I have never noticed this many before.
It seems to be a huge community all out of sudden all around the internet
Is the west dropping in IQ?
shitposting tactic to tar the alternative media with crazy think
99.99% of them are shills, trolls and schitzos.
>>75840112
same shit with the hologram planes on 9/11 etc...
>>75840010
>Is the west dropping in IQ?
>he asked on /pol/
wew, just wew
>>75840010
Circular earth theory doesn't make sense. How does the world spin around perfectly every season instead of flipping wildly like a coin in the wind?
>>75840466
> coin in air
>>75840466
1st - there's no wind in space
2nd - the earth does "Flip around" as in changes its axis, only it takes thousands of years for it to be tangible.
>>75840010
The Earth is obviously flat if you just walk around on it. Spherical Earth theory is designed to keep people believing in materialism and consumptionism, that somehow space exploration will solve everything by finding another ball of rock. Well, the Earth is far bigger than the surface of the sun and you can prove it with simple trigonometry. The Greeks measured the sun and moon, just as they accurately measured the diameter of the Earth.
Take the red pill. Don't chase the SciFi Jew.
>>75840112
it's so obvious desu.
>>75840673
plz be bait
poisoning the well to make legitimate conspiracy theories look silly.
>>75840010
>I have never noticed this many before.
Simple. They're the right-wing equivalent of 3rd Wave feminists.
Meaning they sponge off actually concerned people in order to push a full retard agenda.
>>75840466
what this>>75840617 anon said
>flatearthers
>>75840940
Sadly most Americans are dumber then this man.
Purge us please!
>>75841660
You fucking cuck, I bet you want to apologize to japan about making their ass radioactive as well.
Most americans aren't as dumb as fucking you obviously, go fall on a sword somewhere else you fucking white male
>>75841886
>Projecting this hard
Small penis detected.
>>75840010
Some rapper shit posted about it a few months back. Ended up in popular culture through that and here we are.
>>75840010
It's a God-tier Red Pill.
>>75842049
it started here like 2 weeks before that
>>75840010
its just some kind of long troll / experiment intended to get people to openly debate absurdities and see what the effects are.
>>75840010
When people have been lied to for so long, and finally begin to understand how deep the lies go, they begin to question everything.
>>75840010
Maybe they've discovered the Red Pills and just didn't have the brains to know where to stop.
Yes, the west's IQ is dropping.
There's barely anyone left who knows that the earth is a cube.
The flat earth is probably the biggest redpill there is. Watch any of the videos on ODD TV'S channel covering it with objective fact and if you want to be willfully ignorant and let cognitive dissonance and your emotional attachment to a round earth dictate your life go for it after you've seen the hardest evidence there is.
>>75843055
>earth is a cube
That would be fun. Gravity wouldn't always appear to go straight down depending on where you are. Things could fall obliquely, lakes would level with a slope, etc. And on the edges of the cube gravity would be lower.
>>75840010
Honestly I think the majority of them are just shitposting.
It's the hollow earthers you have to look out for>>75840112
>>75840010
ITS SHITPOSTING JUST LIKE THIS FUCKING THREAD. If you care about it why are you fucking bringing it up so this cancer gets talked about more?
saged
>>75843301
saged fuck off
>>75844047
>>75844124
Europe and America look smaller on a globe. The jews want us to believe we are geographically insignificant.
>>75844124
Uh but that's wrong you fucking retard that only applies to the Sun not the Moon the Moon is in the firmament the sun is not and if you watch videos about the Sun going away guess what it gets farther away because it's an object in the sky moving why so perception allowed to move farther like a hallway so you just got proven wrong mother fucker try again faggot. Again like I said before you start spouting nonsense watch the videos watch the oven and I wouldn't have to be just rebutting you instantly with something that quick and that easy if you just watched the fucking videos.
>>75840112
This. They're just sliding better threads.
>>75840466
Good thing the Earth is spherical and not circular
>>75840010
Nah nah you got it all wrong
People pretend to be Flat earthers to practice their debate skills against the sphere earthers
that's it really
>>75841518
jesus, now i want a world where old ships just sail upside down everywhere for comedic value.
>>75840010
Heres a cool picture about flat earth if you want
You bunch of bait eating faggots will argue about anything.
>>75841886
> go fall on a sword somewhere else you fucking white male
Jesus, it's like you can see with every word how the penis retracts into a null existence.
>>75840010
>Is the west dropping in IQ?
Yes. Some say that it's due to the massive influx of lower IQ immigrants.
>>75845364
http://www.upi.com/Health_News/2013/05/23/Last-century-Western-nations-lost-an-average-14-IQ-points/UPI-77081369362633/?spt=hs&or=hn
>>75840112
>>75840954
>>75843550
>>75844047
>>75844682
>>75844999
Yeah sure it's all just bait guys. And /pol/ is just satire and /b/ has people with the highest IQ and /v/ isn't full of hipsters.
>>75840466
you do know you can observe the curve of the earth with a boat going out to sea.
>>75844584
isn't that due to an actual effect that documented as a side effect of trying to convey spherical maps to a flat one?
Shills. Nobody will take any conspiracy theory seriously, if you group conapiracy theories with shit like that. The momemt you will use this word, people immidiately imagines shit like this.
>>75845289
See that's how you can circumnavigate the flat earth! Just sail around one of those concentric lines. The thing is that it's very difficult to sail on a straight line over such distances, so they didn't notice they were actually following a circle.
>they're only stupid now because they haven't had time to develop really good bullshit like creationists or Jews
>in 5-10 years there will be flat earth conspirators on full force everywhere with really fucking stupid but believably-stupid arguments instead of this shit we have now that sounds ironic and shitposter-ish
Your day will come, kikes.
>>75840010
Pretty sure it's just thread-sliding shill-posting to distract users from legitimate topics and also to discredit the general quality of discourse at /pol/.
Visitors will see flat-earth threads, think "this place is full of tinfoil nutjobs", and leave, ignoring important information like rapefugee threads, black crime statistics, and other important topics.
...of course, it could also be that tinfoil schizophrenics have discovered /pol/ and think it's a great platform to post their psuedoscience.
>>75840010
flat earthers are just shills covering for the fact that gravity as we know it doesn't exist and relativity is a jewish lie
there are no black holes
the big bang never happened
suck mai dick
>>75845643
Gravity is probably fake and just used to justify that bullshit. Hypothetical mathematics rarely turn out to be fact when they coincide with hypothetical physics.
>>75845627
>general quality of discourse at /pol/.
yeah because minus the Trump general the discourse of /pol/ is so so enriching
>>75840466
>>75840339
>>75840241
>>75840112
Typical goyim falling for the round earth Jew. Don't you fucking get it
>Shekel
>The Hebrew word shekel is based on the verbal root for "weighing"
The Earth is a giant fucking Shekel. The root for shekel is "weighing" aka fucking gravity! The Jews are so blatant about this, their currency is a blatant analogy to acquiring more power by controlling the global shekel.
>>75845643
There is no gravity! The flat earth is just constantly accelerating upwards.
>>75845814
Kek, except that would mean that the acceleration constant derived from experiments would show exactly the same everywhere at any place, the constant in question replacing gravity, while actual experimentation shows differing values for g depending on factors of altitude and location.
>>75840010
Same can be said about socialists. I'm seeing way more commies than the last two obongo campaigns combined
>>75845814
gravity is just a theory :p
If the Earth was really moving at 60,000mph we would fall off
>>75846015
Oh huhhh yeah, spacetime is still curved though. There are pockets and bubbles everywhere. But NO gravity!
>>75846197
dayum skippy. at least, until somebody in the far, far future decides it would be hilarious to somehow fling one somewhere.
>>75846197
>flat earthers that believe in space
Why?
>>75846311
Actually, since gravity is a jewish lie, gravimetry and all that probably can't be trusted. The people involved in that may be lying and the instruments made to give false readings, etc.
>>75846507
But anon, i'm not even jewish and have tested it myself, with the equipment literally being no more advanced than some shaped metal, a spring, a steel ball, a steel rod, some chalk and a measuring tape along with some pen and paper. if you can somehow make solid metal give false readings then i applaud you.
>>75840010
What the hell is this picture?
Stadia?
Why are they using ancient Greek units?
>there are people that think the world being a sphere is absurd
>the sun, moon, and stars still are spherical.
>>75847064
The sun, moon, and stars are optical illusions created by Jews to trick the goyim into funding NASA
>>75846716
The earth also has a slight magnetic pull that gets weaker as you get farther.
>>75840010
Trump voters crawling out of the woodwork. They figure that, compared to him, they don't look as insane as they did just last year.
>>75847101
i had no idea NASA existed since the beginning of humanity.
>>75847162
The Jews play the long game
>>75846867
Because that's the demonstration Erathostene did in 600 BC
It's trolling, isn't it?
They're not actually serious.
>>75840010
i'm proud to be here for the launch of this fresh new meme, and looking forward to seeing whether it births actual flat earthers into existence
maybe i'll even be one of them
>>75847101
All those jewish optics in the telescopes.. can't trust any of those.
>>75847117
>republicans are so anti-science
>literally no differences between women and men or white people and niggers, spics and jews
juden plz
>>75840010
It's a CIA discrediting operation akin to the original UFO hype. They want these hyper-absurd theories floating around to reinforce the concept of conspiracy nuts. That way when people come forward with realistic government conspiracies, they can rile the public into saying "oh I bet you believe in ___ too!" before dismissing them. This one ramped up recently to prepare for the '16 election, since they knew it would be jam-packed with discussions on Clinton/Bush no-goodery.
>>75840010
Some of them are trolls, some of them are just trying to convince the gullible to believe it to destroy credibility.
>>75847064
>looks at a circle in the sky
>IT'S CLEARLY A GLOBE HURR DURR
>"How do you know this if all you see is a circle?"
>"NASA SAID-
Fucking globe heads
>>75847725
nah it's just bored retards like me looking to debate absurd crap
Zika Virus
>>75848187
You would say that.
So... really though...
Are you a big guy?
>>75848286
maybe
>>75845643
gravity is just inertia when applied to moving systems
redshift is an illusion
einstein was a cuck
REEEE
>>75844584
we are not great because we have the most land
we are awesome because of something within ourselves and our cultures
the land we own is only awesome because we own it
>>75848509
But the Patriarchy is real!
REEEE
>>75845289
how does gravity work on this?
>>75840010
Not saying the earth is flat. But there are fishy things regarding our official information regarding space
NASA admits we are unable to pass the van allen belts today
Those intense layers of radiation between here and the moon
Yet we did so in the 60s?
And never went back.
Last civilians, non nasa employees to go up to space exploded before they could get there
Nasa also admits to an incredible amount of images of earth being composite i.e.photoshopped. a quick google search of 'satellites in space' affirms this. Which is another thing.
Officially there are over 5000 satellites orbiting earth. Where are the photos and videos to confirm this?
If the earth was rotating and orbiting the sun for hundreds of thousands of miles per hour and the sun itself is moving at millions of miles per hour.... And its been this way for billions of years Why do we see the same exact constellations over and over again
That space jump guy... Went above earth. Very high. Where the earths spin should be noticeable both visibly and physically. He stayed up there for hours. Then jumped...only to be a few mere miles from the ascension point.. when he should have landed thousands of miles away
If the moon landing was fake when officially its otherwise
Why believe anything they say regarding astronomy.
>>75848643
I would assume from the point of the artist/writer that it would fall on the old general sensibility of 'down is down' and didn't have too much thought to gravity. For anything of that shape to actually be sustained it would either have to be impossibly strong to not just collapse into a sphere anyway or have some weird toroidal gravitational well towards the edges as well as a central well .
>>75848583
FASCISM! WHITE SUPREMACY!
You guys need tolerance concentration camp.
The earth is flat you fucking shills.
>>75844814
Oblate spheroid actually.
>>75848882
Could you provide some citation for some of this? not giving a lot to refute here, cuz a lot of this seems to be opinionable crap mixed with misleading information.
>>75848916
sounds pretty cool
would a spinning system with a massive object in the middle also work?
>>75848990
yeah
build a high fence around all white people so that the poor People of crime dont have to interact with us anymore
>>75848635
c'mon now nigga you sound less credible than a flat earther
and those can be denounced with a cesna or a telescoep
>>75849192
Not too sure, see a spinning system in that configuration that would not fall apart would have the central mass overpower the centripetal force generating the 'gravity' of the outer edges. or is it centrifugal? god, i know what i'm talking about mostly but i can never get the damn names right if there's more than one to similar forces.
>>75848882
t. lack of sources
>>75848882
also, shit bait
>>75846867
Look it up.
Basically, he new that on one day of the year, the sun would shine straight down that well (ie the sun passes directly overhead on that day, at midday). A year later, he measured the shadow of a tall building so many Stadia away, and by doing some geometry (calculating distances and angles etc) he was able to work out the diameter of our SPHERICAL earth to bout 8% accuracy.
Fucking Legend
>>75848882
proofs blease :DD
>>75847725
Pretty sure this guy is right about the motivation
except is it CIA driven or SJW or JEW or NSA or NRA or...
>>75840010
>Why is there suddenly a huge influx of flat earthers?
There isn't, what are you sliding?
>>75849162
>>75849617
Van allen belt complications
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NlXG0REiVzE
http://www.nasa.gov/image-feature/goddard/lro-earthrise-2015/
Composite imagery. Multiple similar official nasa releases
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_Challenger_disaster
last Civilians to be launched up there
Satellite count:
http://www.pixalytics.com/sat-orbit-2015/ compare against lack of confirming footage
Look into the space jump yourself. Common sense really
>>75840010
Psy-ops.
Based Varg explains it very well. https://youtu.be/DPxri6_91ww
>>75840010
I began to notice increasing numbers of their comments on youtube too, ~1-0.5 year ago. Thought its just new forced le funny meme at first.
Also space-flying technology existence denial
>>75850479
Watch lunar eclipse see curved earth shadow... Happens about x2 per year. Who needs rocket science to proof something that simple.
>>75849270
Oh really? I have video evidence:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZPnCMVwQFk
>>75850927
Not claiming flat earth see original post. Just disclaiming the fasle info we've been told about space.
However to humor you, saying the lunar eclipse is caused by sunlight has just as much credibility as claiming its caused by God.... When considering if all pictures, videos, and official nasa information regarding space is all false
>>75848882
>Officially there are over 5000 satellites orbiting earth. Where are the photos and videos to confirm this?
You can see many of them with cheap telescopes, some of them, especially ISS, with your bare eyes
>Where the earths spin should be noticeable both visibly and physically. He stayed up there for hours.
His ship spinned with the same angular speed as earth, from the moment he started to gain height. Also there is geostationary orbit, jewgle it
also, I just answered a bait, dont I?
OP it's not that there are more hyperfaggot retards than before, it's just simply that the internet has made them more visible to the rest of us.
>>75851479
>You can see many of them with cheap telescopes, some of them, especially ISS, with your bare eyes
https://www.google.com/search?q=telescope+images+of+satellites&client=ms-android-boost-us&prmd=isvn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiIyJO1monNAhVJVWMKHRYkCBUQ_AUICCgB&biw=320&bih=440#tbm=isch&q=telescopic+images+of+satellites
Kek. I've seen lights, but that doesn't confirm satellites.
>His ship spinned with the same angular speed as earth, from the moment he started to gain height.
Too bad it was a balloon
Nothing in the stratos jump mission specs mention his ship spinning at the same speed
>>75848882
>>75850479
Okie doke, time to refute. Let's start with the simpler ones.
>over 5000 sattelites, where is the evidence
Have you ever looked up at the night sky on a clear night? if you watch carefully on certain nights, you will notice what look like faint stars that move extremely fast across the night landscape, this can be found with telescopes or the naked eye. These are satellites which are reflecting light off of another part of the moon or the planet itself from the edges of the umbra. There are plenty more examples that can be found by searching, and if there weren't satellites up there then how would you explain such things as GPS or globally connected internet?
>last civilians exploded
Yes, the challenger disaster was a thing. it's also a well documented disaster. Furthermore, you should remember that NASA isn't the only space agency that exists here, Russian space programs, India and SpaceX are all well on their way to bringing back civilian space travel. The largest reason at the moment though is that current space travel requires training for a zero gravity environment, which is pretty much only handled by NASA and other space agencies.
>if the earth is moving extremely fast and so is the sun as it has been for billions of years why the same constellations
Well, the constellations we see aren't this itty bitty picture that close to us that they can move. The constellations we can see are made up of the uncountable stars in out local galactic arm of the milky way, which is also spinning, so even if our sun and it's relative orbits are spinning extremely fast the rest of the galaxy is spinning with it relatively as well. If the entirety of out orbit were to shift by several AU relative to our galactic arm we'd likely be able to see different constellations.
Now for the others.
1/2
>>75845732
are you saying Jews have gravity control?
>>75852744
>if you watch carefully on certain nights, you will notice what look like faint stars that move extremely fast across the night landscape, this can be found with telescopes or the naked eye.
You are unable to confirm these are satellites. You dont have pictures or videoes. They could be some thing else entirely with the same credibility
>These are satellites which are reflecting light off of another part of the moon or the planet itself from the edges of the umbra.
Because they tell you they are? The same agencies giving you composite images of earth as proof of its official appearance?
>Russian space programs, India and SpaceX are all well on their way to bringing back civilian space travel.
Yet they haven't yet, have they?
Heres an interesting thing: look up the official chinese moon landing. Look at how fake it fucking is. Other governments can lie too
>The constellations we can see are made up of the uncountable stars in out local galactic arm of the milky way, which is also spinning, so even if our sun and it's relative orbits are spinning extremely fast the rest of the galaxy is spinning with it relatively as well. If the entirety of out orbit were to shift by several AU relative to our galactic arm we'd likely be able to see different constellations.
Again this is proven how? You cant even see how thats measured. And by whom? NASA?
>>75848643
Gravity it's technically a theory since we don't know what exactly is. Many flath-eartherns doesn't believe in gravity.
>>75848882
>>75852744
2/2
>Stratos jump mission
If this man didn't truly manage to leave the atmospheric shell of the planet, he would still be roughly bound by air resistance, friction and be able to guide his flight path back to where he first ascension. You claim he 'stayed up there for hours' when the videos show he literally had a ten minute oxygen supply and a limited pressure suit so that he could perform his jump. He could have easily seen a curve of the planet, but he was nowhere near high enough for the relative motion of the planet to have spun his location out from under him without him achieving proper orbit. in order for that to happen he would have to be a little beyond geostationary orbit, where his orbit was greater than the rotation of the planet.
>Images of earth being composite i.e "shopped"
You seem to be confusing actual work with the idea that they're misleading people intentionally by faking things. Composite photos arise from the act of taking multiple angled shots in separate directions, seeing where their edges intersect and merging them together to make a roughly complete whole. Aside from the few missions and sattelites high enough to actually capture the earth in full this is commonplace everywhere. Hell, it's how the panorama functions used by google cars and modern phones do their jobs. Most of this work is done by computer algorithms, not people.
2/3 since apparently wordcount is a bitch.
>>75853335
>look up the official chinese moon landing
http://www.businessinsider.com/new-photos-of-the-china-moon-landing-mission-2016-2
Seems pretty legit. Also if it was fake wouldn't the American goverment or other rivals already said so? Same with Apolo deniers, btw. Why would the URRS help the US by covering the purposed fake?
>>75848882
>>75852744
>>75853421
3/3
and finally,
>The van allen belts
That video that you posted is really nothing more than assumptions made on information not even stated in the video, which focused solely on the orion project. the "Admission" wasn't even in the video at all, but twisting of the engineer saying that they needed to figure out how to properly shield their craft. You should remember that when the apollo missions happened, shielding was rather light on the crafts themselves with exception of the command module and lander because the technology used was robust and extraordinarily simple compared to today. Modern sensors and technology, while superior in many ways, are also quite sensitive in other ways. finding ways to shield it properly in a liveable module is different to back then. Another large difference is the actual spacesuits themselves. While the design has largely been unchanged in function, only improved upon, the suits themselves are shielded. As such, when the apollo astronauts crossed the van allen belts in the 60's, they had an extra layer of protection. When it comes to today, this same technology is easily applied again, and there was no specific evidence of a denial of being able to cross it, merely interpretation. If anything, with the resources today it is easier to cross the van allen belt due to more sophisticated materials. The large problem with lunar travel in modern time though is cost. While it can be done, more can be accomplished by utilising the same resources and a little bit more in order to work towards our neighbour mars, not the ball of dust and rock that is our moon.
Thanks a lot anon, you've given me something to think about and debate for the first time in quite a while and it's been an invigorating pull away from the bullshit of life.
>>75853335
You seem to be confusing NASA as some sort of massive overlord on space that kicks everyone else in the dick if they try to muscle in. I'll provide evidence shortly since pulling it up from everywhere takes a little bit.
The constellation stuff is confirmed not from NASA but countless astronomy groups worldwide, and is a widely accepted FACT. Plus, 'can't even see how that's measured' You should realise that if such a move were to happen the ENTIRE night skies around the planet would look vastly different to the star charts people have plotted over time, and it couldn't be accounted to astronomical drift.
Indeed, coming to your response you seem to be less interested in actual learning than just pinning everything on some big o'l conspiracy. give me five anyways.
>>75840010
>Is the west dropping in IQ?
I don't think this is the cause of the resurgence of flat Earth theory, though it does not help.
What we are witnessing, I think, is the complete erosion of trust that comes with social dissolution.
People simply do not trust anything anymore because they have become so used to abuse and deceit, especially from political and economic elites.
People have become so suspicious, for some well-founded reasons, that many no longer trust anyone that they perceive as being part of the establishment....for many this has come to include the sciences and scientific government agencies.
We are experiencing the rise of irrationality because, for so many, it is now rational to distrust any social institutions.
>>75847219
check out jeranism, he has a whole youtube channel dedicated to this.
>>75853983
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jEz03Z8azc
This is a link to the extremely recent, within the last week test of the first stage of the spaceX reusable stage rocket, in which the external camera mounted to the rocket shows in one part a somewhat curved section of horizon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOsOifg4Mm0
Here is a video of the orbiting ISS viewed from a ground home tripod camera, and in fact i have done this myself using the ISS tracker to see as it orbited past me one night.
looking at pretty much any stratos jump video viewing the camera attached to his balloon pod shows the counter, and it's the same with the 'composite' images, they literally explain how it is done and searching for the same procedure elsewhere than NASA's own site shows near the same procedure detailed and explained universally . You've managed to pull the same with your orion van allen video, which is little more than a secondary source as it is posted by another channel with it's own annotations which mislead.
As for the whole apollo shielding and such, there is mountains of data of that not covered by NASA existing throughout the internet, and much of it is based on solid science. a cursory google search will reveal as such.
I think i've covered just about everything here.
For bonus, here's some more satellite stuff.
http://tinyurl com zdsh35f
http://tinyurl com 43qb2ol - note the credit for this one, NOT NASA.
how do you KNOW that the earth is a globe?
i mean its highly likely what with the centuries of work on the subject but how do you really know.
how can you be 100 % certain.
I dont think you can
>>75855273
kek, by that logic nothing is ever certain, and we should refer to that one episode of rick and morty.
>>75855406
its still logic.
you can't pick and choose
>>75840112
>99.99% of them are shills, trolls and schitzos.
They were shills initially. Now I think many are unironic flat-earthers and they're growing. They pop up on Youtube when it comes to anything regarding Earth and Cosmos.
And this started suddently around 2013-2014. And then there's the "Moon is a hoax" people.
Holy shit.
>>75848882
FOR CHRISTS SAKE
STUDENTS MAKE FUCKING ROCKETS AT ROCKET SCHOOL AND LAUNCH SHIT INTO SPACE ALL THE TIME
ITS NO BIG DEAL ANYMORE
GODDAMNIT WHY THIS SHIT
>>75854944
just because you saw a light in the sky and NASA confirmed it does not guarantee that there is a space station up there.
i believe that there is and so do you but thats just it,
belief
>>75854051
This guy gets it.
Antiintellectualism is the first step to ceasarism followed by second religiousness (resurgence of indigenous European religion).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dpof96pVx-c
>>75855831
But NASA didn't confirm it anon, i have with my telescope. it's a pretty distinctive shape.
all flat earthers are muslims. the sudden influx is thanks to the "syrian" "refugee" "crisis"
>>75855761
not an argument\? or do you feel that is is
>>75840010
I know why
BUT YOU WOULDNT BELIEVE ME
You may not be able to handle the truth
>>75855896
I'm inclined to believe you but thats just more belief. post pics?
>>75856026
I'd love to, but my telescope isn't that kind of telescope sadly. it's just a shitty twenty dollar one that half fallen apart. also from prior experience trying to show my friends the moon surface the camera doesn't actually work through the lens and just returns a big ol white square of reflection from the mirror. i can see if i can find some on the net if you wish though, there's more people than me from observatories who've seen it.
>>75853645
IF indeed space is a hoax of some sort then All nations would have to be in it together..
(a bit like the antarctic treaty)
Most of you are not really getting it at all.
The fact that the Earth is round or flat is unimportant.
The important thing here is that there is a doubt.
This doubt is not a thing to be taken lightly nor an idea that appeared naturally.
Something big is happening and this is just a reflection of it.
>>75846352
space is a lie. the earth is hollow. the universe ends outside of the "planet"
>>75856189
ok bud, fair play.
I have looked into this many times and I'm not sold either way.
the light in the sky argument backed up by the tracking system isn't good enough for me but on the other hand you have said that you have seen it with your own eyes, its distinct shape I mean.
I guess ill have to try it myself one day!
>>75856365
well said mate
could we try to make a model in auto CAD to settle this horizon to eye level argument and the ships over the horizon thing?
perspective seems to let us down
>>75856026
>>75856470
also fun to note is this little site
http://www.n2yo.com/satellites/?c=30
it has tracking of not just the ISS, but a good majority of registered sattelites and can track their orbital paths. Still looking btw, have consolation in the form of my half broken telescope. Apparently i've managed to lost the focus lens too.
>>75856365
>>75856509
Indeed, very well said. It actually shakes me somewhat that doubt like this can still exist in a world where things can be tested by the majority should they be inclined to put in the effort to do so.
>>75856365
Spain speaks the truth.
>>75856789
I dont know much about telescopes but the more you describe yours the less I believe that you have seen the ISS 'clearly' through it lel
that thing looks like a toy and every post you add another bit that missing lol
i like you but are you pulling my leg?
I'd like to think its up there, i really would.
also the satellite tracking is bullshit unless you can actually see the satellites 'clearly'
i personally am yet to see a single photo of a satellite in orbit. the amateur astronomers i follow claim they have never seen a satellite either
Why has no one mentioned that in order for the world to be flat, all the water in the Earth would be pouring out of Earth and needs to be an infinite source of water, also has it occurred to people which part of the earth is flat? People from all over the world travel to different places of the world. If the world is flat, then aircraft flight to certain destinations isn't possible. Another point is what the point of people withholding information that the Earth is flat? What can I do with the information that the Earth is round?
>>75857147
Surprisingly i thought it was a toy at first too, but it turned out to be not bad, and does an adequate job of what it does, but is still on the lighter end. came with a 6mm and 20mm lens, god knows what i did with them. i've also got another one out back that's properly tripod mounted with wood and everything but it's 11pm here and winter, i haven't stargazed in a month or so because the friggin ice freezes my telescope if i leave it outside.
Should also mention for scale that the telescope broken in the pic is against a cabinet that's 2.5m tall and i had to back a metre or so away to actually fit what was there into my shitty camera frame., assembled the pic one is fairly high, other one similar in height but with a longer tube and far wider. Pic related, broken one carefully balanced.
>>75840010
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>>75848882
for starters, the earth is not a perfect round sphere yet we are shown it is one:
"abyssal plains cover more than 50% of the Earth’s surface.[1][2] They are among the flattest, smoothest and least explored regions on Earth"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abyssal_plain
even the usgs is complaint with it on tectonic plate theory:
"If this uplift did not take place, the relentless force of erosion would reduce the Earth's landscape to a single flat plane. "
http://walrus.wr.usgs.gov/infobank/programs/html/school/moviepage/08.01.03.html
sinking ships to prove curvature is debunked easily:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ql_TTguKxnE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdwIMtz8owI
and then you have the assholes at NASA ignoring heliocentric theory all together with a precise mathematical calculation for practical applications. pic related.
It started out as shills mocking /pol/ but then actual retards and people who thought it was funny starting spamming it and it went from there.
>>75857793
dude shut up
Bitches don't know bout my pendulum.
>>75857793
I like you, you use evidence to back things up as well. also kek, i imagine that those NASA calculations were designed as initial trials so they could actually figure out how the fuck they could get it to work with an actual rotating, moving reference, not to mention getting back.
>>75843301
This. Round earth will be used as the NWO's basis for getting us to think that aliens, spaceships, and planet x (the destroyer) exist. Us flat-earthers know what they're up to and won't be caught off guard.
>>75857793
Do you also believe that the physicist around the world don't think friction, weight, or volume exist because most of the papers make those simplifications for the sake of expedience?
>>75858646
In fact the Flat Earth theory is a psyops (propaganda) ran by the establishment.
It's not meant to prove or disprove anything, but rather to create a sense of doubt by questioning one of the basic beliefs (earth is round).
They're trying to make everyone doubt about everything to ease the overtaking
>>75845627
3/4ths of /pol/ are cuck threads, or x BTFO!, or some bullshit like that, and you're complaining about one or two flat earth threads?
>>75857793
Have you seen this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDk5mlas_fg
Also tell me where is the edge of world is.
>>75858980
implying that cunt knows anything!
>>75858300
>>75858452
there are many many more proofs that the earth is not round which can be tested and observed.
also rainbows prove that there is a dome, or firmament over the earth because you need tow polarizers. you cannot replicate a rainbow at home unless you have a light source and a mirror. you can test this yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9V0jlamJ2Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIZ_nqJNSuo
>>75859082
>also rainbows prove that there is a dome, or firmament over the earth because you need two polarizers. you cannot replicate a rainbow at home unless you have a light source and a mirror. you can test this yourself.
What are vectors and angles of refraction. you can easily reproduce a rainbow at home without a mirror, all you need is some sort of medium with which you are able to scatter light with. in the case of real rainbows, it is the fine water droplets refracting inbound light that create a rainbow, on a summers day you can do this with a hose and your thumb.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5i_iDyUTCg
i really dont like this guy and I'm not a flat earther but this is a collection of the main points they make
>>75845732
Fuck off kike
>>75859312
>on a summers day you can do this with a hose and your thumb.
thats because there is a firnament outside.
did you try it indoors with a light source? i didnt think so.
>>75859501
yep, plain old incandescent globe and the bathroom tap combined with my thumb also seems to work fine, although made a hell of a mess. i did note however that it wasn't near as bright, likely due to the fact that i don't have the same scientific equipment i had when i ran the actual experiments back in my physics lectures. That particular experiment just used a prism to scatter said light from a focused slit of light, but due to a similar refractive index water should behave roughly the same.
>>75859391
Fair enough friend, i hope you find the evidence you seek to sway your tenuous balance.
>>75840112
it's 100% psyops brought to you direct from the tavistock institute
>>75859896
same to you bro.
its a lot of fun and I'm not bothered either way, globe or plane.
just good to think about these things even if we are wrong rather than accept everything as truth.
good luck mate
>>75860021
and that's exactly what science is about, gotta say of all places /pol/ wasn't where i expected to find this kind of investigation and debate that didn't get filled with donald trump, black people or hitler.
>>75860021
Oh, and i should mention quickly that if you go back to that sattelite tracking site i linked eariler, they've got a page with the ISS live feeds on it from the HD cameras they installed last year, it's just starting to peek over the curvature coming out of the umbra now.
>>75859916
Do you by any chance know how to into psyops?
Just regular military and then SF?
>>75860096
they left about half hour ago when they realised that they are out of there depth in terms of free thought. those dudes repeat 'facts' like they are going out of fashion, its funny really.
>>75860212
yeah i watch it from time to time.
ill have a look now...
apparently they have never run the cameras for more than an hour at a time though.. so far we have never had a 24 hour stream (or so i am told)
often the clouds dont seem that convincing either.
but what do i know, I'm just looking at a video from earth.
i hope its up there lads and I'm pretty sure it is but these videos definitely look odd at times :)
>>75853021
OR maybe the Jews are gravity and that's what allowed them to gain control of everything
>>75860507
welp, a little late. it's already buggered off, and it's not hopping back into the light side for what seems to be another twenty mins or so. i think they've got the groundside cam off for maintanence but the normal is up.
>>75860573
pic related?
>>75860601
some flat earthers have a 5 grand bet running to produce footage from the live stream that lasts for over an hour.
i just checked the stream, pitch black.
do you watch any conspiracy related material on the iss flat earth etc? what do u make of it?
its compelling but certainly not the 'undeniable' proof they often present it as.
>>75860886
Not really, i don't tend to actually step into the debate too much since a good 80% of it is just either shitflinging, 'jews did this' 'nasa conspiracy' ect. and not actual thought and conversation. Honestly, i'm riding my bet on SpaceX to be able to prove it once and for all since they basically plan to commercialise space travel the best they can at the moment, also because they are the ones that run the ISS's supply shipments cuz it was getting more and more expensive for NASA to do it.
>>75861092
i also look forward to the future like you do.
should be interesting :)
i agree flat earth people ironically call people sheep or sheeple but if we think about this for a mo..
It is Them who have been lead from field to field and every time they arrive in a new field they start screaming truth.. its fucking sad lol.
shitflinging is exactly what they do..
what i meant was, do you draw any new information from these conspiracy type videos and text or is it to unprofessional and weird to get involved just yet?
i was an unfortunate flat earther for all but 5 minuets before i realised that its actually very tricky to prove either way. now I'm just comfy sitting on the fence
Is /pol/ being raided by /x/ again?
>>75861377
Ah, I do occasionally draw new information from some of them, mostly because they spur on another part of the debate i haven't encountered yet and need to research on my own, it's surprisingly easy to find a lot of those 'flat earth PROOF' videos tend to rely on faulty interpretations of something or just plain misdirection, which i think hurts people who genuinely believe it and want to try and prove it the best they can.
Also, check the standard ISS feed again, there's a red glow around the bottom and a dot of light of some sort, unsure whether it's a star or some sort of satellite, debris, dunno...... oh forget that they just turned the fucking camera to face the station.
>>75861674
oshit and they've turned on the HD ground cam too, guess they're close to crossing into the light side.
>>75861760
nother update for anybody watching, the HD earth cam just popped my ears out with headphone static, they're switching the cams out or shutting it down, dunno. standard one's still up and looks nice tho
>>75843301
This pic is better. Use this pic next time.
>>75840010
I'm going to tell you about a concept that I call 'conspiracy misdirection'. It's basically a type of misinformation/disinformation. Conspiracy misdirection is what happens when a conspiracy theory is propagated that is considered to be the truth about whatever that conspiracy theory is about, but actually is NOT the truth and hides an even GREATER conspiracy that is TRUE (and thus NOT a 'theory'). One of the MAJOR techniques that intelligence agencies such as the CIA, MI5, the Mossad, etc. use to deceive us is conspiracy misdirection, which is to make certain conspiracy theories popular in mainstream society that are used to push us further away from the truth. I'll give you an example: They'll tell us that the Apollo 11 Moon landing never happened, although I think that what most likely happened is that the Apollo 11 Moon landing not only happened, but they found more than they bargained for on the Moon like artifacts and ruins which CONFIRM that we are NOT alone in the universe. Eventually, we might have even been warned to never come back - which might explain why we've never gone back to the Moon since 1972. Even if we weren't warned to never return to the Moon, we DID land on the Moon and found WORKS OF INTELLIGENCE on it. I am UTTERLY CONVINCED that people on the NASA payroll are promoting the 'Moon hoax' conspiracy theory to push people further from the possibility that beings (possibly even ancient HUMAN beings) landed on the Moon a long time ago and built stuff there. The 'Moon hoax' theory might have even been CREATED by NASA employees. COME ON people, THINK. What do you think is the more paradigm-shattering secret?: The possibility that we DIDN'T land on the Moon or the possibility that we DID land on the Moon and found artificial stuff there? OBVIOUSLY it's the second possibility. (end of part 1)
>>75862365
(start of part 2) You see, the REAL reason why the second possibility is being hidden from us is NOT because a loving government wants to prevent mass panic (that's just the cover story), but because they want to prevent us from asking 'too many' questions. If it were confirmed that we DID land on the Moon and found artificial stuff there but were lied to about such a historic discovery, then people (and LOTS of them) WOULD ask more questions about what else they've been lied to about. They'd say "Well, they lied to us about that, so what ELSE have they lied to us about? The origin and history of the human species? The pharmaceutical industry? Free energy? The banking industry?" It opens the door to EVERYTHING. EVERYTHING. And THAT'S why the 'Moon hoax' theory is FIERCELY promoted, while most people have almost NEVER heard of that second possibility (and, more worryingly, probably haven't even THOUGHT ABOUT IT). Another example of conspiracy misdirection is the sudden popularity of the Flat Earth theory. The sudden popularity of the Flat Earth theory is a CIA psyop designed to divide and distract people from the TRUE nature of Earth, which is that Earth is HOLLOW. Earth's crust is about 800 miles thick and there is a 'sun' at Earth's centre (which is actually a nuclear fission reactor) which is about 650 miles in diameter and the distance between a dweller in the Inner Earth world and their inner central 'sun' is only about 2,900 miles. (end of part 2)
>>75862390
(start of part 3) Okay, this is a shorter version of what conspiracy misdirection is for people that don't like reading lots of text: Conspiracy misdirection is when a false conspiracy theory is used to hide a true conspiracy theory that has even more far-reaching implications than the false conspiracy theory. (end)
>>75840010
They're just fucking trolls, baiters, it's so fucking obvious. You yourself are most likely a faggot baiting with this thread. No one with over 80 IQ wouldn't realize this on their own.
>>75862365
>I am UTTERLY CONVINCED that people on the NASA payroll are promoting the 'Moon hoax' conspiracy theory to push people further from the possibility that beings (possibly even ancient HUMAN beings) landed on the Moon a long time ago and built stuff there
Ha, it's just like the 9/11 truther episode from South Park.
If the Earth isn't flat, how the fuck don't people fall off of it? I know, I know, gravity, but have you ever actually stopped and tried to explain that?
Think about Australia. They're literally upside down. Like bats. They're on the bottom of the earth. How in the ever-loving FUCK do you think life occurs normally there if the Earth isn't flat?
Shit, even America, which is on the SIDE of the planet, how the fuck don't people struggle to walk uphill?
Oh, oh, oh, I know! The earth is spinning! Right? That's your retarded answer isn't it? Well, have you ever tried walking on a goddamn treadmill? It doesn't work unless you exert effort to keep up with it. The earth spins at thousand of miles an hour. How the fuck don't we notice that with every step we take?
I get it, it sounds dumb because round earth theories have been slammed into your head your whole life, but if you actually stop and think for yourself for once, you really CANNOT tell me that the Earth is round because the physics simply do not hold up.
>>75863001
I know this is a troll, but if the flat Earth was real there would be permanent sunlight in Alaska rather than 6 months of darkness.
/thread
This was easy
>>75863231
How do you even know Alaska is real?
>>75863349
How do you know I'm real?
>>75857793
>That pic
You do realize that simplified models get used in physics, right?
Pic very related
>>75863449
All I know is that Anime Israel
>>75863001
So the question is... is this a troll or does Finland have an awful education system?
>>75840010
COINTELPRO
basically the CIA is posting this whacky shit everywhere anything remotely redpilled is discussed to discredit the discussions and make us all look like schizophrenic losers to outsiders.
>>75863887
>muh argument to authority
Typical roundie scum, believing all the jewish lies at face value.
>>75864050
Or mental disorder? Leaning towards mental disorder.
>>75840010
Suspicious activity in Antarctica suggest things are not as they seem.
NASA is the key.
Rear-Admiral Richard Byrd made an investigation of Antarctica in 1946 called Operation Highjump. Claims continent is ripe with resources. 1957 Byrd suddenly dies, the continet and its resources are locked up by international treaty, and in 1958 Kikenhower creates NASA.
Oh, and the CIA was created by Dirty Harry Truman in 1947. To kind of "keep a lid" on the whole "discovery"..."National Security Act" dontcha know.
The modern US security state literally starts at the same time as the mysterious Byrd expedition. They're keeping a secret.
Where is the footage of the end of the world. If the earth is flat, some captain or pilot would have confirmed.
So wheres the proof flatheads? Wouldnt it be worth it to pool resources for an expedition that will shake the world with what you discover? Live stream that shit so if the world elite kill you for trying we get to see.
Seems easy enough to me, and youll convince more people than with your logical flaws and mathematical ignorance. But you cant, because you are wrong!
>>75864447
There is no end to a circle.
>>75864664
Run your finger from the center of a coin to the edge. In that direction there certainly is an edge. Thats what I propose flatheads do on the surface of the earth. Travel to the edge, and take video of whats there.
>>75864828
Why are you arguing with a disinfo shill?
>>75863887
Fins drink a lot
>>75864828
Don't you realize once you are at the 'edge' as you call it its a circle, there's no way to get off since a circle has no edges/ends.
>>75840673
What state are you from buddy
>>75840010
Side-effect of SJW anti-logic. Hell, if you're fine with accepting Galaxykin then your mind is definitely in a receptive state to listening to flat-earthers.
>>75848882
>That space jump guy... Went above earth. Very high. Where the earths spin should be noticeable both visibly and physically. He stayed up there for hours. Then jumped...only to be a few mere miles from the ascension point.. when he should have landed thousands of miles away
Jump from a moving train and see what happens. Guarantee you'll maintain momentum in keeping with the train even though your dumb ass is no longer on it. Seriously try it
>>75865228
But the train is connected to the earth, the jumping guy was not.
>>75845418
>/b/tards have the highest iq
Top Kek senpai.
>>75845289
>think of that speed!
They had trains by the time of this pic, they recognized that you could stand inside a train car going 40mph and not feel pushed to the back, that you only feel the acceleration change not the constant speed.
Don't think that this nonsense in the 1890s was any more accepted then than it is now. This is just self-soothing propaganda for fundies.
>>75840010
Why do you keep ignoring the facts about the flat earth?
Why do you keep acting as if the science has been settled on the subject?
>>75861760
>>75861674
looking at the feed now boyo!
>>75865842
It's a belief system that roundies desperately cling to even when overwhelmed by contradictory evidence.
If Obama and the mainstream are supporting the ball earth, then you know something is wrong
Flat earth is the ultimate red pill. Wake up goyim.
>>75843301
Yep. Wake up sheeple
>>75860251
they hire out of college, political sciences, computer science, anyone with ties to israel. Military intelligence recruits out of basic, if you score in the top 10% of the tests you get optioned for these types of jobs. It must be pretty boring, they use a soundboard type script where they have strategies to combat arguments and tactics to promote and convert people.
The idea is to distrust anyone and everyone, so that in the event of civil unrest there wont be a united group that tries to fight (militia, gangs, etc).
>>75848882
Yep there is no proof that we ever landed on the moon. Americans are all too brainwashed by "science" to know otherwise.
>>75866397
>Be NWO
>Hire anyone with a college degree
>Somehow miss one rocket scientist
>Crack in skydome dooms mankind
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQw_C5KLhFM
>>75864050
Explain the seasons.
>>75840010
OP: They are shitposting. They never have an answer for why the seasons change, nor the Eratosthenesian method that you just posted.
They know it drives scifags fucking bananas.
>>75866911
Fluctuations in sun's velocity as it travels around our sky. Ever wonder why the day lasts longer in the summer? That's because the sun is traveling slower over your continent in the summer.
>hurr durr sun is traveling at a set speed because my white privilege professor said so!
What is friction for 200¥, Alex?
>>75866911
The way the seasons are 'explained' by science is by using an already known thing and fitting it to work with the unproven round earth model, that the sun is closer to the earth because it 'tilts' though of course there is no explanation as to why the earth only tilts so much or only in one direction. It's just as reasonable to state the the seasons are a result of the sun moving slightly closer to the earth on its path over the flat earth.
>>75867046
There are a breed of people who hate /pol/ with a passion and are here to see it shitposted to death.
>really makes you think
>what does X mean by this
>redpill me on X
>how can white women compete
>kek god and dubs threads
>fake twitter and reddit screenshots
We won't rest until this little stormnigger hideout collapses on itself from all these "satire".
Sincerely /s4s/
![seasons[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/H0f4fmS.gif "seasons[1].gif")
>>75867446
I don't even have to go into MS paint to explain this.
>>75867723
Fake
>>75867760
gay
>>75840466
I know I'm going full retard by falling for the bait but the reason there are seasons is due to the axial tilt of the Earth while it goes through its orbit.
>Why doesn't it spin around like a retard?
The moon's gravity affects the orientation of the Earth as it orbits us and exerts a pull on the widest part of the Earth (equator), keeping it aligned.
>Hurr muh abyssian plains
And what lies ontop of those plains? Water, being pulled by gravity towards the centre of the Earth into the most dense shape per area achievable: a sphere.
Now I'd love Flat Earthers to explain why the Sun, Moon and planets through a telescope appear circular, and why the Earth seems to cast a circular shadow on the moon at each lunar eclipse.
>>75840010
I don't believe in Flat Earth, but I also don't believe in anything NASA says. It's all fake bullshit
>>75867867
>explain why the Sun, Moon and planets through a telescope appear circular
Because they're circles, you idiot. They're discs, not spheres. There's a reason you always see the same side of the Moon: There are no other sides.
>>75868572
this guy gets it
if the face we see of the moon is plastered with craters - how the fuck did they get there?
really makes you think!
>>75842337
newfag spotted this shit is older than you here
>>75868572
The true redpill is hollow earth.
http://www.thenewearth.org/InnerEarth.html
http://www.ourhollowearth.com/PartTwo.htm
>>75865045
Circles have edges. Spheres do not.
>>75869289
>cherrypicks one part of a sentence to refute
And the reason for the lunar and inner planet phases?
If the Moon was a disk it would either be in full light or in full shadow unless the light was hitting parallel to the plane of the disc.
In this case only the surface highlights like mountains would be illuminated which never happens.
>>75869289
that does not explain the termination line very well though does it?
there are better points to consider that should be test able on earth before going to deep into other speculations. wouldn't you agree?
>>75870239
>>75870256
>And the reason for the lunar and inner planet phases?
The terminator is fake. The moon has a normal map on it that makes it look round. The creators of the Moon added it to support the round Earth theory.
>>75870769
hey no need to face palm bro, I'm with you I'm just failing to understand how you have come to this conclusion.. like i said isn't it better to focus on the horizon for example than to make claims like this?
tell me how you know this, i am genuinely listening!
do you follow crrow 777?
>>75840010
>implying the earth isn't flat
>>75849814
prove this is a real image my old mate
>>75871056
>hey no need to face palm bro
I'm not your bro, friend.
> like i said isn't it better to focus on the horizon for example than to make claims like this?
The reality is that the Flat Earth wiki explains every common argument. For instance, the horizon is not curved.
Photographic "evidence" of a curved horizon are shot with fisheye lenses. There are different timezones because the Sun is a spotlight. Constellations change when you move because the stars are actually only a few hundred miles above sea level. Every question has an answer.
>>75871815
>I'm with you
please stop explaining things i have already heard of BRO
you are just spitting out claims at this point
i was simply saying can we get back to fucking basics with out over excitable flat earthers from Sweden tainting the whole show?
lets get back to science and try and work this mother out
>>75857687
Ah, another ad hoc stargazer with shitty equipment!
May Gods bring you clear skies, mate.
>>75861565
>/pol/ has more /x/ conspiracies than /x/ does
>/x/ has more /pol/ than /pol/ does
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