Generalization vs. Specialization thread
>>75772266
Hmmm, contemplative... There should be continuity in relevant subjects to allow polymaths (super geniuses like Davinci)
However the expansive vastness of modern day knowledge combined with even the best standards of education currently only allows for specialists to further that knowledge base at all.
The world is too bothered with pushing out "viable" work force citizens, standardized rigid education like a goddamn factory. We're not interested in quality, quantity... Mankind's head is up his own ass with patents, plagiarism and crediting someone's work for a few shekels of copy rights.
The very notion that one can lay claim to knowledge at all is nothing but a goddamn ploy. If mankind just stopped fettering with who's work it is and just fucking work with it. We'd be colonizing alpha centauri by now.
>>75772266
How is this a topic of debate? If specialization made people less productive, then no one would specialize.
The world is too complex for renaissance men. If da Vinci were alive today he'd have to specialize
>>75772266
everybody should know bits of knowledge from diverse areas to allow for an easier, more independent and confortable life, a father that can't change a lightbulb or a diaper is plain retarded, as it takes minutes if not seconds to learn, but yeah, without specialization there's no progress, knowledge is too vast nowadays, and there's nothing wrong with delegating fuctions you did not learn to people who did, that's why we developed money in the first place
or we could just develop some way to inject knowledge in someone's mind, but that opens a whole other thing with mind control
>>75774063
I'd claim bullshit on that.
The amount of physics, art and engineering knowledge Da vinci knew still comprises roughly more than 60% of today's Knowledge in those areas.
It would maybe take him a decade to catch up considering the ridiculous advancement we've made in presenting that knowledge.
We have youtube videos on how to build car engines, books that describe perfectly maths from simple arithmetic to algebra to calculus and beyond.
There were no ipads in his time, no faculty of scholars to consort, hardly compiled books or sources of accurate knowledge of already tried and tested theorems.
Instead shitheads like you and me sit and post silly shit on internet boards and make memes.
>>75772266
I consider it good to have both
People who can do multiple tasks and others who can do specific tasks really well
>>75774619
Or just make education exciting. I don't blame kids getting distracted at school listening to some fat ugly hambeast of a teacher doing a job she doesn't want to.
Age of empires, come on... We can totally make games, activities and "schooling" in a manner that is goal driven not performance driven.
Children these days are to bothered with getting good test marks, forced studying things they don't care about and not being introduced to faculties of knowledge that would actually interest them.
>>75774633
>The amount of physics, art and engineering knowledge Da vinci knew still comprises roughly more than 60% of today's Knowledge in those areas.
specialization makes me depressed as fuck, but so does generalization
either you dedicate your entire life to the impact of implanting human sperm cells into mouse anuses in groundbreaking AIDS research but go home every day to watch MLP on your mom's computer because you have literally no other skills, or you become this guy who seems impressive but really has nothing at all to contribute to society that someone else couldn't do better
both are hell
where the fuck are the renaissance men
>>75774901
yeah, but i would argue that a kid can't exactly become a mech. engineer and a neuro surgeon at the same time
but yeah, all the way to highschool we could easily have a more kids focused courses to keep learning exciting, and kids could easily leave with not only excelent general education but a trade or two in the bag and a bit of advanced math/physics/bio/chem if done right
>>75772266
I think it's wise to have general practical skills such as building a fire and shelter building, basic mathematics for the purposes of rudimentary construction should the need ever arise, literacy, a functional knowledge of auto mechanics, perhaps some basic knowledge of other languages, basic drawing skills so as to visually communicate your ideas to others, and so on and so forth. That doesn't mean you can't have a heavily lopsided knowledge towards one or two fields of particular interest though. This sort of fundamental knowledge is just a precaution. You can never know too much.
>>75772266
Neither Descartes nor Da Vinci were specializing in a single branch.
Up until 20th century, specialization barely existed in general, it was not only normal but expected from a man to pursue multiple interests, even if he would succeed/follow only one branch in the end.
It is only for last hundred or so years that we look strangely to people who branch in multiple directions or fields, because of universities and modernization.
An artist is an artist, a mathematician is a mathematician and so on.
If a man can't fix his own sink or fridge and so on, but can do his bullshit 8 to 6 work at the desk - he's not a man. If an artist can paint a tree, but can't plant and grow one - he's not a man either.
>>75775243
A rough estimate at best. But considering he'd be an honour student in Biology, physics Engineering, social sciences, theology, all 3 major schools of art in today's time, it's not far off.
>>75774633
Are you memeing me? Even in the 1800s, you could only make progress in a few fields of mathematics, out of dozens. Quantum mechanics and special relativity had not even been imagined back then, Hell, not even Newtonian physics existed then.
>>75776170
So he knew about stuff like preservation of energy and Newton's laws?
>>75776290
He was already busy with pseudo science on making flying machines, wright brothers used his theories to make the first airplane.
>>75776692
Perhaps not as we know them, but I imagine he would easily grasp them if he had access.
Christ Shit posting leaf and cuck swede. Come one did either of you even bother with college?
I'd tell you one thing, Da vinci would laugh at your "progressive" movement. Diversity is probably setback in mankind as a whole. Instead of learning physics or chemistry we have to memorize Xena's non-morphic fluid gender pronouns.
>>75777518
Which theory?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_and_inventions_of_Leonardo_da_Vinci
Considering the list of his expertise, he alone could staff an entire university's payroll of professors.
You kids are seriously do not understand the definition of a polymath.
>that fucking quote from Heinlein
He himself couldn't do fucking half of that.
Heinlein is a top cunt.
>>75777971
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_and_inventions_of_Leonardo_da_Vinci#Flight
>>75777518
>Instead of learning physics or chemistry we have to memorize Xena's non-morphic fluid gender pronouns.
What fucking Stem course did you attend?
>>75778229
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_and_inventions_of_Leonardo_da_Vinci#Flight
Nothing in that article suggests that he made any such theory of flight and it's pretty well known that the Wright brothers used their own empirical methods to design their plane.
>>75773563
first off, tips fedora
second, I agree mostly except with trade secret.
>>75774633
>The amount of physics, art and engineering knowledge Da vinci knew still comprises roughly more than 60% of today's Knowledge in those areas.
>t. highscool dropouy
>>75778233
Majored in Biology and Psychology, half major in political science.
I was implying how everyone must be more aware of "progressiveness" how minorities actually matter. They don't Minorities will always be treated as that which they are: A minority.
>>75778458
You are such a fucking plonker
http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Wright_brothers
" Drawing on the work of Sir George Cayley, Chanute, Lilienthal, Leonardo da Vinci"
>"die gallantly
>winds up dying of lung disease in his sleep because he was a fucking retard who poisoned his own body
yeah nah
>>75778521
I find atheism incredibly naive.
"There is no god! And I hate that god!"
>>75778567
wew lad, "roughly" should probably underlined for your low attention span.
>>75778611
I have never experienced anything like that.
Even if many of the people I know are extremely politically correct they never care about any such politically correct terms.
>>75778780
That just means they used his work in some way, not that they ever related to his theories.
Both are needed. Specialists are needed to know the depths of their field and push it further. Generalists are needed to bridge the divide between different specialities.
I don't see where the debate is.
>>75779005
>ideal
>anecdote critique on ideal
Fagget.
>>75779065
No, it's at most 20%, which is not even """roughly""" 60%.
>>75779224
>Using someone's work
>not making use of that someone's working theory
ah yes, the swede cuck. Little less nigger seed in your mouth and ass might clear up your addled brain.
>>75772266
You need both, you need to become a total pro at something specific, but it can really help you if you also have strong side skills. However those side skills aren't necessarily "generalisation", they might jut be other specialisations, but still having broad horizons really helps.
If you seek to generalise your life to the max like that guy you won't be remembered for much. If you specialise you can have someone who failed at specialising to do the crap like changing a diaper for you. And if everybody insisted on doing every damn thing themselves we'd still be at the agrarian level.
>>75774633
>The amount of physics, art and engineering knowledge Da vinci knew still comprises roughly more than 60% of today's Knowledge in those areas.
hahahaha get the fuck out of her nigger
>>75779315
Does it matter, it is of a size and amount that you and I times 5 could not cover in our life spans.
>>75780067
What theories of his did they use them?
"Turn a big screw formed thing using human strength and you will move upwards"?
>>75777518
>wright brothers used his theories to make the first airplane.
Jesus Christ, South African intellectuals everybody. Airplanes are built upon gliders, which existed before and after da Vinci. Literally what happened is they (people like Otto Lilienthal) refined gliders then once the power ratio of engines became sufficient they slapped an engine on it.
Did you get your ideas about da Vinci from some kind of a cartoon?
>>75772266
Specialists are lazy
Generalization is good for most every day things and things you might need to know in an emergency (For example knowing how firearms work, how to reset the fuses if they trip, the process of elimination, how to communicate with rescuers when you're in an emergency, etc). Specialization is also good, but we shouldn't be forcing it on people.
IMO the increasing rate of depression and suicide is a direct result of forcing people to do shit they don't want to do. I graduated from high school in 2010 and in my entire time there I only liked exactly one class, that being woodwork (I've since become a carpenter and have built my entire livelihood around working with wood.)
There's a reason that all of the incredibly successful people you hear about generally never took much from school.
>>75780278
60% of what
>>75780408
kek, this. He did some cool shit (a lot of which was impractical or would have never worked like that airscrew thing, and again, gliders have existed since the year 875) but in popular culture he's given credit for way too much.
>>75781479
>>75780572
This is why the number of polymaths in the history of mankind will remain in single digits.
I'm suuuure Da vinci had many peers to consult his groundbreaking work with.
He made inventions to study the possibilities, they're considered impractical but their very fucking reason is to study practicality ,because there were none to fucking compare with in his time.
Fucking polish shits, Good that the ruski's and krauts rekt your shit in WWII.
>>75782762
I agree, but now you have gone from "They took from his theories" to "He explored the possibilities"
Just because you explore the possibilities you don't add much to science, like that Arab who tried to make a flying object some time before him.
>>75783090
Considering in the aspect on how backwards modern art is, I'd say he pretty has still pushed the threshold of art further than most.
On a matter of science he did make more progress than a few generations worth of scholars and scientists.
It makes my piss boil to see how mainstream merely just disregards him as "that guy who knew a lot of stuff" and not actually understand the profoundness of what that means.
>>75783843
I don't really see how that is relevant to my post, sorry.
>>75784137
You took my "they took from his theories" and "he explored the possibilities (to improve and expand his theories)" out of context I believe.
>>75785813
But what was his theories?
The gliders did already exist as the Pole pointed up and that Helicopter thing seems to have been more about him intimidating a screwdriver or something.
>>75774633
>60% of today's Knowledge in those areas
Holy fuck you're stupid, Da Vinci drew a shitty concept of a helicopter. It took hundreds of years of metallurgy, combustion and aerodynamics progress to produce even a terrible version of a working one. And this is coming from someone that dick-rides Da Vinci hard.
>>75774633
>The amount of physics, art and engineering knowledge Da vinci knew still comprises roughly more than 60% of today's Knowledge in those areas.
PhD in physics checking in.... my head hurts reading this. Da vinci´s knowledge about physics/engineering doesn´t even cover the 1st semester... not even half of it.
For his time he was fucking amazing but comparing that to todays times, meaning actually making progress in the fields he did (medicine/biology/anatomy, physics, engineering etc) you´d have to be a fucking superhuman... just not possible.
Our knowledge today is so vast already, that you need to specialize in order to improve in a certain area. You can be well versed in day to day tasks but you will always need to specialize in a certain area, because only specialized people will do a good job, in order to create a good quality. People half assing everything won´t bring you anywhere.
>>75782762
You seem like the person who believes in Great Men Theory. Read a book and stop posting.
Both
If you want to specialize in one field, go ahead, do it. But don´t loose sight of the rest of the picture. Be a complete human being, define your life by something more that one simple line of thought/work.
>>75775954
>If a man can't fix his own sink or fridge and so on, but can do his bullshit 8 to 6 work at the desk - he's not a man. If an artist can paint a tree, but can't plant and grow one - he's not a man either.
basically this
Inheritance vs Composition thread
