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Hail Satan,
Your God talking about us Colonizing Mars? Or do you think the World is the center of the universe still?
Could someone explain to me the mental gymnastics behind Noahs Arc and that the male and female counterparts of each species would only be able to produce one generation of offspring before all the animals die out.
>>75793731
May the Catholics, the Copts, and the Orthodox all reunite into the Imperial Church once more to reclaim Christendom.
>>75793731
Christians are politically correct. If you want to be politically incorrect you need to stop following 2000 year old established Jew meme.
>>75793731
I lost my faith and I'm near killing myself. Give me one reason to believe in the sucessor of Peter when he outright calls for the destruction of Europe
>>75793731
>Chatolics
Also is this website in someway beliveble?
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Roman%20Catholicism/catholic_heresies-a_list.htm
>>75793977
not in my country.
if you utter a christian notion outloud here you get some crazed metal bat-wielding sodomite trying to murder you.
>>75793731
Did the previous one of these shitposting threads already die? Why the fuck would you make a new one?
>>75793923
It was a single pair of only the clean animals(or maybe unclean, I can't remember) and like 3 dozen pairs of the other type.
>>75794172
>orthodox
>>75793977
>Christians are politically correct
>>75794172
>Pope says gay marriage is from satan
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/pope-francis-same-sex-marriage-move-father-lies-total-rejection-gods-law
>Pope Francis speaks against Gay adoption
http://wdtprs.com/blog/2013/12/pope-francis-shocked-by-gay-adoption-urges-bishop-to-speak-against-it-boldly/
>Compares trans rights to nuclear arms race
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/pope-francis-compares-arguments-for-transgender-rights-to-nuclear-arms-race-10061223.html
>Pope Francis says that there's no salvation outside the Church
http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2013/06/03/pope-francis-is-under-attack-for-saying-that-outside-the-church-there-is-no-salvation-its-a-poke-in-the-eye-says-one-presbyterian-why-hes-wrong/
>He excommunicates an Australian priest supporting gay marriage and women clergy
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/24/pope-francis-excommunicates-priest-greg-reynolds_n_3983059.html
>Pope Francis is against gender theory and for traditional gender roles
http://ncronline.org/blogs/francis-chronicles/pope-francis-gender-theory-problem-not-solution
>Pope is against abortion
http://www.lifenews.com/2015/09/23/pope-francis-on-abortions-innocent-victims-its-wrong-to-look-the-other-way-or-remain-silent/
>He Encourages the use of force against ISIS
http://www.businessinsider.com/pope-francis-endorses-use-of-force-against-isis-in-iraq-2014-8
>Pope Francis is against lukewarm "faith"
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/pope-off-the-cuff-to-priests-religious-indifference-makes-god-vomit-69700/
>The Pope is misquoted often
http://www.christianpost.com/buzzvine/7-times-pope-francis-was-misquoted-132679/
>The Pope Rebukes Communist Cross
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/bolivia/11729834/Pope-rebukes-Bolivias-President-Evo-Morales-for-gift-of-crucifix-mounted-on-hammer-and-sickle.html
>>75794228
I'm pretty sure you need at least nine pairs of female/males to continue the survival of a species, at least for humans anyway.
>>75793923
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04702a.htm
>>75793977
Which is surely why the nationalist groups of Europe are largely Catholic/Orthodox and why anything pushed as 'Jewish' works against Christianity.
>>75794040
You need not believe in a man in the office of Peter unless the man uses the powers of his office to render doctrine. Something that's only happened 2-3 times throughout the history of Peter's successors.
Believe in God's doctrine, His grace, and His church.
>>75794172
>Also is this website in someway beliveble?
No.
>>75794040
the papacy is just an office. Do you kill yourself everytime you don't like your prime minister?
>>75794347
>chatolics
>>75794422
>>75794510
Why, is it because no sources or ?
>>75794510
>>75794511
Seems like a copout. Why have a pope then in the first place? Seems all too wishy washy for me too believe in holy spiritual guidance. What is there good in Francis or generally post Vat 2 papacy?
>>75794527
>>75794612
>clickbait articles
wow really makes you think, I am #protestantmissile now
>>75793731
God created the world
The world we have around us is the greatest evidence we have of God's creation.
And what do we see in the world around us? We see millions of creatures dying in horrific pain. We see the strong devour the weak. We see the female attracted to the alpha like a moth drawn to a flame. This world we live in is not a picnic, it's a bloody slaughterhouse where only the strong, the quick, and the intelligent make it out alive.
God loves the powerful lion who kills his pack leader to take his rightful place as ruler of the pride. God loves the spider who outwits the moth, and rightfully devours it alive. God loves the strong, the powerful, the majestic.
People who fight and win. People who crush their enemies. People who survive against the odds. People who make their way in the world with the power of their own two hands. There's nothing God likes seeing more than a perfect creature in full possession of his powers rising to meet their potential.
The Bible is the work of Man, the world around us is the work of God. True heavenly inspiration is drawn from evidence, science, logic and reason. If the Bible contradicts the world, then the Bible contradicts God.
God would not give you the ultimate gifts of logic and reason if He didn't want you to use them. He would not construct some elaborate video game where you must arbitrarily reject the evidence you see before your eyes as a prerequisite to enter Heaven.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mal27etUPM&index=10&list=PLDF03FD71FE7D634E
>>75794711
>Why have a pope then in the first place?
To pass down Peter's keys and preserve the deposit of the faith.
> Seems all too wishy washy for me too believe in holy spiritual guidance
Holy spiritual guidance, not migration policies guidance. The pope is asked about his personal opinions, he is not the ruler of your country
>What is there good in Francis or generally post Vat 2 papacy?
The papacy is not a tool to further your political beliefs. The world does not revolve around you, deal with it.
>>75793878
>Leaf
Considering society was founded on Christianity I'd say yes.
Don't you have a bull to prep, Justin?
How can we follow sola scriptura if the bible never mentions sola scriptura????
>>75794841
>Those Catholics gave Hitler a 99% victory.
nope
LOL
I wonder when this Catholic tripfag finally ditches Catholicism and starts 'looking in to the Orthodox church'.
>>75794456
>Take with you seven pairs of every kind of clean animal, a male and its mate, and one pair of every kind of unclean animal, a male and its mate, 3 and also seven pairs of every kind of bird, male and female, to keep their various kinds alive throughout the earth.
Yeah, it was 7 pairs of clean animals and one pair of uncleans. And the reason he needed so many clean animals was to sacrifice some right after getting out of the ark.
Praise the lord brother, Pray with me tonight and let our faith be our guide to for what is right and and just in the world.
>>75794758
In most cases you are correct; however, Lincoln Rockwell and Malcolm X respected each other quite a bit.
Recognizing the enemies of all Peoples could, at least theoretically, peacefully unite nations against those multiculturalists who would destroy all of their cultures if they could.
I'm an atheist, but I'd like to be an ally to moral faithful people.
Despite our differences in belief I feel as though Christians deserve some credit for growing out of their violent infancy.
How can I help promote good Christian values as an atheist?
I genuinely want to help spread a better message than most other prominent atheists...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xGisYvbLiI&list=PLDF03FD71FE7D634E&index=9 Do not be deceived brothers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqCx2j9Ig1I&index=14&list=PLDF03FD71FE7D634E
>>75793977
>against feminism
>against homosexuality
>politically correct
pick one, commie atheist scum.
>>75794040
become a protestant
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEQoGUj5L5A&index=18&list=PLDF03FD71FE7D634E
Loving reminder that Calvinists ignore Scripture and are condemning themselves.
>>75795159
How can we cover our churches in gold, art, idols and precious stones if God told us to give away our possessions?
Or how can we covet earthly riches when we are told to get treasures in heaven?
How can you do what the Pope says if God never once mentioned a pope?
How can we ordain homosexual priests if God hates homosexuality?
How can we please God if we make a public spectacle and bring reproach to God when we kiss black Muslim feet?
How can we be doing God's will, if we are doing what God's enemy wants us to do?
Really makes you go "hmmmm...."
>>75795256
Become a Christian.
Lead by example.
>>75795159
if a church contradicts what paul taught, they are to be anathama, Eph 2:8-10, paul taught grace through faith, so the Catholic church contradicts paul
>>75795378
how so?
Does anyone have the video posted recently of the christian state bombing isis? I wanted to make a remix of it
>>75795094
So christians founded the chinese empire?
im virgin athiest
>>75794998
>Holy spiritual guidance, not migration policies guidance. The pope is asked about his personal opinions, he is not the ruler of your country
He's the vicar of Christ. There is more to him than you are willing to admit
>The papacy is not a tool to further your political beliefs
Fair point. But traditionally the church used to protect it's believers. I don't want to push my views with the power of the church. I just want the basic right to defend my tradition and way of life
Incase those fedora tippers come back again, let's try to explain why "Turn the other cheek" doesn't translate into "Let's have ISIS put us on our knees and blow our brains out".
>>75795365
I tried but no
>>75795256
You need to convert them first
Talk to them about the absurdity of physicalism, of nihilism, relativism and positivism
And them introduce them to the Gospel
>>75795094
also, bull is the symbol of Elohim, as moses casted down the tablets upon the effigy of god when he came down from the mount. but ya knew that right? I hail the bull god, because he was here first, you just praise a false idol corpse worshipers.
>>75795567
Philippians 2:12
1 Corinthians 1:18 - KJV translates it incorrectly. The correct translation is "being saved".
James 2:17
>>75795761
http://www.laymanperspective.com/Archive%20articles/Layman_Perspective_Articles/Doctrinal/Salvation/born%20Again.html
this is what you need to do if you want to Go to heaven
>>75795696
>I just want the basic right to defend my tradition and way of life
then go complain with your government. They are the ones who invited the immigrants, not the Pope.
>>75795657
Many reasons.
http://www.bible.ca/calvinism.htm
>>75795809
*then
>>75795696
>He's the vicar of Christ
Says who? Lol.
>>75795848
Galation 1:6-10
Romans 4
Romans 5:1
John 3
James is speaking in the horizontal, if someone is claiming they have Faith, but dont walk the talk, they are not really saved.
https://carm.org/are-we-justified-faith-romans-or-works-james
>>75795750
Why doesn't it mean that?
>>75795950
The pope did too. That's my point
>go complain with your government
>"complain"
Thinking about that. I'm in this thread to find an alternative
Also, question for the atheists here
Why do you feel the need to butcher what remains of the West's religion?
Shouldn't you be focusing on the one that's rapidly filling the gaps?
>>75795750
Yeah, try to explain tnat. Why would the good Christian thing to do not be imitating Chtist and his earliest followers?
>>75795809
> the absurdity of physicalism
What?
>>75796038
The catholic church
>>75796225
Do you believe all that exists is purely the physical?
>>75795966
Refute the tulip then
>>75796253
Well I'd like someone to point out in the O.T. or N.T. any mention of the pope or a pagan-based mega church being part of God's will.
As far as I can tell, the Catholic church is the whore of Babylon. And as we know, Babylon is not exactly favorable when God talks about it.
>>75796353
Yes. What kind of question is that? What else would exist?
>>75796415
That's what I linked you to.
Read it.
Also
>TULIP is wrong to begin with.
The Bible never says perseverance of the saints, it says preservation.
>>75796537
That which supposedly comes purely from the physical
The mind
>>75796038
Jesus in Matthew 16:18
>>75796151
>Galation 1:6-10
Yes, protestants teach a false gospel
>Romans 4
God asked plenty of works from Abraham
>Romans 5:1
"being justified", not "are justified"
>James is speaking in the horizontal
No, God does not want us to "show off". Our works are for our internal regeneration. It is to show our love to God. It is vertical.
Fact is, faith without works is dead, because without obedience and a show of love to God, your faith is dead.
>>75796469
You are Peter and on this rock
I will give you the keys to heaven
You know I've been appointed to gather the followers on earth
From top of my hea but you know the quotes
>>75794675
The lacking or lack of sources is part of the problem. More importantly it's ran and meant to be fundamentalist Evangelical writing. The arguments are generally conjecture-driven or poorly thought out.
>>75794711
>Seems like a copout.
Not at all. It's recommended to respect and listen to the educated one in charge in the office of St. Peter but in no way is his common dialogues doctrinal in themselves. I'm speaking of doctrine as it exists. While there is a big pressure to listen to the man, it is well understood that his words are still fallible until he exercises the powers of his office.
A pope is there for the same reason Peter is there: To help lead and guide the church into the future. Unless they espouse doctrine, they are speaking from the position of an educated priest and an educated priest can give guidance but at the same time can still falter. It would be strange to expect sainthood gifted to a man in the office originated by a man of great struggles to begin with.
Now I can't say what good there is in Francis besides that he is a proper Catholic and uses Catholic Moral Teaching to an extent I'd disagree with but I'd see no reason to dismiss the post-V.2 papacy with Pope Benedict XVI and John Paul II before him.
>>75795169
Like I haven't already.
>>75795256
Live morally.
My parish taught me that the best way to evangelize is through example.
It is difficult but no doubt worth it.
>>75795660
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_r7eNvrTQJM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTlXig5lXnI
More seriously...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZVEgtc0HEI
>>75795750
It's about not returning evil with evil. To seek the good of things in spite of the evil that people do to you. This doesn't mean let do what they will because what they do is part of the evil that's discussed.
>>75796225
It mean not take revenge against somebody who wrong you, not let them kill you.
It means, if you went up and hit me, I won't hit back. I'll just forgive you and carry on my way.
>>75796537
You do know you're in a Christian thread, right?
>>75796775
I think it's fair to have to speak on Cartesian Dualism if you're going to give a cartesian view of nature.
>>75796749
Thank you for the perspective. What do you think of Papa Francesco? Did you read his writings? Did you take any spiritual advice from it? Do you think we should take care of refugees?
>>75796151
Some verses more that refute your view:
Matthew 25:34-36
Matt 19:16-21
Matthew 16:27
1 Corinthians 3:8
1 Corinthians 13:2 - what is charity but good works?
1 Corinthians 13:13 - seems like faith is not all you need
James 2:20-21
2 Peter 1:10
Faith without works is dead.
Salvation requires no works.
Justification is being renewed and changed through salvation which is a free gift.
Y/N?
Personally I'm sure people would listen and act to reason.
Take this sort of thing as a needed closure about Gods being. Needed to make things understandable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSnIHLVa2Qw
What if /pol/ Christian would be about this sort of things? And wanting to change this in Christianity? Isolating from already existing churches is not useful. This would actually go against the whole idea.
>>75796650
What? Do you thonk the mind is some magical thing that exists outside the brain? Seems you took 999 a bit too seriously.
>>75796765
>not let them kill you.
But that's what Jesus himself and a number of his followers did.
And if it's okay to defend yourself at some point when is it okay?
>>75796775
Yes, I enjoy dicking around in these shitposting threads.
>>75797754
Can you pinpoint to me exactly where the mind is? Send me a picture of it
>>75797646
Salvation is made possible by the sacrifice of Jesus and believing in Him.
We are judged by works. See Revelations.
>>75796720
Works are a result of faith and regeneration not to earn it, once your given eternal life, u have it
>>75797982
Can you send me a picture of faith? Of sin?
These are ideas. Ideas are immaterial because they can exist in two places at once simultaneously.
>>75798080
And you aren't given eternal life until Jesus returns and the books are opened and we are judged. Judged by our works.
>>75797754
Jesus know he had to die for our sins so he can wash it away with his blood. His followers died trying to peach the gospel. They did their best to avoid capture and even broke out of jail.
>>75797646
I like to describe it this way. Christiainity is the history of an eternal and ever-renewing covenant with God. That is not only true collectively but also individually. A covenant involves two parties. You are one of them, and are supposed to renew that covenant every moment of it through your thoughts (faith) and interaction with the world (works)., until the moment you die.
Also this: >>75797998
>>75798269
*every moment of your life
>>75798133
>These are ideas. Ideas are immaterial because they can exist in two places at once simultaneously.
They can even transgress the bounds of our body in my opinion
Even when you're sensing what is around you, your mind reaches at least up until those points
As someone who is new to the faith, I would like to know what you guys think of some of the rules which are commonly ignored today. Namely the prohibition of pork, mixed fiber clothing and the consumption of shellfish.
Should we still obey these rules? Do you?
>>75797998
The unbelievers go to the great white throne, they will be judged according to their works, and then they are cast into the lake of Fire, Believers will go to the Beama Judgement, we will be judged according to our works, but that is for rewards in heaven, not for condemnation
>>75798205
The great white throne is for Un believers
>>75798528
>Should we still obey these rules?
no
>>75793923
It was just that one dude, and he was an idiot.
>>75798528
Not required, that was for the old covenant Jews
>>75794040
Your faith was in your church.
Your church let you down.
You lost your faith in your church.
Your faith should never have been in your church in the first place.
No church has ever saved anyone, and no church ever will.
>>75798528
I myself believe what you eat and wear is a lot more menial than how you behave towards God and others
John 5:8-14
>>75797982
It's a function of your brain. Can you give me a picture of photosenthesis?
I can show you that certain parts of the brain control certain functions and doing things to those effect those functions.
>>75798255
>Jesus know he had to die for our sins
Why did he have to? This has never made any sense. Couldn't God have forgiven our sins without that? Or made is in a way that we wouldn't sin?
>>75798205
1 epistle of John says to the believers that they already have eternal life
>>75798528
No, basically all the weird bullshit rules God laid down over the years(circumcision, what not to eat, what sacrifices to do, etc) don't matter anymore because reasons.
Are Hindus welcome here?
I have a few questions regarding the old testament
>>75794847
The heavens declare the glory of God, and the earth shows His handiwork.
To take that to where you are requires a massive leap that is completely unsupported; that God condones the way the world is run by men.
>>75794181
dean deserved it though, he's a jew shill for Israel who tells white women they deserve to be raped.
>>75795159
2 Tim. 3:16-17
>>75795165
A few weeks later, on March 29th, a nationwide referendum was held in which 99 percent of the registered voters in Germany went to the polls and gave a 98.8 percent "Ja" vote approving Hitler's reoccupation of the Rhineland. The Führer had reached new heights of popularity.
>>75798812
It's not purely a function of the brain. It exists also in its own right, in a non-physical sense
>>75799000
Why would you just say you have questions? Ask questions, fuckhead, don't just say you have them.
>>75795256
On what basis do you say that Jesus is not God?
On what basis do you say that Jesus did not raise from the dead?
>>75795696
I have Christ.
Why would I want the Anti-Christ?
>>75799114
so? 99% of german people, who were majority protestants btw, not 99% of catholics. Religious affiliation had nothing to do with it. You try to conform truth to your blind hate for the Catholic Church, because you are hateful and deceived.
>>75799129
>It's not purely a function of the brain
Yes, yes it is.
>It exists also in its own right, in a non-physical sense
Where? How? Do you have anything to substantiate the bullshit you're spewing?
Seriously, have you played 999? What you're saying sounds a lot like something that was discussed in it. And it's a good game anyway, you should play it.
>>75796469
Jesus hates the ways and beliefs of the Nicolaitans.
People who put clergy between God and the laity.
>>75799135
Sorry
Why are jews referred to as the snake's kin or the child of snakes? I was talking to this anon on another thread and he was saying that the jews that exist today are not jews but Canaanites
By the end of the talk, I was very confused
Can you help clear this up?
Was he just shitposting or is there some truth in what he says?
Thanks again
>>75796732
Petros is not the petra.
Peter is not the foundation of the church.
The pope does not stand in Peter's shoes; he stands in Constantine's.
>>75796749
Didn't miss you when you were gone, hope you leave again soon.
>>75799390
>nicolaitans
>People who put clergy between God and the laity.
[citation needed]
>>75799366
I don't play video games but I'll keep that in mind
>>It's not purely a function of the brain
>Yes, yes it is.
Why would you say this? Why would it be purely a function of the brain?
>>75797171
You cannot properly divide the scriptures. That's the problem. You can't tell the difference between faith, proper faith, saints, Christians, and Tribulation saints.
Because, you know, you're lost. I mean, you know you're lost, right? You know you're not saved?
>>75799454
Jesus referred to Simon as "kepha", which in Aramaic means "rock", it is indisputable and confirmed in John 1:42
In koine Greek, unlike Attic Greek, there is no distinction between petra (a feminine noun) and Petros (masculine ending). "Petros" is merely the masculine neologism created by Our Lord for Simon. Our Lord was making a pun. Would you have had Jesus name Peter "Petra" or "Petrina"? If Our Lord wanted to make the distinction you protestants imply, He would have used the word "lithos", which in koine Greek means "little rock" or "pebble". The conferral of "the keys" and "the binding and loosing" passages have antecedents in the Jewish Scriptures (see: Isaiah 22) for the notions of bestowing authority and judgement over the community, stewardship. See also John 21:16-17. Here is confirmed the above passages by the clear establishment of Peter as the Shepherd of the flock.
To the masses, Jesus spoke in parables, but to His disciples, he spoke plainly (Mark 4:11, Luke 8:10). Jesus had no qualms about identifying Himself in plain Aramaic: "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except tyhrough me" (John 14:6); "Today, this scripture (Isaiah) is fulfilled in your hearing" (Luke 4:21); "I AM" (John 18:5-8); "It is He who is speaking to you" (John 4:25-26) . So, why would He be so coy and convoluted in His speech and logic when speaking with the twelve? He Himself said "let your yes mean yes and your no, no" (Matthew 5:37) Why mention rock twice in the same sentence unless it refers to the same thing? Why rename Peter at all if it had no meaning? Who did Paul go to (Galatians 1:18)??? To Peter.
>>75799594
Only by grace through faith
>>75798205
Nonsense. Everyone is an eternal being, and eternal life happens at the instant of salvation when the Holy Spirit enters into you and resurrects you unto eternal life.
Christians and non-christians are not "judged" the same, at all. The Bema Seat judgment and the Great White Throne judgment are polar opposites.
>>75798528
Don't let anyone judaize you dude. If you are a new creation in Christ Jesus, you died in Him. If you died in Him, you are dead to the Law, and the Law does not go after dead men.
>>75798564
This.
>>75799541
>I don't play video games but I'll keep that in mind
It's real good shit, combination VN/escape-the-room. There's a scene where a character talks about the brain being like a computer monitor, just an output device and the mind exists somewhere else. There's a lot of weird concepts like that explored. You can get it on emulator.
>Why would it be purely a function of the brain?
Why wouldn't it? What do you havr that shows that the mind exists outside the brain?
>>75799594
>You cannot properly divide the scriptures.
According to protestant theology, you have no authority or right to tell me what "properly" divied scriptures.
>Because, you know, you're lost. I mean, you know you're lost, right? You know you're not saved?
Again, no arguments. Only personal attacks and self-appointed holier-than-thou attitude.
You are not Jesus, you have no way, no authority of knowing if I am saved or not. Guilty of pride, that is what you are.
>>75798564
why have them judged if they are guilty before-hand?
>>75799833
Yep, are u baptist ?
>>75799923
To show their shortcomings and show off God's Holiness
>>75797049
I have read chunks of his writings but I'm not expert on the guy. From my understanding, much of what he's praised for and known for is seen in the pope before him (Benedict XVI) but Francis just puts in the forefront of his dialogue so he gets taken as a liberal reformer.
For example, he wrote a missal On the Pastoral Care of Homosexual Persons, in which he said "It is deplorable that homosexual persons have been and are the object of violent malice in speech or in action. Such treatment deserves condemnation from the Church's pastors wherever it occurs." That letter got a bad rep, though, because he spent so much time talking about how homosexuality is a strong inclination towards sin. Here's the thing, though: to a Catholic theologian, everyone is strongly inclined towards sin.
And even his anti-captialistic dialogue is visible within the writings of Pope John Paul II and longstanding in Catholic Moral Teaching. The only difference being that JP2 focuses on the Catholic complaints of Marxism first and foremost while Francis is focusing on the complaints towards capitalist systems in relation to the moral law.
Now I respect Pope Francis as a Jesuit who lives by his vows and I respect those vows tremendously and his ecclesiastical reforms but most views unique to him I tend to have problems with. This has little to do with doctrine but rather understanding the facts of the situation that he applies doctrine to.
For example I tend to be annoyed with how he wishes to promote the common welfare of people in society when supporting pro-immigration and focuses on the benefits of a culture of encounter but says next to nothing of the shift in cultural values in society that comes alongside it. He's supporting the common good when it comes to basic needs but forgets it when it comes to the moral good in society nor says not a thing on cohesion.
>>75799923
It's more of a sentencing
>>75799890
>Why wouldn't it? What do you havr that shows that the mind exists outside the brain?
What type of evidence would you accept for exactly what I said here? >>75799129
>>75799484
I appreciate that you cared enough to tell me.
>>75799441
this has nothing to do with the canaanite angle, i don't know anything about that. pic related is why the pharisees are snakes though
When do we assassinate Pope Francis "the Cuck"?
>>75799441
The Jews in charge of Jerusalem rejected Jesus' claim to be the Messiah. They had developed a system of rules in captivity designed to never allow them to break the Law of Moses, which is why they were in captivity.
By their rules, they became very religious. But they had no heart for God, and they not only could not tell that it was their God standing before them, but that they wanted Him dead.
In response, Jesus told them that they were not the children of Abraham, as they claimed via genetics. They were instead children of the god of this world, the devil. Jesus called them a nest of vipers, and the synagogue of Satan, because they refused to believe He was God.
The person lying to you is lost and does not believe the bible is the Word of God. In the bible, in future prophecy, there will be 12,000 young virgin men of 12 tribes who will preach the gospel during the Troubles of Jacob. These 144,000 young Hebrew men of these 12 tribes prove that there are at least 144,000 young Hebrew men of these 12 tribes.
Abraham, the father of faith, left Ur of the Chaldeas when God asked him to. He left the Canaanites, left their evil ways, and left the practice of magic and demonology. God separated him out of the Canaanites, and blessed Abraham through his son.
Abraham though his son Ishmael is the father of many Arab nations, none of which were blessed by God.
Abraham through the son of faith, Isaac, and his son, Jacob/Israel, blessed the world through the production of the Savior, Christ Jesus.
Anyone who says there are no Jews today takes words out of the book of Revelation, and anyone who takes words out of the book of Revelation is accursed.
>>75800185
Maybe we can start with what convinced you to conclude that the mind is some outside thing and we can work from there.
>>75800364
You don't. You do good through good acts and stop thinking you can do the good through destroying.
>>75800454
Logic, Reason, mathematics
>>75799007
Ok Shekelburg
>>75799506
Nico-, combinatory form of nīko, "victory" in Greek, and laos means people, or more specifically, the laity; hence, the word may be taken to mean "lay conquerors" or "conquerors of the lay people".
>>75799688
In contrast to this, in paragraph #2 at the beginning of this article, the Roman Catholic Church says that the rock cannot refer to Jesus "but only Peter--as is so much more apparent in Aramaic in which the same word (Kipha) is used for 'Peter' and 'rock.'" The problem is that the text is not in Aramaic but Greek. Since we do not have the Aramaic text, it is not proper to refer to it as proof of the Roman Catholic position. We have to ask ourselves why the Roman Catholic Church would resort to using something that we don't have: the Aramaic text. Is it because their argument is not supported by the Greek and so they must infer something from a text we don't possess?
Furthermore, in John 1:42 it says, "He brought him to Jesus. Jesus looked at him, and said, "You are Simon the son of John; you shall be called Cephas," (which is translated Peter)." The word "Peter" here is petros--not petra. It is used to elucidate the Aramaic kephas which is not a name in Aramaic.
"Except in Jn. 1:42, where it is used to elucidate Aramaic kēphás, Pétros is used in the NT only as a name for Simon Peter . . . The translation supports the view that Kēphás is not a proper name, since one does not usually translate proper names."
blah blah blah
>>75800659
lmao, never seen bigger mental gymnastics in my life
>>75799706
I don't understand your post.
How did you become a Christian?
>>75799912
I absolutely do, as I am under my High Priest and intercessor to the world. The world that you are a part of.
I absolutely know who my brothers are, and who they are not.
>>75800820
God saved me, when I was 19, and Gave me a saving faith. Only God can save,
>>75799935
I was quite happy in a Southern Baptist church in a small town, but now I take the man crying out in the wilderness "make straight the path of the Lord!"
>>75800454
Well I mostly take it axiomatically. It's self-evident
But, more concretely, I would tell you how the mind, when it observes, imagines, thinks, or remembers, stretches (in a non-physical sense) far beyond purely what it can detect from what the body is transmitting
>>75800059
>Now I respect Pope Francis as a Jesuit who lives by his vows
A vow to never be pope.
You people are just comical.
>>75801000
I'm a reformed Baptist
>>75800215
A fake Wolfshiem appeared a year or so ago, claimed to have been saved and realized that the catholic church was a lie from the pit of hell.
I was so disappointed that was not you.
>>75800454
Cartesian duality falls apart precisely because there is no mechanism detectable between brain and mind. Abandon ship.
>>75800795
Yes, finding out the meanings of Greek words is so odd.
>>75800989
Okay, so we're 0 for 2.
How did you actually become a Christian? And why is this so hard for you to answer?
>>75793731
>>75801087
I love when strong Christians make points and the papists and atheists spit out "baptist!" as though it were a curse.
>>75801196
Not yet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_problem_of_consciousness
There are other autists who are still trying though
>>75800764
None of this refutes what I have said
>We have to ask ourselves why the Roman Catholic Church would resort to using something that we don't have: the Aramaic text. Is it because their argument is not supported by the Greek and so they must infer something from a text we don't possess?
we refer to the Aramaic because that is the language Jesus used irl when he said that sentence. Or do you think Jesus spoke to them in koinè Greek? lmao
>The translation supports the view that Kēphás is not a proper name, since one does not usually translate proper names."
In fact it is a name given to Peter specifically in virtue of his mission. When God changes someone's name, it has a profound meaning and is a reference to what God wants for them.
>The word "Peter" here is petros--not petra
Again, the difference here is made only to avoid giving to Peter a feminine name. In English you don't have gendered nouns, so I hope that is why you have so much trouble understanding. Jesus could not call him "petra" because that would have been like calling him "jasmine": It would be quite embarassing then for him to be called "jasmine"(i.e. petra) all his life.
>>75800897
you are under your own pride
>I absolutely know who my brothers are, and who they are not.
It's always those who think they know everything who are the blindest
>>75801246
Except that description is neither in the Bible, nor in the Church fathers' writings
The Church fathers mentioned them as practicing polygamy basically, this stuff you made up was never implied by them.
The fact that you create this whole fan-fiction to justify your heretical view to yourself is quite endearing but also evidently impossible to believe for anyone other than yourself
>>75801293
I became a Christian when I was saved, then I was Baptized a year later, personal experience if you are asking why?
>>75801372
I like being a reformed Baptist, it appears to be the most biblical sect
>>75801295
funny that you post this. A man was saved from the collapse by an angel. Look it up
>>75801476
Bible: written in Greek.
Your argument: relies on Aramaic.
>>75793731
There's a hobo camped outside my apartment building and he's literally there every day. Has been for over a year since I've moved in.
I know the Lord says to be charitable and I agree, I've given him change before but I saw him one day pulling out a smartphone and typing away on it; in full hobo gear and he was using a smartphone like it was no big deal. Coupled with the fact that he's been there for months without moving or doing anything else but beg in the same spot for over a year, I can't help but wonder what to do.
Part of me doubts he actually is homeless since he can afford a smartphone with a plan, but at the same time the bible tells me to give alms and be charitable. Should I help him at all? Or is he just looking to take advantage of the people on my neighborhood? Curious to see what my fellow Catholics and Christians would do in this situation; should I help someone who doesn't seem to be in need?
>>75801476
>Again, the difference here is made only to avoid giving to Peter a feminine name.
"I shall call you Petros, and upon you, Petros, shall I build My church."
--Things Jesus never said.
>>75795423
>How can we cover our churches in gold, art, idols and precious stones if God told us to give away our possessions?
Have you seen those churches? Are they not beautiful, and open for all to worship in? There is no sin in making them look appealing.
>How can we covet earthly riches when we are told to get treasures in heaven?
There are treasures beyond that of just gold and jewels.
>How can you do what the Pope says if God never once mentioned a pope?
Don't follow what the Pope says, ESPECIALLY not Francis the Cuck. Convert to Orthodoxy.
>How can we ordain homosexual priests if God hates homosexuality?
Don't ordain them. See above.
>How can we please God if we make a public spectacle and bring reproach to God when we kiss black Muslim feet?
See above, again.
>How can we be doing God's will, if we are doing what God's enemy wants us to do?
AAAAAAAnd see above.
Orthodoxy is Catholicism without the Pope and without Cultural Marxism. Convert to Orthodoxy.
>>75801476
>It's always those who think they know everything who are the blindest
The Spirit in me violently disagrees with the spirit in you.
Easey peasey.
>>75801476
>Greek words don't mean anything. Don't bother trying to find out what they mean.
Nicolaitan.
Laity.
Nike
Victory
You lose, to your own clergy, and both you and they go to hell.
>>75801669
Why did he not saved the 2500+ other niggers ?
>>75801783
>Convert to Orthodoxy.
They are even bigger cucks and liberals.
>>75801704
Why don't you go talk to him?
>>75801480
0/3
Sorry dude. I suggest that if you want to be a Christian, you do what is necessary to become a Christian:
Romans 10
...that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
>>75801572
The only nit-pick I would have is that many baptists are teetotalers. I understand the impulse, but not the efforts to twist the bible into condemning all alcohol.
>>75801925
Southern Baptist is the way to go on this
>>75801063
What? There's a vow of obedience to the pope, not that one may not be elected as pope themselves.
>>75801129
>literally one year ago
>remembering this
http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/47721960/
Looks like you'll be staying disappointed.
But I'm out.
>>75801922
Maybe because they were sinful pieces of shit?
>>75801979
I did that when i was nineteen
>>75802055
I'm not, but I am against drunkeness
>>75801682
>your argument: relies on aramaic
not at all. I have already explained why there is no difference between petros and petra. If the Holy Spirit wanted to express a difference between the words, he would have chosen the word lithos, which means "little rock" or pebble.
In the variation of Greek that was used to write the Bible, koinè Greek, there is no difference in meaning, use and context between the words "petros" and "petra".
>>75801733
>things jesus never said
I have already told you why he said it that way. There is literally no argument coming from you though. What's up, do you trust your own made-up traditions more than Scripture, anon?
>>75801806
>The Spirit in me violently disagrees with the spirit in you.
It's normal when one is wrong, for his pride to disagree.
The Holy Spirit would never be against reason and truth. The truth and the reason in what I have given to you is undeniable and crystal clear.
Open your heart your eyes and your mind, anon.
>You lose, to your own clergy, and both you and they go to hell.
Lmao. Sorry but I only let Jesus judge me, you are nobody and will have to be judged for judging unjustly a member of His flock.
>>75799736
Gods judgment is immutable, we will all be judged in the same way.
>>75801925
Orthodox Christians are like .5% of the U.S. population, so those figures are a bit skewed. In Russia, though, they make a much larger percentage of the population.
What is Orthodoxy like in Russia?
>>75802348
Verse?
>>75801949
Because he's known to harass and insult and bother people around the neighborhood a couple of times. I'm not risking getting attacked or something by him. I just want to know what would be the right thing to do in this situation, when the "hobo" has a smartphone
>>75801682
Some parts of the NY were written in Aramaic. That is the language that Jesus spoke.
>>75802170
So Bin Laden was doing Jesus's work ?
>>75801704
2 Thessalonians 3:10 For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: "If a man will not work, he shall not eat."
>>75802389
Revelations 20:11-15
>>75802538
Probably not, although God can use wicked to bring his wrath upon people, Babylon and nebakenezer
>>75802538
He was doing someone's work all right
>>75802163
The Jesuit Order was reluctantly founded on the oath that no Jesuit would ever seek the papacy.
You're so ignorant of your own history, but that's actually to your credit.
>>75802726
The dead were from hades, and it's talking about the spiritualy dead, not the believers
>>75802633
So I shouldn't feel bad about not giving him anything since he's just a lazy bum?
>>75802163
Anonymous ID:M+X3cBlF Thu 09 Jul 2015 12:12:31 No.47753930 Report
Quoted By: >>47753978 >>47754477
>>47753675
I apologize. You were right, and I was wrong. By searching the OP's trip, 3 posts came up. By searching Wolfies, over 2300 posts came up.
My joy at his escaping the Whore of Babylon has turned to ashes in my mouth.
Fuck you OP. You are indeed a faggot.
yup.
>>75802201
Do it now.
>>75802257
Yup. So is the bible.
>>75802259
>no difference between petros and petra.
Petros. masculine word. Man's name.
petra. feminine word. Means rock or cliff.
>No difference.
>>75802348
Rubbish. There is then no condemnation in Christ Jesus.
Only people not in Christ Jesus are judged according to their works, and then cast into hell for their unbelief.
>>75803004
Depends on who you are.
http://www.gotquestions.org/great-white-throne-judgment.html
>>75803248
Jesus is Lord, ( and in my heart I believe God Raised him from the dead)
>>75802513
Jesus speaks any language He wants to. Relying on a fantasy instead of the written word is how the Catholic church started worshiping Mary as the Mother of God.
>>75802921
That's a myth.
Stop believing things you read on /pol/ newddit
>>75803415
Now we're talkin!
>>75803316
in attic greek, but not in koinè greek (which is the language of the Bible)
>>75793731
Catholicfag here
Met some Mormons today.
Memes aside, they were well spoken polite lads that were doing charity work.
Is anyone in here a mormon?
>>75803546
It's the believing point which is the part God gives you when he give you repentance via the Holy Spirit
So, am I going to hell?
>>75803673
This is a Christian thread, so no
>>75803740
If you do not have Christ, you will
>>75803470
(RNS) Jesuits are bound by oath not to seek higher office in the Roman Catholic Church, and now one of them has been elected to its highest office: Bishop of Rome, Vicar of Christ, Pontifex Maximus.
Pope Francis, the first Jesuit to become pope, not only represents a paradox for the papacy, but also the larger history of the Society of Jesus, as the Jesuits are formally known.
“On the one hand, Jesuits aren’t supposed to be in positions of authority,” said the Rev. Joseph Fessio, a Jesuit and founder of Ignatius Press. “On the other hand, they’re supposed to be obedient to the church.”
>Gee, what's a black pope supposed to do.
>>75803854
>no source
I wonder why
>>75803551
Yes, Jesus holds a piece of bread and says that the bread is His body. Obvious symbolism.
Peter had already been called Caephus by this time, and no, Jesus did not build any church on Peter. That you belong to the Church of Peter is your fault, not Jesus'.
Jesus never once called Mary His mother in the bible.
Remember the bible?
>>75803740
Well, let's see. You were born spiritually dead, you have reached your age of accountability and beyond.
Tell me.
Have you been born again?
>>75803995
Jesus is also a door and a Shepard. And the Apostles literally cast lines to fish for men.
>>75803968
http://religionnews.com/2013/03/14/why-the-first-jesuit-pope-is-a-big-deal/
>Google doesn't work in Deutschland.
>>75804097
Yes, Jesus made many I Am statements, because Jesus is I Am.
>>75803995
I can't be bothered to try and explain you why you are wrong on the eucharist and the Virgin Mary 2bh.
>Caephus
it is "kepha" or "cephas"
I'm an atheistfriend, but I really like the Bible. It's pretty nice in both a literary and moral/spiritual kind of way. I've read a lot of good excerpts over the years. Yesterday I was thinking that I should just try to read it from cover to cover, one chapter a day. Then I realized how ridiculously long it is. A chapter a day would take a few years. Is there like a guide for like, "the best of" the Bible? Or like, could you tell me which chapters/books are worthy of skipping? I know a lot of material is repeated throughout that can probably be skipped. If anyone knows a good "reading guide" to the Bible I'd appreciate it. Thanks senpaitachi.
Redpill me on Jesuits guys. Are they really the cult that will bring about the end of the world ?
Is it true that most of the non-jew globalists are jesuits ?
>>75804204
You need to be saved
>>75804204
>Bible
>certain parts not relevant and can be skipped
No.
>>75804199
Alternate spelling is alternate.
John 1:42 And he brought him to Jesus. Now when Jesus looked at him, He said, “You are Simon the son of Jonah. You shall be called Cephas” (which is translated, A Stone).
Beginning of ministry, not the same day Jesus called Peter "Satan".
>>75793977
kek wills it
>>75804204
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=matthew+1&version=KJV
Read from here. Then once you are saved, you can go back to understand the O.T.
May God bless you and speak to your heart.
>>75804204
I suggest reading "The Story", which is not the bible, but which is the story found in the bible in chronological order, without a lot of the "and then Aminidab begat Jehoikim, and Jehoikim begat Uzurruble", etc..
>>75804121
Yes it does and it only gave me conspiracy websites. Surely you can link the oath your website quotes no?
>>75804286
Seconding this request.
>>75804286
Everything that /pol/ thinks the Jews are responsible for has Jesuit fingerprints on it. Everything. Communism, marxism, SJWs, BLM, everything.
They're everywhere and in everything, corrupting everything they touch.
>>75804445
Give Hans link. Hans asks for link.
I'm a Protestant, Lutheran. I recently found God again, so things are a little strange for me. I want to pray more, but it still feels strange to me. What are some ways that I can ease myself into it a little better? God bless.
>>75804286
>Are they really the cult that will bring about the end of the world ?
no. Protestants are only buttmad because they convert people to Catholicism
>Is it true that most of the non-jew globalists are jesuits ?
Most non-jew globalists are freemasons from protestant countries. The capital of zionism outside Israel is the US, after all
>>75804506
>>75804445
Jesuit priests are explicitly discouraged from becoming bishops, much less pope, and that outsider's sensibility helps to explain Francis' almost breezy willingness to dispense with centuries of closely guarded and cherished tradition.
"We never imagined that a Jesuit could become pope. It was an impossible thing," said Fr. Antonio Spadaro, a Jesuit who conducted a book-length interview with the pope and knows him well. "It sent me into a crisis, in a sense, when he was elected. We Jesuits are supposed to be at the service of the pope, not to be a pope."
http://ncronline.org/news/vatican/understand-pope-francis-look-jesuits
Give Hans Catholic link that says same thing. Suddenly remember Hitler was also a Catholic.
>>75804700
Other way around. Jesuit with a merchant mask.
"I furthermore promise and declare that I will, when opportunity present, make and wage relentless war, secretly or openly, against all heretics, Protestants and Liberals, as I am directed to do, to extirpate and exterminate them from the face of the whole earth; and that I will spare neither age, sex or condition; and that I will hang, waste, boil, flay, strangle and bury alive these infamous heretics, rip up the stomachs and wombs of their women and crush their infants' heads against the walls, in order to annihilate forever their execrable race. That when the same cannot be done openly, I will secretly use the poisoned cup, the strangulating cord, the steel of the poniard or the leaden bullet, regardless of the honor, rank, dignity, or authority of the person or persons, whatever may be their condition in life, either public or private, as I at any time may be directed so to do by any agent of the Pope or Superior of the Brotherhood of the Holy Faith, of the Society of Jesus."
Oath of the Jesuits
>>75804817
>oath of the Jesuits
lmao. That stuff is more fake than Mia Khalifa's tits
>>75793731
Ave Maria my Christian brothers!
>>75804902
Nice edge, Tricolor Poo-in-loo
Hey guys, what did I miss?
>>75794040
See this >>75794422
>>75804286
The Society of Jesus was thenceforth recognized as the chief opposing force of Protestantism. The Order became dominant in determining the plans and policy of the Rowish Church. The brotherhood grew and flourished. It planted its chapters first in France, Italy and Spain, and then in all civilized lands.
The success of the Order was phenomenal. It became a power in the world. It sent out its representatives to every quarter of the globe. Its solitary apostles were seen shadowing the thrones of Europe. They sought, by every means known to human ingenuity, to establish and confirm the tottering fabric of Rome, and to undermine the rising fabric of Protestantism.
They penetrated to the Indus and the Ganges. They traversed the deserts of Tibet, and said, “Here am I,” in the streets of Peking. They looked down into the silver mines of Peru, and knelt in prayer on the shores of Lake Superior. To know all secrets, fathom all design, penetrate all intrigues, prevail in all counsels, rise above all diplomacy, and master the human race, — such was their purpose and ambition.
They wound about human society in every part of the habitable earth, the noiseless creepers of their ever-growing plot to retake the world for the Church, and to subdue and conquer and extinguish the last remnant of opposition to her dominion from shore to shore, from the rivers to the ends of the earth.
[Ridpath’s Universal History, John Clarke Ridpath, 1899]
They're assassins.
>>75804930
The Society of Jesus was thenceforth recognized as the chief opposing force of Protestantism. The Order became dominant in determining the plans and policy of the Rowish Church. The brotherhood grew and flourished. It planted its chapters first in France, Italy and Spain, and then in all civilized lands.
The success of the Order was phenomenal. It became a power in the world. It sent out its representatives to every quarter of the globe. Its solitary apostles were seen shadowing the thrones of Europe. They sought, by every means known to human ingenuity, to establish and confirm the tottering fabric of Rome, and to undermine the rising fabric of Protestantism.
They penetrated to the Indus and the Ganges. They traversed the deserts of Tibet, and said, “Here am I,” in the streets of Peking. They looked down into the silver mines of Peru, and knelt in prayer on the shores of Lake Superior. To know all secrets, fathom all design, penetrate all intrigues, prevail in all counsels, rise above all diplomacy, and master the human race, — such was their purpose and ambition.
They wound about human society in every part of the habitable earth, the noiseless creepers of their ever-growing plot to retake the world for the Church, and to subdue and conquer and extinguish the last remnant of opposition to her dominion from shore to shore, from the rivers to the ends of the earth.
[Ridpath’s Universal History, John Clarke Ridpath, 1899]
>>75793731
Fool! This is no longer a Christian board. This is no longer a world of your false Abrahamitic God.
This world is the domain of Lord Kek now. Wither under the greenish gaze of His eternal throne.
Kek be praised.
>>75804902
You have plenty of time to worship satan in hellif you do not put your trust in Christ
>>75805062
>>75805090
HOL UP
YOU BE SAYING WE WUZ ASSASIN'S CREED N SHIEEET
>>75804902
>>75805103
It's the blabbering Austrian again
>>75805156
I see nothing wrong with that
>>75804708
>nothing about an oath
Woopsie
>>75805062
>>75805090
>he unironically believes this drivel
lmao, and you are the same guys who claim the Holy Spirit personally and individually tells you how to interpret Scriptures
>>75805337
There will be no joy, and no pleasure in hell, all the good things in your life are a gift from him, and hell is eternal separation from God, so it leaves with him.
What is heaven like? Will we have anything we want? Will I finally find love?
>>75805682
No tears and Joy, but also praise and duty, so we will be working in the kingdom, but we will enjoy working
>>75805598
You don't even know if hell is real
>>75805882
Yes I do
>>75805934
Yeah, sure.
>>75806184
I know God exists
>>75805682
There's all these little elf guys and they keep giving you these glowing eggs that send you psychic messages about the meaning of life. Everything is giggling and you can move at the speed of light. Also, there are no adults.
Questions for Christians of /pol/:
>What do you think life after death is like exactly? Also do you think it will be on Heaven or Earth?
>Do you think the next life will be never ending, or will it too eventually end?
>Will you have free will in the next life or will the worship of God be fearful similar to slavery?
>Do you think God will end one day or will he always exist?
>Do you think God has the potential to get bored with us and eventually return us to nothing or send us to a terrifyingly unimaginable existence?
And to lighten up the mood:
>Do you think all otaku are going to hell?
>>75808215
>yes after Judgement a new earth will be made, kingdom of God.
Free will isn't really a biblical doctrine, your either a slave to sin or to Christ
God is eternal so he can't die, nor can he lie, so he can't just throw us away
