China is preparing an air defense identification zone (ADIZ) in the South China Sea, two years after it announced a similar one in the East China Sea, according to sources close to the People's Liberation Army and a defense report.
But one source said the timing of any declaration would depend on security conditions in the region, particularly the United States' military presence and diplomatic ties with neighboring countries.
"If the US military keeps making provocative moves to challenge China's sovereignty in the region, it will give Beijing a good opportunity to declare an ADIZ in the South China Sea," the source said.
The revelation came ahead of the Shangri-La Dialogue in Singapore, a security forum attended by defense officials from various nations, including Admiral Sun Jianguo and US Secretary of Defense Ash Carter. Disputes in the South China Sea are expected to head the agenda of the three-day event, which starts on Friday.
Top Chinese and US officials will also meet next week for their annual strategic and economic dialogue in Beijing.
In a written response to the South China Morning Post on the zone, the defense ministry said it was "the right of a sovereign state" to designate an ADIZ.
"Regarding when to declare such a zone, it will depend on whether China is facing security threats from the air, and what the level of the air safety threat is," the statement said.
China set up its first ADIZ in the East China Sea in November 2013 to cover the Diaoyu Islands, which Japan calls the Senkakus. Both countries claim the uninhabited outcrops but Tokyo controls them. The ADIZ triggered a backlash from Japan, South Korea and the US.
Tensions between China and neighbors Vietnam, Malaysia, Brunei and the Philippines over sovereignty in the South China Sea have risen since Beijing embarked on major land reclamation work on disputed islands and reefs in the area.
>>75749389
A report in Canada-based Kanwa Defence Review said Beijing had defined the area of the ADIZ in the South China Sea, and the timing of the announcement would be a political decision.
The report said the new ADIZ would be based on the exclusive economic zone (EEZ) of Woody Island and China's seven new artificial islands in Spratly chain, or 200 nautical miles stretches from the islands' baseline.
"China's new ADIZ will overlap with the EEZs of Vietnam, the Philippines and Malaysia, which are also planning their own ADIZs – with US backing – if China announced it," Kanwa editor-inchief Andrei Chang said.
Ni Lexiong, a Shanghai-based military commentator, said the seven artificial islands in the Spratly chain had laid the foundations for China to establish its ADIZ in the South China Sea.
But Beijing-based naval expert Li Jie said there were signs that regional tension would ease after Rodrigo Duterte became president of the Philippines.
President Xi Jinping sent a congratulatory message to Duterte on Monday, saying China hoped "the two sides can work together to bring bilateral relations back on a healthy track".
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/01/
>>75749491
The Great Asian Arms Buildup
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2016-shangrila/
Military Wish List
Australia
12 P-8A Poseidon surveillance jets
3 Hobart-class destroyers
12 Shortfin Barracuda submarines
12 Offshore patrol vessels
9 Frigates
India
6 Kalvari submarines
About 90 jet fighters
3 Aircraft carriers
5 S400 Air-defense missile systems
8 Shivalik-class destroyers
4 Kolkata-II-class destroyers
Indonesia
3 Attack submarines
8-10 SU-35 Fighter jets
Vietnam
6 Kilo-class submarines
Thailand
28 MBT-3000 Main battle tanks
South Korea
36 Apache attack helicopters
40 F-35A Fighter jets
Pakistan
8 Yuan-class submarines
8 Block-52 F-16 Planes
Philippines
12 FA-50 Jets
Japan
17 SH-60K Anti- submarine helicopters
1 Destroyer
Soryu-class submarine
10 F-35 jets
Malaysia
6 Frigates
4 A-400M Military transport planes
Singapore
2 218SG Submarines
32 Military utility helicopters
>>75749389
Japan we're with you. Kill the Communists.
What the south sea has that China would be willing to go to war with it's major trading partner?
free turkistan
>>75749389
G7's softened stance on East and South China seas welcomed
http://www.scmp.com/comment/insight-opinion/article/1956858/g7s-softened-stance-east-and-south-china-seas-welcomed
G-7 Warning on South China Sea Tensions Draw China Ire
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-05-27/g-7-leaders-reference-to-maritime-tensions-set-to-rile-china
China dissatisfied with G7 statement on South China Sea
http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2016/05/30/1588314/china-dissatisfied-with-g7-statement-on-south-china-sea
Chinese Diplomat Refutes Aggressive Remarks on South China Sea
http://english.cri.cn/12394/2016/06/01/3441s929526.htm
South China Sea Controversy: Beijing Planning Air Defense Identification Zone Amid US Military Presence, Report Says
http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/05/31/situation-report-china-warns-u-s-on-south-china-sea-fat-leonard-claims-more-victims-russia-military-buildup-underway-north-korea-fail-syria-fighting-pushing-toward-raqqa-and-lots-more/
South China Sea: Indonesian Navy Fires at and Arrests Chinese Fishermen
http://thediplomat.com/2016/05/south-china-sea-indonesian-navy-fires-at-and-arrests-chinese-fishermen/
>>75750880
and turn it into a Muslim shithole?
I hate muslims more than communists, and the Chinese aren't so communist anymore.
>>75751056
>>75749389
>>75749491
You have bigger things to worry once we finish station the new troops and rockets at Kurils.
>you will live to serve the japan-phillipines-vietnam-american vs china war to give china back to the ROC
oh lord jesus this erection.
>>75751376
The ROC would not give up any rightful Chinese claims to the thieves of Vietnam, Japan and the Philippines.
China Says US Treating South China Sea Like A Hollywood Cold War Film
http://dailycaller.com/2016/05/30/china-to-secdef-carter-we-have-no-interest-in-playing-a-role-in-your-cold-war-hollywood-movie/
'Stuck in Cold War': Beijing says won't play role in Hollywood-style movie directed by US military
https://www.rt.com/news/344850-us-china-cold-war/
China says Pentagon clinging to 'Cold War' mentality on SCS
http://www.easternmirrornagaland.com/china-says-pentagon-clinging-to-cold-war-mentality-on-scs/
Pentagon chief heads to Asian summit as nations fret over South China Sea
http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/568323/news/regions/cdo-social-welfare-office-to-revise-curfew-ordinance
>>75749389
BURNED
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E
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Is China packing heat? I mean, nuclear warheads n shit?
>>75749389
Here we go boys......
Time to wipe out chinks like the good ole days.
>China acting tough
I seem to recall them shitting their fucking pants when we sailed the Nimitz through the Strait of Taiwan.
>But that was 20 years ago!
Yeah, and in the meantime, we've developed weapons that can knock all of China's satellites out of orbit simultaneously.
>>75749389
China is acting like an imperialist bully, they are claiming islands, shoals, fishing areas & maritime territories belonging to countries such as Vietnam, Philippines, Indonesia, etc violating these countries sovereignty & EEZ. And Chinese people are being brainwashed through propaganda & fake ancient historical maps depicting islands belonging to China during their dynasty eras
>>75749389
Fuck China. Of all the countries that could emerge as a superpower why'd it have to be the niggers of east asians.
USA please destroy them. You dropped 2 on us, so about 10 on them sounds fair. You're 2d waifus will love you forever for it.
>>75752369
China has no allies in ASEAN if they would go to war & their only ally in East Asia is North Korea. The only threat is Russia's intervention. The US military technology is 20-30 years more advanced than commie China
US/India/South Korea/Japan vs Pakistan/China/North Korea
Great Asian war when ?
>>75751171
i don't care what you hate
>>75752782
Not sure if India would join, Vietnam and the Phillipenes/Maylaysia is more likely, plus Australia.
Such a war would be cataclysmic if it went full scale though and if Russia started to go full slavnigger on Ukraine again it would probably escalate into a world war.
>>75750880
fuck off.
>>75752369
>USA please destroy them.
Trust me I hate the fucking Chinks as much as anyone. The fact that they steal patents without us doing anything makes me very angry.
I hope Trump takes power and starts putting those yellow monkeys in line.
>>75752871
You're not getting Xinjiang back
and you'll be wanting Constantinople back in a few years.
>>75750801
Goodies and oil
>>75752521
o love how you buy our propaganda as fact. you wont feel bad if its just you meat shields doing all the work do you? murica is to invested in the middle east and will continue to be for a few decades if not a century
china went from 500 bil in national debt to 5 tril in national debt in just a handful of years after they increased the military spending. they spend less on man power thats common knowledge
they have a operational stealth fighter and their subs are better than ours. they also have much larger numbers than america as far as military man power
muricas military is in shambles and we spent to much on planes we just recycle in a few years for decades. we spend as much on missile systems that are 30 years old as we did when they were new
>>75752960
We would.
We're soon to be NATO tier allies with the U.S
http://www.tribuneindia.com/mobi/news/nation/resolution-introduced-in-us-house-to-bring-india-on-par-with-nato-allies/212950.html
>>75750880
LOL of course a motherfucker like you overlooks Palestine
G7 agrees need strong message on South China Sea; China says don't 'hype'
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-g7-summit-idUSKCN0YH016
China dissatisfied with G7 statement on South China Sea
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-g7-summit-china-idUSKCN0YI0RV
South China Sea Deployment: Indian Stealth Warships visit Veitnam
http://thediplomat.com/2016/06/south-china-sea-deployment-indian-stealth-warships-visit-vietnam/
South China Sea Controversy: Beijing To Send Nuclear Weapons To Disputed Region Amid US Military Tensions
http://www.ibtimes.com/south-china-sea-controversy-beijing-send-nuclear-weapons-disputed-region-amid-us-2374399
The Chinese embassy in Japan issued a statement: China dissatisfied with biased irresponsible G7 statement on South China Sea. G7 including Japan is irresponsible and Not fair about the South China disputes.
http://www.sankei.com/world/news/160531/wor1605310039-n1.html
>>75751376
>wanting war
Fuck off neocon
>>75751863
>>75752521
>US has awesome weapons
The problem is if the US is willing to use them in this case. For all we know, the chinese occupation has been okayed by some jew deal for debt shekels and the wishy-washy US reponse is the kikes holding onto the bargain.
>>75753320
that pic - why do they claim all the way down to malaysia and browneye.
>>75753218
Stop buying equipment from the Russians and maybe you'll actually be a "NATO tier ally"
Their shit doesn't work, French, German, and American shit does
>>75751574
Yes, but not very many.
~200 I think. Plus they don't use them offensively, they use them as a deterrent of a sort.
>>75753659
U.S is our biggest arms supplier as of 2014 ,
We are cutting the Russians off
They better work fast while weak politician and negotiator Obama is still in office. Weak!
so murricans startin shit again, boy was i surprised
>>75753803
it will be worse once hillary takes over. whats she gonna do. beat them with her vagina?
>>75749389
Good. China will grow rarger.
>>75753994
>China claims an entire swath of ocean owned by like 5 countries
>america starting shit again
>>75753320
中国大使館 南シナ海問題への日本関与に不満表明
Japan made a fuss in South China Sea, your country is an outsider in the problem said China official.
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/html/20160531/k10010541821000.html
China: Japan is an Outsider in South China disputes! G7 including Japan is not fair about this issue.They are irresponsible!
Japan is a pretty crafty nation in this dispute and in law avoiding
Better move that not-an-aircraft-carrier into the south China sea
>>75754236
Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs called the high rank diplomat and ambassadors of seven countries(G7:America,Britain,Canada,France,Germany,Italy and Japan) in Beijing.
China protested that the issue of South China Sea was included in G7 leaders declaration .
中国、G7南シナ海宣言の関連国に抗議
http://japanese.joins.com/article/399/216399.html
>>75754236
Out of curiosity...are you a real Nipon or US military? If real, what did your government think when Trump mentioned it would be ok with him if Japan got nukes?
This is tiring.
ASEAN is alrdy divided on this issues.
The Chinks have alrdy won over 2 main
claimants, Brunei and Malaysia, as well as half
of ASEAN
http://www.straitstimes.com/opinion/why-chinas-salami-slicing-in-south-china-sea-is-bad-news
Philippines looks to be courted as well.
Courtesy of Rodrigo Duterte & Perfecto Yasay
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asiapacific/china-welcomes-manila-s-o/2836448.html
As for the UNCLOS Tribunal:
The Philippines' representation that Taiping
Island is not an island is frankly retarded and
will not hold up in the tribunal. Their argument
Subi Reef, as a low tide elevation, is not
entitled to its own territorial sea is not strong at
all.
The problem for the Philippines is that, its loss is legally-binding by its own admission, but a win will not affect China in the slightest
since it declined participation and the conclusion at the very start.
The Peenoys under Marco and the Viets only cared about the SCS in the fucking 70s. China reclaimed those islands ever since the Japanese surrender in the San Francisco Conference.
Hell,
Filipino boundary has historically excluded Scarborough Shoal. While it used the shoal as bombing range during the Cold War alliance with the US (no eco-friendly consideration there), it never questoined China's sovereignty claim until decades later.
http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2016/05/31/468334/Scott-Rickard-US-South-China-Sea
As it stands today, none of China's neighbors, some much smaller and weaker than the Philippines, has refused bilateral negotiation. Nepal has concluded border negotiation and settlement with China and there is no outcry about "China bullying." Bhuttan has an ongoing dispute with China. Never heard about charges of bullying there either. Even Vietnam, fellow claimant of the Philippines, has successfully negotiated a maritime demarcation with China in the Tonkin Gulf.
>>75755410
Continued from First Comment
North Vietnam RECOGNISED China's claims on the Paracels and Spratlys during the Vietnam War when it was being supported by China. To bring the Chinese into the fray during the Vietnamese civil war, their then-prime minister Pham Van Dong, in a 1958 formal letter to China's premier Zhou clearly stated that "the government of Vietnam recognizes and supports" China's declaration of 12 nautical mile territorial water around the islands in South China Sea that are currently in dispute. Here is his original letter.
--------------------------------------
THỦ TƯỚNG PHỦ
NƯỚC VIỆT NAM DÂN CHỦ CỘNG HÒA
Thưa Ðồng chí Tổng lý,
Chúng tôi xin trân trọng báo tin để Ðồng chí Tổng lý rõ:
Chính phủ nước Việt-nam Dân chủ Cộng hòa ghi nhận và tán thành bản tuyên bố ngày 4 tháng 9 năm 1958, của Chính phủ nước Cộng hòa Nhân dân Trung-hoa, quyết định về hải phận của Trung Quốc.
Chính phủ nước Việt Nam Dân chủ Cộng hòa tôn trọng quyết định ấy và sẽ chỉ thị cho các cơ quan Nhà nước có trách nhiệm triệt để tôn trọng hải phận 12 hải lý của Trung-quốc, trong mọi quan hệ với nước Cộng hòa Nhân dân Trung hoa trên mặt bể.
Chúng tôi xin kính gởi Ðồng chí Tổng lý lời chào rất trân trọng./.
Hà-nội, ngày 14 tháng 9 năm 1958
Phạm Văn Ðồng
Thủ tướng Chính phủ
Nước Việt-nam Dân chủ Cộng Hòa
It is no coincidence that China entered the Vietnamese civil war and forcibly ejected South Vietnamese troops from the Paracels in 1974. It was only after the war and the annexation of South Vietnam, did North Vietnam revoked its recognition.
In 1946, the United States itself reminded the Philippines during its independence that according to the Paris Treaty, the Spratly island group is not Filipino territory.
>>75755576
Continued from Second Comment
The ROC are the ones who exerted control immediately after Japan surrendered exercise control over the Spratly island group, based upon the 1951 San Francisco Peace Treaty.
All sides militarised the SCS. Hell, based on the time scale, it became very apparent that Taiwan, Vietnam and the Philippines did it first.
>>75755654
>>75755654
Continued
In November 1946, China sent naval ships to take control of the islands after the surrender of Japan. It had chosen the largest and perhaps the only inhabitable island, Taiping Island, as its base, and it renamed the island under the name of the naval vessel as Taiping. They'd asserted their claim, based on the Cairo and Potsdam Declarations, which was at the time, uncontested by the Filipinos and the Vietnamese (See Taiping Island & the Pratas). The Republic of China then garrisoned Itu Aba (Taiping) island in 1946 and posted Chinese flags and markers on it along with Woody island in the Paracels. France tried, but failed, to make them leave Woody island. The aim of the ROC forces was to block the French claims.
The Republic of China then established the 11-dashed line on the entire South China Sea, showing the Spratly and Paracels as Chinese territory, in 1947.
Japan had renounced all claims to the islands in the 1951 San Francisco Peace Treaty together with the Paracels, Pratas and other islands. The KMT force of the ROC government withdrew from most of the Spratly and Paracel Islands after they retreated to Taiwan from the opposing Communist Party of China due to their losses in the Chinese Civil War and the founding of the People's Republic of China (PRC) in 1949.
The ROC quietly withdrew troops from Taiping Island in 1950, but then reinstated them in 1956 in response to Tomás Cloma's sudden claim to the island group as part of Freedomland under the principle of Terra Nullis, which in turn, formed the basis for the Philippines modern-day claims in the Spratly Islands.
>>75753320
KEK that line goes all the way down to the border of Brunei? Lol what?
>>75755410
>>75755576
>>75755654
>>75755874
TL;DR
China won.
America is the aggressor.
GG
>>75752960
India wants that delicious Kashmir and I absolutely believe they'd side with the USA or at the very least let us use their country as a staging area to get it. Fuck Pakistan.
>>75756118
But assuming America can survive India first
http://www.chinasmack.com/2010/pictures/filthy-india-photos-chinese-netizen-reactions.html
>>75750042
We aren't Asia reeeeeeeeeeee
>>75751863
I'm not convinced it'll be that easy, especially because we have irresponsible politicians who readily kowtow to the will of the masses. Furthermore, everyone and their mother knows exactly what our plan for dealing with China is (ie: bombing their network of tunnels based on sattelite imagery, thus disabling the heart of their nuclear engine.) Do you honestly think Chinese intelligence isn't aware of this plan and hasn't come up with a suitable counter yet? They have over 5 trillion of our intragov. holdings alone, there's no way they can't afford to prepare a counterplay.
>>75749389
China's shit at happenings. It solves everything with money
>>75755404
Every US president for the last 20 years has tried to give Japan nukes, they keep turning us down.
>>75756333
>Implying
>>75756452
They alrdy have anti-satellite weapons.
Ridiculous amts of missiles, modernisation (Modern military structure, modern airforce)
The PLAAF squadrons that are still flying the remaining 500+ Chengdu J-7 fighters (Mig-21) and 100+ Nanchang Q-5 (Mig-19) ground attack get 100 flying hours.
The squadrons that are flying their most advanced fighters, the 370+ Sukhoi & Shenyang Flankers and 250+ Chengdu J-10s get up to 200 flying hours. The mid-tier aircraft, the 100+ Xian JH-7 strike aircraft and 190+ Shenyang J-8 interceptors would be somewhere in-between.
Chinese mid-to-elite pilots piloting the newer models do get more flight time than American ones.
In terms of authenticity, China’s pretend air battles are getting pretty close to the real thing. That improving realism, combined with Beijing’s new fighters and other hardware, has some observers in the Pentagon. feeling uneasy.
That and their Scramjet, Hyperglide, AESA, PESA, Stealth Jet, Cyberwarfare and 2nd Strike capabilities, all thx to their military spending
>>75753026
>>USA please destroy them.
Wouldn't it be amazing if they did declare agression on us with trump in the white house.
>June 22nd, 2017 02:45 PST - China, due to U.S response to chinese provocation in japanese waters, fires on an american patrol cruiser Killing 20.
>June 22nd, 2017 04:00 PST - President Trump Denounces the act of terrorism and declares 'They messed with the wrong guy, they messed with the wrong country.'
>June 22nd, 2017 04:45 PST China experiences a massive communications blackout as all of their satellites, both military and civilian, are simultaneously destroyed via the Trump/Musk U.S Space Defense Grid (tm) 'Making space great again'
>June 22nd, 2017 05:30 PST A massive set of explosions are heard and felt in provences over ten miles away from the 'great wall' as it is shattered to dust by multiple precision orbital JDAM strikes. Trump forgoes the usual press conference stating only "flimsy wall, heard they stuffed it with garbage like their bridges. Shoulda hired trump contractors" and "Next Beijing? Your move."
>June 22nd, 2017 07:15 PST China calls for cease fire, sends envoy to DC for peace talks. Trump makes them wait on the tarmac for two hours before allowing them to meet him in the oval office, doesn't even bother meeting them at the airport.
>>75756618
>Every US president for the last 20 years has tried to give Japan nukes, they keep turning us down.
Interesting, I did not know that.
>>75756618
Japan doesn't even want their own military.
>>75750801
atlantis
>>75756951
>Trump not hiding in fear of anything even remotely threatening coming his way
>>75756618
Sauce? I have trouble believing this since the US policy on nukes is exclusivity and containment.
>>75754216
Is any of those countries USA?
>>75757332
Our ships sail through that water, and our allies are effected by the claims.
Go back to failing separatist plots in weak neighbors Igor.
>>75757229
>$.20 has been deposited into your account. Thank you for shilling!
>>75756951
The Problem is that China would never attack an American now. They are too 'professional' to get baited like that.
Try harder, Amerifat
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-04-26/chinese-navy-in-south-china-sea-draws-u-s-admiral-s-praise
Around 125 nautical miles from the Malaysian coast in the South China Sea, Hitchcock, the newly-minted commander of the carrier strike group led by the USS John C. Stennis, says his ships have been engaged on almost a “twenty four-seven basis” with a “completely professional” People’s Liberation Army Navy.
“We have had nothing but professional interactions,” he said on Monday on the flag deck of the John C. Stennis, over the near-constant roar of fighter jets taking off and landing. “The ocean is a very connected environment, and the sailors that are on it, the navies that are on it are very connected, no matter what their nations are going through diplomatically.”
>>75757470
So they're either a paper tiger, or they're vapor after daring to strike us. Either way china's time is over. Trump 2016
>>75757470
>Be chinese navy officer
>barely speak engrish
>incoherently scream at a plane flying over international waters
http://youtu.be/OaKbZW0pqkM
Very proffesional.
>>75757463
You're the shill here, m8y
>>75757679
Says Amerilard
I don't give a shit, man.
The Chinks won.
3/4 of ASEAN actually support them/refused to
intervene
The only way America can 'win' now is by
creating an 'incident', which we all know is Bullshit.
Enjoy getting falsely strung along by the Nips, Viets and Peenoys.
>>75757261
Japan's warming up to nukes, but they've been able to build them for decades.
They have everything they need, and could build over a thousand of the things in less than a year, but they feel that having other countries know they could is "good enough", at least for now.
And US nuclear policy is pretty simple. "Nukes for my friends and I, but none for you guys."
>>75750801
USA is blocking its traderoutes and oil.
>>75757845
We're still going to win.
Even with our peice of shit president, we're still going to get what we want.
How does this make you feel?
>>75757845
Chink in Singapore, I wasn't even replying to you, take your propaganda to People's daily
>king nigger is going to be responsible for getting china to align even more against us
holy shit worst president in history
>>75757679
Nope, just one of the silent majority your kind hate. Just one of the AMERICANS who are tired of your doublethink rhetoric and weaponized propaganda that you've spewed at regular intervals in order to destroy the foundations of our country; from the youth to the aged. Just another voter, one man among many, choosing to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN instead of shilling for pennies to your big money masters. Even though you're too selfish and deluded to care, future generations will be ashamed of their lineage when they tie it back to self hating whites and unamerican traitors like you.
They can say what they want people, but they cannot silence you! MAGA! TRUMP 2016!
>>75758026
And in the same breathe you'll praise Trump for doing the same thing.
>>75757439
Our ships sail through Baltic. Gtfo from there. But not like we have problems with you, could fly around all day long. You're too cucked. You're affraid of your own power.
Even roaches have bigger balls.
>>75757973
Then why isn't Americunts occupying Beijing?
Or even the South China Sea?
You lost the diplomatic/economic fight
and by extension, the 'war'.
>>75758010
>nigger
Enjoy your propaganda, Meat Mountain
>>75749389
CHINA YES!
>>75750801
>South China Sea
"Why is China going mad with a foreigner navy near their shores?"
Dunno.
>>75758180
Kek
>>75749389
What's wrong with Air Identification Defense Zone?
>>75757591
I don't think you actually know what that would mean. China has effectively blocked Isis from a good chunk of Africa, but they are still working their way in through south Africa.
>>75753624
cos in their little chink minds they think they own those islands
>>75758180
>Trump
>antagonizing allies like Russia or China
kek
>>75753681
It would only take like 10 nukes to take America completely offline m8
>>75749389
They actually are really scared, believing the CCP mouthpieces is foolish.
>>75758190
Our ships also sail through the baltics, you didn't claim the entire baltic sea though and try to force out US military assets, because you're irrelevant poorfags that cannot into foreign policy.
>>75758211
We have China by the balls and they know it, our ships still sail through their claimed waters with impunity.
>>75752521
>China has no allies in ASEAN
Not correct.
Cambodia and Myanmar are their puppets, and East Timor can be brought easily.
>>75757679
He's right though. China hasn't been the one throwing the punches here. Ever since all these shitstorms began one could feel some hidden hand trying to guide smaller countries into a conflict. It wasn't even a clever ruse, so they didn't fall for it.
They've been pretty chill despite all the threats. No chimp outs, just like a chess game.
Kinda reminds me about the whole Crimea crisis. Russia checkmated and took over crimea and then the hidden hand flipped the board over.
>>75757926
Not really, the US has "friends" in various regions but only the UK and France got nukes and it was 60 years ago.
>>75758298
Kek
The chinks are just butthurt on account of our new rail gun.
>>75753541
When did the world get so fucked up that the Nazis became the sane ones?
>>75753994
Sod off Russia, you stealing land from your neighbors isn't that big of a deal because Eastern European backwaters have little strategic and no economic value.
China trying to steal the South China Sea from all its neighbors actually matters.
>>75758351
Fighting wars on 2 fronts always goes well :^)
>>75758959
Any videos of that firing?
>>75749491
What is the Chinese word for "Manchild"? Cause you now that's what is ringing through his head when he looks at Obama.
>>75759120
>China trying to steal the South China Sea from all its neighbors actually matters.
No, it really doesnt.
>>75749389
Bring it on, faggots! Maybe they should ask what happened to the last country that attacked Americans at sea. Or, better yet, hopefully they don't since they'd love the rebuilding.
>>75758565
Israel has nukes too.
We've also planted them in tons of countries and temporarily given those countries the keys to them on a few occasions. Strategically important allies get nukes, either their own or ours, and japan is strategically important in the Pacific.
>>75749389
>China
Oww I'm so scared
Chinks ain't going to do shit, go and throw your empty threats all you want while we have a pussy in the white house
>>75749389
Kek'd. I think the democrats are so fucking butthurt that a country that actually knows how to use the modern retarded laws, are actually using them AGAINST the americans.
>Democrats "That's our thing.. REEEEEE"
>>75756333
Well, you sure as fuck aren't european you fucking gooks.
>>75751436
>The ROC would not give up any rightful Chinese claims to the thieves of Vietnam, Japan and the Philippines.
At least you're being lenient about Korea.
Good.
I want shit to hit the fucking fan. Race war now!
>>75759282
Google it bitch
It's a sexy weapon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wj1b8wh2Ul4
>>75753613
what would a non-wishy-washy response look like?
>>75759636
This is the history of man, everyone gets bored, shitskins take advantage and seek asylum (invade), and then it kicks off.
All because of boredom.
>>75753320
>china a gud boi hoo dindu nuffin.
just look at that map. fucking kek
>>75754236
>>75755356
G7,America,Britain,Canada,France,Germany,Italy and Japan, did not pick China up a topic as the G7 statement and declaration in particular.
However, China was enraged and China recognizes that G7 criticize China
ASEAN
Somebody stole my food! Who did it?
China
I did not eat ice cream.
It was awful. You were lucky.
You should appreciate my kindness.
ASEAN ang G7
Why do China know that it is ice cream to have been stolen?
China
Shut up!!!!!!!!!!
I did not eat icecream!
We sent military to your country!
>>75758399
>It would only take like 10 nukes to take America completely offline m8
No it doesn't. The most you can take out is the current regime but, then again, a ridged system is like a pane of glass:strong but britle.
The main reason nukes were never used except in two WOODEN(and relativly new) industrial cities is this: nuclear warfare wipes the slate clean by getting rid of the population sinks. If China nuked us with 1000 cobalt bombs, our population would grow at a far higher rate and our industrial growth would far exceed that which we currently have. Urban areas are highly inefficient with both human and non-human resources.
The fact is that China knows this too and China knows that in a post-WW3 world, the ruling party may survive but their population will give them the ability to do a landgrab after they hit all the urbanite locals in Japan, Korea, Vietname, Taiwan/ROC, and Southeast Asia. The CPC literally has nothing to lose at this point and a nuclear war would give them a blank slate to draw upon.
Of cousre, there will always be some retard who'll bring up Nuclear Winter despite the fact that it was just a lie the Russians made up to keep us from solving the "Moscow Question"
>>75758399
>Falling for the EMP meme.
>>75756333
>We aren't Asia reeeeeeeeeeee
Yeah you are
>>75760089
Yall fuckin bing bangs are a strange people
>>75757261
>Sauce? I have trouble believing this since the US policy on nukes is exclusivity and containment.
Its actually extremly imperialistic on their part. They're basically weakening their society(welfare and butter over nukes and guns) just like the Eurofaggots so that imperialism becomes "the only option left". Its like a person walking into a bank with a suicide vest attached to a dead-man's switch: yeah, it seems stupid but he doesn't want to die and neither does anyone else but he's still wearing 30 pounds of dynamite and 50 lbs of ball bearings.
>>75757845
Nice try but your citystate is doomed without a war and you know it. You can only survive in a world of colonialism and China is the big, delicious, elephant while America is the hunter with an elephant gun.
>>75758211
>Then why isn't Americunts occupying Beijing?
Because we're not assholes like Britain. We don't invade people without pretext.
>>75757845
If the chinks won, how come they can't stop our ships sailing through 'their' waters, or our jets flying over 'their' islands.
>>75760991
>If the chinks won, how come they can't stop our ships sailing through 'their' waters, or our jets flying over 'their' islands.
Because they hate each other and no matter what happens, one side will win. They all want conflict and conflict is a brewing.
>>75750260
You do realize that the communists are in the West now? Taxes are much lower in China and the market economy is in full swing. They are not the ones pushing feminism, gays, transgenders and other shit on us.
That's the so called "liberals" in the West. They are the new communists in all but name.
>>75761188
>You do realize that the Urbanites are in the West now? Taxes are much lower in China and the market economy is in full swing. They are not the ones pushing feminism, gays, transgenders and other shit on us.
Revised for accuracy.
day 1 of any china/american war... taiwan and all their western provinces declare independence... facotry shipments cease to america... 1/2 billion unemployed chinese citizens with no money or food start rioting... north korea would collapse in a month
it would be fucking great... fuck those dog eating gooks
>>75759030
The Nazis were always the sane ones.
It was you filthy Anglos who gave Palestine to the kikes and caused all the instability in the middle east due to the presence of Israel and genocide of Palestinians, which is the cause of the rapefugee crisis in the first place, led by the Marxist liberal women and the Zionist scum.
Filthy Anglo scum. Hitler should have wiped you all ugly crooked yellow teethed scum instead of offering peace treaties which you fuckers refused and instead wanted to wage war against Germany.
Enjoy the white genocide you brought upon yourselves.
>>75761350
In what world do you live where China relies on the US for basic necessities more than vice-versa? Seriously, China is world leader in production of most agricultural products.
>>75752782
US is more likely to ally with Pakistan than India
>>75759030
Reminder that it's all the UK's fault WWII happened.
>Appeasement
>failed to keep Germany in its place when it started invading Czechoslovakia in 1938
>failed to back France up when Germany started remilitarizing the Rhineland
>basically disarmed to a large extent after WWI
>>75761743
are they going to ignore the 1/2 billion starving people with no money rioting in the streets? when their economy completely collapses, what mechanism will they use to distribute this food?
Time for China to stop being so beta and create precedents finally!
There are enough chinese people spread worldwide.
Nobody can stop the Chinks, you degenerated white long nosed devils :)
>>75758515
>cambodia myanmar east timor
wow. what a coalition. surely this triangle of power will enable china to lock down all of SEA
>>75762047
Why would their people be starving and thus rioting? Why would their economy collapse and more than the US'? Your two economies are very much intertwined, but at the end of the day China is the producer. Without each other, US has the money and China has the products, guess which one feeds hungry mouths.
>>75759928
i came.
Americucks won't fight the chinese, they're far too afraid, and half their country are liberal fruitcakes who have a nervous breakdown over the sight of a gun
>>75749389
>a country with an independent foreign policy standing up to the USA
OY VEY, SHUT IT DOWN
>>75762277
>Without each other, US has the money and China has the products, guess which one feeds hungry mouths.
that's a simplistic fantasy. are you even remotely aware of the size and scope of US agriculture?
I'd love a war with China. Our economy could use the help.
>>75762047
>when their economy collapses
IT'LL HAPPEN ANY SECOND NOW, I SWEAR, NEOCON OVERLORDS! WE'LL BE ABLE TO SPREAD LIBERAL DEMOCRACY TO CHINA BY 2020!
>>75750042
It's WW1 all over again, except with even more people
>>75753624
Because it's the South CHINA Sea, fuck international law
>>75763398
It'll happen when their one child policy's consequences cause a demographic implosion the likes of we've never seen.
>>75757463
this isnt /k/.
>>75761743
>implying the US isn't also a world leader in most agricultural products
Ahmed, who do you think grows the most corn?
>>75759550
Israel stole the nukes and the US jailed the spy who did it. What other allies other than France and Britain did you give nukes to?
>>75763530
Like how Japan's society has completely collapsed with their demographic problems, right? Then the Japanese overthrew their government and decided to become the 51st state of the USA?
>>75762277
you have very a deeply flawed understanding of how china's economy works and how little infrastructure they have.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism_with_Chinese_characteristics#Socialist_market_economy
http://atlas.cid.harvard.edu/explore/tree_map/export/chn/all/show/2014/
https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html
overnight 1/3 of their economy disappears... the remaining exports are on container ships on the bottom of the ocean. they would have no economy, mass starvation and rioting, taiwan and western provinces will rebel almost immeidately. they would fall apart, it would be devastating.
your criticisms that america would somehow break is laughable when we literally control the oceans and can regain any lost import goods from whomever. mexico/canada would be happy to step up until factories in america can increase production of "cheap shit that nobody needs".
>>75750260
>china
>communist
When will this meme die?
>>75758255
>Indian Ocean belongs to India
>>75749389
impotent posturing like China has been doing for decades, why do they keep humiliating themselves like this?
>WE WUZ DYNASTIES N SHIET
>M-MUH ISLANDS GWAI LO
>>75763643
Japan didn't have a 30 year program of restricting families to a single child that will reduce its work force to a fraction of the preceding cohort's.
>>75763047
Funny that Russia and China "standing up to the USA" somehow takes the form of stealing territory from their weaker neighbors.
>>75763912
The end result is the same, few young people and many old people. China's problem a few years from now is not very different from what Japan is facing right now. Either way, the CCP is taking steps to correct some of these problems, such as loosening one-child to two-child policy. China will go through some difficult times, but mark my words, it will not collapse.
>>75753613
>The problem is if the US is willing to use them in this case
kek they wouldn't have to pretend its "nation building" this time and have a proper war
>>75750042
>we send 1 aircraft carrier and it has more power then all those nations combined
get the FUCK OUT of my ocean
>>75763942
>>75763942
>stealing territory
>from countries that didn't exist until half a century ago
Hmmm, really makes you think. For example, Vietnam had early recognized China's sovereignty over those islands while China was assisting in the fight against the Americans, but now all of a sudden says they belong to Vietnam. Could it be the small nations are greedy here and confident the Americans will waste their men and money for their own interests?
>>75757100
The US utterly annihilated them in WWII. Where is that Polan ball that depicts this. It seems oddly relevant here.
>>75761567
P O O
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>>75760058
[citation needed]
Better learn Chinese boys, these guys don't like Muslims but the Yankees do.
>>75764079
The end result won't have hundreds of millions of workers leaving the work force and entering retirement in a short time frame. Just as the one child policy has created a huge imbalance in the M:F ratio among the younger generation, with M outnumbering F, there'll be a huge imbalance that'll put major strain on China's social safety net. In an already politically oppressive state, that means people are gonna get pissed with no way to legitimately vent. So, less money in China's coffers, expanding government welfare state, and growing political unrest.
>>75764315
These are all speculations. I'm sure these will all be issues, but to say that this will cause some sort of coup d'etat, at least without American interference, is wild guessing.
>>75762277
>China has the products
G7 leaders to discuss steel overcapacity crisis
http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-g7-summit-steel-idUKKCN0YA2ZH
UK and EU urged to act on Chinese steel dumping after US raises duty on imports
Unions say Britain and EU must ‘stop treading on egg shells’ and follow lead of US which has raised tariffs to 522%
German workers protest over China steel 'dumping'
http://www.euronews.com/2016/05/10/german-workers-protest-over-china-steel-dumping/
In defense of the European Parliament: China is not a market economy
http://moderndiplomacy.eu/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=1464:in-defense-of-the-european-parliament-china-is-not-a-market-economy&Itemid=490
G-7 Agrees to Tackle China Dumping After EU Chiefs Warn on Steel
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-05-26/china-steel-glut-tops-g-7-chatter-as-leaders-meet-in-japan
>>75763445
China is Dumping "steel" for what?
China's gives G7 countries economic loss by dumping steel
>>75763767
don't forget that 70% of our economy is internal consumption, 16% imports and 14% exports
If China was smart they would start the war while Obama is still in office and all the US men are demoralized / on the verge of suicide.
>>75764510
It's not a speculation. You said it yourself that'll be the end result. The difference is how China gets there. It enforced a draconian population control policy that will hit them hard in a few decades. Unless China sets up another program to forcibly kill off elderly Chinese citizens to keep things balanced, they're heading towards one of the largest demographic challenges we've ever seen. It's just numbers.
And whether it's a coup or a war or whatever, China will see its short term economic outlook crumble and have few ways politically to manage it.
During Xi's ascension only a few years ago, he and his Shanghai faction had to imprison, kill, or exile rival factions. That is how political transfer of power happens in China in GOOD times.
>>75764873
>>75764873
RARE
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>>75751718
>like the good ole days
Sure
>>75765195
>France
Fuck you, asshole. Vietnam was your fault.
>>75764873
UNCOMMON
>>75763530
>It'll happen when their one child policy's consequences cause a demographic implosion the likes of we've never seen.
I don't know for sure, but I think their policy is only for urban areas which are inherently population sinks as it is. If so, then it won't be as bad as I wished it would be.
>>75765003
Xi's ascendancy was a big exception though, similar to Stalin getting power in Russia. Usually the successor to power in China has come from the same faction as the previous one without any large purges. There was even an unwritten rule to not prosecute high ranking party members, which Xi threw in the trash.
>>75765195
that was your colony wasnt it? weren't you slaughtered just prior to american involvement there?
are you just trying to make bants? or were you triggered because he said gook?
>>75765195
You surrendered without putting up a fight.
>>75765195
>3,000,000 dead nips in WWII
>1,600,000 dead chinks in Korea
>1,000,000 dead gooks in Vietnam
>hurr durr you didn't accomplish your stated objectives
>>75765381
>>75765506
https://youtu.be/3bo6h-7ryfE
they didnt get a chance to surrender.
>>75759332
>seas with a substantial % of world trade passing through them are not important
>>75763587
US never give nuke to us we develops our own in the 60 's.
>>75765195
Your the fucking reason we got involved in that mess you fucking frog.
>>75765963
Doesn't it only matter cause there's a lot of trade with China? How much of that trade do you think is China's?
>>75766005
>paris attacks happen
>france immediately glasses Raqqa
you really missed an opportunity for world relevence and respect. you literally could have done it and nobody would have given you shit.
>>75753320
Holy shit those greedy bastards.
>>75761743
>China is world leader in production of most agricultural products
You're thinking of the American Midwest
>>75764122
>India wanting 3 aircraft carriers with literal poop decks
>>75755654
>>75756089
All these women are heavily photoshopped and did plenty of plastic surgeries btw.
Once again, saber-rattling, the CPP knows it will lose power if it actually goes to war, fighting a war and governing over a billion people is simply impossible, especially if those billion people are expecting a rise in living standards, plus they have more pressing issues like running out of water.
>>75756935
>the han thinking we don't know about their colony in singapore
>>75765195
>Fund and arm frogs to retain Indochina
>Get throughly BTFO at Dien Bien Phu
>America pulls out of conflict for political reasons
>Hurr Durr Americans suck at fighting wars
France literally has not won a war since the 19th century, WWI and WWII don't count since you rode the backs of British and American coat tails for those.
>>75765712
Look like with some practices, you finally have better accuracy and kill less and less civilians
>>75764229
>implying China existed as a country existed prior to our recognition of it in 1978
Culture less Marxist artificial states don't get to claim to be the heirs of the "imperialist" regimes they overthrew and destroyed.
where can i move to so i can stay safe? i don't want to fight a jewish war
>>75756089
Thanks senpai for the good write up, it's pretty hard sometimes to get the true context of issues like these as they get watered down to black and white propaganda in our media
>>75756118
Pakistan should have never existed. Theyve become a safe haven for terrorism and durka durkas religious extremism. If there was a war with China and India joins with the Americans, america should give them their blessings to take kashmir.
>>75749389
>Russia complains about America setting up missile bases in Europe
>America says deal with it
>China sets up bases in China sea
>America complains
America are getting their juice deserts
>>75763870
When was the last time you voted for your president/prime minister or whatever.
>>75761961
Delusional
>>75768689
The US has literally done nothing against this with the Obongo administration
Only SEAsia has complained
>>75765195
POST THE REAL ONE FAGGOT.
>>75761961
Fuck off Ahmed. No chance in hell we ally with Paki Muzzies especially since they were housing Bin Laden for so many years.
>>75762053
>Nobody can stop the Chinks, you degenerated white long nosed devils :)
Hello China man. How many chinks are there in Germoney? :^)
>>75776130
Ignore him
The only impressive thing about the PLA is their size
But even Philippines could probably repel them if they started an invasion now
Their power projection is so shit that they're pretty much stuck in mainland china
Their navy is a joke, and air force as well
Think of it like the Winter War, where PLA is USSR
>>75751441
They sound nervous
If this was 10 years ago China would have leverage
But it isn't and we are no longer the only country with a legitmate military force that wouldn't mind a piece of China
>>75753198
You've took the political stance of our military but if you actually served you'll realize despite what it said on air , on paper and in front of you the military is still the strongest in the world
>>75777086
They always put forward shit about how the army is in shambles in order to justify increasing military spending.
The only thing that has been cut back a bit is the navy but that can change really quick with a competent president.
Dumbass chinks dont own the fucking sea
I say this is all because the US is not a leader, obama seems to not want to get into a conflict. I kept warning /pol/ that if the US does not deal with russia it would have to deal with china, but alas you fags did not listen now ww3 is steadily brewing.
>>75749389
China NO!
I'd love the based Chinks to purge the fucking US and Cucknada, the font of SJW bullshit. Then they can make even more racist adverts to trigger the remaining cucks to death.
>>75749389
lol ok
>>75778196
>I say this is all because the US is not a leader, obama seems to not want to get into a conflict. I kept warning /pol/ that if the US does not deal with russia it would have to deal with china, but alas you fags did not listen now ww3 is steadily brewing.
I agree with your analysis but there is not much we can do about that at the moment. Obama is a liberal ideologist. He believes that everything can be resolved by talking and unfortunately these faggots voted for him twice.
Hopefully Trump gets in and puts China and Russia back in line.
>>75757845
>chinks being better rulers than america
Delusion
Oh wait, youre probably a chink anyway
>>75779599
Trump will crash American economy, pal. It is all funny and memes with Trump but you can't sustain even bigger army.
>>75761743
>he actualy thinks the US relies on China for basic necessities
Holy lel
>>75779994
We can if we can reduce our trade deficits with China.
>>75779599
>trump
that is questionable considering that he hired an adviser that was the adviser of our previous russia-shill president.
>>75780251
its not that simple. Trump simplifies things so his audience on rallies could understand, but its much much more complicated. Every action has consequences and China is not a passive player who will just wait and look at you, they also can fuck USA economically if you try to fuck with them.
>>75780251
how do you expect to do that considering that china produces most of the shit you buy?
>>75780692
> they also can fuck USA economically
Our economies are tethered to each other. If they try to fuck with our economy they essentially damage theirs. It is a double edged sword. The key is to remove this bond and the best way is to increase independent production (i.e. stop buying as much shit from China and make our own). At that point it will be the Chinks that will be in the most trouble and not us.
>>75780895
We didn't always use to buy from China as much. Trump's whole message has been increase manufacturing here at home and less abroad. Because of this though, he has been called somewhat of an economic isolationist.
>>75761743
>China is world leader in production of most agricultural products.
naw I am pretty sure china is a net importer of agricultural goods, at least that is true for wheat and corn.
Do people here actually believe that china is still our largest trade partner?
>>75751203
Fuck off, mate. If we nuke Nipland where the hell am I supposed to get my Mongolian cave paintings to wank to then, huh?
>Americans thinking they will be forcing China with demands
Holy kek
China is already pulling ahead of you and theres nothing you can do without shooting yourselves in the foot.
>>75781466
T. Zhang khan
>>75756333
lies
>>75749389
Itd be great if we could bring manufacturing back to the US, but in case we dont, lets at least move it to Indonesia, Malaysia or Thailand. These chinks are getting far too uppity and arrogant.
>>75781003
If only that would be that simple to do as to write this on 4chan in 3 sentences.
>>75763007
>half their country are liberal fruitcakes who have a nervous breakdown over the sight of a gun
Versus your entire country?
>>75781146
manufacturing jobs will be automated soon though, also the US is transitioning to a more service based goods economy anyway and in such an economy it is prudent that the amount of affluent consumers is high and to do that I think it would be in the USes interest to raise the minimum wage.
>>75779994
I hope Trump goes full fuhrer and starts WW3. Fun times ahead of us, boys.
>>75781380
Didn't know they ever were one, I figured they just said "ah yes, trade partners" while fiendishly rubbing their hands together like that chink from South Park
>>75781706
>Indonesia, Malaysia or Thailand
And some day those countries also will become " far too uppity and arrogant" (Indonesia also islamic) but at this point USA will loose all the potential.
>>75781845
Weve always traded more with Canada and Japan lol. Like 40% of our trade is with Canada
>>75749389
.50 cent posters:
How do you justify this?
>>75781831
it is rather funny hearing that from a russian.
>>75749389
I give them a week before they show up at the White House after Trump's swearing in and executes the head of the party in front of him before taking to the floor and bowing at the god emperor's feet for forgiveness
>>75781929
You dont, China is retarded
>>75781818
>transitioning to a more service based goods
Dumbest way to say 'hyperinflation' evar.
>>75765712
>3,000,000 dead nips in WWII
using nukes against civilians
>1,600,000 dead chinks in Korea
fought between north and south
>1,000,000 dead gooks in Vietnam
fought between north and south
>>75781932
I am a devout follower of Kek. Let darkness and chaos consume all things.
>>75780608
>>75780895
why every time i see ukroflag posts on 4chan i feel shame
>>75781380
Nigger you're on a board where a solid half of the posters are either shills for the RIDF or outright Rusiboos who actually think Russia isn't a communist shithole and America's enemy. And this is the closest to a redpilled zone as you will ever find on earth
What do you think?
>>75782179
Point taken, for future reference less than 20% of our trade is with China. Majority is Canada and Japan (about 50% total or so)
>>75761188
That girl is real attractive, who is she? I think that's one of the few blacks I'd ever sex or marry
>>75782179
>Russia isn't a communist shithole
We're an oligarchical autocratic shithole. You're the next commies, mate.
>>75753198
>they have a operational stealth fighter
>their sub's are better than ours
But that's wrong you dumbass
>>75782078
considering how ubiquitous the US dollar is, the US will never suffer through hyperinflation, ever. hell I am will to bet that the US could even go through a period of deflation if it was not in its interests to maintain a steady level of inflation.
>>75752258
The latest map of these ancient maps are from Kublai Khan times, which ironically would give Mongolia more legitimacy of claiming the South China Sea
I have a real hard time believing that Chinks have 100+ national IQ. Even the an uneducated Manila squatter is smarter than that
>>75782157
because you are retarded mate.
>>75781932
Dirty hohol, pls
>>75752258
>Japan is acting like an imperialist bully, they are claiming islands, shoals, fishing areas & maritime territories belonging to countries such as South Korea, China, Russia, etc violating these countries sovereignty & EEZ. And Japanese people are being brainwashed through propaganda & fake ancient historical maps depicting islands belonging to Japan
fftg
>>75761743
>China is world leader in production of most agricultural products.
what in the U.S. we get barely any agricultural products from other countries not on the North or South American continent. That and over half the world depends on U.S. wheat and the other half on U.S. corn.
>>75781769
I never said it would be easy :^)
But where there is a will there is a way
>>75781777
kek topshelf American burn
>mfw a former colony like indonesia has a better army than his colonizer
