>“But interestingly, of all the presidential candidates, I next side with Bernie Sanders at 73 percent,” he said.
>He then went on to say that libertarians agree with socialism, as long as it’s voluntary.
>“And look, libertarians agree with socialism as long as it’s voluntary,” he said. “But, when it’s forced, that’s tyranny. So, that’s the libertarian perspective, but I think there’s so much in common, that just factually speaking … take a look, Bernie Sanders supporters, at who you next side with.”
http://freebeacon.com/politics/johnson-agree-73-percent-sanders/
>>75719924
I fucking hate myself for voting for this faggot last election. The libertarian party actually has a chance to put up some serious numbers and they have completely ruined it. I think they realize that most people that tend to be economically conservative and socially liberal are voting for Trump, and so now, they have to pander to the DUDE WEED crowd. What a fucking joke
>>75720246
>they realize that most people that tend to be economically conservative and socially liberal are voting for Trump, and so now, they have to pander to the DUDE WEED crowd
Basically, yeah.
>voting libertarian
Do you really want open borders?
Reminder that anyone who still calls themselves a capital-L Libertarian is basically a leftist now and that if you really want to promote libertarian ideals you should be joining the "alt-right" or whatever you want to call it.
>>75719924
Christ he hasn't aged well
>>75719924
The Libertarian candidate is going to spoil votes from the Democratic party. What a time to be alive.
>>75720371
Every single libertarian with some god damn sense agrees that open borders is retarded. I voted for him last time because I was upset the Republican Party screwed Ron Paul. Paul never argued for open boarders during his 2012 bid
>>75720371
>implying all libertarians are degenerates.
He was the one I was going to vote for...
I think hes accepting Merchant checks
>>75720702
https://twitter.com/_FloridaMan/status/737065914831626241
REMINDER THAT THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY IS A BIZARRE FRINGE GROUP
>>75720799
I didn't say NONE were, just there are those that aren't.
>>75719924
if you're wondering why the libertarian party's been pretty weird lately it's because it's been coopted
>>75720791
We would love to have you aboard the trump train, brother.
does this mean i have to vote for trump now?
>>75720550
Polls show Johnson doing best with under-35 voters, or, you know, those must likely to have supported Bernie Sanders.
I think Sanders' former supporters are more likely to vote for Johnson over Clinton in November than former Cruz supporters are to support Johnson instead of Trump.
>>75721097
That's the conclusion I came to. This marks the point when you realize the only candidates that aren't bought and paid for are Trump, Jill Stein, and Sanders.
>>75721318
The only Cruz supporters that would vote Johnson are Glen Beck and his 3 followers
>>75721355
stein's literally retarded though
>>75720246
Same.
Vote for a third party they said. We've got to stop the duopoly they said.
I feel dirty having voted for this massive faggot.
>>75719924
>socialism
>voluntary
Is he fucking SERIOUS? Do you guys think he actually believes this or is literally just a Hillary plant.
>>75721440
money should be illegal desu
>>75719924
Third party candidates rape and obliterate the party they most closely identify with.
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
GARY JOHNSON
STEALING THE CLINTON VOTE AND NOT WINNING THE ELECTION
TOPKEK
Trump Presidency incoming.
>>75720371
>open borders
Get rid of welfare for migrants so you dont get the scum that wants to live of other peoples stolen money. Give immigrants opportunities to make something out of themselves like make it easier to found and run a business, abolish min wage and work permits . That way you mostly get good immigration.
>>75721498
I think he wants the Bernie voters.
>>75721449
I was planning on doing it out of spite again because of how hard he ass blasted Rand, but I came to my senses just in time to vote for him in my states primary
>>75721440
>that pic
Wow, leftists really have no concept of the difference in spending the money that YOU EARNED versus spending someone else's. Jesus christ, this is really revealing of their mindset.
>>75719924
But forced gun control and forced to labor against your religious beliefs is OK.
>>75721440
I didn't imply otherwise.
>>75719924
Unity Party 2016. If we can get enough of the Bernouts to vote Gary Johnson instead of Hillary we can swing the election to Trump.
>>75721711
>>75720550
So wait, is he on our side or their side?
If Gary's making all the right choices to try and steal some democratic voters and bern victims, it may actually be in our best interests overall. Disenfranchise some of those who would have voted LP to go vote for Trump instead, attract enough democrats away from Hillary if they were never going to go Trump, and put the Never Trumpers safely away in their homes on election day.
I mean, I don't habeeb this being intentional but goddamn if it turns out that it is...
>>75721569
>Get rid of welfare for migrants
That will never happen. Also, brown minorities vote for more welfare. The more of them vote = the more welfare.
The real median income in America is $30,616.
The real median income in Mexico is $4,910.
They will come even with no welfare.
Open borders are for retarded cuckolds. Japan doesn't let minorities in, Israel doesn't, why should we?
>>75721422
It's a bit saddening what happened to the guy. His hubris led him to believe he could start a media company with no other plan than "guys, it's me", and now he is facing the consequences.
>>75721711
Or this could backfire massively. How about we just get the Bernouts to vote Trump, instead.
>>75719924
http://libertyhangout.org/2016/05/gary-johnson-shoots-himself-in-the-foot-throws-out-austin-petersens-gun/
Gary Johnson is an asshole, also he's for open borders.
>>75721939
he's being paid to cause trump to lose (see >>75721001) but he's not having that effect
>>75719924
I hope he siphons democrat votes.
There is only one third party to vote for
This election has been a pretty good set-up for a third party to win and win big but I don't think there is any talented force organised to steal the election with the time given.
Just remember, regardless of who wins this election the game has been changed and the 2020 election will be splintered as hell, unless Trump wins this election and is phenomenally popular by the end of his term which is kind of unlikely
>>75720702
>take a non-libertarian position
>claim libertarians aren't degenerate because a non-libertarian isn't degenerate
let's see what we got in the old memebox for you
>>75719924
I agree with 73% of the dancing fat man's moves.
>>75722064
Well, it could be more than one layer of deception. It LOOKS like he's in it to steal from Trump to Hillary's benefit, but that could be just a cover for doing the opposite.
Then again, with how incompetent politicians in general seem to be in 2016, its entirely possible that all of this is happening because they're just doing it wrong, not because it was masterfully planned and obfuscated. Either way, so as long as it benefits Trump I'll be happy.
>>75721440
She's a retard kike that would destroy america faster than bernie or hillary. Green parties worldwide are leftist kike cancer. It's the WORST parts of the global kike agenda.
Open borders can't exist with a welfare state.
Any self-respecting Libertarian who says we need open borders would also demand an immediate and complete termination of all types of welfare, domestic and foreign, to individuals, corporations and nations. Laqeueesha asks who gonna pay for her babby? Not the State! Military welfare queens? No more of those, a standing military is Un-American! Israeli welfare queens demanding billions of shekels because muh 6 million nevar forget? It's forgotten, you thieving jew! Comrade Chan in China demands money because he's a "Developing Country?" Eat shit, yellow jew, no handouts for you!
Taxes? We don't have no STINKIN TAXES! It's YOUR money, not the thieving Government's! Use it how YOU want to.
Open Borders WITH a Welfare State ends up like Europe where millions and millions and millions of African niggers are pouring in because GERMONEY FREE MONIE FREE WITE PUSSY MMM MMM MMM BOI GIMMIE SUMMA DAT and actual taxpaying citizens of the country are bled dry and then murdered in their homes when the FREE SHIT runs out by the hostile foreign invaders.
>>75722212
if clinton wins the nomination, he will. i will never vote for clinton i'm sure there are other berners that like GJ
>>75722591
The real median income in America is $30,616.
The real median income in Mexico is $4,910.
They will come even with no welfare.
By the way, minorities vote for more welfare. Let more of them in, you get more welfare.
Open borders are for retarded cuckolds. Japan doesn't let minorities in, Israel doesn't, why should we?
How is he wrong?
>>75722763
>A: My vision of the border with Mexico is that a truck from the United States going into Mexico and a truck coming from Mexico into the United States will pass each other at the border going 60 miles an hour. Yes, we should have open borders.
hes an open borders cuckold.
>>75722849
>My vision of the border with Mexico is that a truck from the United States going into Mexico and a truck coming from Mexico into the United States will pass each other at the border going 60 miles an hour.
what an autistic way to say "open borders"
>>75721498
It doesn't make any sense but if it steals votes from Hillary I'm okay with useful idiots.
>>75719924
Is this why Libertarian parties are, unfortunately, such a joke? Clowns like this guy
>>75723079
>If I point out fallacies I win the argument!
Isn't that also a fallacy?
>>75723343
>Is this why Libertarian parties are, unfortunately, such a joke? Clowns like this guy
>Clown
>support Drumpf
>>75722275
Really makes you think.
>>75723079
christ
that really is Communism though
>lack of a state
>no private property
lmfao
>>75723350
It's the fallacy fallacy
>>75719924
He's for amnesty, college for illegal aliens, White guilt, and yet calls himself libertarian. The one thing he does have in common with libertarians is for open borders, which besides not ever labeling myself, is why I could never identify as libertarian.
>>75723776
You've just committed the fallacy fallacy fallacy
>>75719924
>>75720246
Yup. Voted for Obama because I didn't want to vote for Palin. Then voted for Johnson because I didn't want to vote for Obama or Romney...
And you know what? IN THE BALLOT BOX WAS THE FIRST TIME I HEARD THIS FUCKERS NAME.
He doesn't fucking campaign. He doesn't put himself out there. NOW all the sudden he is but I have barely heard of this guy and that's what third party fucks don't seem to understand. They all run for the HIGHEST OFFICE ON THE FUCKING PLANET as no-named guys. Hell today I just heard on the news about some other guy who was running and they said "he refused to do an interview with us"
YOUR. ARE. RUNNING. FOR. FUCKING. PRESIDENT. YOU. NEED. TO FUCKING. TALK. TO. PEOPLE. IN. ORDER. TO. DO. THIS.
Why is Trump so popular? He takes every interview he can get pretty much. He puts himself out there as much as possible. And people like Gary Johnson just don't. Hell, everyone supporting him is doing so just because he's "NOT TRUMP" not even because he has done anything to garner any attention at all.
Also it wouldn't hurt for them to try to, you know, run for an office that wasn't the one on the top? Try getting a third party elected for Mayor or Governor first. They go for the top position without even establishing themselves anywhere else.
Does anyone else know what I'm talking about here? Please tell me I'm not alone.
>>75721440
wow... really makes you think
>>75723745
Freedom is slavery anon. When we're all poor as shit and our wealth is squandered like in Venezuela, that is when we'll achieve true liberty.
>>75719924
>Veto Johnson goes to Isidewith.com
>finds out he's a crazy jew socialist
That would be nuts to be a candidate and take a political quiz only to fi d out you're more like someone else.
Also,
>look at me! I'm Bernie lite!
What a fag.
>>75722036
Why, WHY did he do this? AP might be a knob but it's better to have him (and all the people that like him) on your side after he said he'd support the LP candidate rather than be childish and snub him.
>>75721569
migrants who want gibs me dats and hate their shitty country will come in and vote for mega liberals
stop acting like the government will be abolished - it won't
>>75723981
that's because in many states he's either:
1. not on the ballot
2. does not have electoral voters
3. and does not qualify for federally matched campaign funds
also neither rural evangelicals nor urban progressives like him, so he doesn't have much of a base of power to bank on. For comparison, the Green party does well with the latter hence why they have a handful of state assembly seats in Oregon and Washington
Why is /pol/ caring about Johnson all of a sudden?
>>75723079
human life was a mistake
>>75719924
>gary johnson runs for president
>fake conservatives who won't vote trump are turned off of johnson's socialism comments and begrudgingly vote trump
>bern victims that would have otherwise voted hillary now vote for johnson instead
>dem vote gets split
>Trump wins
>america is made great again
Run Gary Run
>>75719924
>open borders
>gun grabber
>hates America
>lolbertarian
When will you faggots ever learn?
>>75724381
Human life isn't required for liberty desu.
>>75719924
>voluntary socialism
u wot mate
>>75720973
>media always portrays libertarians as Hunter S. Thompson-like political renegades
>Libertarians finally get some coverage for their debates
>see this
>>75724486
Even if Johnson won (which will never happen), do you really think Congress would allow him to pass open border and gun grabbing policies? Of course not.
But then again, Trumpfags believe that Trump will do everything he promises by himself.
It's already legal to form a socialist charity and donate all your money to it.
If you do, you aren't subject to income, property, and most other use taxes that the average person is.
This is a non-statement at best, and a disgusting attempt to pander at worst.
>>75724316
Yeah I was wondering if it's stuff like that too. They should focus on that stuff before deciding to run for the highest office in the land, don't you think?
>3. and does not qualify for federally matched campaign funds
How does that even work?
>>75724853
>They should focus on that stuff before deciding to run for the highest office in the land, don't you think?
and this is the core problem: the libertarian party has no state-level base since nobody actually wants libertarianism
again see the Green Party with Jill Stein, who fare slightly better. They're the reason why Sanders is a candidate, at all
>>75724615
Yeah, you have the freedom to choose not to use your mandated government healthcare, and the freedom to choose not to smoke weed.
This is the saddest pandering I've ever seen. The problem with socialists is that they want other people's shit, and other people won't voluntarily give it up. They're already free to start their own little communes but they don't because have no resources of their own, they think they're entitled to someone's stuff that they've never even met.
>>75719924
>voluntary socialism
>t. ''''''''''''Libertarian''''''''''''''
Are the kikes threatening to kill his family or some shit? Holy shit, I can't believe I almost voted for this fucker last time
I'm amazed they did not choose McAfee, a self-made billionaire who could have self-funded his Presidential campaign like Donald Trump. Gary may do well enough to secure 5% of the vote, but McAfee could have potentially taken it to the presidential debates.
>>75725168
But anon, it's not stealing once we abolish property :^)
>>75724824
His most notable promises are the wall and the travel ban.
The first one is a 10 billion dollar construction project, with a wall having already passed, and a wall having 66% support among Americans. The other can be done by executive order.
That's why people are afraid; the things he suggests are completely possible.
![04f332e28c6d80b038509391b777a125[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/OQV0d9Y.png "04f332e28c6d80b038509391b777a125[1].png")
>>75719924
DUMBASS ALERT DUMBASS ALERT
>DUMBASS ALERT DUMBASS ALERT
DUMBASS ALERT DUMBASS ALERT
>DUMBASS ALERT DUMBASS ALERT
IT'S LITERALLY FUCKING NOTHING YOU CAN AGREE WITH 100% OF WHAT TRUMP SAYS AND STILL GET LIKE 60% SANDERS
Gary Johnson's primary policy position which distinguishes him from the Right Wing is DUDE WEED LMAO.
https://www.nsfwcorp.com/dispatch/gary-johnson-swindle/
>>75725168
The communes with people who ARE willing to do that shit themselves tend to end up being targeted by the Federal Government and ultimately suffer bloody, burning massacres at the hands of law enforcement agencies.
You're not allowed to leave the Rothschild-owned grid.
>>75725233
McAfee is nuts tho
COMMUNISM IN THE PUREST SENSE (SOCIALISM DOESN'T ACTUALLY EXIST)
>no private property
>not even your body
>not even your private parts
>rape is no longer rape as in it's a legal activity to share peoples' bodies
This is the only way I see leftist libertarianism. They full retard it all the way back around to provide everyone the liberty to do everything with no restrictions, with the exception of trying to claim restrictions themselves. It does away with the freedom paradox by simultaneously stripping you of all your freedoms and providing you the freedom to do whatever. It's mindfuckingly insane and only a computer program can think this shit up!
>>75724317
shills bud
hes a nobody from a literally who political party
he wont get shit for votes, anyone posting Gary threads here is just some redditor trying to (unsuccessfully) siphon votes from Trump
>>75719924
Libertarians apparently agree with whatever man children want.
What a dumb party. Never planning on voting Libertarian in my life now.
>>75725233
>>75725350
PCmatic is better imo
>>75725350
Less nutty than Gary.
>>75725363
nice b8 m8
>>75725168
It's disgusting really.
Out of the millions of socialists, they could all move in together and share expenses and incomes. They could become rich and powerful beyond their wildest dreams simply because they share things they would have otherwise needed to waste money on.
They could form powerful purchasing collectives that demand lower prices. They could cut their rent in half. They could have it all but choose to have nothing, because they can't cooperate or do anything for anyone but themselves.
Ultimately, they could be an economic force big enough to require state intervention to break up. There's a reason the US fought literal wars against Communist countries; because the idea was just viable enough to catch on and tank global economic progress entirely.
>>75725408
>Not using Avast
>>75719924
Socialist are just lite communist. This probably explains why I've never heard of this idiot
>>75719924
He has to take the route of peeling off Bernie supporters because Trump's platform is already pretty close to Ron/Rand Paul's libertarianism.
>>75719924
maduro also agrees with sanders, what is your point?
>>75725349
They leave the Amish alone. They leave the Mormons alone.
"Socialists" can't even count on each other to share the rent and utilities.
>>75725514
You're forgetting that most socialists are globalists. It's 1 dimensional thinking that leads to this problem. They want your shit, not the other way around.
People vote for ideals, or how they'd like things to be or they vote for how they want things to be for themselves. Sometimes they align.
>>75725536
Socialism is literally the Marx described transitional step between Capitalism and Communism.
The SS in USSR is Socialist Soviet.
>>75725514
>They could become rich and powerful beyond their wildest dreams simply because they share things they would have otherwise needed to waste money on.
Socialists can't into economics
>>75725735
I'm not forgetting, I know full well.
I'm am ideologue that wants it to work. I thought that I could take $25,000 inheritance, pay for a down payment and charge my friends half of the market rate for rent.
People just bought more shit, wasted their money, and took up marijuana as a hobby. 5 years later I've socked away $100,000 and they have little more than they started with.
People are shit. They can't even be socialist on the smallest level.
>>75719924
Wow. I honestly can't believe I voted for this cuck in 2012. I had no idea he was THIS fucking retarded. He needs a good helicopter ride.
>>75719924
>Libertarians agree with socialism as long as it’s voluntary
isn't that just charity? Socialism only works by forcing people to pay in the form of taxes.
THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY HAS NO FILTER, WHAT YOU SEE IS WHAT YOU GET
THE OTHER 2 PARTIES LIE, THE LIBERTARIANS JUST uhhh. do their thing
Does anyone even care who this guy is?
>>75723079
>arguing about whether American libertarianism is really libertarian
>arguing that we should attach a left and right label to libertarianism according ton whether property rights are respected
Jesus fucking Christ I've spent years here and people are still doing this shit?
It's the same thing every time too
>dumbfuck anarcho-socialist tries to school a libertarian by saying that libertarian actually used to mean X
>libertarian responds dumbfoundedly saying but what bout my inviable proberdy rights that sounds like soshialism to me and that not liebrtarian
Both libertarians and socialist libertarians are two halves of the same ineffectual autistic coin. Both are armchair intellectuals and will bore you with the most inconsequential minutae.
>>75725764
The dirty secret is that they CAN, they just DON'T.
On an individual level, a group of people working together in a capitalist system fare better than people on their own. An 80 IQ mouth breather knows that rent is cheaper if you split it a few ways, yet none of them can come together like brother and sister for even a couple years to save tens of thousands.
>>75719924
>tfw you thought you were cool for calling yourself a libertarian
>>75723343
They aren't supposed to be, they are just supposed to be as anti-authoritarian as REASONABLY possible. This means non interventionist at home and overseas as well as keeping its hands out of social issues and economics. It is NOT the same thing as arachno-capitalism, you still need laws to prevent fraud and exploitation but you should never have government propping up or subsidizing anyone. Too big to fail should never be an excuse.
>>75724263
https://www.nsfwcorp.com/dispatch/gary-johnson-swindle/
And he's basically just dude weed lmao, not appealing to progressives in any remote way besides that tenet.
Gary "throw me a 20 and mexicans aplenty" Johnson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLoVBcNDe2o
>>75725992
>The dirty secret is that they CAN, they just DON'T know how
ftfy
As much as I dislike socialists I refuse to believe that they choose socialism because of conspiracy shit.
So basically johnson wants trump to win and thus is spoiling shillary by attracting hernia votes?
Based gay johnson
>>75725961
I've literally never heard of this leftist version of libertarianism before. I can see why, we just call it communism.
>>75726043
I've never called myself a 'libertarian'. I've never called myself anything specific really, just say that I tend to lean in favor of a good amount of libertarian and classical liberal ideals.
>>75723981
Haha, I did the exact same thing. And I'm voting for Trump this time.
>>75726043
>tfw you thought you were cool for being anti-freedom
>>75724453
>>fake conservatives who won't vote trump are turned off of johnson's socialism comments and begrudgingly vote trump
Everyone knows this is an empty bluff though. It's intended to maybe trick stupid bernouts into thinking they have a backup savior.
It's an autistic talking points among libertarians to say that socialism can be practices on a voluntary basis, so long as no property rights are violated in the process. In other words society keeps its advanced capitalist economy either way, so what difference is it if some long-haired radicals form a co-op? Never mind that they won't have the money in order to do this and will need to make dealings on the free market in order to do so; real socialism works when it is part of state policy and is propped up by its financial power.
No one is tricked by this move, but fake conservatives will not be fooled by this rhetorical trick; they don't really believe Johnson has warmed to socialism.
>>75720246
Should have voted for Petersen. OH WAIT.
>>75726272
This. If you say you're a libertarian people will automatically assume you believe in open borders and the NAP.
>>75722275
>ibertarianism is what gary johnson believes
>who is rothbard, mises, hoppe
>>75719924
Oh yeah, this guy is gonna siphon off tons of votes from Donald Trump. Totally. The liberal media should try to boost his profile and give him tons of air time. That's sure to not backfire.
>>75725895
Let them.
>>75725961
That's the point, they're contradictions. In fact, a left libertarian should be considered an oxymoron. Same thing with anarcho socialist. It's an oxymoron. By definition, it can't exist. By producing a socialist state, you're producing a state, not an anarchy. It's all the same. It's also always about people being conflicted between what they want for themselves, what seems ideal as a nation, or what seems fair. Then it confuses things even more when you figure out who it umbrellas. Everyone? The majority? A select few? You?
>>75726245
Well if you've never spent time in ancap circles I can see why it would escape you. Most self-described ancaps are more seasoned than newbie libertarians and won't fall for the left-libertarians historical and semantic lies.
>>75719924
This guy is gonna run and he's gonna tank Hildog's numbers.
>>75724290
Because he can't hide his democrat instincts.
I have been shilling Gary Johnson since before Trump even announced, that being said, AND despite the fact that I agree that voluntary redistribution of wealth through a social contract doesn't violate the NAP, I think Gary Johnson sold out and he's fucking libertarianism in the ass with gun control pandering and his stance on immigration. I am all for open borders, I am an anarcho capitalist, however, electing Gary Johnson this election would sully libertarianism forever, he would open the borders and there is no way that you can have both a welfare state and open borders. Electing Johnson is suicide for libertarianism as an ideology because he would ruin the country by changing it too much. Electing Clinton or Sanders is a step towards socialism and away from a free society. The only acceptable candidate to elect is Trump, and I say this as a die-hard anarcho capitalist.
If you want people to EVER have ANY faith in any freedom leaning ideologies, for the love of god dont let gary johnson win, he will just open the borders because "libertarian posture xd", despite the US being a welfare state and make everyone lose the little trust they had for libertarians, years down the line, people would say "we tried libertarianism and it failed miserably."
>>75726138
>I refuse to believe that they choose socialism because of conspiracy shit.
They basically do. Everything is a plot by the capitalists or avery nebulous concept of "the rich".
>>75726612
>Well if you've never spent time in ancap circles
Why would anyone have spent time in ancap circles?
>>75721498
>american liberterianism
kek
>the real thing
the slogan is no gods or masters kid, voulantary participation is allowed
>>75725514
Yup and why is because they ARE selfish. They try to deny, hide it and project it on others but they are just looking out for themselves. They hate capitalism because it's a selfish system but they really hate it because someone has more than they have and their selfish too.
What you're talking about, say you try to get everyone to demand lower rent? Maybe this could work in this apartment complex. However, you end up getting people who support the idea and then you get people who don't want to rustle the feathers of the landlord, again looking out for themselves, even though they would like lower rent. Which is why the left always cannibalizes each other because turns out it's just people looking out for themselves telling other people to NOT look out for themselves, hoping to trick them into supporting them instead. But you have a bunch of people trying to run the same con on each other, hence the cannibalistic behavior.
>We're in NEED so we NEED the handout!
Give them the Hand Out and then they all start fighting over it, because there are never enough hand outs and they move the goal posts to what needs to be handed out. Who is in "NEED" the most, except now it's who's the most unprivileged or oppressed or whatever.
Funny because capitalism actually solves the problem by telling everyone to focus on their individual needs first, since everyone's needs are different and then worry about others. But that's not the easy way out, that's not the quick answer so the masses reject it in favor of GIBMESDAT.
>>75725960
They all the sudden do now because he's NOT TRUMP.
lolbertarians on suicide watch
libertarianism is for faggots
>>75726612
>If you don't agree with me you just haven't read enough ancap propaganda
Seriously, being libertarian is not fucking possible without private property. This is like when Johnson said Libertarians aren't opposed to socialism as long as its voluntary, only socialism is never voluntary by definition.
>>75726588
At least read their writings so you don't misconstrue their ideology. Either that or ignore and don't touch it like 99% of the politically aware.
It's not a "socialist state" they want, they are quite conscious of where that leads, hence why they characterize that as "state socialism" and scorn Stalin.
This can go either way; the leftist anarchist could also call anarcho-capitalism an oxymoron and they would be just as wrong. Depending on your ideological orientation you will see either socialism or capitalism being propped up and enabled only by means of state power, whereas your system is the natural result of voluntary and harmonious human affairs.
>>75726798
Um, how do you voluntarily participate if the State owns literally everything because there is no private property? How exactly does one opt out of that system?
>>75726798
back to 12-4chan plz
>>75726789
that's where my ideological development led me; good to see you haven't gone trhough that detour
>>75726911
Read more autist
>>75725925
he's a shill trying to siphon Bernouts that might vote for Trump
>>75726138
They choose socialism because they want to work less, not because they want more.
Again, the dumbest people in the world understand that if you share a cost, the amount you have to pay decreases. This is an unavoidable, bloody obvious fact.
Problem is that they can't share. They choose not to.
>>75719924
Free bacon? Where do I sign up?
>>75727006
>Read more autist
Good argument. If you could just answer
>>75726969 for me, it would help your argument a lot. You're not defending your points, EXACTLY like the guy in the screenshot.
>>75726759
Don't worry. No libertarian is going to win any time soon. And hopefully by the time a libertarian can in fact win the presidency, we'd have a better nominee than Johnson.
>>75719924
>>75727115
I don't have the TIME to catch you up on this longstanding argument. Go to anarchist discussion boards and try to shill for anarcho-capitalism.
Try out leftypol. I'm not going to spend my time explaining to you ideologies I don't even agree with.
>>75726812
Socialism doesn't have to be among everyone. You can have a collective bargaining unit of willing participants. It doesn't matter if some people don't want to collectively bargain, they don't have to be a part of it.
It doesn't have to be an apartment, it can instead be someone who buys a tract of land and builds a bunch of houses on it.
The more capitalists meaningfully producing things the better. You want your socialist core to be small and efficient, soaking up as much of the benefit that comes from capitalism without buying into the system by buying your own shit.
Ultimately, there is no case study that shows this in action. The closest thing that I can think of is RandyLand in New Jersey, and that's just an arcade that exists by the sheer effort of one person trying to keep the dream alive by himself.
>>75723981
3rd party candidates are a bad idea. they can't win, they can only split the vote of the parties they closest align with. ross perot was popular but all he did was split the vote so that clinton won.
>>75719924
THE ENTIRE COUNTRY IS IN A STATE OF SKEPTICISM AND BORDERLINE HATRED OF THE ESTABLISHMENT
THIS IS THE FUCKING ONE PARTY THAT COULD HAVE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF THAT NEW CONSCIOUSNESS AND ACTUALLY BROKEN THROUGH AS A REAL NEW ALTERNATIVE PARTY IN THE US
HOLY FUCK WHAT WENT WRONG WHAT WENT WRONG WHAT WENT WRONG
Fucking Donald Trump is doing their thing better than they are.
>>75720702
This nigga went full fascist already though
makes sense to me
I identify as libertarian and whenever somebody says they are a communist I suggest they go join a commune
And some tripfag that used to spampost all over /pol/ actually did! lol
>>75727476
they got astroturfed by globalists and even drove Ron Paul out of his own party. libertarianism is just a GOPe puppet party.
>>75727201
>Go to anarchist discussion boards and try to shill for anarcho-capitalism.
>Depending on your ideological orientation you will see either socialism or capitalism being propped up and enabled only by means of state power
I think the reason most of us think this is retarded is because we only want the state to protect our negative rights to life and property. Ideological orientation doesn't make a difference in Somolia, because any functional system is going to require some state power.
So consider that those of us who aren't retarded socialists or anarchists start with that assumption, and that's why we consider some parts of these ideologies mutually exclusive.
Saying "read more" isn't helpful when we aren't arguing over the esoteric and retarded distinctions between "anarcho capitalism" and "libertarian socialism." We're just trying to make sense of how people can fool their brain into believing things that are totally contradictory.
>>75727335
This. The most simplistic and least penetrating argument again Johnson is actually the strongest.
If anyone things Gary Johnson will win ANY of the minority vote they are fooling themselves. If they think Johnson is AT ALL more appealing than Clinton to the Left, just the same are fooling themselves. Dude weed lmao is not enough.
The only people Johnson could slice a little bit of the vote from are the disaffected parts of the Right who are spooked that they just elected the toupee-wearing Mussolini. This will just pull away from Trump in all the right places and secure Clinton electoral votes in hotly contested states.
And a competitive Gary Johnson campaign is ONLY possible if achieves miraculous break-out polling of at least 15%, in order to insert himself in the debates and get federal funding.
If Gary Johnson is not in the debates, he's as good as not running and will only get margin-of-error votes. Don't believe him when he tries to extrapolate interesting looking polls to claim he has millions of supporters; it's all MoE.
If he IS in the debaters, it's Ross Perot 2.0 and Hillary is guaranteed the election. Johnson only pulls from the Right, don't believe libertarians lies.
>>75723981
>Voting for a guy who you never heard of until you saw his name on the ballot
You are a complete fucking retard who should not be voting at all.
>>75721569
Good goyim, slave for $2 a day just like hard working chinaman
Free market is more important than your heritage, tradition, and future
All that matters is money
Well,monks live in a kind of socialist comunity and no one really gives a shit about it. I think that he means something like this,not national economic policy.
>lolbertarians
>>75720246
There is still hope libertarians, Trump will save you.
>>75720246
somehow the libertarian party was co-opted by left wing nutjobs. This is subtle, and nobody but us noticed, but it's pretty fucking scary. It means whoever is controlling politics in America wants to cover every single base. I would be pretty worried if I was a US citizen, Alex Jones and his ilk have been spouting off nonsense for years, but it's all slowly coming true.
>>75720702
>Not putting the king of baseness himself as an example
>>75728056
You mean a commune? We already have those. They are perfectly legal, as long as they adhere to the laws of the jurisdiction in which they are in, but they can make up their own rules if they don't interfere with said laws of course.
Ironically, most communes are private property.
>>75726969
>the "state"
you americans are so cute with your abilities to relate everything to your way of doing this
its simple, you make communities and apply the principles there
the diffrence here is the range the principles are applied to. its harder to move out of a country, then to move out of a community , or a contract within a community
>>75727793
I'm making the point that is all just about esoteric distinctions about shit. If you want to make sense of it you have to read a lot of things that don't matter.
Gary Johnson's statement is doubtlessly formed out of esoteric libertarian discussion and the divide between American libertarianism and left-anarchism. Which is another important mark against him. He will evaluate policy from an extremely ideological and fringe lense if president.
>We're just trying to make sense of how people can fool their brain into believing things that are totally contradictory.
The process by which that happens is anarcho-capitalism and libertarian socialism. They aren't just words to describe economic systems; they are entire ideologies. Ideology is a powerful thing and can lead people to believe the most counter-intuitive things.
>Ideological orientation doesn't make a difference in Somolia
The parlor socialist and the parlor capitalist form their ideal society as an abstraction of the nation in which they live.
>>75728517
>The parlor socialist and the parlor capitalist form their ideal society as an abstraction of the nation in which they live.
God, no wonder you fell for this crap.
>>75720702
Doesn't he have brown kids
>>75728604
nani desu ne?
>>75728648
>>75720371
>Do you really want open borders?
I literally don't understand how anybody can still be libertarian in 2016.
>in b4 current year
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DY2VZWMmj4Q
>>75728696
I was asking what you meant.
What I was saying in the last mind is not reflective of myself but rather of the parlor socialist or capitalist, in other words middle class whites who have a lot of time to surf the internet and get entrenched in ideology but aren't a part of the real world.
They view their ideal society as a modified abstraction of their own. They may perhaps argue that with consistent application of their principles a place like Somalia will be better off but they certainly don't have it in mind, but rather the country where they live.
What is mentally ill of anything I've said?
>>75720246
Libertarians are a joke
>>75720973
you cannot tell me this was done by the neocon cucks. It was either them or he was paid for by george soros knowing it would get media attention. They're deliberately trying to ruin the LP.
>>75728236
I know. I think that it was Johnson's idea,that je is fine with communes as long as everyone agrees to be in them. I seriously doubt that he really means national economic policy.
>>75729059
last line*
>>75721001
I'm down to party three times
>>75721624
> money that YOU EARNED versus spending someone else's.
They spend money that was given to them for the purpose of being spent that way. It's all voluntary, and it's all perfectly fine. Trump inherited a great deal of money, and would never have gotten rich with out his father, but that never made you think less of him now did it?
Even if you get rid of the welfare state having open borders would still be a problem because race mixing will inevitably occur due to proximity. Race mixing is a problem because it has entropy on its side. You must actively discourage and hinder it or the average iq of your nation will go down.
>>75721569
why the fuck do libertarians keep saying this like there is any evidence for it what-so-fucking-ever? the united states had practically no welfare before the year 1900, but LOW AND BEHOLD non-whites came to slave to shit-tier wages. They brought plenty of problems with them as-well. It's not hard to be a cashier or what ever and live on basic ends meat. Give the masses of Blacks and Arabs that opportunity and millions will take it. Their children will cause just as much crime as the average Black and Arabian (look up regression to the mean).
also
>dehomogenizing your homeland
sad
>>75719924
>He then went on to say that libertarians agree with socialism, as long as it’s voluntary.
Weak pandering tbqh. Yes, in a free market you have the full freedom to participate in a voluntary commune, work in a coop or join a social security fund that favors the poor.
But social democrats/socialists/communists don't want that, or they'd already be libertarians and anarchists. What they want is a license to spend other people's money and control their lives.
>>75726681
that's pretty fuckin' rare bruh.
>>75719924
Fuck that? I'm voting Trump.
>>75719924
wew this is probably the only time i have ever seen the lolbertarians having relevance in an election and they fuckin ruin it
>>75730138
Lurk more, mate. Me and a socialist asshole are always posting, and many people like to proxy through here.
>>75730489
I can only hope the strategy is to try for the 5% + the back of hillary. A leftist cuck otherwise doesn't make sense.
>>75726930
>anarcho-capitalism an oxymoron
No, it'd simply be a redundancy. You may drop the anarcho part. You're essentially arguing that some people are confused at what things mean therefore they could be right. That's not the case. Ignorance doesn't ever make you right. Let's not devolve into semantics about well known definitions. Just because some retard thinks capitalism, essentially the natural order of things without government intervention, is in all cases crony capitalism, doesn't mean they're right when they call anarchocapitalism and oxymoron. It just means they're stupid.
Also, the same goes for anarchosocialism. Who controls the means of production? Define state? You can delude yourself all day long, but in the end, any organization enacting social law is by definition a state and also the opposite of stateless. I just spelled it out.
>>75730666
give back the canal dirty spic
WTF I hate libertarians now
>>75719924
Libertarians could have chosen Peterson or McAffee to be their nominee, but no... they had to run this fuck again.
Welp, say goodbye to another several decades of two party rule with no chance of libertarians ever being taken seriously!
>>75730815
No.
>not knowing what libertarian means
>not knowing what anarchism means
>not knowing what socialism means
>2016
>mfw
>libertarians agree with socialism as long as it’s voluntary
There is literally nothing wrong with this statement. Well, it would have been better to say "okay with" rather than "agree." A dozen people want to *voluntarily* pull their capital together and share them under the principle of the means of production democratically being own and used for the equal benefit of them all. Boom socialism, albeit in a very small scale. That is all Gary Johnson is saying.
>>75719924
hes setting up for bernies independent run if the democrats betray him.
I'm a registered libertarian
this was my first chance to vote as I turned 18 last year
and now I see this bullshit
> is against free speech (opposes discrimination)
>wants too many gun restrictions
>basically a sjw cuck
>is more like hernie than any libertarian candidate
I fucking hate the LP
aside from McAfee, he's based.
I doubt there will ever be a Nationalist Minarchist like myself so fuck
>>75719924
He's clearly trying to siphon votes from trump, fucking lawlburtetains gonna cost God emperor the championship.
>>75721440
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