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>>75729216
yay!
>>75729216
Saved this.
Christian General is best General
>>75729453
People see that a Globalist World Government is forming.
If anyone can be brought to God and realize that Anti-Christ shall usurp the world, it's people on /pol/
I need to know, who is making the Christ chan comics and why does /pol/tan seem to mimick my appearance, even changing its hairstyle when my hairstyle changes? The last picture I saw of /pol/tan had my unemployed, uncombed, unwashed hair that I'm not particularly proud of.
Basically, is there an obsession with me amongst this new generation of theists? Do you not understand why I'm anonymous? The age of prophets is over.
No, seriously, who is doing this and how are they recognising me?
Our friend, Dawkins.
>>75729216
I have a question for ya kaffirs.
There are millions of different churches. Baptism, Methodism, Lutheranim, Calvism, Mormonism, Anglicanism (i think all of them are consered as Protestant) and then Eastern Ortodoxy which every nation has its own church but even they are seperated in Nicae and Chalchedon as Monoteism, Armenian, Goergian churches. I saw even niggers in US and Maoris in NZ has their own churches. Only Catholics are solidly following Rome.
Can any one briefly explain why christianity historically seperated so much and are each one of church conseders believers of other churches as heretics. Also you can recommend a book on this issue.
>>75729616
No where in the Bible does it mention church. No where.
Anyone that goes to church is free to do so, it is interesting to build up a community of likeminded people, but to think that a man (priest) can absolve you of your sins or that a man (the pope) can represent The Lord Himself, is completely misdirected and not Christian
>>75729616
>Baptism, Methodism, Lutheranim, Calvism, Mormonism, Anglicanism
The Protestant Reformation brought a lot of conflict. It basically allowed laymen to make their own interpretations, rather than well-studied theologians.
They did bring up valid points about the corruption of the Priesthood.
> Eastern Orthodoxy
An entirely political schism, it wasn't theological in nature.
The Byzantine Empire didn't want to do what the Pope said, and was offended by the Holy Roman Empire and Charlemagne.
It was purely political.
Orthodoxy is not considered heresy though.
Schismatic does not = Heresy
hung fucking stop worshiping Christ and east comenzat to do something with your life ... failed
If I don't get to be antichrist in this lifetime I'll be piiiisssedddd
>>75729792
>No where in the Bible does it mention church. No where.
>Matthew 16:18
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Failed people
>>75729803
>Orthodoxy
>political schism
GTFO
>>75730097
I respect Orthodoxy and would attend the mass of an Orthodox Church if I had no other option. But you can't deny that the Byzantine Empire was offended by the Holy Roman Empire.
The Catholic Church failed Russia by the way, and for that I am sorry. I wish we had done what the Holy Mary told Sister Lucia was necessary.
>>75729895
https://carm.org/is-peter-the-rock
>>75729616
I am catholic and I dont consider other heretics. Most of those churches are the same Just being named differently. As long as the follow God, it's fine
>>75730199
He re-named him Peter for good reason.
>Peter is a common masculine given name. It is derived, via Latin "petra", from the Greek word πέτρος meaning "stone" or "rock".
>>75729616
i gave you my answer in the last forum
>>75729216
>Catholic
>Christian
Is this a parody thread?
>>75730361
There's a lot of people who have heretical ideas, I probably do without knowing it, and I believe it's impossible to have a perfect understanding of theology.
But certain things, like how Mormons deny that Jesus is God, is certainly heretical.
>>75729216
I asked Wolfsheim to respond last time. Have you viewed this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bVEXZ38Vs8
Or parts of it
>>75729453
/pol/ is secular
>>75730365
did you read it?
>>75730447
I haven't watched it. That's 8 hours long mane. Maybe I'll bookmark it and watch later.
I'm not Wolfsheim though. I agree with him on many aspects, but not on some.
Everyone is different. We're both Catholic though. I'm a much newer Catholic, but been a Christian for a longer time.
What should we do about venezuela?
http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/75623630/
>>75729803
Wrong. Many of the Reformers were actually the first of their generation to bother learning Hebrew. They were all articulate men. Your generalisations reflect the retardation of most Romanists.
>>75729616
Within Protestantism/biblical Christianity there isn't much difference. Only a few doctrines. The gospel is pretty much the same. It's whereas Roman Catholicism is an extreme heresy with a lot of different doctrines akin to Mormonism. EO is less aggressive in its heresy but still heavily pagan. I guess short answer; Satan.
>>75729895
Why do Romanists never engage in serious exegesis.
>>75730530
I'm sure there are already mission trips to try to help them.
We can also pray for them.
>>75730517
Well it uses exegetical and historical material to refute the claims of Rome. I really hope you do!!
>>75730530
Pray and send support in the name of Christianity.
>>75730447
>8 hours
Hell no I haven't watched it.
>>75730195
Where the fuck do you take your claims from? Catholics had no influence on Russia besides of Polish invasion which ended bad for them. And they left literally zero heritage. We had no inquisition, we had no church repressions on people. Russian Orthodoxal Church has always been a part of our country and history, not a first player. Even during commie times.
>>75730361
Bullshit. There are churches that follow God, but how they teach Christianity is a whole different story.
>Anglican
>Trigger /pol/ each and everytime
>>75730586
>Wrong. Many of the Reformers were actually the first of their generation to bother learning Hebrew. They were all articulate men.
I'm not saying they weren't. But they didn't have much unity and gave rise to a lot of division amongst Christians.
Remember the tactic of Satan? Divide divide divide.
Divide people into the smallest groups possible.
>>75730586
He just said that the Bible didn't once mention the Church.
So I was responding to that.
>>75730678
I was talking about the Byzantine Empire.
But I'm referring to the secrets of Fatima when I say that the Catholics failed Russia. We should have helped you and we failed.
>>75729616
The early church maintained centralization and authority through the passing down of the authority of the apostles. This apostolic succession is what defines Coptics, Catholics, and Orthodoxy. Coptics came from one bishop that disagreed with an early church council and went and kept his group with him and east and west kingdoms that Christianity centered around over time split over (mainly) the practical power of the different seats of the apostles. They both agreed that the seat of the apostle Peter had primacy over the others but the western kingdom thought that the seat of Peter had unique powers in its office over the other ones and the eastern kingdom thought all office were, in a practical sense, equal to one another and that the primacy of Peter's office was one of respect. "First among equals".
The seat of Peter is what the western kingdom (Rome) would call the papacy and the man in the office, the pope.
Protestantism came in reaction to the bad actions of the church at one point and attempted to restore the faith's principles to accuracy. Having no faith in the apostolic line's teachings or traditions they stuck to what they could see as solid: Scripture. And so they focused on scripture and independently researched it so to cause a reformation of the faith away from the church which they disdained. This led to Christianity in the west as you see now. Protestantism led to a massive shift in how foundational elements of Christianity were perceived in the west too.
>>75730945
Hey brother.
>>75730991
Within Protestantism the differences certainly aren't huge
Baptism:
1. Paedo/Infant
2. Credo/Believer's baptism
Salvation:
1. Synergism/Arminianism
2. Monergism/Calvinsim
Polity:
1. Episcopal (Anglican, Episcopalian, Lutheran, Methodist)
2. Presbyterian (Presbyterian)
3. Congregational (Baptist)
Worship:
1. Liturgical
2. Contemporary
>>75730945
Protestantism. Born again, spirit fill, and speaking in tongues. And no we don't pick up snakes.
>>75730667
You do understand the Roman church has been a mill for heresy. It takes a while to do show that. It's divided into parts. At the 3 hour mark it goes into scripture and tradition.
>>75730721
> Divide people into the smallest groups possible.
Hardly. I see Lutherans, Pentecostals, Baptists and Episcopalians as my brothers in Christ. As long as their orthodox in their belief. I'm fine.
>>75730938
> But I'm referring to the secrets of Fatima when I say that the Catholics failed Russia. We should have helped you and we failed.
I am suspicious of these Marian apparitions.
>>75730945
> hey both agreed that the seat of the apostle Peter had primacy over the others but the western kingdom thought that the seat of Peter had unique powers in its office over the other ones and the eastern kingdom thought all office were, in a practical sense, equal to one another and that the primacy of Peter's office was one of respect. "First among equals".
Any evidence for this?
>>75731200
This is basically correct, but there's a complicated difference between Synergism and Arminianism.
>>75731400
Yeah. I think Arminianism just robs God of his glory. Calvinism is the gospel.
>If you belong to one of the religious (((organizations))) known as "Church of the Nazarene, Pentecostal Gospel," "Holiness Church," or "Jehovah's Witnesses," your religion is one of the hundreds of new sects founded by men within the past hundred years.
>If you are a Lutheran, your religion was founded by Martin Luther a 120kg priest in 1517, an ex-monk of the Catholic Church, who uncovered the Catholic papist church falsity. In doing so he showed that the Papacy didn't go back to the time of Christ, was based on a gross misinterpretation of the Bible.
>If you belong to the Church of England, your religion was founded by King Henry VIII in the year 1534 because the Pope would not grant him a divorce with the right to re-marry
>If you are a Presbyterian, your religion was founded by John Knox in Scotland in the year 1560.
>If you are a Congregationalist, your religion was originated by Robert Brown in Holland in 1582.
>If you are Protestant Episcopalian, your religion was an offshoot of the Church of England, founded by Samuel Senbury in the American colonies in the 17th century
>If you are a Baptist, you owe the tenets of your religion to John Smyth, who launched it in Amsterdam in 1606
>If you are a Southern Baptist, your religion was formed by nine state conventions in 1845, founded in part on the premise that the Bible sanctions slavery and that it is acceptable for Christians to own slaves.
>If you are of the Dutch Reformed Church, you recognize Michelis Jones as founder because he originated your religion in New York in 1628
>If you are a Methodist, your religion was founded by John and Charles Wesley in England in 1774
>If you are a Mormon (Latter Day Saints), Joseph Smith started your religion in Palmyra, New York, in 1829
>If you worship with the Salvation Army, your sect began with William Booth in London in 1865
>If you are Christian Scientist, you look to 1879 as the year in which your religion was born and to Mary Baker Eddy as its founder.
>>75731510
Exactly
>>75731397
>Hardly. I see Lutherans, Pentecostals, Baptists and Episcopalians as my brothers in Christ. As long as their orthodox in their belief. I'm fine.
I see you as my brother in Christ.
But I still see the division.
>I am suspicious of these Marian apparitions.
The First secret of Fatima predicted World War II.
The 2nd secret of Fatima predicted that if the Catholic Church did not reach out to Russia, that the Russians would cause great trouble, as they are now.
> It takes a while to do show that.
It doesn't take long to point out a few simple heresies that a church may be following.
>>75731397
>still talking about the 8 hour video
You're going to have to find a better method of giving your argument m8.
>Any evidence for this?
Which part?
For the general thing, this was my first result just googling it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primacy_of_the_Bishop_of_Rome
>>75731510
I don't want to start a debate about this, because I'm more inclined to Arminianism. But anyway, if you have faith, that's ultimately what really counts.
>>75732041
for* not because
>>75730062
You need a little of Franco in your life pal
this is the best general on /pol/. i just recently converted but im learning so much
carry on brothers
Posting Malachi Martin for anyone who's curious.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gn--7GTffn8
I'm still so very confused on whether to go towards Catholicism or some form of Protestantism.
I just don't know
>>75729598
For all his faults he can still come out and say the right thing from time to time.
Jesus is still waiting for him.
>>75733113
What are the main issues you have, bro?
When Maldraw is too cowardly to respond to my post...
As I suspected, we're both Australian. How about you grow some metaphorical balls and contact me? You seem to have a good idea what my name is and if you know enough about eyes/hair/facial features to create a caricature, I assume you're local to my area. That or the two of us actually are telepaths... No, I find the alternative more likely.
Come on out, it's time for you to meet him.
>>75733293
I think I just don't know enough about the differences honestly. I think I need to research more. Are you able to expand on the differences for me friend? I don't entirely know where to go
>>75733672
degenerate
Did Joshua and the Israelites capture Jerusalem? (a) Yes (Joshua 10:23, 40). (b) No (Joshua 15:63).
so which is it ?
>>75733822
Sorry mate, this is too broad a question for me to fully answer - it's sort of like asking a biologist the differences between the animal kingdoms.
Nonetheless, here's a good intro to the differences between denominations:
http://www.religionfacts.com/catholicism-protestantism
http://www.religionfacts.com/denominations-beliefs
http://www.religionfacts.com/denominations-ethics
http://www.religionfacts.com/denominations-practices
The information in the links may be a bit oversimplified, but it's a good starting point nonetheless.
>>75729216
We got rid of you back when we were /n/ now fuck off before we have to purge a second time
>>75734076
I really do appreciate it. Sorry for it being such a broad question I'm just lost on where to even start. I will read away. I think I will be Catholic honestly. but more research will show me the light
>>75733672
Yeah God given you the ability to choose burn in hell also, motherfucka. Cool Christian my ass.
>>75734146
It's fine mate, we all start somewhere. Just keep learning and reading (your Bible especially!) and the truth will be made clear. Godspeed, bro.
>>75730445
I thought Jesus was God's son, not God itself
>>75729216
Loving the Christian generals. Keep up the good work.
>>75734528
"I and the father are one"
The relationship between God, the son, and the holy spirit is a bit confusing, but they are three parts of the same whole.
>>75734528
jesus, yahweh, and le holy spirit are three in one. the triumvirate
>>75734146
>>75734338
Aussie bro has the right idea. Churches have their own traditions, but your personal spiritual life should be based solely on the Bible.
The church you go to is for community, your extended family.
Thoughts on birth control? As a Catholic, I don't agree with it, but I know certain denominations of Protestantism are fine with it. You guys seem more conservative than most, so I'm interested in what you guys think.
>>75734756
Frivolous sex and lust is a sin, the Bible says nothing about contraceptives however.
>>75734756
Birth control is abortion, and abortion is murder.
(the egg gets fertilised and life begins, then the effects of the pill kick in and kill the foetus)
>>75731690
Proof the second one?
I think they are all demonic
>>75731817
Yes mate just stick to shallow arguments.
>>75732041
But you do understand the Arminianism God presents a lot of issues. Consistent Arminianism would lead to universalism.
1. If you have a lousy exegesis of verses like John 3:16 and you believe Jesus died for everyone's sin
2. Unbelief is a sin
3. Ergo everyone goes to heaven
>>75733822
>>75734146
The differences and why Roman Catholicism can be considered a religion unto its own are many. A documentary I posted above highlights these things.
The office of the Pope
- The Pope is the vicar of Christ on Earth
- Until the early 9th century there was no single overruling Pope in Rome
- The Pope speaks infallibly when speaking ex cathedra
Tradition of the church has equal authority to that of scripture. Yet the church interprets (verses such as Matt. 16:18-19) to give itself that authority.
Purgatory. An intermediate state.
Marian dogmas. Mary's immaculate conception, Mary was the co-redeemer (although it isn't doctrine many doctors of the churches - a title given by the church to theologians - held to this), Mary's bodily resurrection
Infused grace and works justification
Mandatory celibacy among priests
Among a few
>>75734905
Methodist btw
>>75734655
Trinity*
>>75734756
It's okay. Romanists aren't conservative at all. They are going outside the Bible. Contraception isn't an issue but if it includes birth control pills then yes. Condoms and pulling out are fine.
>>75734137
>>75729216
Okay so what are the standard thought on the soul?
>>75734905
I agree. But what about barrier methods (ie. condoms) where the egg is never fertilized? It's not murder, but it's certainly disordered, right?
>>75735077
To be true, no one really knows what a spirit is. Something incorporeal, eternal, usually invisible but not always, godlike, and immortal.
>>75729216
And also can we take a moment to appreciate how many brothers in christ we have in this general alone
>>75734965
Yeah, He died for everyone's sin, but you have to believe in Him in order to get said sins cleared. Just because He died for everyone, it doesn't mean that everyone gets into Heaven, they need faith as well (which clears your sins). As I said, I don't want to debate this, because ultimately faith is the most important thing; and if you have it, you're gold.
>>75735190
How do you think it relates to the consciousness?
>>75734756
Funnily enough I've realised what the pope meant by condoms causing aids.
Much more casual sex, shorter relationships.
>>75735107
Condoms are bad too. They demote your wife into a tool of pleasure, and you into a simple dildo. Use of condoms is submitting to lusts of the flesh and hedonism.
>>75730698
All brothers in Christ, nigger
>>75730945
over the years on /pol/ you have claimed to be a practicing jew, an islamist, and now christian?
or am I mixing up my tripfags here?
>>75733901
no ans to this yet?
>>75735190
Well, our consciousness is a collection of quantum information that interacts with the world around us, in very interesting ways
You could say your consciousness exists in an eternal state, like a math equation. That might constitute the spirit. There's only one you. As I said earlier, no one really knows.
>>75734137
We will purge you of your sins first
>>75735407
Meant for >>75735243
>>75735233
Is unbelief a sin?
>>75735407
Interesting thanks
>>75735326
>>75735279
You took the words out of my mouth. If we treat fertility as something we need to get rid of, then what's going to happen? I believe birth control has contributed to the general higher rates of divorce, pre-marital sex, later marriages, more STD's and more abortions.
>>75735516
Unbelief is a very hard to explain
You are baptized in the holy spirit when you declare your faith. Belief is more than mentally believing, belief is walking the walk, so to speak.
You believe in Christ by doing God's will. "Faith without works is dead."
>>75735636
Is it a sin to reject Jesus Christ's Lordship.
>>75735568
https://youtu.be/oBsI_ay8K70
A few months ago I had a dream. Nothing special happened in it, I was having a conversations with some people I knew. But out of no where my friend, in the dream, says something that helped answer something that had been dragging me down.
Ever since that night I haven't been able to shake the feeling that, I spoke to God. I haven't had anything else like that, since then. But it feels like I have some form of special connection. My best way of explaining is me believing in God is not a question. But it doesn't feel like faith. It feels like I know he's there. Like I know the sun is real, even at night.
But I also can't shake the feeling why do I feel that? I've tried everything I can think of but I can't find the answer.. I keep getting the feeling I might be something special. And the first thing that always comes to mind is the antichrist, or someone that will fight for God at some point.
Any help /pol/? I probably should speak to my pastor or something about this, were fairly close. But I feel like I'll be called crazy.
>>75735568
I would say in a dualistic sense. Two kinds of matter.
>>75735722
According to all the people who claim to have been to Hell and back because of it, yes.
>>75735722
Yes. Christ is the only way to the father.
>>75735745
You aren't crazy. God is the truth, my friend.
Pray. Continue to pray and read scripture. Ask for Christ to reveal himself to you, and walk closely to him. You will find him.
>>75735784
>>75735758
But Jesus died for everybody's sin? And if you say no please show me the verse.
>>75735975
He did, but the only way to receive the grace of salvation is to ask for it, and to do what christ asks of you.
The gift has to be accepted.
>>75736030
There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. Rom. 3:11
And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, Eph 2:1
When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions, Col. 2:13
The Bible says that after the fall of man none seek after God. We are spiritually dead. How does a dead person resurrect himself?
But then Ephesians 1:11 ( In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will,) says that we have been chosen
And then John 6:44 says No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.
So we can conclude two things;
1. Unbelievers dont seek after God 2 cor 4:4 (In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.)
In fact they hate God (Romans 8:7 For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God’s law; indeed, it cannot.) and ignore him (romans 1:18 (For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth.)
2. God draws people to him
Also you failed to give a verse to prove your point
>>75736030
To recap
YOU say
1. Jesus died for all our sins
2. Unbelief is a sin
3. Ergo unbelievers go to heaven
However Calvinism/Reformed theology teaches the biblical truth of predestination
1. God has chosen some
2. Those some he calls his elect/his people
3. God is a just and holy god
4. Since God loves his people he regenerates them so they can believe
5. But he also incarnates himself into a man and lives a life without sin dying on the cross for his people so that his blood would cover their sins (limited atonement)
6. Jesus died ONLY for his people
7. His people are those who are capable of believing on him since he has given them the ability to believe
>>75735614
I completely agree with you. Birth control is an abomination. To everyone else in this thread: stay away from it! Get your wives (or gfs, if you're living in sin) off that awful stuff!
Why are you still not Orthodox, /pol/?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZVEgtc0HEI
>>75736288
>>75736426
It's not that simple. I could write a thesis on Christ's sacrifice, but it boils down to how God had the Jews atone for their sins, through animal sacrifice.
Christ represented the ultimate sacrifice, and anyone who believes in him has the ultimate sacrifice to cleanse them of their sins.
If you do not have Christ within you through baptism in the holy spirit and faith, your sins are not paid for through Christ's sacrifice.
If I wasnt mobile posting I'd be glad to post verses. Google it, there's plenty of material on it.
what does jesus think about anime?
Can't bring myself to believe in any sort of higher power, be it Christian or any of the other number of belief systems. I do agree with a lot of the sentiments though, it's not the philosophy I disagree with, it's having faith without a hard reason beyond just wanting it to be true
>>75736663
> If I wasnt mobile posting I'd be glad to post verses. Google it, there's plenty of material on it.
lol you have just repeated yourself. are you a roman catholic?
post the verse that saws all sins but unbelief are covered
>>75736631
heretics
and no idc for your lousy arguments and memes
you are pelegian heretics
>>75736603
This. I have seen the long-term effect that birth control have on women. STAY AWAY FROM IT.
>>75736828
Watch this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bL6Vmzk56Uc
When your done Ill send you more : )
>>75736828
Christ is your reason. There are several eyewitness testimonies and the church is the most important institution in the history of mankind.
>>75736832
Hebrews 3:12
Take care, brothers, lest there be in any of you an evil, unbelieving heart, leading you to fall away from the living God.
>>75737003
I dont see how that conveys your point
You access the atonement through faith
Faith that is given to you by God
This is saying becareful
John Gills commentary
Verse 12
Take heed, brethren,.... This exhortation is grounded upon the state and case of their ancestors before given, as a warning and caution
lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief; or such an evil heart, in which unbelief prevails, and is predominant: there is in every man, whether a profane sinner, or an hypocritical professor, an evil heart, and an unbelieving one; and there is unbelief in regenerate persons, which when cherished and encouraged by them is a great evil, and should be avoided; and this sin is aggravated by the many instances of God's grace, and by the many declarations of it, and by the exceeding great and precious promises God has made, and by the great discoveries of his love to their souls in times past: and this sin, when it gets ahead, has a very great influence on the heart, to make it evil; and unbelief was the first sin of man, at least it very early appeared; it is the mother sin, and puts persons upon every sin; it defiles the conscience, hardens the heart, renders the word unprofitable, unfit for duty and makes men unstable, and therefore to be shunned; and especially because of the dreadful effect following:
https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/geb/hebrews-3.html
>>75737003
Whats your denomination?
>>75736838
They increase the risk of various cancers, infertility, birth defects, and unhealthy hormonal balances that mess up their heads. Those of you who don't know about this, look it up - birth control is awful for health. Not to mention the moral, social, societal, and spiritual cost of sexual 'liberation'. And on that point of sexual 'liberalation', let me tell you something: you're not being liberated - you're being enslaved by your sins! Have a guess at what real liberation is. I'll give you a hint - He was nailed to a cross.
('you' being the general you, not you individually)
>>75737113
My point is you must continue in your walk to receive salvation.
God will always try to save you, and keep you on the straight and narrow, but if you constantly blow it off, who knows what happens when you die?
My point it is crucial to remain faithful and away from sin. God doesn't give freebies.
>>75736822
Anime is fine, it's the hentai you need to stay away from.
>>75737234
Are you a Roman Catholic?
> God doesn't give freebies.
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, Eph. 2:8
>>75736631
I am, also Russian priests marching into battle with giant chainsaws when?
>>75737150
I'm nondenominational. Where the Bible speaks, I speak.
I would love to attend a Catholic and/or Orthodox service one day
>>75737113
>John Gill (23 November 1697 – 14 October 1771) was an English Baptist pastor, biblical scholar, and theologian who held to a firm Calvinistic soteriology.
I'm not saying you're wrong, but that's a pretty biased source.
>>75737329
That says it all.
Roman Catholicism is an abomination. EOy is just terrible. Find yourself a Presbyterian church (OPC or PCA).
>>75737234
> My point is you must continue in your walk to receive salvation.
Err wrong
We are saved and for all
> Where the Bible speaks, I speak.
Obviously not. You are desperate to avoid not giving God all the glory in salvation.
> God will always try to save you, and keep you on the straight and narrow, but if you constantly blow it off, who knows what happens when you die?
Have you noticed that you use very little scripture if at all and when you do it never supports your point
Look brother look into Calvinism and Reformed theology. Its biblical and correct. If you are considering Roman Catholicism watch parts or all of the documentary I gave to Wolfsheim. Reformed Answers on the Roman corruption of Christianity. It proves him to be nothing more than just a roleplaying LARPer
I'll answer all your questions baby girl
I LOVE COCK
>>75737363
I know. Calvinism is biblical : )
>>75737277
I can't speak for God, but the scripture is clear
2 Chronicles 15:
"The lord is with you while you are with him. If you seek him, he will be found by you. If you forsake him, he will forsake you."
I am not Christ, so I do not know where the line is drawn.
>>75737569
My belief, Calvinism, can handle that verse and interpret without shattering it
Yours cant.
That verse is directed towards believers.
Google john gills commentarys. its a complete commentary and its free.
How do you deal with the verses I posted?
>>75737451
Okay first of all, i never said works justified salvation.
1 John 3:19
"No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God’s seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God."
Salvation is not an excuse to sin. Don't be a faggot.
>>75729216
why do you cuck yourself believing in a jew religion?
>>75737705
>Implying you aren't cucked into the ultimate Jewish religion
>>75737705
> australian flag
irrelevant desu
>>75737680
How did you deduce that i think when you are saved you can keep on sinning?
you seem to like avoiding the tough questions, go back a few post and answer my questions or concede my point
>>75737778
desu atheism is jewish
>>75737654
You asked me a question. Im not trying to argue with you. Youre being argumentative with a fellow brother in Christ, for some reason.
>>75737810
You arent really making a point, so I'm just kind of responding to your reactionary statements.
What is your point exactly?
>>75733113
Read the Bible for yourself bro
>>75737852
I am being argumentative? Yes you're being rebuked.
>>75737917
That people dont save themselves. Your salvation is because God regenerate your heart. He took out the heart of stone and put in a heart of flesh. You went from hostility towards God and now you love him.
You now have faith in him because he gave you that faith. Recognize that it was all him. God might of used other Christians or means to save you but in the end he got it done.
I am saving study into Calvinism : )
>>75738019
Youre trying to disagree with someone who agrees with you. Lol
>>75729216
I want to believe in Christ, but I just can't get over the fact that I know that it's just a story. Also all the faggoty new-age pseudo-Christian BS in the 90s and 2000s that tried to make Christ "cool" and "hip" just makes me cringe when I think about Christianity.
I wish I could get in touch with the Christianity of Rome and the middle ages. Guess I should keep reading.
t. White Buddhist (Not a hippy)
>>75738019
Gods plan is irrevocable, and whoever will be saved is saved. God calls people to him, through whatever means he does things.
People do not save themselves, but it is crucial a person takes responsibility and does the work themselves. You must take the necessary actions to be saved.
This mutual action is called a relationship with Christ.
>>75738119
Historians universally agree that Christ existed, friend.
>>75738259
I'm not saying he didn't, I'm saying that the bible was written by man and is not the "infallible word of God". Also the Christian religion has been usurped and twisted countless times over the millenia and it is extremely difficult to breach its intended message of self-reliance, truth, honesty, integrity, and kindness, without running into "you need to visit so-and-so church"
>>75736828
>I do agree with a lot of the sentiments though, it's not the philosophy I disagree with, it's having faith without a hard reason beyond just wanting it to be true
First, Christianity without Christ is not Christianity. I don't know what philosophy you mostly agree with, but it isn't Christianity. Christ is central. God is central. The entire basis for the Christian philosophy is predicated on humans being inherently valuable, and loved by none other than the single highest authority. Take that away and your philosophy of good will toward men, or whatever else you find is noble, and you lose the foundation that makes it anything other than arbitrary.
Second, while most Christians may believe without a hard reason, it is not strictly a requirement. I didn't come to accepting Christ on the basis of wanting it to be true. Even today I bicker and contest in frustration over His means or ends. I came to accepting Him because it's true. The entire case for God, and subsequently, Christ, is a massive one. It's not something to get into short of answering a very explicit Q&A. You have to diligently look.
Which brings us to belief in a higher power generally. Something has to instantiate it. Laws of physics, like mathematical axioms, do not cause things to be. 2+2=4 never caused money to enter my bank account. The laws of physics are but the mechanisms by which consequences of causes play out. We need a personal causal agent to get the ball rolling. Nothing in modern science conflicts with this. Anything (relevant) supports it. So why is such a properly basic belief there must be someone to set the fuse so confounding for you? Look, and keep looking, just mind that I respectfully suggest your disbelief isn't an intellectual problem.
>>75738706
Well, the Bible is a compilation of texts written by man, but each one has been studied ad nauseum for centuries, and each text has an agreed upon message. It's difficult to grasp, but it's true.
A church does not decide what the will of God is. Look into the meaning of scripture to find out what God really means. Going to church is secondary compared to a personal relationship with christ.
I highly recommend this study Bible. It's an absolutely amazing resource, and it will truly open your eyes to the glory of Christ.
If you aren't quite willing to get into it yet, just do some Google surfing for information on scripture.
>>75738752
This probably sounds impressive to someone who already believes
Not to a sceptic though
And not to someone with a critical aspect
Why else would the bible include the story of doubting Thomas if not to scare the crap out of people with inconvenient questions? Enjoy your death cult compadre
>>75739100
The argument is Christ was a real person, and even his disciples had doubts until they saw him alive again.
Also, not an argument.
>>75729453
Yeah, that's why these christian threads are always full of anti christian comments.
You christcucks are the cancer of /pol/. You don't belong here. If there's a hell, you will burn it it for stealing (4chan's bandwidth and /pol/acks' time).
>>75729551
>>75729803
>>75729895
>>75730195
Hey, LARPing vultfag.
>>75736867
This is a critique of empiricism, not atheism, it makes no argument for the existence of God other than as the basis for a philosophy.
I'm not making the argument that the world is better or worse without belief in God, I'm simply saying that without reason to believe something I'm not going to make in a central tenet of my life.
>>75736938
That has no bearing on the truthfullness of Christ being the son of/being God, performing miracles and dying for our sins
>>75738752
I am not saying a higher power does not exist, I'm saying I don't and can't know , and therefore why should I believe it does? And furthermore, even if I lean towards thinking it does exist, why should I then believe it is specifically the Christian God when so many others exist
Honestly your post reeks of the typical multi-paragraph ramble in which you write out a load of tripe to hide the fact that you're not saying anything of substance
>>75739405
TOP KEK
>>75739331
Yeah, that's why atheists are always reactionary cunts.
You fedoras are the cancer of /pol./ You don't belong here. Youre the reason the world is falling apart. Get back to your cuckshed.
>>75739478
That has everything to do with it. Those eyewitnesses all agreed on the same things, which included miracles and Christ's resurrection. That's what makes Christ so significant.
Those same men went on to build Christ's Church, which became the most important social movement in the history of mankind.
>>75739521
>Yeah, that's why atheists are always reactionary cunts.
None of your business how /pol/acks are. You Christfags are the foreign body here.
>>75739478
Exactly.
Reliability of the NT
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL1mr9ZTZb3TW70EEo4e2onJ4lq1QYSzrY
Proof of the resurrection
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL1mr9ZTZb3TUYymBPce08oyuhnHLLkR_B
Love these threads.
God bless you all, even the shitposting Gaytheists.
>>75739610
/pol/ is and always has been a Christian board you filthy fedora
>>75739610
>/Pol/ is one person
>Implying Christians arent polacks
>Posting in a Christian general
>Posting strawman pic of Christianity
It must suck being that autistic. Going out of your way to insult people who want to improve their lives for the sake of their countries and families.
You crack me up. Youre the kind of person people make fun of for having a "super secret club."
>>75739592
Those eyewitnesses were all his followers, there' 3rd party proof he existed, he did many of the things the Bible claims he did and died on a cross, but none that he performed miracles or was resurrected, only proof he did things any man could do.
Mohammed also created one of the most important social movements in the history of mankind, do you also believe everything in the Quran because of that?
Atheist here. Had a good discussion the other day with some Christian anons. WOLFSHIEM especially. Some were shitty but that's to be expected.
The thread 404'd so I just wanted to say thanks for the discourse. It's nice to have a rational and calm discussion about things instead flinging shit. And I can say it was much better than any I've had with a leftist atheist (I'm right wing). They live in fucking echo chambers.
Carry on.
>>75739863
/pol/ never was a Christian board, especially not today. Per strawpoll most polacks are atheists and only a minority identify as part of a religion, let alone Christian.
You're deluded if you believe a meme like /pol/ is a christian board.
>>75739891
>Posting in a Christian general
This thread should be deleted.
>>75739664
Can you make the argument yourself I'm not watching 2 hours worth of videos
>>75739962
Again, those men all recalled Jesus's miracles from memory, hence all the Gospels being similar but differing in the fine details, implying all events were being remembered.
Mohammed genuinely believed what he heard, and killed anyone who disagreed.
The key difference between Christianity and Islam is Islam slaughtered anyone who disagreed. Christianity is all about choice.
>>75740064
These threads have been going for years. In fact they were the ones that stayed along with Brit/pol/ during /pol/ Harbor.
If it's not your thing, scroll past it on the catalog. That's what everyone should do, unless you want to discuss some Christian related things.
>>75740064
Spoken like a true SJW. Good goy.
>>75739331
I already told you that Pol is a Christian board. I like how you say "If there's a hell". Hell is real. There are Christians who converted, because they experience it shortly after being revived by modern science.
>>75740022
You don't have to post here, you fucking faggot.
>>75737705
>Jew religion
A jew religion who is against them.
>>75740273
>I already told you that Pol is a Christian board.
Yeah, you were lying, like the Christian jewbeliever you are.
>>75740273
>/pol/ is a christian board
Dear members of Cuck™: the Religion - you are just laughable.
>>75740273
Posting a cunt representing /pol/. Delusion and cringe.
Please provide a conclusive evidence that there is a god or gtfo.
Cucks.
>>75740122
The gospels were written using the gospel of Mark as the source so of course they tell the same story whilst having minor differences and expansions upon things that weren't covered in the original, they weren't written independently
You misunderstood the comparison I was making with Islam, I was saying just because it was a major social movement doesn't give it validity
Your churches will be tear down and replaced by mosques. What you gonna do? Pray? Turn the other cheek?
Pussies.
>>75740739
Even if Christcucks had evidence, it wouldn't prove that their sand god YAHWEH is the god.
You can't prove that something doesn't exist, so even if they could come up with a god proof, they couldn't prove that other gods besides yahweh are non-existent.
Essentially it boils down to: The bible must be true because the bible says so.
Why don't you go welcome some refugees, cucktians?
Too busy prepping the bulls?
Your religion is so weak it is pathetic.
And sad.
>>75740957
This.
And not only this. Jesus is the original SJW. Turn the other cheek makes you so weak you are not even allowed to defend yourself.
Christianity is the anti-thesis of everything that /pol/ stands for. Yet, these cucks seem to embrace it. I think that they are so indoctrinated in double think they don't even see the error of their ways.
>>75730678
What about Old Believers?
>>75740940
You were in this thread yesterday.
Are you that sad?
>>75740650
>>75740739
>>75740940
>>75740996
>>75741146
(you)
atheist autism begins
>>75729216
>Who said Mary was a virgin?
>Who did Cain marry?
Two simple questions.
>>75741266
>>75741266
Why are you even defending yourself? Turn the other cheek and accept it, filthy, weak, cucktian. What would jesus do?
You should kneel and lick my feet, pussyboi.
Serious question, I just lurk.
Is it bad to believe in judaism or to be ethnically jewish?
>>75741330
Cain fucked Eve, his mom, who else?
Imagine how hard it had to be - get raped by your son, who murdered your favourite son.
Also, Cain totally cucked Adam, I have never realized that. Seems like the roots of cuckoldry run deeper then just Joseph in cucktianity. No wonder though.
>>75741335
>resonable argument
>repeating the word cuck is a resonable argument
>>75741372
(you)
>"muh interpration of the bible is the correct one even though it contradicts everything"
you sure are dedicated and motivated
Cuck™: the Religion
Cain cucked Adam and fucked his own mom.
God cucked Joseph and fucked his wife.
Now moslems cucked all christian nations and what does these cucks do? they start a thread about it on 4chan. Shameful display.
>>75741501
Hey, wash my feet pussyboi.
You are just a laughing stock.
Tell me, if your interpretation of bible is so much better, what does
"You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye and tooth for tooth.’ But I tell you not to resist an evil person. If someone slaps you on your right cheek, turn to him the other also; if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well;"
mean except from " We are cuck™: the religion?
Pic related, those are good christians.
>>75741501
>>75741813
Can you tip any harder, faggot?
>>75741863
Posting all these fedora pics (which by the way insult the majority of polacks) won't help you to deflect from the fact that Christianity is a cuck religion that doesn't belong in /pol/.
You're a spammer. Go post your bullshit somewhere else. At 8ch for example, they actually DO have a board specifically for Christians.
>>75742165
>>75729216
JESUS SAITH UNTO HIM, I AM THE WAY, THE TRUTH, AND THE LIFE. NO MAN COMETH UNTO THE FATHER, BUT BY ME.
Afshin Javid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2-L1KIU7lao
Ian MacCormack
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CsbQeCYJ0Do
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=N1-ezZ9hkD8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WLoc1yDYzlo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HbTAmN4m2lQ
Bill Wiese
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoYCUtIRP30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=G13ArSGr4es
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7rQow8NzZo Part 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX3Ow_VEkuM Part 2
Tamara Laroux
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HGQDkCi-OIY
Mickey Robinson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xRSjzY0s0SM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=s66DchGhhD0
Howard Storm Atheist Professor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8vj0qKthCgg
Atheist Dr. Donald Whitaker
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=X54dYbfCSR4
A dying mans last message
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=TeE2xg3REtA
Ex-satanist confession
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6l7A4cQHxuY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ZOj76xrG62k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=BY6xD4dl1x8
Ugandan Pastor Shocked he would not enter Heaven
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nnM_NtZfQTM
Orthodox Priests in a cave monastery
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FcvPDNz9xHo
>>75742165
Sadly, being a Christian is being politically incorrect in the world today therefor Pol is a Christian pol.
We are not going anywhere, buddy.
>>75742373
>Sadly, being a Christian is being politically incorrect in the world today
No, it isn't. A lot of politicians say they are Christians. Christianity is the biggest religion in the world.
>We are not going anywhere, buddy.
Because you're spammers.
Containment thread for Christ cucks? I am ok with this
>>75742619
>>75742578
please bedora gtfo
>>75741838
>>75742023
>>75742265
not an argument cucks. Also, why are you not washing my feet?
Or prepping your wife for a muslim bull? If you have those, but my guess is you are pathetic virgins.
>>75742712
pic related is you
>>75740273
>I already told you that Pol is a Christian board.
>It's true because I said so!
kek
>>75742692
Make me faggot
>>75742798
>atheist
>calling anyone gay
of course you are not leaving
you are too motivated and obsessed
why? because you are a pathetic bedora
HAIL THE ONE, THE SAVIOUR, THE MESSIAH, SON OF MAN, SON OF THEOTOKOS, YESHUA, JESUS CHRIST
>>75742889
How many classy gentlemen pictures you have saved on your PC? Post all of them
>>75742943
i have enough
>>75742986
moar
>>75743095
dump them all, don't make me reply every time
>>75743129
no
/pol/ is not Christian
but I'm pretty sure that majority if /pol/ have positive attitude towards Christianity
to remove degeneracy you have to be nice to degenerates' no.1 enemy
>>75742712
pic related is you
Deplorable thread.
How did one hat completely ruin any credibility of an entire religious belief?
Jesus is a fucking cuck prove me wrong christcucks
protip = you fucking cant
Pray for me my fellow Christians.
for the temptation to give into the desires of flesh weigh heavily on my mind and I do not wish into fall into that black pit of sin that will surely separate me from the divine grace of the lord almighty's love
>>75744097
They do always wear hats don't they
>>75733901
Abrahamic religions hate the "point out the logical flaws in our argument" tactics.
You Daoist or Buddhist?
>>75729216
>Christian General
Why make a christian general? Christians are divided, why not make a Catholic/Protestant general.
>>75742747
>>75742986
pic related, its you
>>75741330
If Mary was not a virgin, then she would be married to the man with whom she had sex. If she was not married the man of this child, then she would've been stoned to death. Joseph was going to 'put her away' and do this until he was told by an angel not to do it.
Cain probably married one of his sisters or something. The genetics and all that stuff were probably totally corrupt at that point, so they could be incestuous without having birth defects. Also, incest wasn't against the Law until Israel was formed, so this would've been technically OK.
Did anyone saw the face of God?
>>75741330
Forgot to say, that she was a 'young woman', it almost necessitates that she was a virgin, taking into account Israelite culture and Laws.
>>75745190
weren't totally corrupt*
Jews are the Christians enemy.
They brag about killing Christ in their Talmud.
They hate Easter. The fact He was ressurected.
This is why Jewgle wont celebrate Easter.
Kikes seek to exploit Christians. We must rise against both the jew and the barbaric mudshit.
Ave Maria
>>75729216
>Atheists may participate as long as they are constructive.
Constructive to what? I thought this was /pol/ not "suck my dick or leave." Why do you guys keep making threads here, do really you like Hitler that much?
>>75745527
What about turning the other cheek, anon? It this really what Jesus would want you to do?
>>75745555
As long as they dont flip out and spout memes instead of participate in legit discussion.
Like saying Christianity is cucked - No. You turn the other cheek to petty insults. Not invaders.
>>75745715
As stated just before, you turn the other cheek to petty insults (racist bigot etc) not literal brown invaders looking to rape and bring us into a 600 AD style ninja woman hellhole.
Hey there brothers got late, maybe new thread?
>>75745771
What are you mumbling about, since when did Christians get special priviledges on /pol/?
>>75742165
>Posting all these fedora pics (which by the way insult the majority of polacks)
You mean the nu/pol/ that came here from reddit and browse it while listening to Amazing Atheist/Sargon of Cuckad/Thunderf00t podcast?
>>75745820
>>75745771
You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye and tooth for tooth.’ 39But I tell you not to resist an evil person. If someone slaps you on your right cheek, turn to him the other also; 40if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well;
yeah, totally... did you even read that book?
DO NOT RESIST EVIL PERSON
retarded cucks.
Be meek, pussybois.
Matthew Henry Commentary
5:38-42 The plain instruction is, Suffer any injury that can be borne, for the sake of peace, committing your concerns to the Lord's keeping. And the sum of all is, that Christians must avoid disputing and striving. If any say, Flesh and blood cannot pass by such an affront, let them remember, that flesh and blood shall not inherit the kingdom of God; and those who act upon right principles will have most peace and comfort.
>>75729216
Reminder
>>75729803
>The Byzantine Empire didn't want to do what the Pope said
My stance on this is that the pope shouldn't have been greedy fuck.
Catholics preach about not being greedy, then procede to fuck the church in half for the sake of power.
In some things you are heretics too, but not as big of heretics than protties. There's still hope for you.
>>75729453
>Pol
Pot?
>>75733672
people are actually starting to think like this in real life. It's scary.
>>75744616
The division is only in your jewish head.
We love god with our heart, with praise him, that whats matters.
Its a feature you are born with, the love and need for God.
The rest is just stupid and greedy persons invention.
>>75746899
They will only decide to let in more refugees.
>>75735077
Redpill: humans are flesh.
There is no soul. Only God can make us his children in spirit.
I think its somewhere in the middle of John1
When you die, you die. Only Christ can bring you back.
Do not resist evil person, cucks.
Matthew 5:39-40
>>75747324
>implying the orthodox church is anything like the cucktholic church
Reminder.
>>75747399
What did he mean by this?
