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>>75604745
Answering any questions /pol/ has on our God and Savior Jesus Christ.
If he's so smart then why is he dead?
>>75617516
Here you go:
https://archive.org/details/cu31924029358789
>>75617637
He isn't he was resurrected.
I'll be on board too so we can make the thread not shit this time.
>>75617516
Edward Feser is a great teacher for the basic discourse of the topic and its contemporary criticisms.
John Haldane and David Oderberg for more in depth discourse.
>>75617692
And then he died again, lol. Didn't come back this time though did he?
>>75617426
why are you stupid enough to believe Jewish lies and fairy tales?
>>75617637
He's not. He sacrificed his body, but we believe when you live for Christ, your body dies so that your spirit may truly be alive. Therefore it doesn't matter whether your body is animated. You could be walking and dead, or buried 6 feet under and alive.
>>75617758
Tell me, where did the term 'kike' come from?
>>75617747
Why Catholicism over Orthodoxy?
What denomination?
>>75617758
Catholicism is actually paganism and a Jewish lie. But believing Christ is actually a full 180 from what the Jews believe. Just read the New Testament.
>>75617925
That both equally heretical. I understand people on /pol/ like to the clothes, and I am a fan of liturgical worship but their theology is bankrupt.
>>75617758
People who respond to these kind of folk are dropping the quality of this thread
Respond to sincere atheist
>>75617925
Why choose any? Just go non-denomination.
>>75618117
Because non denominational protestants reject apostolic succession and the validity of tradition
>>75618117
They're the worst. By pretending that denominations are pointless because they are overly zealous Christians they repeat of the errors of the church.
It's full of ecumenists.
>>75618171
Apostolic succession has no bearing. I like it. I am an Anglican from Sydney.
My diocese has it but it's irrelevant when your church teaches faulty doctrine and preaches a false gospel.
Honestly AS is a tertiary matter.
>>75617925
To give something simple and not have to give a comment about historical opinion, the belief of Peter's power being equal to the other patriarchs ignores that the authorities given to him in the Bible are something substantially more than what the others had received. There's just no defense for the idea of "first among equals" there.
>>75618117
>this anon
>>75617975
I'll be speaking from the position as a Catholic.
>>75618185
I still haven't found my denomination yet, I came out of a Methodist tradition which is from my mother's side while my father side is pure Anglican.
>>75617975
I go to a Baptist Church but I wouldn't label myself 'baptist'. I simply believe Jesus was resurrected and is alive in heaven. Nobody should label themselves with a denomination. People who do that are the types who care more about the social aspect of church than actually worshipping our God. I'm totally against that. You shouldnt go to church to socialize. It should be time you invest to maintain your relationship with God.
>>75618333
I am a Calvinist and I got a Anglican church. The ones here in Sydney are thoroughly reformed. I would recommend a Presbyterian church or an Evangelical Anglican church.
>>75617872
illiterate heebs signing shit with a circle instead of an x
and how exactly does that negate the Jewish origins of Christcuckoldry?
>>75618314
Now, the following is hearsay, but hearsay from a nun acolyte, but technically the Pope is actually a first among equals except with 'veto' authority or when he sits ex cathedra.
>>75618458
Christianity is a successor to Judaism. No one denies that. But went across from being specifically Jewish to being multicultural.
>>75618030
>Jewish messiah
>sent by Jewish god
>according to Jewish prophets
>totally not Jewish
this is how retarded you sound
>>75617675
>>75617747
>there was a new thread
Well, I'm stupid
Thanks a lot!
Why was St. John Chrysostom so based? pic related
>>75618413
The ones there are much better than in Victoria, everyone over here is getting too liberal with their theology.
>>75618075
>implying anything with Jewish origins is "quality"
antisemitic atheism is best atheism
>>75618560
And the massive and beautiful cathedrals like St. Paul's in Melbourne are usually run by the liberals. They hide in tradition because they aren't at ease with scripture.
Again a Presbyterian church would be good for you.
>>75618458
Yes, ex-Jews were the first Christians.
But what's your point sir? Christianity is about freedom through faith and Judaism is about submitting to laws.
>>75618714
Christianity is about God coming down to redeem his elect. God becomes man and obeys the law without any infractions. He was only born through God not man ergo never inherited sin from Adam and thus the guilt that comes along with it. He then died on the cross and through his death atoned for his elect.
>>75618458
>illiterate heebs signing shit with a circle instead of an x
They made it a circle instead of an x because they didn't want to have anything that could associate themselves with Christianity AT ALL. Even to the point of making the shape of a cross in a totally unrelated thing.
If you have an issue with Christianity for being Jewish you need realize that you speak of Jewishness in terms of location, not that it's supported in any respect by the Jewish media or any Jew-centric conspiracy theories.
>>75618549
You're good, man.
Cheers.
>>75618516
That's basically "He's equal in every regard except for when he's not" kind of logic.
>>75618714
it's about trusting one of the most notoriously untrustworthy and xenophobic cultures to ever plague this planet.
So, are Adam and Eve in Hell right now? Have they been this whole time?
>>75618551
It's the whole "St." part.
>>75618956
We cannot confirm who is in Hell at all.
>>75618956
No they were part of the covenant with God and were redeemed by Jesus. They're both in heaven.
ANSWERING ALL CHRISTIANITY RELATED QUESTIONS BRING THEM FORTH
>>75617758
Jews were also atheists so
Pope dumps Christian refugees to take Muslims
>A Christian brother and sister from Syria felt blessed to have been among the dozen refugees selected to start a new life in Italy — but now say their savior, Pope Francis, abandoned them on a Greek island, according to a report.
>Their dreams were shattered when they were informed the following day that they would not be traveling to Rome. Instead, three Muslim families were taken.
http://nypost.com/2016/04/22/pope-francis-reneges-on-offer-to-take-in-christian-refugees/
>Pope Francis has hailed the election of London’s first Muslim mayor in a wide-ranging interview with a French newspaper.
>"When I hear talk of the Christian roots of Europe, I sometimes dread the tone, which can seem triumphalist or even vengeful. It then takes on colonialist overtones," Pope Francis said.
http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2016/05/17/pope-francis-hails-election-of-sadiq-khan-as-mayor-of-london/
Catholics, leave your Church, come to the Orthodox Church
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L80lb1T0e
>>75617975
reformed theology is based and most consistent to scripture
>>75617426
Was Jesus a Jew?
>>75619095
Amen.
>>75619084
The Pope is an anti-Christ.
>>75619142
Yes in the sense he was incarnated in the form of an ethnic Jew.
what do you guys think about nudism?
>>75618413
calvinism is most consistent with scripture
>>75619084
>media tries to bullshit to make stories on the pope
>has done this for several popes all of the fucking time
>people still surprised
>>75618547
To answer your statements:
>ex-Jewish Messiah*
>God was not Jewish, but his worshippers were.
>The prophets were teaching what God told them. It doesn't matter if they were Jewish, they received direct teachings from God.
It doesn't matter if someone's an ethnic Jew. Any human can be saved.
>>75619172
it really makes me think
>>75618851
amen
>>75618678
If a person was responsible for your very existence, I wouldn't call them an asshole no matter *what* they did. It was only by them that I ever even got to experience anything in the first place, which is a personal good that can't be undermined by anything.
Being suspicious of authority is a good thing. You shouldn't take anyone's words for granted. I just put my conviction in God as being the Truth in this world.
>>75619084
Fixed video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L80lb1T0ecs
I used to be Xtian, then I found out that Luther removed 7 books from the Bible. Then I found out that Constantine removed dozens. Your true history was burned in the book pile. Xtianity is a shadow of what could have been.
Christ spits on you.
>>75619172
I hear it's got nice ventilation
>>75619172
That's a cultural thing. In African societies sexualizing breasts is a very weird. However flat out nudity makes it hard to restrain from lusting after one another.
>>75619179
Presbyterian?
>>75619194
Don't argue with the racist.
>>75619095
>you don't need works
>consistent with James
>>75619289
>Then I found out that Constantine removed dozens.
Constantine did literally nothing to the Bible.
You heard propaganda.
>>75618284
>Apostolic succession has no bearing.
Its literally what allows us to understand the bible and differentiate between heresy and valid doctrine. Without it JWs and Mormons are as legitimate as your church
>To give something simple and not have to give a comment about historical opinion, the belief of Peter's power being equal to the other patriarchs ignores that the authorities given to him in the Bible are something substantially more than what the others had received. There's just no defense for the idea of "first among equals" there.
So its entirely based on that one verse of the bible? What evidence would you require before you would convert to Orthodoxy?
>>75619307
Reformed Baptist, we agree on most stuff though
>>75619359
>>75619340
works are a sign of your faith. consistent with James
https://carm.org/are-we-justified-faith-romans-or-works-james
>>75619457
Demons have faith according to James, do they have works?
>>75619084
Christians put authority in Christ only.
>>75619340
Works necessarily come with faith, unless someone dies or is otherwise rendered unable to act in the world immediately after coming to faith.
This is a non-dispute. No one actually disagrees - they just think they do.
>>75619359
Yeah he totally had nothing to do and no influence over the Council of Nicaea.
Typical delusional xtian.
>>75619500
they have a logical faith, not a loyal or trusting faith given from repentance
>>75619255
I think the issue with a lot of disgruntled atheist here is their exposure to Arminianism - which is unbiblical. Calvinism teaches a biblical anthropology.
God will call some and regenerate them.
Romans 3:11 "There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God."
Jeremiah 17:9 "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?"
Man is dead in sin and ergo does not seek after God. People like the person you responded to see God as a hateful being. Christians after being regenerated by God take pleasure in his covenant and promise. They yearn for unification with God. So the original poster has framed the question in a wrong way.
>>75619289
Moron who has never studied the canon of the Bible.
>>75619566
Yeah, they have faith alone.
>>75618662
I didn't realize my reply didn't post.
Yes, someone can - the Holy Spirit comes upon salvation. It doesn't necessarily precede it.
>>75618932
You know that culture killed many of the first Christians so what does Christianity have to do with trusting that culture?
>>75619658
faith means trust or loyalty, when God grants you repentance (a changed mind), you are given this faith, so works come from this faith. james is talking about people who claim they have faith, but there works show the contrary
>>75619814
No, since the word translated as "faith" can just mean "belief", I'm pretty sure he's saying they have sincere faith.
>>75619562
Constantine was an Arian, yet the Catholic church rejected Arianism. Funny, huh?
>>75619562
Yes, he was literally the organizer for the event and watched the whole proceeding. That's it.
That he changed the canon in it is Protestant/Enlightenment propaganda. This is doubly stupid as the COUNCILS OF NICAEA DID NOT DECIDE THE CANON.
They were intending to but they couldn't prepare resources in time. The canon was decided in the Council of Hippo Regius.
>>75619340
Why should anyone respond to morons like you who have never bothered reading any responses to you
>>75619374
> Its literally what allows us to understand the bible and differentiate between heresy and valid doctrine. Without it JWs and Mormons are as legitimate as your church
No it doesn't it's our adherence to scripture that does that.
The first thing the JW and Mormons did is manipulate scripture.
The JW retranslated it and created their own authority (Watchtower society) and the Mormons added a new canon to it.
A similar thing with the Romanists who manipulated scripture to fit themselves into the picture.
>>75619383
Would you attend an infant baptism of a friend at a Presbyterian church?
>>75619566
Don't reply to people like that.
We need to hold them to a higher standard.
If he is still stuck at the bottom rung of the debate between works and faith alone he needs to catch up. If he had posted a critique of a Protestant exegesis of James 2 I would respond otherwise he has to pick up his game.
>>75619562
Similar case here. He hasn't posted any argument for his belief just assertions and ad hom attacks. No evidence either.
I was baptised and confirmed as a Catholic, but led astray by atheist degeneracy.
I want to reconcile my faith and I need help in doing so. I hear KJV is recommended but of the protestant denomination. Which bible version should I read?
>>75619680
You are very and deeply wrong. God calls a sinner to salvation, then regenerates them, then they are capable of practicing saving faith which justifies them.
You are horribly horribly wrong with your response.
People who are dead in their sins the Bible teaches they hate God.
>>75619904
Evidence?
>>75617426
just started attending liturgy at an Antiochian Orthodox church tbqh, really loving it
Why do we keep having these cuck threads
>>75618075
Oh yeah sure everybody must agree with your non-bankupt theology because of what you've read between the lines of a Gospel translated to English.
The Catholic Church exists by virtue of Jesus' will, it is founded by him, it will never end. Extra ecclesia nulla salus.
Enjoy hell you faggot heretical pom.
>>75619903
faith in the greek
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Itsk944bufI
>>75620050
If you want to work on your relationship with God I would recommend reading sermons. https://archive.org/details/cu31924029358789
These are by preachers who were forced to preach in secret because they would not conform to the laws set by the monarchy. This was in 1662.
>>75620095
Based.
>>75620050
I favour the KJV because it has preserved the second person plurals both the singular (thee, thou, thy) and plural (you, your, yours).
Or the ESV. But I advise against becoming a Roman Catholic it's a false religion. If you would be interested I could share resources with you.
>>75620084
Constantine chose an Arian bishop for his baptism/last rites
>>75620050
Douay Rheims is the most /pol/-approved Catholic bible.
Personally I support the Ignatius Study Bible.
>>75620182
> assertions
Not an argument
>>75618413
You protestant heretifags make a religion for yourselves, as if Christ was DIY. You pick the "church" that befits you most just like shoes right?
The only Church is the Catholic Church. Sorry.
>>75620257
Look moron I asked for evidence not more unchecked assertions.
>>75620210
I can speak Greek, I think I know. The word in Greek (and in Latin) means belief or loyalty or trust. Saint James is clearly using it in the sense of belief, and anyone reading his epistle in either Greek or Latin can easily tell this. Luther certainly could, that is why he tried to have James removed from the Bible.
>>75619952
probably, although i think personally that baptism is for believers and should be done via imersion Romans 6:1-10 and baptizo means to dip, but i dont think someone is going to hell for sprinkling
>>75620084
All men are "dead in their sins" before they are saved. Are you implying *they're not*?
Because *THAT* would be the horribly wrong claim.
>>75620182
And it is God's will to send worshippers of false gods to hell, sir.
>>75620326
Not an argument.
The Roman church was corrupted and cut off. Everyone in the Roman church, with the exception of a few, are condemned to hell by their unsaving gospel. Look I don't need some lapse cafeteria Catholic to criticize my beliefs when you don't understand the first thing about the Bible.
>>75620050
Read several, because you can get a better idea, go to the greek to get the best understanding
>>75619952
>No it doesn't it's our adherence to scripture that does that.
That might be a point when it comes to the Mormons but the JWs, Lutherans, Baptists, Evangelicals and other sects have claims equally valid. Just because they call their authority a society, council, convention or what have you and not an the specific term of the anglicans doenst change much
>>75620326
Actually the church a Christian attends is irrelevant. All that matters is that he believes in God. You should choose a church because it is conducive to that end. Not for the socializing aspects.
>>75620232
You heretifags believe that before KJV there was no religion. You are no different from the muzzies you equally worship a book MADE BY MEN.
>>75620416
You worship a book. You didn't go to confession? Sorry you're bound for hell.
Enjoy hereticism!
>>75620377
Yes I am implying no one seeks after God unless God has elected them and regenerated them. All men hate God and choose false religions over him (Islam, atheism, Romanism, Mormonism, etc).
>>75620331
>He chose the Arianizing bishop Eusebius of Nicomedia, bishop of the city where he lay dying, as his baptizer.[256]
That's what it says on wikipedia
>>75620348
and that was a dumb move for him, because if read in its context, it makes perfect sense to the doctrine of grace, eph 2:8-10 Romans 4, Romans 5:1
>>75620050
Orthodox here, KJV is a very good translation, both beautiful and sound. It has some flaws, such as translating both Sheol/Hades and Gehenna as "hell", but overall it is on the level. Much better than most contemporary translations. Anyone who hates for being Protestant it is as autistic as those who say "King James only" or claim it's inspired by God any more authoritative than the original.
>>75620416
The Roman church was cutoff, says the expert. You're such a fag. Give me ONE reason why you should be trusted vs 2000 years of tradition.
One.
>>75620563
Actually we view all technology, including scripture, as fundamentally satanic but God can give us the strength to use those technologies for his sake and save ourselves. The edition is pretty irrelevant.
>>75620650
You're literally just asserting that. You're supporting your belief in determinism by utilizing determinism as an underlying assumption in your reasoning. That's illogical.
>>75620650
the book of Romans 1-10 is prettymuch the whole Gospel message
>>75620563
Retard where in the history of Protestantism have people held that? Are you going keep pushing more of your autism in this thread? Refrain from being retarded for a moment double check what you right.
>>75620636
I confess to God. Also I am ignoring you until you learn how to put together a coherent sentence and put forth some evidence.
>>75619907
I forgot to link you in my post, that second part was meant for you>>75619374
>>75620636
We don't worship a book. We worship God who gives us the strength to use scripture to know Him. But you, my friend, do you put authority in men?
>>75620673
When Paul says "works", he's talking about things like circumcision and eating kosher. See Galatians 3
>>75620733
Well this makes it easier to see how all the atheists from Protestant backgrounds see some sort of conflict between religion and science
>>75620711
Galations 1:6-10
Ephesians 2:8-10
catholic church does not teach this
>>75620229
Thanks
>>75620232
Explain
>>75620264
I will check it out
>>75620445
>>75620709
Yeah, that sounds like a good idea. KJV seems like a really good literary source.
>>75620257
The Roman traitor
>>75620832
you are justified by Faith (Romans 5:1), what does justified mean
>>75620849
It's my pleasure. Happy reading.
>>75617758
The whole of Christianity is shitting on Judaism for getting it so wrong and being in with the devil.
>>75620711
My friend, you should trust no one but God. God said to love your neighbor but that we should not trust him.
>>75620711
Because my beliefs are in accordance with the word of God.
>>75620743
I am not arguing determinism. I am arguing predestination and the nature of man.
1. Adam fell
2. Noetic effects of sin were inherited by every man
3. Man does not seek after God
4. Man hates God
5. God saves his elect by regenerating them so they can practice saving faith
6. Man believes and is reunited to God by the saving faith bestowed to him by God
To answer the guy you were answering no an unsaved person can't ask God to be saved since he is dead in his sins. He utterly despises God. But since we don't know who the elect are in their entirety we plead people to repent and believe, and those who well that's because their ability to do so is God's work of regeneration in them.
>>75620918
In this context, "acquitted"
>>75617426
Can pedophiles even be saved?
How does one even begin to communicate these feelings to Church clergy (much less anybody else at all), without getting a one way ticket to the police station?
What a miserable existence.
>>75620210
That is really shit animation m8
>>75621178
yes but the guy is a top teir scholar
>>75620918
>>75620849
Britishanon read this post I will address you further down
Okay justification is taught as a once for all legal and forensic verdict. An acquittal of all sins whereby at the moment the person practices saving faith he is justified.
The Greek word is dikaiosyne. In the Greek translation of the OT the LXX the word dikaiosyne is used in the context of a legal verdict of acquittal. St. Paul uses it similarly in Romans.
On justification
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSzJgUPjQSs
On the heresies of Rome (Britishanon)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bVEXZ38Vs8&list=PLGX4mNJduw9rs5j021MN5MieiUhKNSD04
>>75621169
They can't divulge anything you tell them at confession. Doesn't matter what
>>75621169
Yes they can and it's not through clergy my friend. Do not put authority or trust into any men. Only believe in God.
>>75621077
did Jesus pay for your sins on the Cross?
>>75621010
Predestination is determinism. They're indistinguishable except that you add in some kind of Will that planned everything to work out how it would when talking about predestination - usually God.
Men are not "elected" by God to be saved - they're saved by coming to Him and asking for His Grace, provided by the blood of Christ.
Men have and will continue to seek after God until the end of time itself. Some, if not most, won't. The path is narrow. The path *IS NOT* predetermined as to who walks it.
>>75621303
Uh. no. My sins are forgiven by God.
>>75621169
Your pedophilia is due to your sin nature that you inherited from Adam.
I advise you go to a Reformed Protestant church.
Confess your feelings and actions to God. Ask for forgiveness and that God would redeem you. Thank Jesus for dying for your sins and ask him to enter into your life.
For God died so that your sin nature wouldn't send you to Hell. He bore the burden of your sin. So after you die you will be perfect and in the full presence and embrace of God.
Can you prove god exists?
>>75621361
so What was the point of Jesus dying on the Cross then
>>75621424
Can you prove your arm exists?
>>75621316
Do you have any thoughts on this pic that was recently posted?
>>75621440
Yes.
>>75621437
Cleanses us ontologically, and allows us to commune with him. By partaking of his body and blood, we our bodies gain his body's immortality, and thus can inherit his Resurrection.
>>75621316
Sir, you are right, we have a choice to believe. But that choice is given to us by God, who is master of the world, and is behind every action, including our own.
>>75621316
Refer to the Bible verses I cited above where the Bible teaches man is dead in sin. That no one seeks after him.
People only seek after him after God has drawn them to him see John 6:44, Ephesians 2:8-9.
Yes the path is predetermined. This is how the Bible teaches it. Can I share with you resources on this matter?
Also this is the perfect example of the faultiness of non-denominational Christianity. Youse all your own tradition.
>>75621361
Wrong. God doesn't just forgive sin. Your sin had to be paid for so that you could be reconciled with God. He did that by dying on the cross for you.
>>75621488
show me that in the Bible, because in the bible i read, it says that he paid for my sins on the cross and all of the sins of the elect.
>>75621446
Too fucking long for right now - I can save it and bring it up some other time when I'm not about to go to bed.
I don't generally like the causation-based arguments for God, which is why I don't like the ways argument. I don't like causation-based anything in terms of arguments.
>>75621260
Under what church? I doubt protestant churches abide by similar traditions as an older traditional church, like (true) Catholicism or Orthodox.
But even still it feels dubious.
>>75621280
It just feels as if pedophiles are the lowest of the lowest rung at the bottom of the barrel in terms of degenerates. Nobody wants to associate with other pedophiles except for other pedophiles. How could they possibly be in any form of grace?
>>75621392
I do go to church, a baptist one, and frankly, over time I've drifted further and further away. tbqh I've heard the same cookie cutter response over and over again, it doesn't really help. I've fallen into pure and utter apathy on the outside with an inside desire so far removed to break out of it.
I haven't had that "spark" yet.
>>75621488
Make sense in the unbiblical and pagan teaches of Rome but its far from the biblical truths.
>>75621424
Yes there are arguments for the existence of God. However do you believe all knowledge comes from sense experience only/empiricism?
>>75621446
Thomism albeit is good is still a lousy apologetic
>>75621463
Really? How?
>>75621603
Ontologically he did. Not juridically.
>>75621529
limited attonement
>>75621488
It says in the Bible that he died so that our sins can be forgiven. If God has been forgiving sins this whole time then what the fuck was the point of Jesus. Also, how do you know it wasn't just Satan, um idk, deceiving everyone?
>>75621642
> I do go to church, a baptist one, and frankly, over time I've drifted further and further away. tbqh I've heard the same cookie cutter response over and over again, it doesn't really help. I've fallen into pure and utter apathy on the outside with an inside desire so far removed to break out of it.
Find a Reformed one/Calvinist one.
But what response have they given you?
>>75621677
What about it?
>>75621647
Purely saying "god exists" does not make me believe that god exists. And yes all knowledge comes from learned experience/empiricism.
>>75621424
In our world, there are observable invariable laws. We are subject to those laws. We know God exists because his laws exist.
>>75621506
I don't deny God is omnipresent, if that's what you mean by "behind". I don't deny He made everything in which we consist either. But I *do* deny we don't have choices or our own wills, which is what predestination necessarily entails.
Why did God create the universes to be infinitely more massive than our own Earth?
>>75621668
if our sin is a debt to God, and we cannot be with God because of this Debt, than Jesus paying for my sins on the Cross cancels out my debt
>>75621694
There are hardly any worthwhile churches around my area, and I don't really speak with the clergy, I'm pretty much just an observer.
I don't know, call it a hunch, but I have a feeling that if I were to confess any of those feelings, I'd be kicked out/uninvited, or at the very least have LE alerted to "keep an eye" or something.
>>75621731
Reformed Baptist so im cool with it
>>75621642
>Under what church?
Orthodox and Catholic. Not Protestant
>>75621642
Humans should love all fellow humans equally and leave all judgement to God.
>>75621737
There's the issue how do you account for the laws of logic, thermodynamics and mathematics?
How do you account for this 'middle' knowledge you have that all knowledge comes from sense experienced, did you sense that? Yes you learnt it but the guy you taught you, and the guy who taught him?
>>75621775
The Bible teaches God is behind who is saved and damned (see Romans 9).
>>75620775
>So its entirely based on that one verse of the bible? What evidence would you require before you would convert to Orthodoxy?
Not entirely, no, I just gave a simple example.
>What would it take
Sufficient argument for heychasm, for Essence-Energies, for their view of Apostolic Authority, and for Empirical Theology compared to Scholasticism.
>>75621790
Uh, not. The debt is gone because God *forgives*, at least from the Orthodox perspective. Not because it's paid by someone else.
>>75621871
im a calvinist so in a way i do
>>75621529
>This is how the Bible teaches it
You can try to. It won't turn out well for your view though. I've only got 20 minutes here left though, so if you could be quick that'd be nice.
Also I never argued men are not dead in sin - all men are unsaved before they are saved.
>>75621906
and how does God forgive?
>>75621888
Romans is post-Christ - in no world will I ever take Paul's words as God's Word. They're Paul's words.
>>75621811
They should be careful of you since you are a pedophile. Have you ever done it? Or been tempted it?
>>75621829
I know you're guys are Calvinist.
>>75621871
Look Mr. Overly Zealous Non-Denom Christian. You don't know who this guy is and what he might do. If he has no control over his pedophilia he should not attend service but stick to private devotions. By all means go to church and speak the pastor. He will arrange some kind of service for you. However it could mean that he would have to be under the observation of the pastor.
>>75621789
All answers are just going to be speculative
>>75621860
It is my hope that one day I can afford to make a pilgrimage to a monastery and meet somebody such as Elder Paisios of Mt. Athos who can truly peer into my soul and give me the answers I seek about myself.
As of right now, it's just wishful fantasy.
>>75621898
What is Empirical Theology, I thought the Orthodox were more mystic than rationalist.
>>75621775
God knowing our destiny does not equal predestination. God both gave us the power of choosing our destiny and knows the choices we will make. If you are saved, we can deduce that God saved you because he loves you for some reason. If you are condemned, we can deduce that God hates you for some reason. All this should lead you to tet to confirm your election.
>>75622046
Paul wrote in Gal 1:6-10
so if anyone contradicts his teachings, they are anathama
>>75622033
EO are heretics who deny federal headship and imputation of original sin. Pelgians.
>>75622046
I assume you're also an evolution and you deny the inerrancy of scripture?
All scripture is given by the inspiration of God (2 Tim. 3:16)
Heck the opening to Romans St. Paul declares himself an apostle of God.
>>75622081
so whats your view on baptism?
>>75622033
Through Christ, but he could forgive sins before Christ's incarnation, and often did.
>>75622081
>They should be careful of you since you are a pedophile. Have you ever done it? Or been tempted it?
No, I've never done, never plan on it. Would sooner kill myself.
As far as tempted goes, depends on your definition of tempted. I've certainly felt...feelings or urges when I see a beautiful child, but I rationally understand that it's totally wrong and I abstain from thinking about it further as much as I can.
I'm one of those who understand it's wrong and refuse to act on it.
>>75622133
>God knowing our destiny does not equal predestination.
I agree. Omniscience =/= determinism.
In no way does that reasoning lead me to believe God elects people - He takes whoever comes to Him, and whoever comes to Him does so of their own will.
>>75622081
I was answering his 'bottom of the barrel' comment. You should not label others for their actions, leave that to God.
>>75621945
On predestination
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVAeQTiQQ70
1 hour 40 mins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE8HbRYJc5Y
Short film 15 mins on pagan origin of free will
>>75622087
Stop. No. Seek to build your relationship with God by praying, meditating and fasting. Read some Puritans.
>>75622166
You're appealing to Paul... to try and convince me to take Paul's word as God's Word?
Are you all there?
>>75622222
I should add that he always forgive people through the Word though, since the Trinity does everything together: From the Father, by the Son, and in the Holy Spirit.
>>75622173
I'm a creationist.
I'm a disciple of God too. As are you, I'd hope.
>>75622328
are you a christian?
>>75622201
I am a paedo-baptist. I believe infants should be baptised.
>>75622251
Well you're obviously not too bad. I'd attend a worship service and see how it goes.
>>75622262
You're using your reasoning to come to that conclusion when the Bible teaches that God has elected his people (John 6:44)
>>75622312
I will label them since God has commanded me to practice sound judgement of people.
>>75622087
>asking someone else to peer into your soul and give you the answers
>not praying to God and Jesus Christ for that
holy shit Ukrainians are stupid
>>75617426
>Ctrl+F purgatory
>No results
What's the deal with it? Does it exist? Do people like Ghandi go to hell no matter how good they may have been on Earth?
>>75617426
>God and Savior Jesus Christ.
>God
"I wish normies would stop with this "trinity" meme" Qu'ran 4:171
>>75621790
No, a vote for Christ will cancel the debt
Arian Christianity is the true way to be
the "master race" as one might put it
>>75622352
the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit serve different roles
>>75622262
It is God who crafted everything behind that will.
>>75622320
I saved them. I don't have time for them now. I will tell you, however, that I've been through this argument in *RIGOROUS* depth before. I was considering writing my thesis on it, but it's such an overdone topic I think people would've been bored with it even with my writing style.
You can find me in these threads fairly often.
>>75622425
why do you think that
>>75622372
It's a John 10:27 thing. God spoke through Paul.
Praceteom has a big issue with God running everything. He wants to take away glory from God.
>>75622372
Yep. Saved by Christ. Not saved by Paul though.
>>75622425
He told you to cast away sinners but to love them nonetheless. Totally depraved men do not have the capacity to pronounce sound judgement on other men.
>>75622579
is the Bible your ultimate Authority?
>>75622542
I believe infants who elect go to heaven. God saves them. In Acts Lydia's whole household is baptized which included kids. I see no reason not to baptize infants. In Matthew's gospel they talk about Jesus wanting the kids to come forth and that we be like them.
>>75622533
So are you an Arminian or what? You don't believe in election.
>>75622425
God draws everyone. Not everyone comes.
Even in Romans, which *YOU* take super seriously - "For God has consigned all to disobedience, that he may have mercy on all."
>All the heresy ITT
>>75622502
Yes indeed. What you do with your will is up to you though. Otherwise it wouldn't even *BE* a will.
>>75622662
No. God is.
>>75622696
just from what i have read from the Bible that Belief is a precondition for Baptism. an i believe baptism should be done full imersion, so babies underwater isnt very safe
>>75622809
Man you're thick headed
No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day. John 6:44
>>75622696
No. I'm just a Christian. Christ is my Lord and Savior; the Son of God and God Himself.
Daily reminder that it does not matter how hard you heretics try, your satanic lies will not prevail
>>75621647
>Thomism albeit is good is still a lousy apologetic
What the hell do you mean by that?
>>75622774
go tell ya priest about it.
>>75622894
Answered that already.
>>75622749
>>75622914
>>75622828
Look you're a sophist. God has spoken and has revealed him in his word. It's his revelation to humanity.
>>75622847
I understand and that's one of the places where we draw the line between Reformed Baptist and confessional Anglicans (Calvinists) like me.
>>75622828
do you believe that the scripture is God breathed?
>>75622809
It is up to you but God is to blamed/thanked for everything. Including our choices and wills.
>>75617426
What is the point of being a Christian? Why not just adopt similar values but without the religion?
>>75622956
And you know that's true about Paul, and Paul wasn't a snake-oil salesman, because...?
>>75622981
I believe some of it is. Probably most of it. Certainly the Gospels.
>>75622942
I don't see how that deals with what I have said
>>75622913
It's was developed by a Roman Catholic which is meant to defend the heresies of Rome.
I prefer much stronger methods like the ontological argument, cosmological argument, teological (albeit its not my favorite) but especially the transcendental argument accompanied by proving the faults of atheism and metaphysical naturalism.
>>75622956
yeah, i think infant baptism would be better for social reasons, like jews being circumsised having that strong bond that christians dont have as much
>>75618030
How is Catholicism paganism? Catholicism IS Christianity
>>75622947
You shouldnt look for a church, you should look for God. Nobody is justified but God. All men are totally depraved sinners. You should not look to a church for truth. You should only go to church for the sake of investing time for worshipping Christ our Savior.
>>75623057
The early church compiled the NT. The Bible references itself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWm2Sg-qRrg
>>75623045
It's because God has called us to believe on him and has taught us about our sin and our need to be reconciled. So we believe because we want to be reunified with him.
>>75622989
No - God is not to be blamed for our sin. That is an utterly absurd notion to suggest He is. Which is why determinism is so fucking absurd to a Christian - it implies God made you sin, which would make essentially everything meangless. It would literally be likened to us judging a pebble as being evil or good for being moved by the tide - you can't judge something that never had any choice in the matter.
>>75623045
To know how to confidently live the true Way of life.
>>75623045
Values don't really bring spirituality, and without spirituality it's easy to live a life without meaning.
The nights I'm most proud of are the ones where before sleep, I prayed for both my loved ones and my enemies after reading the Bible.
It's really just that simple. Try a couple chapters of a letter from Paul or the entire book of Matthew. I cried at the crucifixion in Matthew the first time I read it.
>>75623057
2 Timothy 3:16-17New International Version (NIV)
16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God[a] may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
>>75623121
Watch the video
You have to understand that Rome has produced centuries of heresies which take a long time to unveil
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bVEXZ38Vs8
>>75623173
No you don't go to a Catholic church because they're heretics. Choose a reformed church.
>>75623230
I have read the Bible before. It did nothing like that with me.
>>75623173
>I know how to interpret the Word of God simply because I can read and everyone else is wrong
top heresy m8
>protestants
>>75623203
Yes if God hates someone he will make them sin. And he hates a lot of people. This should be encouragement for you to make an effort to do things that will make him want to love you.
>>75623203
God willed Adam to sin. You're just struggle with God's sovereignty and the fact you pick and choose and willfully remain in ignorance about the canon is your fault.
It's pagan to presuppose free will with responsibility.
>>75623232
Avoid the NIV. It's a lousy and bad translation. If you aren't going to use the KJV use the ESV or NASB.
>>75623068
You literally try to argue that "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them" means men are elected by God, and are predestined to either be saved or not-saved. I *answer that* with the Biblically *TRUE* claim that God draws *ALL* men to Him, only most don't answer the call.
>>75623355
and God is also a door and a Shepard too
>>75623198
Yeah, I'll believe that. And? Is "the early church" necessarily right?
>>75623385
Post the verse
In Acts 13:48 we read, "And when the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord; and as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed."
Acts 16:14 tells us that Lydia was saved when, "... the Lord opened her heart to respond to the things spoken by Paul."
Romans 8:29-30 states, "For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the first-born among many brethren; and whom He predestined, these He also called; and whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified."
Ephesians 1:4-5,11 reads, "Just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before Him. In love He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will ... also we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will."
Ephesians 2:8 says even our faith is a gift from God.
In 2 Thessalonians 2:13, the apostle Paul tells his readers, "God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation."
Second Timothy 1:9 informs us that God "has saved us, and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was granted us in Christ Jesus from all eternity."
>>75623384
okay just a fast verse didnt even se the translation
>>75623435
The church is a divinely appointed institute whereby God is present. Did you watch the video? Read up on the NT canon there is no excuse to be ignorance.
>>75623232
You're literally utilizing the books I'm objecting to in your argument to try to convince me to take those books as God's Word.
You should see how that's not going to work - you can't convince me to take Paul's word as God's Word by telling me about how Paul said his words come from God.
>>75623068
>It's was developed by a Roman Catholic which is meant to defend the heresies of Rome.
That's Scholasticism generally.
Thomism is a whole philosophical framework meant to understand the world. It's literally meant to be an improvement on the whole Aristotelian framework that pre-modern thought is based in.
>I prefer much stronger methods like the ontological argument, cosmological argument, teological (albeit its not my favorite) but especially the transcendental argument accompanied by proving the faults of atheism and metaphysical naturalism.
But they aren't different methods as opposed to Thomism. They are arguments that can be done in a Thomist framework or outside of it. Further, the Thomistic framework utilizes the cosmological argument and teleological argument heavily to establish an understanding of God. This is nothing you can just "prefer" instead of Thomism, this is literally part of it. More importantly, you say you prefer the cosmological argument and yet say little of >>75621446 being LITERALLY A DISCOURSE ON THE COSMOLOGICAL ARGUMENT.
So, again, what the hell man.
>>75623566
>catholic
>33
Did you mean orthodox?
>>75623582
book of Acts?
>>75623369
>Yes if God hates someone he will make them sin
That is a crazy notion. In what world do you pull that notion from? How can you judge a man who could never do anything but that which he did? You *can't*.
>>75623314
Technology is fundamentally satanic. Language and scripture are technologies. But God can reveal himself to us through those technologies. He can also reveal himself to us through other avenues which are fundamentally satanic. It's not about worshipping scriptures. It's about asking God to guide us in our relationship with him.
>>75623724
God can.
>>75623566
Its funny that you can only defend your religion by posting memes and not responding to serious scholarly work
>>75623599
> Thomism is a whole philosophical framework meant to understand the world. It's literally meant to be an improvement on the whole Aristotelian framework that pre-modern thought is based in.
Exactly it has pagan underpinnings. I myself prefer Van Tillian presuppositionalism.
>>75623762
and how do you know he is guiding you and you are not just deluding yourself? Your wishful thinking is not evidence
>>75623826
> serious scholarly work
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
>>75623455
For God has consigned all to disobedience, that he may have mercy on all.
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."
You also quoted only books of the Bible I don't take very seriously. Not a single Gospel and a whole lot of Paul. Congrats. I'm going to bed - we can pick this up in actual detail some other time.
>>75623826
sye ten Bruggencate
>>75623523
>The church is a divinely appointed institute whereby God is present
Yeah, because I'm *totally* gonna take someone's word on that for granted. You can believe that all you want though. Goodnight.
What evidence is there of an intercessory God? Or that God has revealed truth to us?
>>75623703
Think about what the book of Acts is on and about.
Goodnight - you can catch me later in threads like these.
>>75623937
Whatever anyone does, that is God's will. It is God's will to delude me or to not. All I can do is ask him to reveal himself to me and to give me the strength to worship and repent. What's wrong with this?
>>75623818
It wouldn't be anything resembling what we'd ever refer to as judgment, to say the pebble moved by the tide was immoral, or that the robot we'd programmed to lift a pallet did wrong by doing so.
Goodnight.
>>75623975
Again you're no different than the Romanists who post james 2 as a rebuttal to sola fide
Read up on the calvinist exegesis of john 3:16
its whosoever believes
But whosever believes is contingent on god electing them
>>75623999
greg bahnsen, john frame, james anderson
>>75624030
keep read up on michael j krugers work
>>75624068
The Bible
>>75624068
There is no evidence, we may only believe, in hopes that he will save us and let us live.
>>75624189
have you ever heard of Dustin Segers
>>75624153
That's why God told us not to judge one another.
>>75624189
The Bible is not evidence any more than Herodotus is evidence that the Persian army drank rivers dry and caused earthquakes when it marched
Something written down is not necessarily evidence
>>75624112
>Whatever anyone does, that is God's will.
So you are one of the loonies who thinks there is no free will?
>It is God's will to delude me or to not
did he tell you that?
>What's wrong with this?
You are not Catholic, so obviously it is not working
>>75624192
You sound like a battered housewife
>>75624068
Look up Catholic mystics, Catholic miracles, Catholic prophecies that came true.
I guess for an atheist it would be the best evidence for the existence of God.
