I want to learn how to speak Portuguese with a European accent, but nearly all the language-learning materials I come across are made by Brazilians. The only recording of Os Lusíadas on the internet is done by a Brazilian. It's making me want to give up Portuguese. Feels bad, chaps.
>>75551461
Duas cervejas frescas por favor.
>>75551461
>tfw the brazilian gives a solution.
go to portugal and take a course there. how expensive is it ?
t. Alberto Barbosa
>>75551461
It's similar to the difference between Latin American and Peninsular Spanish, it's not that complicated desu. The language itself is the same with small modifications.
>>75551461
Btw why would you learn it with a European accent? Brazilian accent is more beautiful desu
>>75551461
even better. i bet there are portuguese people that teach portuguese in the UK.
>>75551461
how to sound yuropean instead of brazilian:
>don't pronounce any of your fucking vowels
>make gutteral slav sounds for the letter R
congrats, now eat your salt cod and trim your mustache
>>75551666
It's just a hobby,. Going to Portugal just in order to learn the language isn't feasible, unfortunately.
>>75551749
Unless I'm mistaken, there is a much greater difference between European and Brazilian Portuguese than there is between either Latin American Spanish and Peninsular Spanish or American English and English English.
>>75551749
the accent is actually very different. and i understand why he needs portuguese material to study even some differences in graphism (dunno if thats the word) still applies.
>>75551461
Pimsleur.
>>75551666
>going to a country without already knowing their language
how rude
try to get a qt portuguese friend greatest ally
maybe interpals or wtv
shouldn't this be on /int/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Wn7RrMs9ZY
>>75551461
Come to Algarve. Its the best way.
>>75551649
Donde esta los banos ?
>that's the second question.
>>75551865
There is not much difference between European and Brazilian Portuguese apart from designations for certain things and gerund.
>>75552006
>come to Algarve
Carolina Neto
>>75551929
hue, being that polite... you should teach that to your son, america that obligated everyone to learn english. Im ok with that tho. The only people that care are the french.
>>75551649
>Duas cervejas frescas por favor.
If you want a pint you better ask for an imperial instead of cerveja
>>75551996
shit pai, thats a hot Maria!
>>75552101
Only if you are in the South.
>>75551865
You are correct. Brazilians speak brazilian portuguese. They have trouble understanding a portuguese native speaking. But they get used to it when living here for a while.
>>75552031
*unzips dick*
>>75551865
European Portuguese:
>Tu és o rei mouro.
Brazilian Portuguese:
>Você e o rei mouro.
That's one of the differences you'll find.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GrrrJWkEpM
>>75551996
>>75552266
Thanks for the advice and information, meu velho amigo.
>>75551461
A few years ago there an orthographic agreement that officially cucked the portuguese language to become more similar to brazilian-portuguese. This is one more detail that makes us the cuck-lords of Europe.
>>75551649
É dois finos cuaralho.
>>75552006
I went there. I couldn't learn anything. I was busy laughing at how men were equally as small as women and all looked like inbred arabs.
To be quite honest, you should try to contact some of the many, many brit expats living in Algarve. There's so many of them, some small villages are essentially English territory :P
If anyone can hook you up with the best learning materials, it should be them.
>>75552204
Brazilians are triggered by this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dr6fcJU_cYs
If you can't easily understand this accent you are a huehue indian.
>>75552454
I read about this. Has there been any resistance in Portugal to the change? Does anybody there still use the old system? Is there any chance of undoing the changes and returning to the old ways? I'd feel absolutely humiliated if we changed our spelling to conform to the American system.
>>75551461
Portuguese is a beautiful and complex language.
Learn a latin language; french, italian, portuguese. Whichever. This will change your perspective at life.
ps: 98% of people who talk portuguese can't understand ''Os Lusíadas''. It's very very old.
>>75552716
Yes, a lot of influent people in Portugal and Brazil are actively fighting it. It is a disgusting attack on our language meant to "unify" lusophone countries. Many people just won't use it outside of oficial documents that MS Word autocorrects.
>>75552006
>>75552517
Bought that shit (pic related) so my girl would do the dishes. I probably helped your shitty economy. You should invest in high-heels for "men". You'd make a fortune.
>>75552716
There has been some resistance but I don't think it's going away. Some people who write columns in newspapers have a note saying "Written with the old orthographic rules" and kids are being taught the new ones.
Whenever I brought it up in bars and tried to have a conversation about it I am attacked for being "against evolution" and I had to literally hear some guy screaming at me "Are you against the evolution of things?". I try to explain that language is part of a nation's identity and that it shouldn't be forced to change, instead it should naturally change over time. I don't think there is much of a chance of undoing the changes and yes it is humiliating but it's "le progressive thing to do, fuck le system, fuck le borders!!!!"
>>75552517
>>75553033
this thread had a friendly atmosphere, y u do dis
>a fucking leaf
>>75553376
Socialism, irmão.
These disgusting commie progressivists want to destroy whatever is holding this country together. In name of this "evolution" they attack the language and the education system (that was decent and has gone to shit in 2 decades).
No wonder people are ignorant enough to want muhammetans and their "religion of peace" to enrich us.
>>75553456
Grow 4 inches, shitskin.
>>75553376
>>75552991
Sounds horrible, chaps. I'm going to go out of my way to use it when I get fluent in Portuguese. Those people who call it "progress" sound like your standard leftists. All they know is how to destroy tradition and culture.
>>75551461
Why not learn Galician? Why would you want to learn bastardized Galician (portuguese)?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p85oX1cewf4
>>75554199
I doubt there's very much literature of interest written in Galician. They don't have a great poet like Camões who ranks with Dante, Virgil, Homer, and Milton, as far as I'm aware. Besides, Portugal is our oldest ally.
>>75554322
>I doubt there's very much literature of interest written in Galician
> They don't have a great poet
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosal%C3%ADa_de_Castro
I literally cry with some of her poems. But I recognize it is something you can only feel if you lived all your life in the Galician countryside.
>>75554322
Imo Pessoa is the best portuguese writer of all time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fernando_Pessoa
>>75554521
It seems that Galician does have a long and respectable literature, to judge from what I've been reading for the past few minutes. I suppose that it wouldn't be too troublesome to pick it up after learning Portuguese because of the similarities between the two. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.
>>75554521
I've been to the Galician countryside and it feels pretty much the same as the Trás-os-Montes countryside. It's absolutely beautiful.
>>75554804
This really surprised me:
>In his early years, Pessoa was influenced by major English classic poets as Shakespeare, Milton and Pope, or romantics like Shelley, Byron, Keats, Wordsworth, Coleridge and Tennyson.
And the fact that he published extensively in English. I'm not used to foreigners really caring about our literature to that extent. I'll definitely look into him.
>>75554804
10% talent, 30% devil worshiping, 60% opium.
Fucking degenerate.
>>75553894
I'm 5'9" icenigger is that too short?
>>75554946
Pessoa was also buddies with Aleister Crowley and even helped him fake his own death.
>>75554804
Really? he's been dead for 81 years. Makes me think you've either read very little, or you're just a special snowflake.
>>75552362
"Tu é o rei mouro"
Is right in br portuguese too
>>75555007
Please.
>>75555025
Yes. Women are this tall now.
It was quite funny walking around Portimão:
>Everybody, regardless of gender was the same height.
>Darker skin
Except tourists and the few passable whites left.
>Smelled fish
>Very few attractive women
>Everybody had a mustache, women included
>>75555025
Ignore the fucking leaf, who gives a crap about what he thinks. Canada has 0 historical relevance. Portuguese fishing settlements in Canada are older than Canada itself.
He has probably been in algarve a few days and thinks he knows anything about Portugal.
>>75555722
Except every single one of your historical landmark has graffitis on it. That's like having a shit-filled silver cup.
>>75555416
>Portimão
You guys always go to the shittiest parts of the iberian península and then you complain when you find nothing but shit. Its almost like if you liked shit.
>>75555416
>Smelled fish
>Very few attractive women
>Everybody had a mustache, women included
Well I can't deny, your women are the best
>>75555864
wait, are you telling me the whole of Spain isn't exactly like Salou?
>>75555972
I'd rather fuck that than oily seals smelling like rotten fish you call women.
>>75551461
Quit being a faggot and learn to speak Portuguese like a hue monkey- the Portuguese way of speaking Portuguese probably sounds like a homosexual choking on a dick. That's how it works with spanish.
>>75555416
You wouldn't have found a man in Edwardian England without a moustache either. What's your point?
They have darker skin because of the hot climate.
If the Portuguese were a Moorish race they wouldn't have made such astounding accomplishments these past 700 years.
>>75554521
>her
>unironically partaking in vaginal cultural "contributions"
>>75556364
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sappho
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypatia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Austen
>>75551929
Second for pimsleur with a dash of memrise.
>>75556232
>That's how it works with spanish
It doesn't even make sense to talk about european spanish as a whole. There are a lot "dialects" and accents.
Tell me if you have ever listened this language:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2n_RtGLXREs
>>75556489
>Jane Austen
Are you fucking serious?
Portuguese are not white
>>75556657
She was accepted as one of England's greatest writers long before the modern era, I'm talking in the 19th century. Are you aware of that?
>>75551461
just learn it with the Brazilian materials, then when you want to speak with a European accent have a retard shit in your mouth
The Portuguese are true allies of the eternal anglo
Hence why they ignored the Labour party and supported Rhodesians in the Bush war
>>75556534
Why do you guys drop your s so frequently when speaking spanish? Lots of times when I hear someone speak spanish they drop lots of s's in the middle of words. How frequent is that?
For example:
estamos viendo el partido con los ultras
becomes
e'tamo' viendo el partido con lo' ultra'
>>75557396
I dont hear that here in Galicia at all..
That video I posted is Bable (Asturian). They called it a dialect of Castillian for so many years, but I have always thought it was a language on its own. And it seems to be a common opinion among the academy now too. Its ancestor was probably the language spoken on the ancient kingdom of Leon.
>>75554322
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtYOx37bX6g
Galician sounds pretty good tho
>>75558345
This was written by the portuguese king Dom Dinis. When I hear it today, it totally sounds like galician. Doesn't sound at all like modern portuguese or spanish.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55tM6Vag2sA
>>75552695
lmao i cant stop laughing, is this a meme accent?
>>75560024
I've had a few azorean classmates. They genuinely talk like this.
>>75555344
>tu é
you fucking philistine
>>75560024
Azorean
>>75552695
i saw this on /int/ in the luso thread. shit is impossibru to understand.
>>75560270
>>75560355
How hard is it for you to understand? I guess my brazilian portuguese is obviously geting in the way
>>75555344
in spoken portuguese only. when we write it its wrong. "tu es" is the right way to do it. >>75552362
Você is a derivative from Vosmicê used in colonial brazil, and probably was normal on Portugal also on that time.
>>75560565
I understand about 40% of it. I understand spanish and galician 20x better than a deep azorean accent.
>>75551773
You forgot the "sh" sound for almost every s which isn't the first letter of a word.
>>75551461
Btw OP I was about to ask the same question on /luso/ (/int/) yesterday. European Portuguese sounds so much better to me and if I use it it'll only be in Portugal or with Portuguese people so I have no interest in learning how to speak Brazilian. I'll never get why they use você and the few differences between words triggers me way too much. There are a few videos for learning European Portuguese on youtube or some empty websites but well, not so much and they only teach you the basics. I guess watching Portuguese movies/listening to Portuguese songs/videos in general could help, but it's a fucking pain in the ass to find them.
Try to find Portuguese people to speak to.
Anyway, practising and learning Brazilian Portuguese can still give you some clues so don't hesitate to try.
>>75560565
Not hard as you'd expect
>>75561165
>I'll never get why they use você and the few differences between words triggers me way too much.
They also use tu in the south
>>75560990
desu when I talked to actual portuguese people I found out that I could understand spanish or Italian better than PT portuguese - and they were from coimbra/porto. It seems to me that somewhere in time you guys transcended language and left behind vowels and some sort of "brakes", so to speak, when talking, shit's too fast, and I say this not to disparage.
>>75561165
Perhaps Portuguese anons itt could recommend good classic films with actors whose voices are worth copying?
>>75561874
Capitão Falcão
just skip the end though
>>75562054
Trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjRqYLVld_w
