Can we have a proper discussion about Homosexuality on /pol/?
A thread in which doesn't get shitposted or deleted by mods? Is it even allowed?
I mean, it's directly related to political issues / world events. Hell, even news. Sometimes, anyway.
Now -- I know the general populace of /pol/ disagrees with it, but other than for biblical reasons, is there a real reason for this?
Lets just say that I am a homosexual that doesn't agree with pride parades, doesn't agree with the overly flamboyant behaviour SJW's / Far Leftists. Would I have a part in your camp? Or would I still be a "degenerate". If so, other than not being gay, how would a homosexual man join you all or not be beleaguered by insults.
The next point of issue is marriage. Taking out the relativity to religious ceremony, do you think that two men should be allowed to be "married" if they love each other enough and wish to spend their life together. (And or get the same benefits as a straight married couple between man and woman)
Can we make this a general thread to discuss homosexuality and hopefully keep shitposting to a minimum. I know I'm asking a lot, but we have a lot of the same threads every day, but rarely do we discuss things like this seriously.
>>75737939
Im not anti gay. Im anti degeneracy.
>>75738020
Okay, so would Anti-Degeneracy = Anti-Gay though?
Like I said -- Imagine I'm gay. I have a boyfriend. We've been together for several years. We're like every other couple, we don't go do overly gay shit, we don't do any social justice shit, we're just a "normal" couple, only we're both guys.
>>75738411
Having sex with another man is completely degenerate, doesn't matter religion beliefs, it's degenerate because we aren't supposed to do that kind of things.
Gays could be accepted in society with only one law: Don't have sex.
No
Tldr
Come on, I want to have a proper discussion on this.
>>75738688
Is there an actual reason for this? I mean a proper reason to this other than;
>You're not to supposed to put your penis into a butt
Otherwise female on female would be alright, right?
I'm gay and I hate gays. There should be straight pride for populating the earth and using their energy, years, and money to bring these children up. Gays go out, get high, drunk, and so much casual sex that they lose their personality. There is nothing proud about being gay atm. If I could take a pill to turn straight I would.
>>75738867
>Is there an actual reason for this?
1. Is not moral.
2. Biologically incorrect.
Therefore is degenerate. It applies to any homosexual, male, female or aliens.
>>75738895
I think your opinion has been slightly skewed. I don't want to be a "Not all ***" idiot, but really, that's what it is. You seem to be confusing one scene for all.
I'm not saying you have to be a "pride faggot" but come on.
>>75739091
Isn't morality subjective? The morality of the normal person has changed significantly in the last several hundred years.
Well, not completely. Right is right, and wrong is wrong. Killing has always been something that's wrong, but I think this would be more of a gray area.
>>75737939
Really makes you think...
I am kek watch my dubs
Homosexuality is degenerate and serves no purpose. People who claim to be homosexual are mentally retarded and serve no purpose in gods plan. They are failed products of reproduction.
They should be thrown off a cliff
>>75737939
Religious marriage under God is between a man and a woman.
If you want me to go into SJW terms, it's outright intolerant of gays to expect those following their religion to be forced into accepting it. If Christians or Catholics did that to some Islamic follower in the States, do you know how huge the shitstorm would be?
However, civil marriage recognized by the state is absolutely fine and I believe it should hold the same rights. This would also be applicable for the atheists who choose not to marry in a church.
I don't care what you do with your cock as long as you don't try to push it on any kid you decide to adopt. This goes for straight couples as well: no one wants to see your shit in public.
>>75739447
Surely there are enough people on earth at the moment though.
In fact I'd say there is too many
>>75739275
>Isn't morality subjective?
Yes, it's subjective. But what it will always be degenerate because we are not made for fucking the same sex, that's why men have a dick and women a vagina.
Gays like him are okay >>75738895 he would prefer to be hetero but he can't (in my opinion maybe with some kind of doctors you could change that but im not very informed about that)
>>75739649
That's a completely fair point. I agree with pretty much all of it.
>>75737939
hey man.
i don't think i'm gay, but i don't want to pursue any m-f relationship beyond a close emotional attachment.
i don't want sex with a female, even less so with a male. i just want someone to talk about sensitive things with, and hope that they are also comfy enough to confide in me.
to me, sex just means that 'i trust u'. obvsly there are different types of sex, like sex for the sake of getting off that sexual heat, but also emotionally fulfilling sex.
i want the latter only.
but not with men, but i think i can achieve some sort of epiphany with a guy to confide in.
so i think i'm biromantic heterosexual?
>>75737939
I'm all for equal rights for gays, as long as they aren't the faggoty gays who won't shut the fuck up about how they love cock. Two wholesome men who are mentally sound should be able to raise children.
Marriage is not a right though.
>>75739856
I'd say Asexual. I don't really like all these "new" age types of identifying sexuality type bullshit. But I think Asexual most closely identifies you. Basically just someone who isn't really sexually interested or active.
Or maybe you just have a low sex drive. A lot of people really misuse the term Asexual for low libido.
But I understand what you mean.
>>75739921
That sounds fair;
>Marriage is not a right though.
What about what the other anon here said;
>>75739649
>Civil Marriage recognized by the state
Because as it is, marriage offers certain benefits which can be incredibly helpful to couples living together.
>>75740086
the government shouldn't have anything to do with marriage
>>75740317
That also sounds fair enough if the benefits of marriage were removed. But until that point, do you not believe they would be deserving of the same benefits?
I disagree with religious ceremony, because that and this are different. You can't force it on someone or something. So lets call it a Contract or Commitment via the state; a recognized marriage.
>>75740422
>until that point
>lets further involve the government
no I don't think we should involve the government further in the meantime
>>75737939
I hate how much I love gay porn. I wish jesus could make me stop being a faggot.
>>75740560
>lets further involve the government
I wasn't implying anything of the sort. For all intents and purposes the whole "Civil Marriage recognized by the state" is already in act in a good part of America and Canada. But if you want to remove the government from marriage, doesn't this mean the benefits of marriage should also be removed?
>>75740681
>doesn't this mean the benefits of marriage should also be removed?
of course
>>75740086
>>75740317
I agree with this lad, the government doesn't have the authority to tell the church who should get married and who shouldn't. That goes against separation of church and state, one of the founding principles of the free world.
Civil union, having the same benefits as marriage, should be for anyone who wants it.
>>75740560
>in the meantime
Look, its never not going to be governmentally instutitionalized. The government handles child support, alamony, prenups, etc, its intertwined with government.
Are you a lolbertarian? I don't think marriage should be a legal issue, but the fact is it has been forever and it most likely will not change, so we must talk about faggots getting married and if we should allow it.
I don't think we should because gay people spread their beliefs onto children even if they don't mean to. I was brought up around faggots, you don't understand much of anything else besides sex sex sex sex sex. It's awful for a child to just be thrown into adult world issues (SEX) and have no childhood.
Something like 70% of pedophiles are homosexual also. 60% of all homosexuals will have sex with a child/minor at some point in their lives. Gays have higher tendencies of mental illness. They have higher tendencies of suicide. They have high tendencies to commit murder and rape. The gay community has a massive drug problem.
I don't think promoting gay culture is good at all. It's like Nixon said, there will always be fags and sluts, but you shouldn't glorify them. Just let them exist and leave it at that.
>>75740782
Than I agree whole heartedly.
>>75740681
I think marriage should be a civil union endorsed by the church. This goes against separation of church and state until you understand it's literally just for convenience; the alternative being applying for a marriage with the church AND union with the state. It's just a hassle.
>>75740889
forgot my pic
>>75740889
Assuming those stats are right, what causes such degeneracy? As much of a meme it is, without a theory it could be pure coincidence.
>>75740889
>Look, its never not going to be governmentally instutitionalized.
not with that attitude
>and if we should allow it.
my stance is: no and nobody should have wasted their time petitioning for such a thing when they could have been petitioning to remove the government from marriage
I believe the government insentivizing marriage has contributed to the downfall of the institution. Young idiots jump into what should be one of the, if not the, most important commitments of their lives for a tax break. Aren't we at over a 50% divorce rate currently? Then you factor in the legal aspects of divorce and it's just the government causing further strife with its meddling.
>>75741071
Encouragement. Environment.
Also, anecdotally every gay I met was molested or had a sexual encounter with someone of the same sex before the age of 11. Being gay is a fetish that if you feed it, it gets harder and harder to get out of.
That's all sexuality really is. If you don't feed it you won't want it. I used to be bisexual. I no longer want the same sex, in fact the idea repulses me.
I don't think its coincidence, head over to /lgbt/ and look at a "first time thread" you will puke and be amazed by how many of these faggots were raped as children and then grow up to do the same to children.
>>75741224
Most of the "First time"s in those threads are boys playing with other boys of the same age. Most of it's innocent as fuck.
>>75741143
I agree that it shouldn't be a legal institution, but I stopped trying and worrying about it, at least until the other 90 awful things on my top 100 list of "Things destroying the country" get taken care of.
>>75741312
And that's my point. It's something that starts young.
Defensive much? Take one in the cornhole when you were a lad?
>>75741337
It's fine to have priorities but, I wouldn't have my stances be conditional on what I find most pressing.
>>75741373
>defensive
Defensive is difference from stating facts. I was stating facts.
Most first times in straight threads are also very young.
There is no correlation.
>>75741224
Alright, so is homosexuality actually a bad thing? Is it the problem, or just a symptom of a troubled childhood (just as the other things could be)?
>>75741504
Except straight kids fooling with the opposite gender is normal. Gay kids fooling around causes an abnormality in children that causes them to WANT the same sex. It's not a matter of "I can't do chicks" or " I don't find women sexually attractive" It's the same as a guy that can't get off unless he is fucking the soles of someone foot. Is his sexual orientation "feet"? No! It's not! Its a fetish.
You missed my point, but that's fine. The facts I stated are true though, regardless.
>>75741632
see
>>75741021
and you decide if its bad.
>>75741636
Wait -- Are you seriously saying being gay is a fetish?
>>75737939
no. homosexuality is degeneracy and opens the door for all this transexual agenda we're dealing with today. Allowing sexual deviance and general moral degeneracy is a sign of a sick and dying civilisation. The Romans heavily embraced homosexuality shortly before their fall. Anything that lessens the importance of the nuclear family is a threat to our society and needs to be removed... unfortunately Western society is so deeply corrupted that it all seems so pointless to stand against anything.
>>75741653
I've seen it, but it could equally be a harmless symptom of childhood trauma. Again, that's just correlation.
>>75737939
>Can we make this a general thread to discuss homosexuality and hopefully keep shitposting to a minimum. I know I'm asking a lot, but we have a lot of the same threads every day, but rarely do we discuss things like this seriously.
There's a board already for that fago. This will not be a general or daily thing. Get your stupid little troll questions out of your system, but don't think for a second there's going to be a homo thread just because you like this board.
Fucking special snowflakes sometimes.
Pic related, another snowflake
>>75741810
I used to be bisexual. It is a fetish, the same bestiality and bdsm.
Prove to me that it isn't a fetish. I provided proof to my theory, how can you say it isn't a fetish? People aren't born gay. People learn sexual behavior. Being gay is a learned trait. It is a fetish.
also homosexuality is in fact a mental illness. this whole dialogue that it's a "circumstance of birth" is complete garbage, it's completely psychological and has to do with how you're raised. that's why the ONLY evidence linking homosexuality to genetics is that twins are sometimes both homosexual. Not surprising considering they had similar upbringing.
>>75741810
Tbf, anything that deviates from normal human sexuality is a fetish.
>>75737939
Girl on Girl = good
Boy on Boy = bad
End of discussion fgt.
>>75737939
the answer to your questions is Milo
degeneracy
>>75742038
This. Mental illness is a buzzword imo, but its definitely abnormal and shouldn't be glorified in any way. Gays have been "cured" before.
>>75737939
Faggot.
>>75741979
I don't believe in coincidences. To each their own I suppose.
>>75737939
It's quite literally a disease.
https://jaymans.wordpress.com/2014/02/26/greg-cochrans-gay-germ-hypothesis-an-exercise-in-the-power-of-germs/
>>75741810
It's an older fetish, but it checks out as one.
Nothing wrong with being gay as it doesn't harm anyone.
Marriage is a religious institution and should therefore be as defined by the religion but should also not receive any benefits from the state.
Benefits should go to couples having and raising children instead.
>>75742120
we are on equal ground singapore.
OP is phaggot
>>75741636
So doing gay stuff makes you gay and want to do gay stuff?
Don't you think it's an easier and less retarded assumption that bring gay makes you want to do gay stuff?
>>75742331
I don't argue with liberal faggots from Cuckmany. Enjoy your Muslim cocks you faggot.
>>75737939
It's degenerate, but most homos are full homo, so they can't have sex with women even if they tried. I have no problem with it so long as they don't butter it as some special snowflake condition which only ends up confusing teenagers and near-queers to try being gay.
In other words, I'm all for gays to do what they want, just keep it to yourself.
>>75742386
That's not even an ad hominem, instead of attacking my character you are attacking a meme persona.
Good job showing what you religious retards are worth.
>>75737939
Being gay is fine, marriage is fine without the ability to adopt kids.
Flaunting sex in public is just annoying, regardless of whether you are gay or straight.
I have no problem at all with homosexuals, let them marry and have rights and so on. Only thing which worries me is adoption by homosexuals, im not sure a child grows up healthy with two guys as parents, these worries goes the same as children with only a single parent, i dont think it's healthy.
And it goes without saying that i hate the flamboyant behaviour of pride parades, that shit should be burned.
>>75742793
also, even though i have no problem with them, i still consider homosexuality as a mental illness. A mental illness you can be born with, but also get later on in life, like depression or something along those lines.
>>75737939
You know what cunt? Go fuck yourself. I don't know how many years I've had to listen to this fucking non-issue homo-shit on the news because 2 fags wanted to bum each other and decided they should be heroes for it. You fags are the most attention-whorish pieces of shit in the world and if you truly cared about being normal you'd act like normal human beings.
Eat shit, as I'm sure you do anyway, and kill yourself
>>75737939
i dont agree with the degenrate life style but who am i to judge, live and let live
>>75739091
There's actually good evolutionary reasons for homosexuality.
>acts against overpopulation, this might be why you're more likely to be gay the more older brothers you have, if you're from a big family there might be limited resources in your area
>two masculine gay men would be better suited to go on long hunting trips away from the camp because their lover is with them so they won't want to stay close to the camp to be with their female partners like straight men would
>more feminine gay men who'd prefer to stay in the camp rather than hunt would still be physically stronger than the woman so can protect them in case of attack when all the more masculine men are out during the day hunting
>gay couples can adopt orphans of the tribe as they don't have their own kids to worry about like straight couples, this happens in certain other mammals
>>75742793
If a gay couple adopts they have to go through a screening process, unlike straights who can have kids whenever they want even if they're completely unfit to parent.
>>75737939
While i'm mostly hetero i had a period when i was a teen that i used to crossdress and date guys in their late 20s-early 30s.
I guess it was degenerate, however once i finished HS i left that behind and i now am a productive member of society who is planning to marry with a fine girl next September.
I've never been a SJW, never have associated myself with LGBT movements and have always been right wing.
Experimenting with your sexuality and having sex with another guy won't make you a degenerate if you do realize you have a role in society and that is to be a strong men, get married and have children.
