>/pol/ unironically loves capitalism just because of some retarded "left vs right" meme
When did you realise that capitalism is a meme and true traditionalists are anti-capitalist?
When did you realise that rhetoric about "marxism" is from a time when communism posed an actual threat to Western countries, and that capitalism has facilitated degeneracy and the destruction of tradition more than communism did?
When will /pol/ take the redpill.
If you don't compete in the global economy you literally get invaded and slaughtered
>>75595918
It's just some old american propaganda but it's still work on them bc muh american education
Isn't Reactionairanism mostly about looking at times of yore with glorifying texts describing the upper strata of that time and then compare it to modern naturalistic descriptions of all classes, including the lower ones?
>>75595918
consumerism is not the same thing as capitalism. capitalism is just a means of exchanging value. consumerism is a cultural problem. fuck off you idiot.
>>75596224
If you don't watch degenerate tv show and product toxic soda drink you become weak.
>>75596561
If you don't do everything the clergy tells you to do and go get typhus you will kill any sort of tradition.
not just that
if you believe the internet is good in any way you're bluepilled.
The very fact you're here even thinking about politics instead of being happy peasants working the fields is what's wrong with society
>>75595918
Evola is a butthurt neet from a rich aristocratic family. Him being a butthurt obscure figure proves that aristocracy is retarded since he couldn't accomplish anything besides being butthurt.
Besides the UK already has an aristocracy which owns all the land and controls the house of lords and you aren't in it peasant and you never will be.
Really , modern technology is so entrenched in modern capitalism/ consumerism and there is absolutely no way to reconcile traditional values with the computer, the internet or possibly even electricity and industrial production, period.
>>75597038
Yes. And?
>>75597038
Why only go so far?
The transition to agriculture killed off the hunting-gatherer traditions, there will be no ways to get back our original traditions in unless we do away with farming and animal husbandry.
>>75597249
Ted is that you
>>75597249
>Unironically wanting to devolve the human race to that of an abo
>>75597249
I don't believe agriculture was a bad thing. that type of anarcho-primitivism assumes that darwinism, cavemen and all that shit is even real.
The Bible and pretty much every other religious text says otherwise. We were never monkeys
>>75596781
My point was a country don't become more powerfull because of consumerism.
You make a system growth by the use of natural ressource(including human) consumerism is effective bc of the quantity but it's in majority a pure waste of ressource.
The main problem is, in a coherent and optimal system you will not reach the same activity bc you reject useless activities, so yes it's less good(expect for a ecologic perspective but i don't really care)but still your ressources are well used so you don't take too much risk
>>75595918
Please Google "capitalism" and tell me what you object to.
>>75595918
Lick my log-cutter, Trotsky
Communism=Jews take control of the farms
Capitalism= Jews take control of banks and industry
Sounds like the same shekel to me
>>75597559
Capitalist is marx made word, that's mean slavery to the rich
>>75597681
yep.
>>75595918
No sane right winger has ever said that capitalism is perfect. In [current year], it's the best we seem to have, especially when considering what the extreme left want - some form of communism. Also, if you're being serious about the communism meme, communism is not a good alternative to capitalism, just looks at any former/current communistic country and see how well they are in comparison.
>>75595918
Evola, Guenon, and Dugin should be required reading on this board.
>>75597741
>Noun - an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.
Tell me what your problem is.
>>75597521
I see, I really agree on the consumerism part. Though I don't think people take less risks today really, back in the day people would spend their entire life on the farm or in the specific trade if they could. there were risk takers,back then, but we still got them and now we send them to space and stuff.
>>75597427
You have no evidence of this. You just want to feel good and rationalize your beliefs.
The fact is that modern Western society is perfectly acceptable to the vast majority of the population with some caveats and it is undoubtedly the envy of the world.
We are outliers here because we know that the current trajectory leads to decay. But everything eventually decays and collapses in on itself. There was no mythical time when shit was good in fact shit was pretty bad since the fall of Rome until the West got a few breaks with the renaissance and the enlightenment but traditionalist fags blame enlightenment philosophy on the current state of the West anyway.
>>75596082
>feudalism was bad
Only retarded Americans buy the capitalism meme
The majority of /pol/ knows it's just slow decay compared to socialisms quick collapse.
>>75597559
Did you read the quote? Capitalism is materialism and materialism is incompatible with traditional civilization.
>>75597888
>Some private owners with no duty for the people controlling a primordial part of a country
>Not a problem
>>75598178
> traditional civilization
>>75597772
>Evola
>communist
>>75598178
Modern technology, and perhaps even all sciences even chemistry and physics are incompatible with traditional civilzation. Mass literacy too. We're unironically better off being illiterate peasants with simple faith and no other knowledge.
So ironically, niggers are more traditional than us.
>>75598178
Capitalism is not materialism. They are not synonymous. They have different meanings.
>Materialism
>Noun - a tendency to consider material possessions and physical comfort as more important than spiritual values.
>Capitalism
>Noun - an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.
>>claims to be redpilled
>>believes the internet is good
>>believes computers are good at all
>>believes atoms, elements, cells, and all that shit is even real
I'm 100% serious. You don't even realize how much you've been lied to
Fuck capitalism
>>75598273
So you also object to your own property being your own property, since that's also "controlling a primordial part of a country".
>>75598324
Well, what's wrong with that, if you're a part of that tribe?
>>75598340
Why aren't any niggers well off then?
>>75597317
Do you work with technology?
May I get your postal code and address?
>>75597402
>Unironically wanting to develop to a time before medicine and sanitation
Befire agriculture you didn't have that stuff since there was no big amounts of animals living close to humans to develop disastrous diseases or big cities gathering large amounts of toxic dump. After the early stage of industrialization we manage to get rid of both with modern technology. I don't see who the in between time is any attractive.
>>75597971
Are you replying on the wrong guy?
That anon is just denying Evolution, not that it was any bad back in the days,
>>75598273
What do you want?
During Feudalism it all was owned by a bunch of guys who cared about nothing else than keeping their dynasty and their fucking heraldry ((Seriously, we Swedes had a war with the Danes because they stole our heraldry and them with us because we stole their flag. As in big wars where thousands of average joe dies))
>>75598387
>this retarded tripfag
Materialism is to capitalism what corruption is to communism. An inevitable byproduct leading to social collapse.
>>75598340
Until these last decade traditionalism in europe was a real thing
It wasn't evola traditionalism but still
>>75598502
They most isolated tribes are well off in their own eyes. That's all that matters. It looks like shit to us but that's why they should be left alone.
>>75598340
Guenon argued that modern science was actually a degenerate form of science compared to the ancient sciences.
>>75598545
This
Capitalism turns us into cogs in a wheel with no soul. No blood or soil is a concept in this monied system.
>>75598563
How do you view things like the internet, technology , and the fundamentals of physics.
I'm an electrical engineer but now I don't even know if anything I do is true, I'm starting to think it's black magic and I need to stop my entire profession and repent of it
>>75595918
The true blue-pill is believing your ideology is any more correct than another
>>75596224
If you let in 10 million Muslims in order to "compete in the global economy" you literally get raped and slaughtered.
Enjoy your demographic replacement sven.
(Seriously pls arm and get ready for war.)
>>75598545
So what part of "people own their own property and do with it as they see fit" are you objecting to, Bong?
>>75598667
You're autistic and you need to talk to someone for help
>not understanding that the final triumph of science will be the establishment of a thearchy
Capitalism is imperfect, but it is merely a stepping stone to a higher existence. We will rule over the earth reborn, perfect and divine.
>>75598613
How though?
>>75598545
name one better system
>>75597009
>accomplish anything
Confirmed for not being familiar with his work at any meaningful level. Can't accomplish much in the Kali Yuga. Thats the point.
>>75598752
yes I am autistic but that's becuase I should never have been born, just like most people alive today. We're all worthless abominations
>>75598583
They live for like 30, they kill each other, they eat each other, they rape each other and they rape and eat their own children. They struggle every day to survive. Why not at least have agriculture?
>>75598667
Biomedical scientist here, this thought occurs to me every day. Shit is too perfect.
>>75598798
Fascism.
National Socialism.
National Syndicalism.
Property rights and free markets are good.
Everything else I'm not so sure about.
>>75598886
Ok you got me there senpai
>>75598886
Look at all those systems who didn't last longer than one generation.
>>75598916
Private property is a good thing for cultures for which private property was historically traditional (like anglo-saxons).
For others (like Native Americans) it doesn't make sense at all, their brains and language literally don't even comprehend the concept of owning land.
>>75598470
We can put a limit that's all, you can have your house a car but not 10 steel factory, nuclear reactor or te best exemple is media.
Because concept of choice and concurrence don't work here, the simple existence of private media is a threat
>>75599083
what about sites like 4chan
internet anonynmity is corrosive to society
>>75598886
Syndicalism is literally a medieval guild system correct?
>>75599083
Where you want to put a limit is completely arbitrary.
Your opinion is fueled by nothing but your feelings.
>>75599010
They were crushed into the dust by an overwhelming force before they were allowed to flourish or crumble. Your argument is invalid
>>75598503
The only reason of why we don't go to war is technology not politic
>>75598916
Free markets inherently globalist and egalitarian.
Free markets = racial suicide for whites
>>75599010
The war was lost. It's over. We Kali Yuga now.
>>75598814
I read Ride The Tiger. I liked it as a critique of society. But it's pretty much the Black Pill the book. Everything is fucked, it will stay fucked and you will just have to muster the strength to deal with this fact is the plot summary.
>>75599192
No.
It's organizing the economy through syndicates of workers that collectively own the means of production but are nationalized by the State to serve its best interest.
>>75599276
Hey at least there's an afterlife.
>>75598667
Go on a bridge with enchained to a 80kg stone jump if you survive you are a sorcerer
>>75598735
The part where it leads to out of control materialism and veneration of vapid meaningless shite. The part where it leads to the people of every nation becoming rootless capital, cogs in a machine. The part where they no longer have control over the destiny of their civilisation, where that direction is decided solely by what is profitable and serves their materialistic desires in the short term. The part where companies can tell you what you want, sell it to you and you think it makes you happy when you never would have desired it in the first place had they not wanted you to.
>>75599216
Just like true communism then?
>>75599229
Don't modern technology pretty much make feudalism an impossibility though?
>>75599276
Surf the Kali Yuga senpai
>>75599412
Sounds like convoluted communism to me
>>75599216
That which can be broken must be broken.
>>75595918
>putting ideals before practicality
>ever
>>75598785
In assuming its modern form, science has lost not only in depth but also, one might say, in stability, for its attachment to principles enabled it to share in their immutability to the extent that its subject-matter allowed, whereas being now completely confined to the world of change, it can find nothing in it that is stable, and no fixed point on which to base itself; no longer starting from any absolute certainty, it is reduced to probabilities and approximations, or to purely hypothetical constructions that are the product of mere individual fantasy. Moreover, even if modern science should happen by chance, by a roundabout route, certain conclusions that seem to be in agreement with some of the teachings of the ancient traditional sciences, it would be quite wrong to see in this a confirmation—of which these teachings stand in no need; it would be a waste of time to try to reconcile such utterly different points of view or to establish a concordance with hypothetical theories that may be completely discredited before many years are out. As far as modern science is concerned, the conclusions in question can only belong to the realm of hypothesis, whereas the teachings of the traditional sciences had a very different character, coming as the indubitable consequences of truths known intuitively, and therefore infallibly, in the metaphysical order.
>>75599010
No system is immune to overwhelming outside forces
Unless you believe in God or a higher power influencing shit, modern war is decided by numbers, not cultural or political superiority.
>>75599213
Not really i said energy, vital ressource(steels) and source of propaganda, it's not about feelings.
Who can let these between private hands who don't want by principle the better for he nation.
>>75599182
Yes we need censure.
I'n not a leftist but platonicians for a part
>>75599454
I own my own property and am an anti-materialist.
So very obviously it doesn't necessarily lead to materialism.
People doing things and selling their products or services to other people "a cog in a machine" does not make.
You never had control over anything in your life except what you do, and you're existentially incapable of controlling anything greater than that.
I can tell you want you want, or you can tell me what I want, or anyone can tell anyone what they want - you can say whatever the fuck you want; it won't make your words true, or make them matter at all.
>>75599276
There is no escape. No hope. Only hunger and pain.
>>75599751
Why those things. How much of a "limit". Why that much, and not more or less.
>>75599505
Indeed hard to say.
I must admit that i don't know if it's still possible.
>>75599855
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQn9pYXRNGM
Thread theme
>>75599751
I've been thinking, better to let Hillary win just so she destroys and locks down the internet, even for stupid feminist reasons because the internet has to die. It has to become so bad that people like us aren't addicted to it anymore and it's no longer an outlet
>>75596082
>fat cat repping capitalism
God I love this one
>>75599557
Communism is international socialism.
It's total fucking cancer.
It's born from the enlightenment ideals that started us on this path against traditionalism and secularism that is killing the West.
Where as National Socialism and Fascism are birthed from Monarch ideals but put in a revolutionary form to reinstall the rightful traditional hierarchy.
>>75595918
The problem isn't capitalism it is corporate-globalism.
>>75599727
Computer science is interesting in that it's actually rooted in classical logic to a degree.
At the lower levels it's materialistic and focused on the technology/tools but at the higher level it's actually closer to fundamental intuitive logic
>>75600101
It's not based on shifty experimental results like physics or biology.
>>75599727
what's so wrong with not assuming that anything is stable and will stay stable forever? Sorry if I am all out wrong, but don't that thinking assume it was wrong of scientists to drop the old fixed point of a geocentric universty for the new hellicentric one, which wouldl later crumble a bit as well as it turned out the sun too is moving?
>Hypothesis
Science consist of theories, not hypothesis, who are hypothesis supported by evidence. Not so important difference, but still.
>>75599746
The same defense can be used for any other system, including Socialism.
And it was the Fascists who got themselves in a situation where the rest of Europe saw them as an expanding threat and their words and promises as worthless.
>>75599936
Yes but her propaganda is bad not good so it's useless to ban if it's not for greater good
>>75599900
That's a political work to determine what can by let and what must be under the raison of the nation.
More or less i don't know, i think working like in science is a good thing trying different variation until you find a effective one
>>75600053
The guy that made that meme you used is a badass
Here is his music
http://youtu.be/afVCuC-qsAI
>>75600101
Guenon also wrote, "The truth is that there is really no 'profane ream' that could in any way be opposed to a 'sacred realm'; there is only a 'profane point of view', which is really none other than the point of view of ignorance. This is why 'profane science', the science of the moderns, can as we have remarked elsewhere be justly styled 'ignorant knowledge', knowledge of an inferior order confining itself entirely to the lowest level of reality, knowledge ignorant of all that lies beyond it, of any aim more lofty than itself, and of any principle that could give it a legitimate place, however humble, among the various orders of knowledge as a whole. Irremediably enclosed in the relative and narrow realm in which it has striven to proclaim itself independent, thereby voluntarily breaking all connection with transcendent truth and supreme wisdom, it is only a vain and illusory knowledge, which indeed comes from nothing and leads to nothing."
>>75600576
>That's a political work to determine what can by let and what must be under the raison of the nation
Yeah, which is ultimately determined by your feelings. Arbitrary bullshit. You don't know because there's no way to choose where you're going to be a violent controlling asshole and where you won't be that isn't up to your arbitrary decision making.
>>75598886
How is Fascism not capitalist?
>>75599505
No, nothing like communism. Communism collapsed under its own weight due to internal forces, it was able to live out its natural cycle. Nazism and fascism were destroyed from the outside before they had a chance to develop.
>>75600886
What about Francoist Spain?
Fascist Portugal?
Both those ended up eroding, Portugal ending up as one of Europe's poorest countries from it.
>>75601004
Portugal and Spain were not fascist, just like the South American juntas they were only autocracies with no vision and with no goals set and no ideology to follow.
>>75600796
We still need a system like capitalism where the few rule and compete while the many struggle to get to the top.
Even if post scarcity where achieved we would still have a heroic elite ruling society, commanding armies exploring space etc while the many either struggle to enter the elite or succumb to total degeneracy in virtual reality and infinite material goods. All their material and sexual needs would be met but their lives would still be shit
>>75600014
>Where as National Socialism and Fascism are birthed from Monarch ideals but put in a revolutionary form to reinstall the rightful traditional hierarchy.
wrong, fascism was just violent modernism
http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http://es.geocities.com/sucellus23/telos37.htm&date=2009-10-25+03:26:25
>Fascist ideology thus emerged, at least in part, from a novel confluence of Marxism and anarchism, or more precisely: from an anarcho-syndicalist revision of Marxist orthodoxy which increasingly distanced itself from the latter's economistic, deterministic and egalitarian premises. French revolutionary syndicalism always placed more emphasis on the role of ethical sentiment and political will, on myth and intuition, and on the autonomy of intellectual and political elites; its Italian counterpart, drifting away even further from classical anarchist principles, gradually accentuated authoritarian notions about revolutionary organization, discipline and vanguard leadership, while simultaneously exchanging traditional internationalist views for a closer recognition of the irrepressible fact of nationality. In the first decade of the present century, syndicalists such as Panunzio, Olivetti and Michels, invoking Engels' familiar remarks on the necessity of authority for all types of social organization, came to describe revolutionary syndicalism as essentially "authoritarian" in character and the syndicalist elite as a "new aristocracy" charged with the historic mission of educating the passive working masses toward a new moral and political consciousness. By 1909, Michels advanced the notion of an "iron law of elites," arising from the necessity of organizing for group and class conflicts, especially of a revolutionary nature.[19] In the same vein, Mussolini called Pareto's theory of elites "perhaps the most ingenuous sociological conception of modem times," and went on to describe himself as an "authoritarian" and "aristocratic" socialist.[20]
>>75600308
>what's so wrong with not assuming that anything is stable and will stay stable forever?
That's just nihilism, it's a rejection of any objective or transcendent truth. It's what separates a baby from a bunch of cells without a soul.
>>75598453
your pic and comment
>>75601004
You mean to tell me a country nobody liked or wanted to trade with that just got done with a civil war that tore itself apart had a hard time having a good economy?
I mean shit Pakistan hasn't recovered from Genghis Khan.
>>75601222
>fascism
>modernism
retard alert
>>75601140
And then what if someone counters and claim the Soviet Union wasn't real Communism, or that Khrushchev ruined it all and they would have ended up well if they had followed Stalin's line?
>>75601228
What when you discover something that very much contradict what you holds like an eternal truth, like that the planets rotates the sun in perfectly round orbits?
>>75601319
fascism was initly a modernist youth movement in every sense
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactionary_modernism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futurism
>>75601281
The Soviet Union went past the same problems after the first world war and they still managed to go from a feudal society to an industrial one.
>>75600772
Of course it's arbitrary, it's what happened when sombedy take a decision, a navigator decide the way, if sailor decide too it's chaos and useless.
All the point is to take the better decision so of course he must avoid to influenced by his feelings.
I'm not egalitarists, i don't think everybody is the same
>>75599833
You do not own your own property because you desire it, you own it because you were told to desire it by those who sold it to you.
The problem with capitalism is, just like communism, it has too much faith in people. People are only human, they can be easily influenced. Capitalism worked when people were still relatively immune to these influences, not we are seeing the results of a generation born into advertisement. Vain, vapid, insecure and ultimately, very unhappy because sub-consciously they know that they want nothing they have supposedly earned.
Do people want 5000 followers on Twitter, or are they merely told that be without them is to be lonely? Do they really want makeup and clothes and perfume, or are they merely told that to be without them is to be ugly? Do they want a new TV, or do they just want to escape their lives which they secretly know to be worthless?
Children on antidepressants, teenagers having sex change operations, adults incapable of forming a family. This is a fundamentally unhappy society.
>>75601597
No. They traded freely with the west.
>>75601606
Except I don't trust you or anyone else to "navigate" my own life, and the likelihood that you can convince me to follow some other retard off a cliff isn't very high.
>>75601004
Spain literally went from the Syria of Europe to one of its largest economies in a decade of fascism.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_miracle
>>75601526
Knowledge that is taught to be true is different than knowledge that we know to be true intuitively. We don't know intuitively that the planets orbit the sun.
>>75601558
yeah, it's funny how Natsoc/fascism was actually not as traditional as it's romanticized as being.
It's like a vain attempt to bring back tradition while still progressing in technology when really they're at odds with each other
>>75601558
Some retard writing a book doesn't debunk Julius Evola's own words about fascism.
He even stated Codreanu's legion was the closest thing to his ideals of traditionalism that he ever found.
>>75601526
The Soviet Union tried to follow the political idea of Communism. The claim that it wasn't real communism came from communism trying to archieve a stateless society, direct democracy and all that stuff which the soviets didn't do.
Franco and the Estado Novo didn't follow the political system of fascism at all. Hitler also had his own ideology which is why National Socialism isn't classified as fascism.
>>75595918
>essential
What is essential?
Can a man eat ideas for sustenance?
Can he drink the goodwill he feels towards his fellow man?
So long as we have civilization, we must have economic systems.
>>75601901
That's the thing, fascism should never been seen as an end in itself, the whole idea idea should be to restore monarchy and the traditional ideal. This is why Evola never joined the fascist party and was always critical of it.
>>75601901
That's not a bad thing. There's no reason to cling on the culture as it currently stands and being conservative and reactionary or letting it demise like the modernists. It is better to perpetuate it as a degenerated or closeminded culture will not bring you anywhere.
>>75602073
Even then is it even possible to have a traditional monarchy without destroying 200 years' or more of technologies and not only that but the very knowledge of how to make them?
Ironically imagine if we finally get a true monarchy to work in complete virtual reality
>>75601828
What you want doesn't matter, you are on the same ships than everybody else and you obviously can't choose the direction.
Still you can have a hobby.
Individualist think they are not dependant but we belongs to a group that's just like that
>>75602188
I don't think being traditional means you have to start using candles again.
>>75602290
>what I want doesn't matter
What you or anyone else wants doesn't matter either.
>>75602346
Maybe not, but either way I think there are certain physical technologies that make traditional society impossible. The internet for example.
>>75601855
What do we know intuitively though?
>>75601945
What if Franco had continued to call himself a Fascist, would that have made him a fascist?
There were Communists at the time who thought the post-Stalinists /or really post that kgb Jew) rulers weren't real Communists, which lead to thinks like the Sino Soviet split and Albania allying with China rather than Russia or Yugoslavia.
>>75602503
Anyway, gonna have to leave now, so no more arguing. Hope my reasoning haven't been flawed or something.
The economics of the state should be like the living body.
All cells compete constantly to survive, however the benefit of the body is the priority. Cells which survive only to benefit themselves, to the detriment of the body are cancers or are infected and are destroyed immediately by the all powerful immune system.
So it should be with society.
>>75602473
What i want no, but what want people of power yes definitely
>>75602630
As someone with autism I constantly worry I'm a defective cell of no use to any state or civilization. I recognize I shouldn't have even been allowed to have a job, or even live past infancy.
>>75602690
Nobody has any power in this world. You can be killed at any moment by forces completely outside of your control, no matter who you are or what circumstances you think you're in.
If someone is so pathologically fucked up that they feel a compulsion to subjugate others or see others subjugated, my advice would be to off yourself.
>>75602825
>not wanting to be the boot
Enjoy being stomped on forever.
>>75602734
If your abilities make up for your disabilites it doesn't matter.
You're a defective cell if you want to damage this organism. So do the hereditary sick when they pass down their diseases. So do the error theorists and nihilists when they make this organism deaf.
>>75595918
>When did you realize that capitalism is a meme?
The word has indeed become a meme, like socialism. No objective meaning.
However, I support it 100%. muh free market is muh best market. However I agree with traditionalist criticisms of consumerism.
now fuck off
>>75603032
You can do whatever you want. I'll keep doing what I'm supposed to do regardless.
>>75602476
Why? It's just a communication device.
>>75602734
Cells are differentiated, so it is with people. An epethilial cell is not expected to do the job of a neuron. It competes against others of its type.
>>75602734
At least you're self aware and have a useful skill unlike most normal-fags
>>75603032
Most people are better off not wanting to be the boot.
The whole capitalist-socialist paradigm is an illusion based on the flawed materialist "understanding" of existence. Anyone whose only lens for viewing the world is through material arrangements will forever be shackled to the ground.
>>75602825
That's utopiic to think we can get rid of the natural hierachic ordr.
People want to be dominate some other want to dominate.
In every kind of relation friendships, love, affairs etc
I think we can't get trough that so we must put limit rules law.
It's not a new idea you know
>>75603162
but ....I have desire to raise a family
>>75595918
Well said friend. This board turned into a shitty ameriboo jew slave community.
>>75603551
You're not hereditary sick. If you are you can adopt.
>>75603383
There's no hierarchy. You or I do whatever we like, and that will continue until we die and perhaps after. You can grovel before other people if that's really your fancy, or else try to induce other people to grovel - you won't see me doing the same.
I think you care too much about what other people are doing. It's probably not healthy.
>>75603607
I don't think autism is hereditary, nobody else in my family is anything like that. I think it has more to do with brain damage in the womb/early childhood
>>75602734
Being not a totaly optimal human is a well shared thing
>>75603551
That family must be of benefit to society then. Replication must be tightly controlled. Some cells do not replicate, they serve in their lifetime, not that of their descendants.
>>75603707
I should shut up, I'm being an attention whore by making this thread about my personal problems. Sorry
>>75603640
Okay Max
>>75603681
>I don't think autism is hereditary
>I desire to have children
fucking kek'd
>>75603818
Don't get the reference. Cheers though.
>>75603742
There's that, I just know I would be better off with a wife and I'm too weak to live celibate for my whole life. Maybe I'm just being an idiot and should accept being completely alone.
"WAHH GOVERNMENT COME SAVE ME, PEOPLE ARE MAKING DECISIONS FOR THEMSELVES"
>>75603551
That's your biological imperative. Don't feel guilty for wanting to be happy just because you have autism. Besides Autists are useful in a lot of cases, you mentioned you were an engineer. Your children may not even become autistic and even if they are you are equipped to raise them properly. A lot of drug addicts, alcoholics and other scum breed on a daily basis without any self awareness or guilt on their part
>>75604014
> this faggot probably supports Trump
>>75603793
No, you raised an interesting point.
Cells share the same DNA, which codes for every type of person. So it should be with culture. Even if you cannot be permitted a family, the body lives on and through it, you do also. Your familial instinct is part of your competition. By suppressing it, you act in benefit of the body and thereby make yourself of worth.
>>75597791
They are to smart for the normies on this board desu
>>75603640
We are a social animal, hierarchy is normal for us like for lions wolfs etc etc
So yes i can admit we are not a common animal, but if by chance you put yourself out of that(and i don't think you can)other will not feel this need because it's as natural as repoduction
>>75604273
but that's the thing. How am I even benefitting the body? I'm just a coding grunt for the military industrial complex, at this point I'm a cell in a humungous late-stage tumor.
>>75604353
Maurras sort de ce corps !
>>75596082
>Russian Bear, German Leopard and British Lion
We Biblical prophecy now
>>75604353
>Fall in line pleb!
Fuck off
>>75599919
ma nigga
>>75604353
Nah. You may have some kind of weird hang-up with other people, but not everyone does.
I feel no need whatsoever to violently subject other people to my whims, and feel even less of a need to shut up when you advocate violence against other people.
>>75603958
You want a wife because we live in a society which tells you that you need one. Understand that you need nothing, but to serve. If you can get a wife, you will. And so you will serve.
>>75604559
We're all plebs here welcome to the club.
If we weren't plebs we wouldn't be on the chans
>>75604439
Ah ca me fait plaisir, j'ai lu hier sur internet sa bio et je me suis dit que je devais lire ce gars mais je suis pas encore aller prendre ses ouvrages j'ai l'impression que je vais apprecier du coup.
>>75604559
Nobody orders you to fall in line tho. You do it yourself. What does your rebellion even consist of? You watched some YouTube videos bought some dick pills from Alex Jones and legally purchased a firearm. Wow you are such a rebel the system is terrified.
>>75604804
Nobody but God cares what you do leaf.
>>75604804
I'm not rebelling. I'm a part of the modern western capitalist society that respects free individual choice as long as it doesn't harm other individuals or the system that allows those individuals their choice. You radtrads are the rebels who want your "traditions" forced on others.
>>75604393
In a perfect society, you would find your niche and be honed to that niche through a millennia of somatic hypermutation.
The control of replication only need extend so far, even in the case of hereditary illness. Soon we will control such things directly, then any cell may replicate.
>>75604672
Violence is and was practicaly never used to assure domination.
People accept domination it's very bad domination or tyranny who neccesite violence.
Just look at your couple or your friend or when you work with equal, there is always someone to take decision, the women who decide the film, a friend who almost everytime finish by deciding in which nightclub you go etc etc
When i say domination i don't speak about a pure and total submission but a soft tilt of wills by one or several individu under their own will
>>75604694
I've just come to the conclusion that everything I currently do is serving the cancer, not the body, so I started to feel that something simpler like reproducing and teaching my kids to not end up like me would end up being more beneficial.
>>75605109
Except that people do not actually have a choice over that as it is always influenced by their life experiences.
>>75605561
So we should just give up on the choice we have and surrender to the state?
>>75605109
You are a cell which believes itself not to be part of a much larger whole, nothing more. And so you shall be corrected or excised.
>>75595918
>true traditionalists are anti-capitalist
I consider myself a traditionalist, nationalist capitalists. A NatCap, if you will.
Communism is more degenerate, because it assumes that the lowest common denmonator plebs are worthy of giving free shit, and getting to decide the fate of the nation.
Communism is also anti-nationalism; and without borders, traditionalism erodes very quickly. It's the same end game as capitalism; and this is why the most hardcore Soviet ideologues suppressed nationalism as much as possible in the Soviet satellite states - doing things like giving huge scores of Estonians job assignments in other countries, and conversely flooding Estonia with Russians, to erode Estonian culture and make it more submissive to the Kremlin.
A true traditionalists supports the most meritocratic framework, capitalism; while tempering it with nationalist imperatives so that it benefits the nation as a whole. Trump's ideology is very reflective of this.
>>75605476
As long as you aren't sinning I don't care what you do. I'm telling you straight up that "dominating" people is existentially impossible. People will do whatever they like - if you want to convince them to do something, you can try to, and they can be convinced or not be convinced. Everyone has always and will always be free as a matter of fact should reality remain as it has been.
There's nothing anti-free about talking with people. The idea that persuasion takes away autonomy in some respect has a history in philosophy of mind mostly, and I think it's incredibly hard to support.
>>75605940
Trump is actually slightly (read: slightly) anti-capitalist as well compared to the libertarians and the GOP establishement. Obvously he's not enough but he's still a tiny bit more traditional simply because he at least claims to be against globalism, free trade, open borders etc
>>75605879
here's the thing though. 99% of "society" today is the cancer, not the body. So maybe it's best that a lot of us all contribute nothing and die out because we were never part of the body in the first place.
I don't like that conclusion but it's something I do think of
>>75605847
You do realize that we aren't advocating for a revolt or a revolution. Some people predict that it will happen eventually as a response to the inability of the status quo to pull its head out of its ass.
Besides, what are you so afraid of losing anyway? In the modern West self sacrifice for the greater good and the community is still a virtue last time I checked
>>75605476
>Violence is and was practicaly never used to assure domination.
While superstition and enforced illiteracy were the primary ways the rulers secured power, violence was commonly used. Why do you think the emperors put people's heads on pikes and hung people in village squares?
>>75606179
In our society it is voluntary, in yours, it is mandated.
>>75606433
>>yfw you realize that illiteracy was probably a good thing
can you imagine how happy and fulfilled you'd be if you were a medieval peasant (aside from during the black plague), with a virgin wife, a share of your own crops etc.
Illiteracy is only bad in modern society
>>75606156
This body is weak, it's culture is unstable and prone to severe errors in replication and therefore a stronger will take its place. It will regain control, repair itself, suppress it's tumours and be revitalised. This depends on the effort of every cell.
>>75606547
Knowledge is a burden, but I prefer it to ignorance.
>>75606156
Too bad the majority of media still tries to paint Trump as an uber-capitalist shill.
I even still see leftists associating Trump support with "Faux News" viewership; even though Fox News hated Trump and tried to stump him at every turn with shit like Megyn Kelly's loaded questions, and flat-out supporting Jeb and Cruz over him.
Leftists have this assumed precedent of being "intelligent", but the average one is still a dumb pleb that just regurgitates MSM and outdated memes blindly
>>75605950
I don't talke about persuasion i talk about the natural willingness of being submitted or submit people.it's a mechanism proven by ethology psychological science or history.
When you heard that you think about a master/slave relation or a simple discussion between rational people.
But no it's a urge similar at the one who make us want to have a wife, kid, security, provision because in the wildlife, hierarchie who is a pure product of thousand of years of evolution, is the most efficient system available
>>75606882
I mean of course Trump is still operating within the bluepilled American capitalist/democratic paradigm but he's taking a tiny step backwards, and many his supporters probably don't even consciously realize it but that's why they like him so much
>>75606542
I can list off a dozen things that you are mandated to do.
I know that the majority are going to be ruled one way or another, most are incapable of governing even themselves, that's why we have so many obese alcoholics drug addicts and single mothers you are not seriously gonna convince me that these people are in control of their destiny or that they ever will be.
You will have a hierarchy and these people will be ruled by their betters in any system. You don't leave your children to make decisions and have them do whatever the fuck they want in your familly because you know better and that's how it is and will be under any system
>>75606433
No punition or insurrection were very rare in fact,
Or it was in case of tyranny who can't be accepted, it's just rennaisance propaganda like about the inquisition
>>75607239
literacy is overrated. At least it was.
Now it's totally different and it would take thousands of years of undoing things to get to the point where illiteracy actually leads to a happy life... or maybe not, maybe it's already happening because of the internet and VR
>>75607185
Yes, there are rules. Every society has them. Self sacrifice is not one of them, unless you think any kind of rules are self-sacrifice...
>>75607239
>actually believing this.
>muh greeds
>muhterialisms
>under literally every economic system that has existed there have been people who will seek out, secure, and fight ruthlessly for greater wealth or a higher standard of living than the people around them
>this is some sort of bizarre and unnatural phenomenon that can be solved through further economic reform and education
>or my pet form of communism cause it's neba bin dun befo
are people literally this retarded or what
>>75607522
samefag here
A nazi once said that:
Civilization is based on self sacrifice. On the willingness of men to go out and die for what they believe in. When you get rid of that self sacrifice, you get anarchy. Civilization is built because I am willing to give up something for my family and the family is willing to give up something in order to have the town succeed. And the town is willing to give up something so the state can be in business. And the state is willing to give up something so the nation can succeed. Self sacrifice is the first principle in civilization.
If you know your history then you know that your entire country was built by self sacrifice and struggle. Men would self sacrifice for a goal and an ideal higher than themselves.
Nobody is asking any alcoholics , drug addicts or the weak and petty to do anything since they go where the wind is blowing.
>>75606547
It was only after people could actually read the cuckery of christ's word that christianity went full cuck.
Notice how it destroyed rome, then when no one could read Latin it suddenly stopped being a threat and started being an asset.
There are so many things more important to human life and happiness than wealth and stuff. We're social creatures. We should feel safe, with like kin, families, community, purpose, and whatever it is that we do should feel immediately productive. I don't need to detail the loneliness, or despair of the soul in the West. We're all aware of its effects.
Capitalism is logical. But where does that leave the senior being taken advantage of in a nursing home. Young adults suffering chronic unemployment, unable to attract mates. Wage workers idling away, hating the nonsense they do. Everyone divided, in their own little individualistic bubble of escapism. Suicide at a 30 year high. Culture eroded. What did we gain.
A serf knew who he was. There was never a doubt in his mind, not about his life nor his place in the universe. He had a home to call his own. A wife. When he worked, the fruit of his labor was evident. Everything had a place. Everything made sense.
>>75608497
what you describe is more than just capitalism, it's also inherent to technological advancement really
>>75608497
>A serf knew who he was. There was never a doubt in his mind, not about his life nor his place in the universe. He had a home to call his own. A wife. When he worked, the fruit of his labor was evident. Everything had a place. Everything made sense.
All because he didn't know another way was possible.
>>75608748
ignorance is literally bliss.
You were happier as a kid before the internet, hell before you could even read. You were happiest as a newborn baby.
>>75606886
Not everyone is a sheep or a wolf. It's simply untrue to imply they are.
No one "makes us" want anything.
>>75608497
All systems fail eventually. The current status quo will fail too. We don't know when. But it will fail. Any systemic transition will be painful and "self-sacrifice" will be required in the transition.
Many people here like their freedom meme. Maybe not the current iteration of the liberal democratic system but they like some ideal form of it that was found somewhere in the US constitution and the first years of the American republic. I think that those who fall within the Fascist spectrum are not against paelo-conservatives at the end of the day they want very similar things.
If the status quo collapses then there will be an opportunity to re-built a new system taking the mistakes of the previous system into account making new rules, for some that can be a desire for control and power, for others it will be a call to serve their country and people or a combination of factors it doesn't matter.
If Fascists and paleo-conservatives and those on the right wing spectrum don't do this then there will be either anarchy a or the degenerates will take control like it happened during the Bolshevik revolution.
One of the penalties of refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors.
