Guys, I'm getting rekt by a progressive. I feel so weak when I just can't shout "GAS THE KIKES" to win the argument. He literally thinks there's nothing wrong with what he believes. What solution is there other than violence?
Bump. What do I say? Why is progressivism bad without mentioning the Jews? What is my counter-proposal without mentioning Nazis? I just realized how dumb I am.
>>75291429
Progressive?
Let me guess anybody who isn't a full 14/88 retard is automatically a progressive
>>75292181
No, they are the complete stereotype of evil. He says he isn't a jew, but acts like one. He presents himself to be super-libertarian, human rights, EU kind of stuff.
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>>75292172
>Can't tell if honestly having an epiphany or troll
I replied
>>75292640
I'm srs. Guys.. Is everyone in this site trolling? No one believe this stuff? AM I THE ONLY ONE?
>>75291429
>What solution is there other than violence?
Just admit he won. He already won, when you have to cry to momy to spoon-feed you arguments.
>>75293831
Do you have an argument? For future reference.
>>75293920
There is no one-size-fits-all, catch-all "argument" that will silence all opposition.
>>75293920
Do you have a specific point you want to argue?
>>75293920
1 rare pepe per sentence is the standand fee,
now whats the argument supposed to be against?
>>75291429
nypa, askGermany for help
so this is the average national socialist /pol/ is fucking pathetic
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>>75294317
Τhis guy supports the whole liberal apparatus, all the cuck EU politicians, all gay rights policies, everything progressive. He isn't shy of anything. He loves Jews ( I think he must be one) and is basically a sterotype. He started out as a communist turned libertarian. Supports capitalism and human rights-based democracy, I think he is more the Hillary type than Bernie. He likes low taxes and a free society.
You spend too much time defending your beliefs. Anti-Jew and Pro-Nazi sentiment (no matter how true they may be) will be constantly attack and impossible to fully protect.
Attack him instead. What is progress? Who decides that fact? Why is progress always good? Isn't all progress done in the same direction, to the final end of death? Is progress to a man 50 years ago the same as a man today? Show to him that his position is one of a feel-good ideology, without any forethought or sustainability to it.
>>75291429
if you dont know enough about something to win an argument about it, you know nothing about it.
given the pics, im amusing you are arguing NS/Nazism or just general fascism, if you are just spewing shit you read on /pol/, you deserve to be raped by a faggot liberal on live TV then chained up with a sign that reads "all fags welcome in my ass"
>>75294595
But that's the point, he says if more people feel better nowadays than before why should they care about anything? If women are better off being feminists and men like being cucks, what's the big deal with 'traditional' gender roles? If a multi-national union makes you more money, why should you care about nationalism?
>I feel so weak when I realize I'm an ineffectual retard who doesn't know anything
You'd be able to afford education if you payed debts first
>>75292933
/pol/ is just a satire version of Sheeky Forums
>>75291429
>Arguing with someone on the internet
First mistake
>Thinking nazism will work being advocated for in the modern era
Second
Most of us are traditionalists or nationalists, there are a smaller section that are monarchists, such as myself.
Just argue for a nationalist and conservative point, ignore jews or whatever cause you can come up with, research racialism and the alt-right, study economics and find which one you like the most.
There is nothing wrong with Progressivism.
Progressivism is bad because it degrades the morals of a nation.
Research traditionalism, learn the value of the family unit, learn the evils of transgenderism, progressivism and whatnot.
>>75294593
>communist turned libertarian
You seriously sound like you're trolling.
>>75295139
>Progressivism is bad because it degrades the morals of a nation.
>>75291429
If that's what you feel you need to do to win the argument, you should probably consider the possibility that you are even more retarded than he is, good sir.
>>75294593
Don't be so mad. We live in a free world, each of us is entitled to be a retard. If you want weapons against these retarded arguments you should start reading books (the real ones, not hitler dindunuffin by unknown author #325).
now, now.. do you have some concrete argument you want to destroy? Or you just cant handle that someone belongs to diffetent political tribe?
>>75291429
Remember his arguments and supporting points and brush up on rebuttals of them.
Also research the main reasons he holds those beliefs and dismantle them.
Progressivism is largely based on feelings, so use sound logic and his arguments will shatter.
With that said I've met a lot of progressives that are drones and simply deny deny deny.
>>75291429
What are you even having a discussion about faggot?
The EU? """ White genocide """ ? Nazis were the good guys? Or is it da joos?
>>75294886
Theres more to the world than the people today. What sort of world will be left behind by progressive libertarians who whore out the world for money they cant use once they die.
>>75295303
Oh look, a degenerate weakling. Can't even Will to Power cause you care more about much dick than your Race.
>>75295303
Let's practice on this guy.
>>75295139
He would say that morals is subjective. "It's just your feels, man". "I mean look at all the wealth being produced, do you want to end up like some conservative shithole like Poland or Russia?"
>>75291429
Maybe you should start shouting "PAY DENBTS", feta nigger.
>>75293920
It waz da joos!
>>75295647
>Theres more to the world than the people today.
That's pretty difficult to defend, generally. And they could still argue that the world they leave behind is "better".
>>75295699
>implications everywhere
>>>/loo/
>>75295749
There is nothing to practice, actually.
What that potatonigger said is completely wrong, no nation has a "moral code" to follow, since no nation is 100% atheist and untainted by religion, and you can't be completely atheist while also being moral, this is a fact, as common sense is deeply rooted in religions, either you like it or not, unless of course you're eager to gargle up Marxism or Anarchism, which are even worse.
Nations follow the morals of religions and their code of conduct, that's how it works in the 21th century.
Progressivism is not bad nor good, it is just a bland utopian idea who spawned from the corpse of God, which is dead, as we killed it.
>how do we fight it
You don't.
It's a festering tumor that will die by itself as soon as the masses of enabling idiots will eventually run out, as they are forcefully digging up their own graves by introducing an antagonist of their whole ideology.
Basically, they're shooting themselves.
>>75295749
Then tell him, "If morals are subjective, what is objectively wrong with rape and murder, what is wrong with crusade and conservatism? Of course you find them wrong, but if it is your opinion unless you want uncontrolled anarchy you have no right to stop it."
Also give up national socialism.
>>75296250
That's better than nothing. But aren't they taking it us down with them?
>>75295749
>Calls Poland and Russia a conservative shithole
At least their women aren't being raped by foreigners with 90% of the men being weak spineless degenerate fags like your shit multicultural liberal shithole you Grecian retard.
>>75296363
I think he'd say that morals should be based on welfare or individualism or something, so killing and raping a person infringes on those. How do you justify nationalism though?
>>75296841
That's not what I believe. Although
>India
>rape
>>75295749
So he's a postmodernist faggot?
Take that shit to its extreme, e.g. so if morals are subjective then do you support mass murderers?
Hell be like hurr durr no, in which case you reply "but you just said morals are subjective, who are you to say whether he's right or wrong".
If he tries to give a non answer press him down and watch the mental gymnastics.
Any time you debate a leftist you win by kicking them off the moral high ground because their arguments are all feels based and trash.
>>75292372
Idiotic communist. Tell him humans aren't good by nature and that's that. Debate over you win
>>75291429
How can you lose an argument to a progressive. Their entire ideology is based on an egalitarian lie. Just prove to them that races are different and that blacks and other minorities fail because they have lower iqs and their house of cards comes crashing down. They likely won't accept your argument because they are brainwashed zombies, but anyone watching will know you won.
>>75296918
"But you just said morals are subjective, either they are or they are not, pick one."
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>>75296918
(YOU)
SOUND LIKE A FAGGOT ANON.
>>75297333
Ιt's like talking to a communist, but he supports the free market.
>>75296926
I think he accepts the morals of equality, individualism and human welfare. Like, mass murderers, infringe on the right to live, so he wouldn't accept them. But a nation, or a race, or anything else, isn't necessary for his beliefs.
>>75296918
What the Kiwi said.
Nationalism does not need justification, it exists only to serve the nation and its people.
>>75297656
They never said subjective. I said it, concerning /pol/ morals. He finds those subjective. He finds his own morals solid.
>>75294593
he should have what he wants
honestly, at this point Yurop should be just divided peacefully
they can try out their way, we can have it our way
they can accept all the immigrants to their countries, we can tell everyone to fuck off
after a century we can compare results
>>75294593
The more I think about this the less I believe we can help you.
Feeding you a few lines isn't going to win you any arguments if you can't deal with the come backs yourself.
The only real way to deal with these situations is to convince them you share a broader world view but need to correct them on a few points. Unless you are debating in front of other people victory is not feeling you destroyed his argument with logic but convincing him of the logic of your argument.
If you've already revealed your power level you're fucked before you start.
Here are few points you would have come up with yourself if you weren't a struggling untermensch.
>Jews are evil oppressors look at how they treat those poor Palestinians.
>Germany might seem like your helpful friend lending Greece the cash you need but do they really want a fair democratic union or a German led empire of indebted vassal states?
>Capitalism is great for most people but what about the vulnerable and the sick?
I wouldn't bother arguing against human rights or democracy, you'll just sound like an idiot.
You don't turn people to your side by telling them they should be sent to gas chamber or denied a vote.
>>75297746
You're missing the point, does he believe morals are subjective or not, you need to force him off his chair into admitting that morals are blatantly objective (everyone agrees a serial killer is a bad guy) or else he has no right to call anyone out on their beliefs.
After he admits that basic morals are not subjective you need to question the fuck out of him on what he really believes, e.g. so who decides what is moral, when he says the state or the community, you say so then what if the community decided serial killing and rape was moral? Does that mean those things are now acceptable?
Postmodernism is laughably easy to push around because they don't actually believe in anything.
>>75298004
morals ARE subjective per definitionem, because you as a subject determines what you find moral and what not
physical laws are objective, because they are always the attributes of an object, a thing separate from the subject of the observation
you don't determine what rules apply to a falling stone, it's determined by the object itself and you have to play along those rules
but the nomos, it's all in your mind palace
you greeks invented this separation of the nomos and physikos in the first place
>>75298079
Oh, they won't let you. He lets out enough to understand that he wants the whole the world to be a neo-liberal utopia (dystopia). It's like a liberal version of George W. Bush.
>>75298083
Okay, my argument with them is actually over, and it didn't go that bad.
I didn't sperg out, I'm just being tough on myself.
I think we all should.
Now:
>Jews are evil oppressors look at how they treat those poor Palestinians.
Palestinians are terrorists throwing rockets. Israel is protecting itself. Don't you wanna protect your country, anon? Israel gives them money but their Imam takes it away (kinda true). etc.
>>Germany might seem like your helpful friend lending Greece the cash you need but do they really want a fair democratic union or a German led empire of indebted vassal states?
Would you rather be a vassal state or a failed state? There's no way out of the international markets. You'll starve alone, Turkey will invade you, no one will care. You're too small.
>>Capitalism is great for most people but what about the vulnerable and the sick?
Capitalism has pulled more people out of poverty etc.
>I wouldn't bother arguing against human rights or democracy, you'll just sound like an idiot.
I actually find those easy to defend, but unless you can back it up with "Bazinga! Here's the oven!" there's not even a point in saying it.
>>75298427
This. Usually huge pushover type people too. It's the doormat belief.
>>75298427
I don't think the serial killer agrees. And I don't think you understand what objective and subjective actually means.
Subjective morality doesn't mean you can do whatever you want or that society as a whole can come up with anything or even that you can freely determine what you'll find moral or amoral.
It just means that it's tied to the logical subject, not the logical object. It has nothing to do with degeneracy or free will or anything.
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>>75298445
His position: Morals are subjective and he decided that the only morals suitable for him and the world in general are those pertaining to personal rights and the free market. He also would allow himself the moral capacity to enforce those, which is a paradox, but if he achieves it through propaganda and indoctrination, it's cool then. The people "chose" it. Don't you see?
>>75291429
Subtle trolling. 7/10
>>75291429
the eternal jew documentary, very good, pretty much the same today.
>>75292372
>libertarian
>humanitarian
>EU
These 3 things are not linked in any way. I guess you could make an argument that libertarians are more humanitarian but what the fuck are you on about Anon you are making zero sense.
>>75298608
well then he's a violent fanatic. Why would you want to reason with a violent fanatic?
Just point out that you disagree and question his ability to win a fight against you and the people who think like you. People, who think a global war against the peaceful people, who just want to be left alone is progressive are mostly just windbags and the rest are rabid fanatics, who can't be convinced by anything minus a bullet in the head.
In these times we can be actually grateful for the jews who stole the nuclear secrets of the US of A and gave it to their soviet comrades, since the West became more aggressively degenerate than the East.
>>75299053
How are they incompatible? Libertarian here has not-so-subtle liberal references. It's basically a liberal in the U.S. What we call liberals here, are basically socialists. The difference between Shillary and Bernie kinda. The right-wing libertarian hardly exists.
>>75291429
>Guys, I'm getting rekt by a progressive.
Is such a thing even possible?
>>75299201
I know, he is very dangerous, it's like I'm speaking with Soros. I don't wanna reason with him, just prove him wrong.
>>75298757
Subjective is your inner opinion, objective is external observation without your personal bias, that's how I've always known these definitions and the dictionary agrees with me.
>>75292172
If you want to look like a completely retarded idiot who bases his political view on memes from a far right messageboard then mention the jews as cause for all evil in the world or find a better view that suits you so that you can actually argue for you beliefs instead of asking us to it for you. Thinking the jews rule the world is literally what they want you to think you fucking goy.
>>75299371
Your country is pretty cool and doesn't have many Jews.. Hmm.
>>75291429
progressivism is a sign of advanced capitalism, tell him communism is around the corner.
>>75291429
This is why underage kids should stay in /b/ and worry about politics when they grow up a bit. Your posts show a total lack of ideas and you sheeply follow an ideology without having any of your own thoughts behind it. It's like you fell for a fucking meme and i can't even dare to believe that this is a grown ass man.
>>75299528
Oh, I know the jew meme brother, I know it, I know that there are so many coincidal cases of international jewry but the public is not ready for it to be used in argument, unless you don´t care about losing friends and familiy and generally the chance of fucking a girl again.
THEY ARE NOT READY.
Argue for the value and virtue of traditional marriage, the natural two genders, conservatism as a way of preserving what we know is compatiable with our cultural lives.
What is the end game of progressives? that there are 6000+ genders? a complete socially constructed reality without the inherent truth of nature? trust me i know this stuff, i fucking live in it man. My reality is based on one that I can mold.
Start reading, start running and then read some more. If you want to include the jew argument as part of your politcal argument, then you better start practicing managing meaning.
t. PR specialst
>>75298812
>implying we have anything but these bait threads these days
this is still better than another
>ROMANians WUZ ROMANS N SHIET
thread
>>75299311
you can't prove someone wrong, who rejects your premises and the facts you'd offer
everyone can see gypsies and niggers, how they behave, what they are
if someone still claims that he likes them, he's either lying or he's self-harmingly mentally ill
either way, it's no place for debate
the notion that there could be a "civil debate" between people, who just WANT different things is in itself a false old-liberal meme
violence, or at least physicality, a real outcome will always be the final answer, because you can't wish away reality
people could argue all day against marxism-leninism and the devoted didn't care
when they would actually have to build a country based on marxist-leninist principles they always failed and most of them had to acknowledge that "scientific socialism" was in fact a false messiah and things don't work like how they imagined they will
same thing with pseudoscientific nonsenses, people can believe this or that will cure cancer
then they die
and everyone can see that they were wrong
make them live in their utopia and they will perish, and then everyone can see that their ideas were wrong
>>75291429
Explain he is a r selected person, and is biologically incapable to reason with you.
You are K selected, and biologically incapable to reason with him.
This is what it boils down to.
>>75291429
If you can't come up with a way to refute him except with violence, then he already won the argument and you're a retard, not to mention the fact that you go on /pol/ and ask people to come up with arguments for you since you're too dumb to do it yourself. Maybe you should just give up on rhetoric and your entire ideology since you can't even defend it.
>>75300149
Thanks, really appreciated.
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>>75292172
Solution: pay denbts.
>>75300346
That's more true than I want to admit.
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>>75300377
He's right tho. Hitler enslaved the German people by borrowing money instead of issuing their own money.
>>75300845
OK.
>>75298608
>Palestinians are terrorists
You shame our people calling them that.
They are a brave freedom fighters struggling against an invading force.
Just like we resisted the Nazis.
>There's no way out of the international markets.
The EU isn't the only international market. Better to improve relations with Turkey than have to run to Germany for protection.
Turks will buy more Greek products than Germans ever will.
>Capitalism has pulled more people out of poverty etc.
And it always leaves a few behind. It isn't a magic fix that makes everyone wealthy, it relies on inequality. The poorest of the poor suffer the most so that the rest of the poor can have an iphone.
Is that what you want beggars on the streets so the masses can have their toys?
Shameful selfishness.
>I actually find those easy to defend
You're lucky, but it depends what sort of freedom he's arguing for.
Easier the deal with someone your wants the freedom to fuck kids, than someone who only wants the right to life.
Limited freedom is very hard to argue against as submission to some form of law is the core of what defines civilisations of almost all political forms.
Its hard to know which are the best tactics without knowing the individual.
He might be a genuinely selfish cunt, in which case appealing to a sense of shame about it probably wont help.
But given his past communist leanings it sounds like he wants everyone to have a nice life but realised communism never delivers.
>>75300266
>you can't prove someone wrong, who rejects your premises and the facts you'd offer
exactly
You need premises that are agreeable, pick facts that wont be rejected out of hand, and have arguments that lead logically to the conclusions you want.
Much easy said than done but if you can convince him that you both want the same outcome "free prosperous Greek people" you are half way getting him to agree that what you want is what he wants.
