and others explaining the inseparability of the two...
> Traditional values totally are relative and flexible thats why aethieststststs have a massively higher rate of homosexuality and sexual degeneracy u guize :D
Fuck man did you even think before you wrote your argument?
If religion was synonymous with morality, Catholic Church wouldn't be ridden with pedos, Jews wouldn't be sucking baby dicks and Muslims wouldn't be raping and murdering
>>75895903
Exactly. Atheists love to proclaim that they are these perfectly scientific rational humans that have ascended beyond the religious proles, while at the same time believing in all sorts of bullshit.
The fact of the matter is that most people are not smart enough to handle rational scientific thought. The retarded masses need religion because without it, they just make a new de jure religion. Except the de jure religion has values that are antithetical to civilized society.
>>75895129
ok but without a subject the bible is just meaningless words on paper. You literally need a subject to give it any meaning. That fact that there have been centuries of war in europe over what the bible really means is proof it does not have objective meaning. It has the meaning you give it consciously or unconsciously.
>lion
it has nothing to do with ''more or less'' value. ex: an african tribes men will have a very different perception and place a very different value on that lion than someone who has no idea what a lion is.
>>75894746
>Jesus was literally teaching us to gouge our eyes out and cut our own hands off
>>75895823
we know something like the big bang happened bc of the reasons you stated but the materialist explanation for why or how it happened is basically ''bc it just did''. its literally a miracle that science can't explain.
>>75895550
And yet all the people allowing their cucking seem to be "progressive" atheists and the atheists that think they're helping are only faux helping and not getting to the core issue. See Sargon of Akkad for example great guy but his atheistic liberal values and him being misinformed on so much shit is exactly part of the reason Europe is fucked.
Stefan Molyneux is prob the most intelligent and least willfully ignorant atheist I know but he still gets touchy when people prove him wrong on religion, NASA, drugs, jews, etc.
>>75890162
So much hate, you already got yourself a ticket to Hell for forgetting to "love thy neightbor". Enjoy your Christ-AIDS, sheep.
>>75896532
>this person is talking out of their ass
there is plenty of mathematical research done to suggest that a big bang might've been the start of the universe and while we have no direct physical evidence there are numerous explanations in physics from people who are much much much more learned than you ever will be you fucking god sucking faggot
>>75896568
>Stefan Molyneux is prob the most intelligent and least willfully ignorant atheist I know
WEW LAD
>>75896174
>The fact of the matter is that most people are not smart enough to handle guns because I know I can't.
No, just no. Just because YOU cant fathom things more complicated than latest american idols or a two party """"democracy""" dosen't mean I don't have a good grasp on hard science.
>>75890162
>Establishing your moral code on jewish fairytales.
Good Goy.
>>75890162
Agnostic Master race reporting in, we do not know and can never know if there is a higher power.
>>75895996
>Judaism > Hinduism
Oh come on.
>>75896709
You are the one who is a faggot. He's not denying the big bang.
>>75890162
>people are free to pick and choose which morals they want to follow, and due to human nature they will throw these morals out the window for personal gain.
Good thing that has literally never happened with religion, right?
>>75890434
Every communist ruler replaced religion with their own cult like following. The crucifixes were replaced with paintings of chairman mao and prayers were replaced with devotions to the "great leader" of whichever country.
If anything communism has more in common with theocracies.
>>75896568
Merkel isn't an atheist for example. I don't think atheism is driving thought for Europe's issues.
Maybe it is more common amongst the masochistic authoritarian progressives but it's just foot note in my mind.
>>75890162
im an atheist tranny gun loving trump supporter. Do i fit in in /pol/ ?
>>75895996
>Buddhism > Catholicism > Protestant Christianity
>>75896918
> literally a miracle that science can't explain.
UNSUBSTANTIATED UNSUBSTANTIATED UNSUBSTANTIATED UNSUBSTANTIATED
LABSTAH BACK
>>75896709
your missing the point. yes the big bang happened. but 1. the fact that it did happen without a consciousness behind it is extremely unlikely and 2. scientists have no idea of how or why it could have happened. Its science's 1 free miracle. to think it was just some random fart out in space is beyond stupid.
>>75891149
If we're using this logic, I don't remember athiests doing anything. Ever. Just whinge and jack off to loli threads.
Accomplish something yourself before criticizing others
>>75895014
lmao
this
christ-tards are fucking dumb.
time to put down the sand nigger tales.
>>75897197
>inb4 delirious death bed conversion
>>75897051
>you want me to substantiate a miracle
wew you materialist fags are dumb.
>>75897051
Nigger what?
The big bang theory IS the explanation for an observed phenomenon.
Scientists noticed that all matter in the observable universe could be tracked back to a single point. The only explanation for that is some kind of explosion where all observable matter was evolved into the form we recognize it as.
If you have a better explanation that can explain all of the evidence then have at it.
Protip: fairy tales aren't a better explanation
>>75892764
I believe you're thinking of Islam
>>75890162
>The problem with atheism is that they have no morals. Without religion people are free to pick and choose which morals they want to follow, and due to human nature they will throw these morals out the window for personal gain.
And hows that different from religion? You pick one or get one picked for you by you parents and if you can defenestrate these morals for personal gains
No you are retarded. Most everyone has moral guidelines they abide by and it is not exclusive to religion. For instance, many atheists have sets of principles they abide by for the greater good of society.
>>75895996
hinduism is top tier plebeian
>>75896964
Atheism has little to do with any political ideology. The modern case is that atheism is the new trendy thing and all the nu-male cucks who want to be progressive follow these trends and so are likely Bern victims as well.
So many people are fucking stupid, and religion helped keep them in line for a long time. With the rise of individualism any retard can get a platform.
>>75896787
I said most people, retard.
>>75897157
Would you bother to put in a few years to actually go deep in the subject, you would realize it wasn't just a random fart from space. Not gonna spoonfeed you, it's 00:30 here and I have work tomorrow.
>>75897535
most atheists pick up a moral ethic based on Christianity bc thats the culture they grow up in.
>>75897391
>you want me to prove my claim hah you guys are dumb
My claim is that you are a raging faggot who takes 11 inch cocks up your ass. I dont need evidence because its a miracle ;)
>>75890162
sick divide and conquer, shlomo.
>>75897780
>ethic based on Christianity
you mean based on ancient Greece?
>>75897780
My point still stands that people have a moral code whether religious or not
Even if you don't believe the bible there are still some good lessons in there
>>75890162
>they have no morals
Prove it
>Without religion people are free to pick and choose which morals they follow
Gee, it's almost as if, everyone does that regardless if they are religous or not
>>75897780
The commonly held morals in US predate Christianity.
>>75897455
ok. and ive admitted thats true. but science has no idea HOW OR WHY THE BIG BANG HAPPENED. Read that again so it sinks in. Thats why i called it science's 1 free miracle. the materialist explanation for the big bang boils down to 'oh it just happened one day' give me a fucking break guys.
read Hobbes and Aristotle
>>75897660
im not saying it is. im saying thats what materialists believe. personally i think the big bang was God's way of creating this physical reality dimension. not even a link or a name so i can look it up?
>>75898073
>but science has no idea HOW OR WHY THE BIG BANG HAPPENED
Except that's wrong too.
There are many theories but all of them are hard to prove since they happened so damn long ago.
The most common theory, to my knowledge, is that energy converted to matter (which we know is possible) and caused a domino effect like an atom bomb that shits out hydrogen.
>>75898073
>YOU DON'T KNOW WHY IT HAPPENED
>YOU JUST KNOW THAT IT DID
>SO GOD DID IT HAHA GET FUCKED ATHEIST
>>75898073
Shit niggah it's fine, you like your jew tales, we get it.
Just remember to actually thank the people that know better than you when you use litterally anything not made of natural wood
>>75898073
None of the possible answers require your god to exist.
science did it
/thread
>>75890162
>Without religion people are free to pick and choose which morals they want to follow, and due to human nature they will throw these morals out the window for personal gain
People do this even with religion, though.
I guarantee you anyone quoting Leviticus on homosexuality casually violates several of the other 75 things the book doesn't allow. It's particularly ironic when someone sports a Leviticus tattoo.
>>75897808
you can prove a miracle cuck. it just is.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/science/670781/There-IS-life-after-DEATH-Scientists-reveal-shock-findings-from-groundbreaking-study
>>75898363
>no anon, all of that happened but it was a fully formed designer that did it for us exactly how the theories say but he did it and then he maybe told some people in desert about it billions of years later.
Moderate right atheist here
You faggots are no different than Tip m'bananas
By all means yell at eachother in euphoria
>>75894827
The ultimate red pill - atheism predates all religions because there was no need to invent non belief
>>75897876
no Christianity destroyed most of the greek traditions and values and wasn't restored till the Renaissance/enlightenment but the plebian anti-intellectual majority in the U.S. never really embraced the enlightenment so they went straight from christian ethic to selfish consumerism and modern day popular culture in america is a combination of those two so atheists grow up in that like everybody else.
>>75893403
>small passage
Testing: Does Leviticus still apply today?
>>75890162
>Without religion people are free to pick and choose which morals they want to follow,
If only there was some way we could formulate some school of thought on what is and isn't moral. A framework in which we could consider the consequences and implications of different actions and use the knowledge thereof to arrive to general guidelines of behavior that do the most good for society and human advancement.
If only we could use this framework to establish some system of rules and infrastructure to enforce them.
Alas! How could we lowly humans ever hope to accomplish such a task? It's common knowledge after all that determining moral behavior is infinetely complicated compared to even the pinnacle of our greatest scientific knowledge. That a feeble human minds couldn't even begin to contemplate these questions. Only a supreme and all powerful being can give us guidance. We are completely and utterly helpless on our own.
>>75898055
they really don't. the founders had enlightenment values which go back to ancient greece but the majority don't really share those values. as an aside this sjw ethic is a result of the Christian ethic. pagan rome would have never been this cucked.
>>75890162
>Without religion people are free
>literally wanting to enslave people
>>75897051
What is the explanation for the big bang then, oh learned one. How did it happen? What initiated it?
>>75898363
>this whole post
>you are not retarded
Not only does the Big Bang Theory ( modified Lemaitre theory ) fail completely at answering the why question(metaphysics) it also ,and now comes the part that mathematically illiterate fedoras cannot comprehend, takes a predetermined (axiomatically) frame ( quantum foam ) from which the lifetime of our universe is interpolated. Universe is ,according to BBT, not created from nothing despite what fedoras all over the world have to say.How about you stop smoking smoking weed and watching Michio Cuckhold and actually bother to learn about things you are shitposting?
>>75890162
False, I'm an atheist with morals
>>75890162
>Without religion people are free to pick and choose which morals they want to follow,
Religious people do this as well, except they have their imaginary sky gods to justify their immoral behavior.
>tfw agnostic atheist
>tfw appreciate the things religion has done for society, mostly Christianity though since islam is barbaric sandnigger scribbles
>tfw people would say that I'm quite a "moral" person despite never growing up with religion at all
>tfw still get called a fedora tipper
why guys
why must you be so cruel
>>75897660
>Not gonna spoonfeed you
He doesn't know.
>>75898955
Nope -
Because Leviticus (as you can probably tell by the name) was directed a the tribe of "Levi" one of the 12 tribes of Israel, after Christ returned he entered the faithful into "A new covenant" thats why it makes no sense to reference Leviticus as an obligation as a believer unless you are an orthodox Jew
>>75898518
no but God is the most likely answer.
>>75898363
Where did energy/matter come from?
>>75899249
> thinking being a degenerate meth pounding homosexual is freedom
>>75899445
>Universe is ,according to BBT, not created from nothing despite what fedoras all over the world have to say
And where did I say that?
Energy can not be created or destroy it can only change forms.
And since we know E=MC^2 we have a conversion factor between energy and matter.
There's no reason to doubt that energy was converted to matter and, more importantly, I said it was only one theory out of many.
So put the thesaurus down and chill the fuck out.
>>75898073
You are like a little child who just asks why to everything. Like as if not knowing one thing proves that everything else is false
>>75898621
>http://www.express.co.uk/news/science/670781/There-IS-life-after-DEATH-Scientists-reveal-shock-findings-from-groundbreaking-study
>However, the study from the University of Southampton shows people still experience awareness for up to three minutes after they had been pronounced dead.
>However, the study from the University of Southampton shows people still experience awareness for up to three minutes after they had been pronounced dead.
Thats literally it. There is no life after death, its a shitty clickbait title and all it says is that the brain can still function for a FEW MINUTES after a person is pronounced dead. Thats literally it
>>75890162
>have no morals
you got it backwards. religious people have no morals. Athiests are the only one's who can possibly have morals. Most atheists are humanitarians.
>>75898382
>le strawman
Christians don't say, you can't explain it therefore god. Atheists say, big bang therefore no god. Both are illogical statements.
>>75899750
see
>>75899853
Energy (and thereby, matter) can neither be created nor destroyed.
It has always been.
>>75898363
how the fuck was there energy b4 the big bang? the materialist explanation REQUIRES that matter/energy materialize out of literally nothing. That is a miracle my friend.
>>75899750
could be other universes colliding with ours, could be a quantum particle jumping into our universe
>>75890162
>Without religion people are free to pick and choose which morals they want to follow
This root assumption is false and therefore the rest of your post is false too.
>>75899717
The why do christfags want the 10 commandment printed in courthouses if old testament got abrogated? 10 commandment where from exodus.
>>75890274
>Cucktheist moral
Did you watch when Chad, Ahmed, and Bubacar gang banged your daughter ?
>>75900010
so where was the matter/energy before the big bang?
>>75900013
>how the fuck was there energy b4 the big bang?
Why wouldn't there be?
It can't be created so you're either suggesting something that completely redefines physics (if so, congrats on that nobel prize) or is complete bullshit.
>>75900010
>things exist forever into the past
wew lad
>>75900084
its so degenerates like yourself don't bring faginess into the lord's world
>>75900010
>>75900133
Energy isn't always conserved. They just teach you that in high school because it is always true for most reactions and forces that you will deal with unless you become an astrophysicist.
>>75900034
Where did the other universes come from?
>>75900133
What the fuck kind of question is that?
That's like asking
>where was air yesterday?
Everywhere...I guess?
>>75900133
It was there. Dude, he fuckign said it to you
>>75899904
> Hurrdurr atheists are humanists and moral :D
Lmfao tell that to Stalin you pleb
>>75890162
As an atheist I totally agree with this. We should keep the religion alive. Atheism is for the strong willed only.
>>75899867
when that 1 thing is the most crucial thing then yes. stay triggered. you can only get to the source by asking why.
>>75900303
I would love to see your list of reactions where energy is not conserved.
>>75900084
Because we follow the law of Jesus, not mosaic law. The law of Jesus is the ten commandments, commanded directly by God for all time. Not written by humans for first millennium BC Israelites.
>>75900084
>constantly posts pictures of unironic fedoras
>calls other people faggots
Ohkay.
>>75900554
Then get that physics or mathemathics doctorate and start workign already.
>>75899969
>Atheists say, big bang therefore no god
Lol nobody says this except for religiotards putting words in others mouths
>>75900522
This.
The masses can't handle atheism at all, they just turn their desire to worship inward on morally bankrupt hedonistic impulses and collapse society.
>hurr durr the gorillas life was worth more than the childs
>>75900563
Not reactions of course. There are weird quantum mechanical situations where energy is not conserved.
>>75899887
have some more clickbait then homosexual. Sorry the fact that God exists triggers you so much.
http://www.collective-evolution.com/2015/05/17/the-top-5-medical-miracles-that-science-cant-explain-or-can-it/
>>75900834
Such as.
>>75900936
I'm looking for it senpai give me a second
>tfw you tip your fedora so hard it falls off
>>75900219
don't scientists claim the big bang was the start of matter/energy for this universe? How did it exist before the start?
>>75899853
>he makes another retarded post showing off his high school level of knowledge of physics
You do realize that your view of Big Bang is factually false? What part of my post did you not understand? There is no energy outside of QF which is,and I repeat myself, axiomatically taken. Why the fuck did you rant on about energy you absolute cretin? Energy that you are talking about is significant only in phase transitions (topological deformities that emerge) within the inflation period,not during the "inception" of our universe. Energy literally does not exist in frames we are talking about and you, my dense Americoon friend, have literally no fucking idea what you are talking about. I hate retards like you who feel entitled ti spew out pop sci bullshit because they watched Cosmos or Minutephysics videos. You are cancer,kill yourself.
>>75895715
Traditional Catholicism is still pure and strong. Go to a Latin Mass.
>>75901077
Don't priests claim that God created all matter/enerygy in this universe? What made him?
>>75890162
That's retarded, and so are you
>>75900522
Nietzsche went mad from STDs and died a crippled man. Nihilism is the second stage in aethism followed by Absurdism written about by a french author whose name slipps my mind at the moment "cumo" or something like that.
>Stronk ppl are only fit foe aethiesmsm we duh uber mench nekbeerdz
history seems to disagree with you
>>75901077
The only claim any actual scientist will ever make about the big bang is that all of the mass in the observable universe derived from a single point. Anything beyond that is conjecture or their personally accepted theory.
> People blaming "Atheist leaders" for their crimes despite the fact they didn't do it in the name of Atheism.
>Atheism is not a religion, it is a lack of one.
>Not understanding this in the current year.
>MFW.
>>75900293
>>75900594
>law of Jesus is the ten commandments
>Because we follow the law of Jesus, not mosaic law
>10 commandment given in exodus, 2nd book of old testament
Holy shit that level of dissonance!
Well, if the 10 commandments still apply, do you support killing doctors and nurses working on weekends? They are breaking the sabbath.
>>75900341
so it was everywhere then localized???
really bad analogy btw.
>its a "christian projects his immoral nature onto atheists" episode
>>75898322
Since you asked nicely.
First, Imma dissapoint you a bit. No single book, even less a link will have the whole story. I assume you to be a rational adult, so read "A brief history of time" by Hawking first. It will give you some kind of a grasp about the subject and you understand a bit better what other authors are trying to sell you.
Not claiming that big bang might have been just an act of god, but I prefer science. Cause with science I can check if the logic holds and if it dosen't, to the trash it goes.
you shouldn't have morals or rules at all
you should always consciously evaluate every situation you're in and not blindly follow rules, whether they come form god or you made them up in your mind using various rationalizations
if you have rigid rules they can be used with combination of mental gymnastics to justify actions that are obviously immoral
>>75901253
god is beyond supposedly matter and universe he's infinite, the beginning and end
>>75901336
Except for the part where they run around preaching on morality, philosophy, their beliefs and trying to convince people to join their way of thinking...
You guys definitely had me fooled.
>>75900801
>hurr durr the gorillas life was worth more than the childs
Of course it was, the child was a niglett.
>>75901133
>There is no energy outside of QF
This has never been proven, you sperg.
None of this has.
Your theory make take that "fact" axiomatically but there is absolutely no EVIDENCE for it.
It is one of several theories where the only KNOWN fact is that the universe came from a single point.
Again, put the thesaurus down and chill the fuck out.
>>75901336
then why are atheist priests blessing tunnels in sweden
>>75901454
>god is beyond supposedly matter and universe he's infinite, the beginning and end
So you don't know?
Then fuck off retard. The difference between science and religion is that scientists don't claim to know everything. Pointing out something science can not explain doesn't prove anything. Pointing out something religion can not explain does.
>I need a sandnigger book to give me my morality
>>75901253
God has always been and is timeless.
>>75901381
You know what i meant, retard.
It's a non-question with no real answer.
>>75901391
There are no Christians on 4chan.
What you see here is a bunch of atheists roleplaying in an attempt to fit in, and trying to make it a white pride thing.
>>75890162
>Without religion people are free to pick and choose which morals they want to follow, and due to human nature they will throw these morals out the window for personal gain.
But that's true of people with religion too.
Just because you are religious doesnt mean you have a moral high ground i have been an atheist since high school i havent raped a small boy once unlike the guys Vatican or the guys in mecca
>>75901670
My pet dragon is also timeless
>>75901133
> Omg! an atheist being a pseudo intellectual and using words like "cretin" on the internet
Fuck i wish i could be surprised, this is why most new atheists jumped ship, you became a toxic living meme unaware of your own hypocritical nature.
>>75900219
>>75900341
>>75900563
You must be baiting,nobody is this retarded. As for the examples of conservstion of energy being broken look up Noethers theorem ( Brans-Diecke formalization is lucid,as well as Heims 6D models ) and FRW uniformity in cosmology. M-theory is also chuck full of various abstract algebra field anomalies concerned with energy conservation. I do not know why I even bother with this.
>>75901737
This is what I think.
Or it might just be newfags. We already sorted out that agnostic atheism is the only smart position years ago on this site.
>>75901670
And this leads to the usual question
>If god doesn't need a creator then why does matter?
>>75901133
those Croat bants
>>75901906
It's a croatian and a few stupid stupid hicks
Nobody worth caring for.
>>75901650
how am I a retard? I am not christian, I was talking from christian perspective that's why I said supposedly
of course I don't know, religions doesn't claim to know everything, and they make claims almost excursively about stuff that is out of domain of science, at least for now
>>75901336
Gross.
You
>Greentext
like a fucking tumblrite
> "wow just wow its the current year!!!!!"
>>75893953
Phrase it that way: I want to live in a world where people have moral principles. What's the first course of action? Well, have morals of course. What's the second course of action? Spreading the word.
>>75901945
Why does what matter? God?
>>75890162
Ok akmehd fuck off back to the shithole you came from you know its just a matter of time before every religion including Atheism curb stomps your ass back to mudskin land.
>>75902061
>religions doesn't claim to know everything
But that's wrong
>>75900718
>putting words in others mouths
You started it.
>>75890162
You cherrypick the morals from christianity, you moron. Just like muslims cherrypick morals from islam.
>>75890162
Well it's fucking sad that you need a book to tell you what to do in life
>>75902098
You base your argument for god on the assumption that matter needs a creator but then say god doesn't.
If god doesn't then matter doesn't and, therefore, there's no need for god.
>>75901379
>gathering wood on the sabbath
>not worthy of death
Just be glad you're not justified by works anon.
>>75902124
theat's when religions and it's teachings start to get disorted loose thier essence and start turning into cults
seriously you may as well go argue with creationists
Proof that underage b& is infested this board
>>75890162
Agnostic masterrace. I'll answer for my life happily but am not going to add extra baggage. Not a converter though I wouldn't dare mess with someone elses happiness, unless of course it infringes upon mine in which case; go fuck yourself.
