After 25 years I have decided to convert to Christianity. Which sect though?
Is your sect like your sports team in that you should go for who your family is with? I have strong Irish Catholic roots but then I'm something of a Hellenophile so I'm tempted by the Orthodox church.
Fuck Protestantism though, won't touch that with a bargepole.
>>75563144
>Fuck Protestantism though
Well, you've already excluded the worst option so it doesn't really matter at this point.
>>75563144
Westeros baptist
>>75563144
Gnostic
Doesn't matter a whole lot. I'd say orthodox because fuck the papacy.
catholic church
>worshiping a kike on a stick
>fuck protestantism
you're painting with a really broad brush here.
if you've excluded them because you think cathodox churches are prettier and you'd like to worship* a woman, then by all means.
but if you're looking for salvation, you won't find it in rome's gospel.
(* hyperdulia and not latria, of course)
>>75563144
Lutheran. No guilt required.
>>75563144
>>75563144
You know what to do OP
https://my.mixtape.moe/yerinm.webm
>>75563144
Makes a pretty good read when traveling desu
>>75563144
one holy catholic apostolic church
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.
>>75565694
this.
Young believers in the Catholic Church are orthodox as fuck. As the baby boomers die and the lukewarm adults simply don't show up, you are left with a deus vult youth
http://www.thetablet.co.uk/news/1030/0/-conformist-younger-clergy-wary-of-francis-dublin-archbishop
>>75563144
is Anglican Christian?
if it is try your own national religion first
>>75565694
That looks like idolatry.
>>75563144
>After 25 years I have decided to convert to Christianity
What made you convert?
Church of England. Respect your heritage.
>>75563144
As a British person if you don't pick Anglicanism you are missing out on the best branch of Christianity best suited for our people.
Any other choice would reveal a lack of awareness about your own culture and Christ's role in the lives of our folk.
>>75563144
911 links from deleted thread.
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NWO: Communism by the Backdoor Part 11
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The Zionist Plan for the Middle East
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article33220.htm
Top Illuminati (Jew) Grand Wizard: “We Control Islam and We'll Use It to Destroy the West.” (WW3)
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Bonus;
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Jews Banished From Countries 109 Times Since 250AD
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>>75563144
>fuck Protestantism
Your pic related is a Protestant cross, bong
>>75565767
No.
>>75563144
STAY AWAY from ANY sect.
merely believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and trust Him to remove the guilt of ALL your sins - past, present, and future.
i am deadly serious about this; if you end up in a denomination that encourages you to put ANY trust in your own works, you're as good as damned.
>"21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’"
Matthew 7:21-23
notice what their reply is: they have placed their faith in what THEY did. no real follower of Jesus would EVER dare speak such words.
...and welcome to the Family
![lrose_stainedglass300[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/RNbztrU.jpg "lrose_stainedglass300[1].jpg")
>>75563144
Come home, white man.
Hating on Protestants? Go suck the popes communist dick.
>>75566956
i forgot to mention:
what is the "will of the Father" that Jesus refers to?:
>" 40 For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.”"
John 6:40
it is to believe on the One He sent.
nothing more, nothing less.
>>75563144
Protestant is God-Tier
Avoid the heretical Anglican "Christian" Church its just the monarchy's mouthpiece
Also avoid papist synagogue of Satan
Eastern Orthodoxy is cool too
Go Catholic
SSPX? At least Traditionalist
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=av1uKMJ8X9w
pretty intersting documentary about SSPX in Sweden(and some in France)
Nestorian.
>>75563144
Afshin Javid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2-L1KIU7lao
Ian MacCormack
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CsbQeCYJ0Do
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=N1-ezZ9hkD8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WLoc1yDYzlo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HbTAmN4m2lQ
Bill Wiese
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoYCUtIRP30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=G13ArSGr4es
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7rQow8NzZo Part 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX3Ow_VEkuM Part 2
Tamara Laroux
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HGQDkCi-OIY
Mickey Robinson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xRSjzY0s0SM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=s66DchGhhD0
Howard Storm Atheist Professor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8vj0qKthCgg
Atheist Dr. Donald Whitaker
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=X54dYbfCSR4
A dying mans last message
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=TeE2xg3REtA
Ex-satanist confession
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6l7A4cQHxuY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ZOj76xrG62k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=BY6xD4dl1x8
Ugandan Pastor Shocked he would not enter Heaven
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nnM_NtZfQTM
Orthodox Priests in a cave monastery
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FcvPDNz9xHo
>>75563144
Christianity like any other jewish religion is bullshit for anything else than cultural and moral values.
If you have Irish Catholic roots, go be a catholic. The Pope is an oximoron, but he is propably a PR stunt to lure libtards to the church and make the poor stay.
Orthodoxy is overrated, given the comparison that religious orthodox countries are still degenerate, while religious catholic nations are moral.
>>75563144
Religion is for the weak.
>>75563144
Catholicism is God's institution. Come home.
>>75563144
Baptist Bro Church
>>75567240
>the bible and quran are both non-fiction
What.
>>75567166
"14 What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? 15 Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. 16 If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? 17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead."
James 2:14-17
>>75563144
Literally ANYTHING except Cucktholicism.
>Fuck Protestantism though
Why? They seem to have the most accurate beliefs at the moment.
Catholics make up all this bullshit that isn't even in the Bible. Seriously, if we made a list of the shit that Catholics believe and then checked the Bible like 1% of the shit would actually be in the Bible.
>>75567904
lol what
>>75568119
>Protestants
>accurate
>Joel Osteen
>mega churches
>Westboro Baptist
>female priests
>no apostolic succession
>>75563144
DEBATING JESUS MYTHS IS SO FUN!
LETS COPY AND PASTE BIBLE VERSES AND GO BACK AND FORTH OVER WHICH INTERPRETATION OF JEWISH TEXTS FROM 2000 YEARS AGO IS THE BEST
>Christcucks aren't insane
>>75563144
Don't worry about it too much. In Christianity you can't have sects outside of marriage.
>>75568119
>They seem to have the most accurate beliefs at the moment.
> Seriously, if we made a list of the shit that Catholics believe and then checked the Bible like 1% of the shit would actually be in the Bible
>>75566302
>>75566638
>>75566803
>Anglicanism - a church founded by king who wanted "muh" divorce. I will never understand how can someone be anglican unironically. Pic related.
Catholicism is the religion God gave the European man to spread to the world. Embrace your Salvation and heritage. Protestants and other God-hating heretics will burn on the coals of their own self-worship.
>>75568317
Old fashioned Lutheranism and Hussitism was cool tho.
>>75563144
Eastern Orthodoxy is the fullness of the faith, the traditional ancient faith, the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.
>>75568321
>being this ass blasted
Why do you feel the need to shitpost in a thread that has nothing to do with you?
>>75567862
I think Quran is supposed to be its own category "know thy enemy" just some poorly paint job i guess
>>75567240
> Non fiction
> The bible
>>75568005
> no confession
> predestination, do what you please
> gay bishop or a woman bishop
> more tea vicar
literally what can go wrong?
>>75568321
>>75563144
>Fuck Protestantism though
So, you don't want to be a Christian, you just want to be a deus vult meme lord?
>>75563144
>Fuck Protestantism though, won't touch that with a bargepole.
Well done, you've already fallen for Satan's memes. The devil is very happy that you not only allow but are encouraging and taking part in the division of Christ's Church.
>>75568485
Anything that's old fashioned isn't that bad. I'm Catholic and mainly go to Latin Masses, I only go to anything post Vatican II if I must
>>75563144
Traditional Catholic
Only join a Catholic Church that says the traditional Latin mass and rejects Vatican II modernist bullshit
You'll be glad you did
Evangelic. Or better study Bible yourself and forget lukewarm churches like Catholics and Orthodox and many others.
>>75563144
Eastern Orthodox Church, my nigga.
>>75568569
>>75568615
This 100%
And the woman you meet in Latin masses are wife tier
>>75568584
Keep worshipping your internal monologue, protestant heretic. Leave us believers alone.
>>75567904
Wow really makes you think
>>75568321
When the new modern groups relies SOLELY on the scripture to get anywhere that's what you'll get into. It's annoying as shit and Apostolic Christianity wants those groups gone to begin with.
>>75568119
Eastern Orthodox is the most accurate Christian sect there is faggot
And that's coming from a nihilist who hates religion
>>75568782
>Hey guys I love being a Child of God and love being able to strive to praise and honour him
>That's why I'm going to mock and insult my brothers and sisters because they try and worship our Father differently than me
>>75568694
>catholics actually believe their pagan cult has anything to do with Christ
>>75568321
Most aren't insane, just delusional and excessively grief stricken that the possibility of their jew god not being real is a pretty good possibility
If you want the fullest and truest form of Christianity, the go Orthodox.
The Catholic Church was decent until the Medieval years when it became corrupt as fuck, not to mention making up doctrine.
The Protestant Churches sometimes have the right thoughts but have no original doctrine and are too obsessed with "being saved" which is essentially BS.
Christianity is not a religion based on a book. The Bible is not the basis of our faith. The Bible is literally just a collection of stories. It helps to guide and complement the Christian faith but if you want to follow rules from the Old testament, be a Jew.
Christianity is a faith which is based on the Church and the teachings from it. Orthodoxy is the true faith because every Priest has been taught by one before him in direct lineage of the original disciples.
Go to an Orthodox service, just see what it's like. Talk to the Priest, talk to the people. See if it's what you are looking for.
>>75569005
>Lutheran Heterics
>/Pol/ approved.
>>75569005
>lutheran
>not heresy-tier
anon...
>>75569120
You sound mad anon
https://my.mixtape.moe/yerinm.webm
>>75563144
>Orthodoxy, come and see.
>>75568493
>>75568125
>>75567904
>>75568973
>>75568923
Im not from a Orthodox catholic country, and yes its called Orthodox catholic. Roman Catholic have just copied the term.
Catholic basically means "way", "rules" or "doctrine".
Orthodox catholic is what Jesus 12 disciples had followed and its unchanged. It seems to be the most true.
Roman catholic is from satanic roots, the leaders are satanic, doesnt mean every single follower are that, ofcourse not.
Love God with your heart, that whats matters. But truth is truth and will never become false.
The Catholic Church has the coolest art, coolest architecture, the coolest lingo, the coolest history, a bangin' literary tradition (and a diverse one, too, spread across like a jillion countries) and the centralized and hierarchical nature of the Church is just so colorful and intricate (Did you know there's still a GRAND MASTER OF THE TEUTONIC ORDER? Because there is.) It's like a little piece of the middle ages that survived into modern times. Come to think of it, that's literally what it is.
I don't really think any other strain of Christianity can hold a candle to Catholicism's grandeur. If aesthetics are important to you, there's really only one choice, although in my opinion Eastern Orthodoxy pulls a respectable second.
I'm an atheist (not by choice, I just don't believe in God) and I'm still fucking jealous of all the cool toys Catholics get to play with. At least I was baptized Catholic.
>>75569142
>>75563144
>not being non denominational
fuck off
>>75563144
The official church of /pol/
Westboro Baptist
>>75569342
>Catholic basically means "way", "rules" or "doctrine".
nope
>Orthodox catholic is what Jesus 12 disciples had followed and its unchanged. It seems to be the most true.
Catholic Church can claim that just as much
>Roman catholic is from satanic roots, the leaders are satanic
Ur mum is satanic m8
>>75569391
this
>>75569515
I reall love those scientific-based arguments.
Vatican and Roman catholicism are all satanists. Have u ever read the 10 commendments Kike?
SHALL NOT HAVE IDOLS. Pope is the biggest idol of all.
Christians love Jesus. Roman catholics love the Pope. So already there its a failed way of christ.
American Episcopalian.
>Descendants of the Protestants who went to America
>Reject the Pope and the Vatican because a British king wanted to get divorced so he started his own religion
>Also reject the British king because muh war of independence
>Sort of just stuck in the middle, utterly pointless
Orthodox brah
Dont be like the sandnigger loving pope.
>>75563144
catholics are faggots
>>75569660
>Vatican and Roman catholicism are all satanists
ebin meme m8
>Pope is the biggest idol of all.
He is simply the holder of the office of the Papacy. He is a human and nobody idolizes him. Stay mad.
>Christians love Jesus. Roman catholics love the Pope.
If you loved Jesus you would be part of your Church. Love is abou obedience above your feelings and your individualist worldview. Catholics love Jesus more than any other because they do his will more than any other. Stay salty.
>>75569660
Mate, no one worships the pope, nor the saints, nor the statues, nor rosary beads.
>>75569961
/catholic/ general when, wolfy?
>>75569660
>scientific based evidence that the pope is the anti-christ
What the actual fuck? Are you actually developmentally disabled?
>>75563144
Either roman-catholic or orthodox;
Anything else is dubious
>>75569142
>Catholics became very corrupt in the medieval times
You're right but they've definently reformed. In sure not in the U.S, but I've heard from Russian and Slav posters that a lot of the Orthodox Church is corrupt in the Eastern Bloc involving politics
>>75569961
>Muh feels are god's will, ma-an.
Furthermore, we don't worship our internal monologue and call it god. Which is why we're not Protestant.
>>75569961
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Xta31joiIhU
Roman catholic is satanic lucerferian
>>75563144
Eastern Orthodox. Everyone is allowed one divorce.
>>75563144
Join glorious Orthodox church, cyka blyat!
>>75569391
>Grand Master of the Teutonic Order
Just fucking look at this guy. Look at how smug his face is. This is a man who's ready for Holy War
Daily reminder to all Catholics that your pope cares more about the Muslim invaders than he does about you.
>>75569961
As former Catholic that's total bullshit and you know it.
>>75570222
I found you in the comment section.
>Good presentation. i was a catholic for many years. i abandoned this blood cult after diligently studying it's history for 10 years. it was very hard to come to terms with the historical record. but my conscience would not allow me to remain there. so i left to study orthodox judaism for 12 years. i did not convert.
>>75569515
>>75569961
>>75570160
you all took the fucking bait, he's the same romanian faggot who posts his orthodox "WE WUZ" and other retarded copy-pasta
I bet he has that one romanian website which has articles like obama , the pope and other major figures are illuminati and shit.
Just stop replying
JESUS CHRIST
PLEASE FORGIVE US OF OUR SINS,
PLEASE FORGIVE US OF OUR DEBTS,
PLEASE SAVE US FROM YOURSELVES, AS WE ARE NOT CAPABLE OF SAVING OURSELVES,
LET YOUR WORD BE DONE ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN,
FORGIVE US FOR WE HAVE NO OTHER WAY
AMEN
>>75563144
The Catholic Church, obviously, because Deus Vult, and because many refugees are coming into Europe and only the Catholic Church is capable of responding to this influx appropriately. Pic. related.
>>75570426
Then you or those around you weren't taught or abided by the rules of the Church
>>75570222
>meme youtube video from a tinfoil-hat uneducated heretic
>science
>>75564570
This guy knows.
>>75563144
Become catholic,
We have outdoor mass, and you can drink a lot of alcohol with God's blessing.
>>75570084
I have to head to work, man. Sorry.
Glad the people on the thread largely know better though.
>>75570222
>guys totally read this propaganda, it will show you otherwise
If you have an argument, present it to us, not some documentary that we have to dismiss wholesale to get anywhere.
>>75570426
As a current Catholic that not bullshit at all and I'm surprised you don't know it.
The pope takes the position of Peter.
The saints are venerating (respected) and people ask them to pray for them.
Statues are done for the same reason cross pictures and pictures of Jesus are done - for remembrance.
Rosary Beads are a tool for a prayer, not the object of worship themselves.
I find it crazy that you do not know this.
>>75570511
Fair enough. I'm out.
I bet it must be terrifying for heretics to see the Fire of Christ rising.
>>75570608
Truth will always be truth, and never ever become false.
False will always be false, and never ever become truth.
Make the research for yourself on Roman Catholic and its satanic history and order.
>>75570771
Protestants and Roman Catholics are heretics.
>>75563144
Roman catholic. Don't mind the haters.
@75570825
(you)
>>75571043
The haters help lost-souls navigate to the Truth.
Heresy will die from its own corruption.
>>75563144
non denominational christian. its the only true chritianity. based on the new testament and biblical teachings only, not worshiping ,en like the catholic church
the church of christ is good
>>75569423
I'm nondenominational and I want to jump ship. Enjoy being a Protestant who doesn't acknowledge being one.
To be fair though it's a very good entry-level for new converts, and my church does a lot of good in the community. I just think if you want to get closer to absolute truth you have to progress, and it always seems to go closer and closer to the Catholic and the Orthodox.
>>75563144
go back to the abrahamic creed, that's a real religion, not some stupid blasphemous faith that is anti logical.
>>75571195
>Muh feels are god, trust me.
>>75571149
>ITT most people don't know shit about the true essence of Christianity or what it even means to be born-again because truly I say they have no real interest in God nor really wish to worship Him.
>>75563144
>fuck protestantism
U understand that all Christian sects want you to remove hate from your heart right?
You don't have the mentality to be a good Christian but if you want to be a piece of shit be a Catholic then some random asshole with a hat can tell you his semen is God's juice and fuck your children
>>75571485
https://my.mixtape.moe/yerinm.webm
>>75563144
Just read the Bible and join whichever local (non-heretical) congregation is most suited to your heritage. Denomination doesn't matter. Just live the real spiritual life, don't get too hung up on religious formalities.
>>75571543
>
https://my.mixtape.moe/yerinm.webm
>>75571316
Iconoclasm is way to deny that God is a being separate from ourselves, with a will that often conflicts with our own.
After a while, our feelings and opinions become God, and Protestantism follows.
>>75571149
>american
>christian
>>75571485
We aren't talking about that, we're talking about churches. If you think that Protestant churches are closer to the absolute truth than the Catholic or the Orthodox, then you're a regular comedian.
Protestants, Catholics, and the Orthodox are Christian, but only two of them have a decent claim at being the original Church.
A Catholic can love Jesus, an Orthodox can love Jesus, and guess who what? A Protestant can too.
Stop drawing lines around denominations and expecting salvation to be bound to those lines.
>>75571802
>Iconoclasm is way to deny that God is a being separate from ourselves
This sentence literally makes no sense
>After a while, our feelings and opinions become God, and Protestantism follows.
Statues don't tell you what to feel or what to think, wtf are you talking about?
>>75563144
The Gospel of Jesus Christ is that he died for the sins of his people and rose again 3 days later. 40 days later he ascended into Heaven and will return again to judge the world and restore the creation. The time to repent and submit to the will of God and to believe that Jesus is the Messiah is now.
>>75563144
I've heard converting to Catholicism was quite a lengthy process. It's something I intend to do in the future too.
>>75566803
>>75572037
I don't know how long it is, but it's certainly worth it
pic related
>This citadel of Satan which has been raised against the citadel of God has caused, unfortunately, many Catholics to lose their faith. Many of them have believed it necessary to ally themselves to the force, with powers to those who have money and thus they have made compromises. It is these that one calls liberal Catholics, condemned by Pope Pius IX, condemned by Pope Leo XIII, condemned by Saint Pius X. all these Catholics who have come to terms with the enemy and those who play the game of the enemy – it is these who have penetrated in Rome and it is these who have inspired the Second Vatican Council and all of its consequences. Thus we are in complete confusion.
Then the Jews answered and said to Him, “Do we not say rightly that You are a Samaritan and have a demon?”
Jesus answered, “I do not have a demon; but I honor My Father, and you dishonor Me. And I do not seek My own glory; there is One who seeks and judges. Most assuredly, I say to you, if anyone keeps My word he shall never see death.”
Then the Jews said to Him, “Now we know that You have a demon! Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and You say, ‘If anyone keeps My word he shall never taste death.’ Are You greater than our father Abraham, who is dead? And the prophets are dead. Who do You make Yourself out to be?”
Jesus answered, “If I honor Myself, My honor is nothing. It is My Father who honors Me, of whom you say that He is your God. Yet you have not known Him, but I know Him. And if I say, ‘I do not know Him,’ I shall be a liar like you; but I do know Him and keep His word. Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.”
Then the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?”
Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.
>>75567433
>t. ahmed
>>75566956
Get out pop-theologian
>>75571963
You're confused. I'm Catholic and arguing against Protestantism and its attendant iconoclasm.
>>75571209
I don't even go to church. I don't need to go listen to someone tell me how to praise Him when I can do it myself. My family never really put much into Christianity, as in denominations. We never discussed or talked about it. We just simply believe - without the extras.
Orthodox = always the danger of becoming Russian puppet. Pick Catholicism and wait for the current situation to get cleared up. There are always eastern European cardinals making way more sense than any other religious leaders. Czech, Polish etc. Eastern Catholicism.
>>75572495
So that's why I didn't understand your point. I assumed you had opposing views because you replied to me instead of the prottie anon. My most sincere apologies.
>>75572582
So your "faith" is all internal, and evolves around your internal monologue, i.e. muh feels and opinions.
>>75569342
>"satanic origins"
>literally founded by Peter
Even Orthodox followers know this.
Im a lurker, my English is shit but I want to say something.
Im tired of /pol/ complaining about how europe is lossing its christian heritage. If you are christian just work together, make fraternities, show your christianity to your neighbors. Right now my neighbors are playing Holy Week music in direct in my tiny neighborhood, the fucking windows are trembling with the drums. Just imagine how the marxists and moors are feeling right now. In the 4th June they are going to put in the streets a "paso" which is an image of Jesus. All the kids are enjoying it. This is just an andalusian tradition, you can make your own shit, but you can make an idea.
>>75572723
No need for apologies, but thanks nonetheless, my brother.
>>75572582
>I don't need to go listen to someone tell me how to praise Him when I can do it myself.
If that were true, why would God bother to mingle in human affairs, create Israel, icarnate as a man and die for our sins? By that way of thinking you can just make up any religion you want in your head as long as it is aimed at one omniscent God and pretend it's accepted by him.
>We just simply believe - without the extras.
That's like saying you believe in the USA as a country - without its laws. You cannot pick and choose what you want to believe. The extras are part of the faith.
>>75568119
>sola scriptura
>found in scripture
>>75563144
Embrace your western heritage, become a Catholic, there are even some latinized Byzantine Catholic churches around too for a comfy in between
Orthodox Eastern
>>75573012
there is a lot of truth in what you are saying, anon
>>75573091
>Nowhere
>>75564227
It's Westboro. You dumb, mick.
There is a lot of good music on the internet to get one started on the path to embracing classical European Christianity as a public identity. As opposed to that "spiritual but not religious, I will pray in my own house while also possibly being into crystals and Deepak Chopra" degeneracy.
Do a YouTube search for Chant of the Templars.
>>75572995
Roman catholic is dated to the great schism at year 1054.
Protestantism and luther-bs around year 1400-1500
Orthodox catholicism dated to the 12 discplies of Jesus
In the end of the day, what matters is that you love God with your heart and humble yourself before him.
>>75567904
If you are a hellenophile you might like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AE1FzSC8DBs
>>75568059
James 2 is speaking of how we show our faith BEFORE MEN.
if you take James to mean we are saved by works, you have ENORMOUS contradictions all throughout Scripture that you can't possibly reconcile.
James is saying that our works are the only way we have to show our faith to others
Why do people on this board hate Protestants? Isn't it just Orthodoxy but without the worshipping of idols? Wouldn't that make Protestantism the purest for of Christianity? pls no bully I genuinely don't know
>>75572429
it's called THE BIBLE.
do you believe that "theologians" are necessary for Salvation?
the Gospel is so simple that a child can understand it. it actually TAKES a theologian to over-complicate it to the point of meaninglessness
>>75573857
No, Orthodox is 1054. They were kicked out the Church for being constant heretics, it was Iconoclasm one week then head of State worship the next. Shameful.
>>75574247
>>75563144
Don't be a Catholic fag.
>>75572972
>pic
So he would join the Westboro baptists church or some other cult like Jehova's Witness?
>>75573235
Imagine the butthurt in the moors, atheist and marxists.
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1ReCAyFgCiw
>>75574616
niiiiice
>>75563144
>protestantism
Not saying you should turn to protestant, but there are thousands of types of protestant churches. It's wrong to say there is a protestant church because encompasses many with different views.
>>75574410
Idolaters get buttmad when someone points out their wicked ways. It is hard for them to admit that they have been acting againts teachings of Christ and apostles. Thei whole worldview would crumble.
>>75563144
>I have decided to convert to Christianity
Why christianity? Islam is much better, if I wasn't atheist I'd go muslim.
Islam is basically same thing as christianity, but much stronger. Just don't do suicide bombings, and it'll be okay.
>>75574247
>James is saying that our works are the only way we have to show our faith to others
wrong. Protestants use Abraham as a way to demonstrate this false teachings. Yet when God tests Abraham there was nobody to look at him and see that his faith was big through his works. Only God. In fact, if this protestant idea was true, God would have no problem in us praying loudly in public, whereas he specifically tells us to pray in private and not show off
>>75574410
The confusion comes about because there is no "Protestant" church, but it's an umbrella term for everything not Catholic or Orthodox.
It applies to Calvinists, Lutherans, Baptists, Prosperity preachers, Methodists, Presbyterians and I guess even stuff like Seventh-Day Adventists, Mormons, etc...
You can categorize Protestants as almost any sort of negative image you want, if you pretend it's all just Joel Olsteen or Westboro baptists.
>>75575032
>Yet when God tests Abraham there was nobody to look at him and see that his faith was big through his works
Abraham had many servants.
be honest: did you even read the Bible, or are you just parroting what someone told you?
moreover, the point was for God to establish the "type," so that later generations would learn from what Abraham did. in essence, you and i are the observers, and NT writers like Paul are directing us to look at him.
>In fact, if this protestant idea was true, God would have no problem in us praying loudly in public, whereas he specifically tells us to pray in private and not show off
i have no idea how you draw this conclusion. maybe you should tell your Catholic friends, since they actually prayout loud publicly, repetitively, and in unison.
>>75563144
If you have to ask this question - you're not interested in spiritual life, you're still living in the world and want to be a poser.
Having to ask an atheist / degenerate group what denomination you should pick tells allot about you.
>>75574410
>pls no bully I genuinely don't know
this sounds like le epic trole
Martin Luther god "encouraged" by his jewish friends to break up the church. Later he realized they'd burned him and he wrote "The Jews and Their Lies" which has been memory holed by every Protestant.
Protestantism is 10,000 forms of heresy. Everything from snake handlers to Mormons to Baptists is a Protestant.
>>75575487
>Abraham had many servants.
You didn't get it. God asked him to kill his son. He asked him to do works to prove his faith. Then he stopped him. There was nobody around to look at Abraham's works. Let's not talk about all the stuff Abraham had to do like go into the desert with no destination or erect an altar to God. Abraham's works were done for God, not for other people to see.
Lutheran are retard tier, what you do on earth barely counts as long as you believe. Good actions are for posers.
>>75575791
So what branch just reads the Bible and nothing else? Is nothing sacred anymore?
>>75575812
3 Early the next morning Abraham got up and loaded his donkey. He took with him two of his servants and his son Isaac.
Genesis 22:3
YES, THERE WAS.
but, once again, the primary audience here is NOT the servants, but US. after all, why does Paul point to this as indicative of Salvation? Paul plainly says that Abraham was SAVED BY FAITH:
>What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, discovered in this matter? 2 If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about—but not before God. 3 What does Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”[a]
Romans 4:1-3
what is difficult to understand here? Paul says it in no uncertain terms.
If you're Irish you should follow your roots and be Catholic, just go to Latin mass and wait for the christian revolution
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hakb6S0IpgY
>>75576193
Why would you do that ? Reading the Bible means interpretations, meaning you need guidelines for fideles or you don't have a church
>>75574459
This is pure bullshit and utter lies. Blaspheme God is a bad sin.
12 disciples of jesus follow the so called orthodox catholicism
>>75567904
>Straight from the demonic heresiarch's mouth.
Martin Luther on the Dignity and Majesty of God
“I look upon God no better than a scoundrel” (ref. Weimar, Vol. 1, Pg. 487. Cf. Table Talk, No. 963).
“Christ committed adultery first of all with the women at the well about whom St. John tell’s us. Was not everybody about Him saying: ‘Whatever has He been doing with her?’ Secondly, with Mary Magdalen, and thirdly with the women taken in adultery whom He dismissed so lightly. Thus even, Christ who was so righteous, must have been guilty of fornication before He died.” (ref. Trishreden, Weimer Edition, Vol. 2, Pg. 107. – What a great blasphemy from a man who is regarded as “great reformer”!).
“I have greater confidence in my wife and my pupils than I have in Christ” (ref. Table Talk, 2397b).
“It does not matter how Christ behaved – what He taught is all that matters” (ref. Erlangen Vol. 29, Pg. 126).
>>75576193
kek
you're asking all the right questions, dutch-bro. Be careful about asking these IRL because the butthurt will flow.
Uhhhhh Pastor Anderson on youtube is sola scriptura or bible only and he's a fundamental independent Baptist preacher. The churches get really specific and usually don't like each other because half of the time they preach about how wrong everybody else is.
But yes, most Protestants throw away the traditions and teachings of the apostles to focus solely on the Bible. Also, they already edited the bible. Martin Luther threw out the books that he didn't like. The Catholic bible is the complete version.
>>75576005
http://bookofconcord.org/fc-ep.php#IV.%20Good%20Works.
Learn some theology if you arent too busy surrendering to muslims like the rest of your nation.
>>75575791
Jews are outside the kingdom of God and can only be saved through Christ. The book is pretty much valid in thought if not in the means.
Just be non denominational. I'm trans so it's not like I would fit in with most churches anyway, I might as well just worship at home and have my own relationship woth God and because I'm not part of a branch I can pray to mary too.
>>75576321
>the primary audience here is NOT the servants, but US
Nice damage control. In the act there was nobody looking at him.
I can quote as many verses in Scripture that refute your verse, that's not any proof for one way or another
Martin Luther on the 10 Commandments
“[The commandments] only purpose is to show man his impotence to do good and to teach him to despair of himself” (ref: Denifle’s Luther et Lutheranisme, Etude Faite d’apres les sources. Translation by J. Paquier (Paris, A. Picard, 1912-13), Volume III, p. 364).
“We must remove the Decalogue out of sight and heart” (ref. De Wette 4, 188)
“If we allow them – the Commandments – any influence in our conscience, they become the cloak of all evil, heresies and blasphemies” (ref. Comm. ad Galat, p.310).
“It is more important to guard against good works than against sin.” (ref. Trischreden, Wittenberg Edition, Vol. VI., p. 160).
>>75576321
also, notice:
Paul: Before GOD
James: Before MAN
you guys refuse to believe what is very, very, very plain all throughout Scripture. you WANT to make Salvation hard. you are like the Pharisees of Jesus' day,tying up heavy burdens, unwilling to lift them yourselves, slamming the door in the faces of others.
those in the wilderness wee healed merely by LOOKING AT THE SERPENT THAT WAS LIFTED UP. Jesus draws the same analogy for Himself.
Look at Matthew 7:21-24, for a glimpse of your future:
>21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many works?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
"LOOK AT MY WORKS! LOOK AT MY WORKS!!"
no real Christian would ever DARE say such a thing! your works will DAMN. YOU. if you are foolish enough to trust them
>>75563144
Come to the orthodox side lad. Our churches are beautiful when compared to the sterile aspect of the catholic/protestant/derivates from those ones (well except catholic cathedrals). Also you really discover your spiritual side when you participate in the traditions of the orthodox church, like the orthodox easter or the orthodox christmas.
>>75576829
>I can quote as many verses in Scripture that refute your verse
Not disagreeing, but can you list them?
Martin Luther on the Material Necessity of Good Works
“Good works are bad and are sin like the rest.” (ref. Denifle’s Luther et Lutheranisme, Etude Faite d’apres les sources. Translation by J. Paquier (Paris, A. Picard, 1912-13), VOl. III, pg. 47).
“There is no scandal greater, more dangerous, more venomous, than a good outward life, manifested by good works and a pious mode of life. That is the grand portal, the highway that leads to damnation.” (ref. Denifle’s Luther et Lutheranisme, Etude Faite d’apres les sources. Translation by J. Paquier (Paris, A. Picard, 1912-13), VOl. II, pg. 128).
>>75566555
Those sweet repeating digits did
>>75576806
>Jews are outside the kingdom of God and can only be saved through Christ. The book is pretty much valid in thought if not in the means.
I agree, and I have the book but haven't finished it. When I read about what the Jews do, it is so vile and evil it makes me sick to my stomach, so I just can't do it very much. They are truly the Synagogue of Satan.
I hate horror movies, and reading about them is way worse than watching one.
>>75565081
yeah yeah, your favorite kike isnt a kike at all, keep on keeping on buddy
>>75577022
>>75576942
http://www.catholic.com/magazine/articles/justification-sola-fide
“St. Augustine or St. Ambrosius cannot be compared with me.” (ref. Erlangen, Vol. 61, pg. 422). -Heresiarch Martin Luther
>>75577030
I agree with Luther on this. There is an idea in Orthodoxy parallel to the Holy Fool concept where sin keeps you from pride.
>>75566555
underrated get
also, its probably a troll thread. nobody converts to christianity, they are born in and cant leave to psychological reasons
>>75576942
>Look at Matthew 7:21-24, for a glimpse of your future:
yes, those are protestants who think they only need to call on Jesus, and not do his will, to be saved. That is you anon
>>75563144
Orthodox motherfucker. Do your part when it comes time to retake Constantinople for Christendom
Orthodox>non-crazy Protestants>Catholic>crazy Protestants
>>75577205
Thanks my man.
>>75568545
I thought sins were only to be confessed to God? Is there any scriptural basis for confession? Even so, I'm pretty sure it doesn't say anything about priests being able to give you something to do so you are "forgiven". True Repentance to our Lord Jesus Christ is the only thing which necessitates forgiveness.
>>75576829
also, see here:
>>75576942
if what Catholics say is true, and James is saying we are actually saved by our own works, and Justified before GOD by them, then you guys have a WHOPPING contraction on your hands, since Paul says the exact opposite, in no uncertain terms.
>I can quote as many verses in Scripture that refute your verse, that's not any proof for one way or another
i invite you to try, because the entire Bible is one long treatise on the worthlessness of man's works, and Salvation being worked by a God Who knew we COULDN'T do it ourselves, and so He put on human flesh and DID IT ALL FOR US. ALL He requires is you BELIEVE on Him.
do not make this complicated for others - if you want to damn yourself, go right ahead, but you have no right to lie to those seeking after Him. i repeat it: you are doing E-X-A-C-T-L-Y what the Pharisees did, and Jesus had His harshest words for them. they were the religious "priests" of their days, and the Lord Jesus was the greatest ANTI-religionist Who ever lived.
Martin Luther says:
"The epistle of St. James is an epistle full of straw, because it contains nothing evangelical.” (ref. ‘Preface to the New Testament,’ ed. Dillenberger, p. 19. – Cf. Also Jean Janssen, L’Allemagne et la Reforme. (Trans. E. Paris, Plon, 1887-1911). Vol II, Pg. 218)
>>75577016
Can confirm. Also, in which other religion do you get to have dyed egg cracking contests on easter? None. Churches and icons really are gorgeous.
Martin Luther says:
“To my mind it (the book of the Apocalypse) bears upon it no marks of an apostolic or prophetic character… Everyone may form his own judgment of this book; as for myself, I feel an aversion to it, and to me this is sufficient reason for rejecting it.” (ref. ammtliche Werke, 63, pp. 169-170, ‘The Facts About Luther,’ O’Hare, TAN Books, 1987, p. 203).
>>75577437
19 On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jewish leaders, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!” 20 After he said this, he showed them his hands and side. The disciples were overjoyed when they saw the Lord.
21 Again Jesus said, “Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you.” 22 And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.”
John 20:19-23
Luther the Liar says:
“What harm could it do if a man told a good lusty lie in a worthy cause and for the sake of the Christian Churches?” (ref. Lenz: Briefwechsel, Vol. 1. Pg. 373).
“To lie in a case of necessity or for convenience or in excuse – such lying would not be against God; He was ready to take such lies on Himself” (ref. Lenz: Briefwechsel, Vol. 1. Pg. 375).
>>75576725
Unlike Catholics, most Protestants actually don't worship a man. I know it must sound crazy to you that most don't think that Luther was infallible or even right on almost anything. But hey, that's why you're in a Church that worships men more than God and obviously you belong there, if you think that stupid quotes by Luther mean anything at all to almost any Protestant.
Now if you were to look what various pope's have said and done throughout the ages, you might reconsider looking at them as God's representative on earth or their word as infallible.
>>75577443
we are not saved by works. We are save by faith and works. Big difference.
>i invite you to try
http://www.catholic.com/magazine/articles/justification-sola-fide
>>75577338
>yes, those are protestants who think they only need to call on Jesus, and not do his will, to be saved. That is you anon
it's hard to believe you had the nerve to say that. it's obvious you haven't read the Bible, at all. the verses state:
>21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
now - note He says, "but the ones who do My Father's Will"
so... WHAT is the Will of the Father??
turn over to John, chapter 6:
>9 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. 40 For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.”
CASE. CLOSED.
and you would have a hell of a lot of nerve to argue to Jesus that He should allow you entrance into Heaven because of the good works YOU did - but that is what He is claiming they are saying in the Matthew verse, and this is PRECISELY what Catholics actually believe!!!
>wanting to convert to Christianity just to appease /pol/ and be a le epic crusader
Just sad
Martin --the Bourgeois Patrician-- Luther says:
“Peasants are no better than straw. They will not hear the word and they are without sense; therefore they must be compelled to hear the crack of the whip and the whiz of bullets and it is only what they deserve.” (ref. Erlangen Vol 24, Pg. 294).
“To kill a peasant is not murder; it is helping to extinguish the conflagration. Let there be no half measures! Crush them! Cut their throats! Transfix them. Leave no stone unturned! To kill a peasant is to destroy a mad dog!” – “If they say that I am very hard and merciless, mercy be damned. Let whoever can stab, strangle, and kill them like mad dogs” (ref. Erlangen Vol 24, Pg. 294).
“Like the drivers of donkeys, who have to belabor the donkeys incessantly with rods and whips, or they will not obey, so must the ruler do with the people; they must drive, beat throttle, hang, burn, behead and torture, so as to make themselves feared and to keep the people in check.” (ref. Erlangen Vol 15, Pg. 276).
>>75564990
is Lutheran,evangelical,orthodox all quite the same?
>>75577583
Also only on the orthodox side you can hear such music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJODxvgkfE0
>>75577874
>"but the ones who do My Father's Will"
exactly. You are the ones who think are saved even though you rape and pillage, just by having faith.
>WHAT is the Will of the Father??
To be part of the Church founded by Jesus in Matthew 16:18 and follow the Magisterium through which he gives sound doctrine.
>For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.”
Believe = obey.
There is no obedience without action. There is no belief without action. Faith without works is dead.
>you would have a hell of a lot of nerve to argue to Jesus that He should allow you entrance into Heaven because of the good works
He allows us into Heaven because our works reflect our faith. Without works you have no faith. You can tell yourself you have faith as much as you want, but if you keep masturbating to traps and hating on your neighbour, and not being part of the Church Jesus founded on earth then you materially have no faith.
Russian Orthodox is best.
>>75577812
Protestants worship their own opinions and feels; your own internal monologue.
Protestants deify themselves; everybody knows this, and are rightfully disgusted with you sickos. This is why your false-creed, your idolatrous heresy, is dying.
Christ is immortal and so is His Church.
>>75578395
Its an Erastian heresy that lets the Church get cucked by the state -- a literal cuck creed.
>>75577874
http://www.protestanterrors.com/#10
>>75572004
This right here is all you need.
Since we're on the subject of works vs faith, it's made clear that we're saved through Christ's actions alone. Our works without His sacrifice are as dirty rags.
After salvation, our good works are like the fruit on a tree. Just the same as the words we speak originate in our hearts. Faith is the tree itself. You can't have the fruit without the tree. You naturally do good works the more you live in the spirit.
>>75577437
I do not even know if there is a G*d.
If so, He hides well. Or a different from YHWH. Maybe a malevolent one.
>>75578528
> These are my opinions, treat them as the word of god, and worship me.
>>75578358
Since you showed some interest, here is the pic of the image, before I leave. Very modest. In the "paso" he carry that cross.
See ya bro.
>>75563144
I would say non-denominational . I don't think God cares about one sect more than another . He's probably more concerned with you being a decent and moral person than anything else.
>>75578358
>exactly. You are the ones who think are saved even though you rape and pillage, just by having faith.
are you replying to the right post? i'm not a Catholic. raping and pillaging is nothing i ever did.
but yes - just by having faith, one is Justified before God.
>4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
>5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
>6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
>7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
>8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
>9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
>WHAT is the Will of the Father??
>To be part of the Church founded by Jesus in Matthew 16:18 and follow the Magisterium through which he gives sound doctrine.
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!
find me THAT verse in Scripture!
no, the REAL Will of the Father is spoken of quite plainly in John, chapter 6:
>39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
>40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
How many people today would be so hostile to Christianity if it weren't for Protestant heretics sickening everybody with their corrupt fruit?
>>75578810
saved.
God bless you brother
>>75566000
FUCK YEAH G.K. CHESTERTON, BEST AUTHOR
Does anybody know if there are any Protestant denominations that don't love jews and Israel?
I guess what I mean is, until the Vatican 2 revolution, the Catholic church still taught the Jews killed Jesus. Any mainstream Protestant churches ever teach that? I'm wondering if they were cucked from the beginning.
>>75563144
what made you to convert?
you know it is not easy to be a serious Christian?
it is sexually oppressive as hell but you look like an adult so it may be easier
>>75563144
10 Reasons to Reject the Protestant Reformation:
http://shamelesspopery.com/reason-1-to-reject-the-reformation-the-canon-of-scripture/
http://shamelesspopery.com/reason-2-to-reject-the-reformation-scriptural-interpretation/
http://shamelesspopery.com/reason-3-to-reject-the-reformation-the-visible-church/
http://shamelesspopery.com/reason-4-to-reject-the-reformation-ecumenical-councils/
http://shamelesspopery.com/reason-5-to-reject-the-reformation-the-church-fathers/
http://shamelesspopery.com/reason-6-to-reject-the-reformation-patristic-scriptural-exegesis/
http://shamelesspopery.com/reason-7-to-reject-the-reformation-history/
http://shamelesspopery.com/reason-8-to-reject-the-reformation-heterodoxy/
http://shamelesspopery.com/reason-9-to-reject-the-reformation-logical-fallacies/
http://shamelesspopery.com/reason-10-to-reject-the-reformation-the-grand-finale/
>>75578515
well, gee whiz, you really got me there.
I just posted Scriptures from the Bible.
but YOU have a fancy Papist website coded in HTML2
>>75574459
>No, Orthodox is 1054. They were kicked out the Church for being constant heretics, it was Iconoclasm one week then head of State worship the next. Shameful.
No you fucking retard , the schism happened cause Christianity lost , Jerusalem , Antioch and Alexandria while Rome did nothing.
It's cause the pope's wore bought by Islamic warlords , and the Bishops in Constantinopole had enough of it. They've split from Rome cause they knew they wore next and started militarizing.
In 1054 , when they split up, the retard in Rome taught he was at safe harbor cause the Muslim warlords promised him that they will never cross the Mediterranean. It was not till 1070 something when the Muslims crossed the mediteranian and attacked Corsica did the Pope's realize they fucked up badly.
20 years later they reconciled with Constantinopople and Deus Vult happened.
Fuck you for not knowing the true History of Christianity.
The popes in Rome never cared about Christianity. They're the heretics since they've practiced Usury since the 3rd century , and have had their own bank since like the 7th century.
Meanwhile Orthodoxy relies on donations and state/king funding.
>>75577975
appease /pol/ appease western civilization
what ever
>>75578878
http://www.protestanterrors.com/#10
>>75579003
>Sexually repressive
Married, and have amazing sex every night with my pretty and submissive wife.
Have fun humping your pillow for the rest of your life.
>>75579086
thse "papist website" has plenty of scripture quoted. I simply sent you the link because it would be annoying to copy paste all that in a post.
>>75579003
>>
>you know it is not easy to be a serious Christian?
True.
I took my first communion last April, and it was a hell of a hard adjustment to go to church weekly and have to confess my sins. I've given up my hedonistic ways and will get married early next year. Never would have happened without the Church.
>>75578878
>find me THAT verse in Scripture!
I will do better, I will explain it to you:
Jesus referred to Simon as "kepha", which in Aramaic means "rock", it is indisputable and confirmed in John 1:42
In koine Greek, unlike Attic Greek, there is no distinction between petra (a feminine noun) and Petros (masculine ending). "Petros" is merely the masculine neologism created by Our Lord for Simon. Our Lord was making a pun. Would you have had Jesus name Peter "Petra" or "Petrina"? If Our Lord wanted to make the distinction you protestants imply, He would have used the word "lithos", which in koine Greek means "little rock" or "pebble". The conferral of "the keys" and "the binding and loosing" passages have antecedents in the Jewish Scriptures (see: Isaiah 22) for the notions of bestowing authority and judgement over the community, stewardship. See also John 21:16-17. Here is confirmed the above passages by the clear establishment of Peter as the Shepherd of the flock. A shepherd guides and corrects. Protestants have problems with submitting to human authority. It shows a lack of humility, subjectivism, and refusal to accept that Christ established a visible Church complete with governance.. So you scream "Jesus, Jesus", and then oppose His Will. It was to the Peter and the Apostles that he bestowed His authority and the guardianship of His Church, not to a Book.(John 20:22)
You can see the same name change in John 1:42 that you see in Matthew 16:17-18 just before Jesus gives Cehas/rock the keys to the kingdom of heaven, Matthew 16:19 which foreshadows Isaiah 22:22! This is the exact reason you see all the division among protestants! Satan uses your pride to convince you that each of you are right dividing you into thousands upon thousands of man made sects with conflicting doctrine! Your personal interpretations of scripture are meaningless
>>75579289
Christ, the Good Shepherd, called Peter to be the chief shepherd of His Church (John 21:15–17). He gave Peter the task of strengthening the other apostles in their faith, ensuring that they taught only what was true (Luke 22:31–32). Peter led the Church in proclaiming the gospel and making decisions (Acts 2:1– 41, 15:7–12).
Early Christian writings tell us that Peter’s successors, the bishops of Rome continued to exercise Peter’s ministry in the Church. The Pope is the successor to Peter as bishop of Rome. The world’s other bishops are successors to the apostles in general.
To the masses, Jesus spoke in parables, but to His disciples, he spoke plainly (Mark 4:11, Luke 8:10). Jesus had no qualms about identifying Himself in plain Aramaic: "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except tyhrough me" (John 14:6); "Today, this scripture (Isaiah) is fulfilled in your hearing" (Luke 4:21); "I AM" (John 18:5-8); "It is He who is speaking to you" (John 4:25-26) . So, why would He be so coy and convoluted in His speech and logic when speaking with the twelve? He Himself said "let your yes mean yes and your no, no" (Matthew 5:37) Why mention rock twice in the same sentence unless it refers to the same thing? Why rename Peter at all if it had no meaning? Who did Paul go to (Galatians 1:18)??? To Peter.
However, your opinion disregards the very form of the Church - which has perdured for almost 2000 years. The Church is Jeus' earthly, human Body (1 Corinthians 12:27), with Him in charge. When He ascended there was no bible for all believers to read and interpret for themselves.
Do you honestly think that you would have a bible today if Christ had not left someone in Charge of His Church when He ascended? He could not leave the twelve in charge, as they argued amongst themselves as to who was the greatest (Mark 9:33-34).
>>75579289
God bless your patience, anon.
>>75579098
>muh orthodoxy
nigger you know damn well Orthodox priests drive BMWs and stuff and are constantly known for gaining wealth. Just got back from E. Europe and saw it with my own two eyes.
They're far from perfect. Just sayin.
>>75563144
>Fuck Protestantism though, won't touch that with a bargepole.
you fucked up fa m, but you can begin with catholics, something is something
>>75563144
>Fuck protestantism
idgaf. Embrace Pentecostalism. Betania Fauske.
>>75572995
It was. But was also infiltrated early on by Satan minions. This is shown to be true as the church is still infiltrated by evil doers. See, corrupt priests and """""""""""Pope"""""""""" Francis.
>>75579193
So, how many children so far?
>>75579289
>>75579340
http://bookofconcord.org/treatise.php
>>75579098
>muh pope conspiracy with absolutely no evidence whatsoever
fuck off
>>75579370
God bless us all, we all need his graces.
Welcome to mental illness OP
>>75574247
Faith makes salvation possible.
We are judged by our works. This is shown to be true in Revelations and throughout the Bible.
Saved by faith, judged by works.
Faith makes salvation possible, works make it a reality.
>>75579448
Only one; recently married. Probably will end up with about 12-13 considering my virility.
That's 12-13 arrows to shoot right into the heart of heretics, liberals, and other degenerates.
>>75579512
>a treatise compiled by lutherans in 1500 overrules what Scripture plainly says
protestants totally don't follow traditions of men, amirite?
>>75579645
>better be a fag that's totally normal
