>Capitalism is destructive and evil!
How do you respond?
I probably just ignore and move on to something more interesting to talk about.
turn 360 degrees and walk away
"What is capitalism? Fuck off with your spooks." (Egoist anarchist here btw)
>>75271581
Capitalism is the worst economic system on earth, except for all the rest of them.
NOT AN ARGUMENT
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So was Socialism, but it was worse.
>>75271581
Because it evolves into what we have today. Communism is even worse and anarchy doesn't last. Invent a better system, faggot.
>>75271581
"define capitalism"
>>75271581
give him a lollipop
then proceed to explain to him the necessity of to to keep leaches from leaching
>>75271581
Move to north korea faggot jew hippie.
>>75271661
but doesn't that mean you'll be facing the same direction?
>>75271661
>turn 360 degrees
>walk away
that's not how it works, idiot.
>>75271581
'Compared to what?'
>>75272015
It's a meme, you dip.
>>75271990
>>75272015
Just blew in front reddit, huh?
>>75271581
>>75272091
what? I was just correcting him, that's all.
when you see something wrong you fix it.
>>75271581
Guess I'm a #KasichKommando now.
https://youtu.be/lZXNuqje_es
>>75271948
Capitalism is found by Jews..
>>75271876
Communism is also found by Capitalists.
it is destructive. creatively and iteratively. that's why it works
evil doesn't mean anything wah wah life is hard
>>75271990
>>75272015
How do we solve the Reddit migrant crisis /pol/?
>>75271581
Capitalism crafted those glasses you use to see. Capitalism crafted those clothes you wear to stay warm.
Capitalism crafting that toothpast you used to keep your teeth from rotting out.
Now fuck off to Argentina if you dont like it.
>>75273161
Do you suppose they know about jenkem?
>>75272844
Oy vey! Don't tell them that.
I'm a National Socialist not a Shekelberg capitalist.
>>75272844
So if the goal of social is communism
And capitalism is for jews
and capitalists also want communism
then what are we left with
>>75273371
No productive workers did.
>>75271876
National Socialism is the nemesis of Globalism, Communism and Capitalism. The only true system to support the worker, and the greatest economic recovery in the history of the world in the shortest time imaginable were National Socialism. That is why the entire Capitalist and Communist world combined to destroy National Socialism. The only real enemy of International Jewry. Is it any wonder they discredit it at every opportunity?
International Jewry feared this example of what a free people could do once the shackles of Jewish Debt Slavery were removed.
>>75271581
At least capitalism doesn't require you to believe in it to work.
>>75271581
i'll kick your ass, you liberal faggot!
>>75271581
Capitalism made it possible for you to get your stupid ass decree in expensive school and shout your retarded views.
In communist country you couldn't even think against government.
>>75271990
>Turning your back to a commie
Are you insane?
>>75273761
...as part of a capitalist system, yes. The workers make the product, the company sells the product to make money, and uses the money to pay the workers.
>>75273371
Capitalism also destroyed the family. Capitalism also imports millions of niggers to our homelands
>>75273679
Large companies flourished under the third Reich. The unions were completely destroyed
>>75274008
>In communist country you couldn't even think against government.
There is no gov in a communist society.
>>75274301
If there's no government, how is Communism different from Anarchy?
>>75273371
>Capitalism crafting that toothpast you used to keep your teeth from rotting out.
I love capitalism.
>>75271581
I can't hear you over the sound of my private helicopter
>>75271581
Capitalism is a tool that works if you control it.
Whether it's you personally or the citizenry of a democracy, it can be made to largely do the things you want.
If it sucks for you, I guess you need to alter the rules until the excesses and abuse are gone and just reasonable business remains.
Agreed, it has detroyed the world of tradition, ushering in an age of nihilism, materialism, and existential crisis in the west.
We must return to the world of the first estate by establishing a dyarchy to emerge from the kali yuga.
>>75273785
>natsoc meme
Pleb
>>75274382
Communist is anarchy you dumb fuck. God, americans are dumb as bricks
>>75274244
The third reich was bankrupt and ultimately only kept afloat by plundering and enslaving people (also 'cause too stupid to put women into the workforce and doing useless costly shit everywhere and all that).
Do not let idiot painters and their aggressive peasant retard friends govern a country. You'll get war and lots of fail.
>>75274743
Then why do they have two different names?
>>75271581
"I sure hope you're not using a smartphone."
>>75274752
>The third reich was bankrupt and ultimately only kept afloat by plundering and enslaving people
I know. They ran a deficit alsmost as large as ir's revenues due to rearmament. If not for Schact measures, 3rd Reich would be bankrupt before 1935.
They also forget what they did in Greece after the conquest.
Viking nigger genes still run strong in them
>>75274963
Anarchy is a wide set of ideologies that tell that there is no need for a central authority, and rely on free will and personal power. Communism is one of those.
>>75275010
>Your town is filled with worthless niggers and arabs
>but you MAY have a smartphone so shut the fuck up
>>75271581
call him a cuck
>>75275312
Does Capitalism also count as Anarchy by your definition?
>>75274743
ah, the "communism has never been tried before!" meme.
well, thanks for showing up, so i have someone else to filter. not because i don't want to be exposed to different view points, like SJWs, but because there's nothing stimulating about reading the opinions of someone purposely attempting to misinform you. i'd much rather hear you speak about how great the USSR really was, and about how the holodomor is the real holohoax. i could actually believe that you think the USSR was great, but it's impossible to suspend disbelief if someone implies that communism has never been tried
>>75274743
>Communist is anarchy
Yeah in theory. What actually happens is that the government owns all of your shit and everyone else is poor.
>>75271581
>Perhaps pure capitalism may have long term consequences, as this distilled version we currently consent to will, but overall it's the method by which the greatest civilizations the world has known have risen to power, whereas all other means have resulted in weaker nations or collapsed countries, as well as a host of other problems unique to each situation that don't arise in such degrees as with capitalism.
>>75275444
No, because capitalism doesn't deal with society. It can exist in a democracy, in a authoritarian state, and arguably in a anarchic society.
It's not "mine" definition. Go google it.
>>75275465
>ah, the "communism has never been tried before!" meme.
It objectivily never was. Israel Kibbutz was something near.
>>75275465
>Yeah in theory.
Of course. Communism is theoretical and was never meant to be passed on to real life. Communism is a thought exercise by Marx. And Marx didn't spend too much time on it.
>What actually happens is that the government owns all of your shit and everyone else is poor.
It cannot be called communism, because there is a gov. It's as simple as that. You don't acll a system without private property caoitalism, don't you?
>Capitalism is destructive and evil!
>Get his new phone out and film me
no it isn't
capitalism is about cooperation
and you are free to opt out. go be a subsistence farmer if you don't like buying and selling things
I'M A CAPITALIST
>>75271581
Laugh and say with my most disgusted face:
>Are you kidding me?
>>75276095
>capitalism is about cooperation
No, capitalism is about accumulation of capital, private property, wage pay and operation for profit. How to achieve it (either by cooperation or competetiveness) is other talk
>>75274743
>>75275541
Actually, the *idea* was basically even democracy. If the soviets -local town/city councils- would have actually been the "highest" instance, you'd have seen something far more like a republic. Maybe one that had difficulty to act, but it would have been quite democratic.
But radical revolutions with a shitty plan like that one had have a tendency to install tyrant dictators, especially if they're so radical that you even feel the need to eliminate close allies (social democrats, democratic socialists, the nobility that was willing to change and the mensheviks, all fucked over by the bolsheviks).
Same shit also happened in other revolutions that weren't communist. Don't back purges. Don't back revolutions that don't know to take reasonable concessions.
>>75275899
Pretty sure I'd have to go read Das Kapital if I really wanted to be able to have elaborate debates about it. A friend of mine did and he thought it was a pretty decent read, but it still didn't result in discussions that were much of any more functional than the one you and I are having at the moment.
One of the reasons I'm not a big fan of isms in general. By the time people kind of agree on a definition it tends to become some impractical, nonexistent version of reality.
>>75271661
>turn 360 degrees and walk away
Britbongistani education, everyone?
>>75276095
>go be a subsistence farmer if you don't like buying and selling things
And who pays the land taxes?
>>75272015
>newfags cant into memeing
Fucking faggots. Used to be so goddamn relaxed and casual until leddit migrants try to fit in and fail. You'd have had a hard fucking time when older memes from years back like Candlejack were more pre
>>75273740
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National Socialism.
>>75271581
just exterminate all poor and you are good to go!
>>75274963
Why do "shit" and "poop" have different names.
Oh wait, why do "shit", "poop", "communism", and "anarchism" have different names?
>>75276321
tHE IDEAS BEHIND sOVIET uNION WERE NOBLE AND GOOD, but the result was not good.
>>75276349
>One of the reasons I'm not a big fan of isms in general.
Me too. I have major suspicions of any anarchic syystem. I am still a capitalist.
>>75274188
>Capitalism also destroyed the family
The success of capitalism is largely dependent upon members of society wanting to pass wealth down to their children. The assassination of the family unit was 100% due to socialist programs. You have no one other than big daddy government to thank for that.
>>75271581
i agree
seig heil
>>75276472
Don't get internet, a mail box, water, and go live ij the middle of nowhere. America is huge, i'm sure there are some good lands i wich the gov will not bother you
>>75276634
Bernie is a capitalist, you stupid fuck
>>75273161
>>75272074
>>75272091
>redditors think they're clever
it's a counter-meme, dumb fucks
crapitalists have blood on their hands
>>75271581
Is that a new iPhone?
>>75276749
Forgot link.
https://youtu.be/rEw6Pz1vtO4
>>75276873
It was a counter-counter meme, you filthy redditor
>>75276749
So explain how our family system is so healthy in our capitalism systems?
Welfare is capitalism. There is no welfare in socialism. You either work, or you die.
>>75276508
>le 360 degrees
>doesn't that mean you face them? XD
>redditor!
Every fucking time. Stop wearing this shit out.
>>75271661
HAHA! LE MAY MAY!
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>MAY MAY
8^) XDXD 8^)
>>75271581
>Explain.
>>75271581
elaborate you fuck.
>>75271661
see pic related
>>75276693
>tHE IDEAS BEHIND sOVIET uNION WERE NOBLE AND GOOD
road to hell is paved with good intentions, every time
>>75277403
Our countries are flooded with niggers and arabs
>>75277253
>you either work, or you die
that's objectively false though, healthcare and food are considered human rights in socialist states.
A socialist state wouldn't let a citizen starve, in theory at least
>>75277345
Cry more.
>>75271990
>>75272015
>>75276431
>>75277363
>>75277526
Christ on a bike, is it the summer holidays already? Fuck out of here leddit
>>75271581
I agree, because the base of Capitalism is the exploration of other people work for profit.
>>75271581
i walk away from his dumpster and go about my day.
>>75277544
under socialist policies.
>>75277569
> healthcare and food are considered human rights in socialist states.
*In capitalist countries
Socialism im plies the workers owning the means of production. Do you know any state like that?
>>75277667
>thinks a 9gag tier joke that was popularized on /b/ makes us "summerfags"
You're the one posting pleb jokes anon.
>>75276952
>Living in the first world is for White men a natural right but it isn't a right for the non-Whitey's
Well... I mean White people built the first world countries and all the technology, culture and behaviors that allow it to exist.
Its not like god just built America and Europe and White guys were the first ones to immigrate here and move into our nicely furnished apartments with our dell computers.
>>75277763
>socialist policies
Explain this.
>>75271581
There is only one correct answer to this; it can be destructive and evil, but it not intrinsically destructive and evil.
>>75272844
quiet refugee sea
>>75271581
>That's a statement
>Not an argument
>Go back to browsing 4chan at work
>>75271581
It is but marxism is even worse, therefore we must find a 3rd way.
>>75277846
open borders to refugees without any quality control.
![tumblr_inline_nwv4c36Cdr1r93f1o_540[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/B4Rs8oI.png "tumblr_inline_nwv4c36Cdr1r93f1o_540[1].png")
>>75277147
>mfw ironically ironically shitposting
>>75271581
Yes, it is
>>75271581
"You do realize because of capitalism that you have the modern technologies of today atop the mass produced clothing you wear now."
"Even those smart phones are a product of it"
>>75277253
>Welfare is capitalism. There is no welfare in socialism. You either work, or you die.
Welfare is statism, retard. It has nothing to do with capitalism or socialism, both systems have had welfare programs throughout history when they've had the wealth to do so. Socialism just produces far less wealth than capitalism. Nothing wrong with a poverty floor by the way, assuming you do it right and can afford it.
https://youtu.be/xtpgkX588nM
>>75277941
That church was built in medieval ages. Capitalism did not exist back then. Feudalism did
>>75273371
>feudalism made that bread you're eating
>>75277819
Nigger turn 360 degrees is as old as the 360, which has been around for much longer than 9gag
>>75278140
What the fuck does that have to do with what I said in my post? I just picked a random image in my wallpaper folder. Look, i'll do it again.
>>75271581
Yes sure it is. Because capitalism is really defined by marx and him only. And everything, that comes from marxist ideology is destructive evil.
>>75271581
Just draw attention to all the amnesties they enjoy that are the result of capitalism.
>>75278323
furfag
>>75278011
In a socialist society workers are in charge. Tell me what would happen to your country if lower middle class workers were in charge...
>>75278086
And state is absolutely necessary for capitalism. Everyone aggres with it except for a retarded sect of americans.
Welfare is a way for wealth redistribution. How do ancap deals with wealth redistribution?
>>75278055
And the niggers that steal your phone too, they are a product of capitalism
IN MY OPINION THE JEDI ARE EVIL
>>75278513
Good luck with your mental disability.
>>75278086
>debating Alberto Barbossa
he's just going to keep changing the definition of socialism until you can't argue against it
>>75276813
> le capitalism is when shelfs are full
That`s not an argument.
Capitalism is defined by marx as system of opression of proletariat. Nobody else defined it economically or ideologically.
Capitalism is bad and everyone, who embraced it, will later fall in full fledged socialism.
>>75278756
My definition is always the same. Workers owning the means of production.
>>75278890
>>75278323
Hey fuckface are you going to acknowledge that you replied to an image instead of an argument?
>>75277667
If you can't stand the may mays stand the epic le may mays stay off the chan, mate
>>75278520
>And state is absolutely necessary for capitalism.
>a system in which trade and industry are controlled outside of the state requires a state
wat
>How do ancap deals with wealth redistribution?
I dunno, you should ask one.
>>75278858
Except Adam smith in the wealth of nations, this whole site is people using their opinions as facts lol
>>75271581
Build more solar panels.
It's also prosperous and press prices of consumer goods down with healthy competition. It's like a beautiful jungle. Life is destructive and evil. How does good exist without evil? Don't just focus on the negatives on capitalism, or any system of economics.
>>75271581
"Define 'capitalism'"
If he says.anything other than the banks and the stock market, I correct him and prepare the red pill.
>>75273161
Build a great firewall around reddit. And make them pay for it.
>>75279130
>"4chan has built The Great Firewall!"
>Your nation has been defeated.
>>75278961
I have absolutely nothing to say about your post. I'm sorry for mistaking your image.
>>75279002
State is needed for wealth redistribution and as a way for acting as a mediating between workers and employers
>>75279082
"redpill me"
>>75271581
No, its not
>>75279002
Should there be no regulation? If a meat factory pumps out enough poisonous meat consumers will eventually figure out where not to buy their meat. I guess the victims of the poisonous meat are a necessary sacrifice for consumers everywhere to know where they shouldn't buy their meat?
Do we care if some companies collude and make very little competition in the marketplace, so prices no longer have downward pressures, and consumers suffer?
>>75279263
Will you acknowledge that my statement is correct?
>>75279263
Jesus fuck, it's like I'm talking to a child. Just read this. Don't worry, it has pictures.
http://freedom-school.com/money/how-an-economy-grows.pdf
>>75273785
>National Socialism is the nemesis of Globalism, Communism and Capitalism
I'd distrust anyone with a "muh nation ideology.
Not because they're evil but because in Spain at least those are the first ones to run with the money while the good goyim starve and die.
I'd rather have a group of people trained from birth to rule for the good of the people, but we can't have that either.
>>75279517
The guy did not know the pic was unrelated. Don't stick your fingers up his asshole over it.
>>75271581
>Capitalism is destructive and evil! How do you respond?
Exactly, but at the same time Communism isn't the answer, National-Socialism is!
>>75279517
Like i said, i have nothing to say about it.
>>75279539
lol. Make your point, don't link me to childre economic books. Stop making a ass out of yourself
>>75279800
national socialism is capitalism too, you dumb fuck
>>75274743
Communism requires a higher authority to enforce collectivization and is therefore most definitely not anarchy.
>>75271581
>socialism causes more poverty and evil than capitalism.
That's how you respond. Marxists hold every little thing that goes wrong in a capitalist society as an indictment on the entire system, but they never admit to the problems of socialism. They often make excuses for the abject failure of socialism with "WELL AT LEAST THEY TRIED!" or "THAT'S NOT MY FAVORITE BRAND OF SOCIALISM!"
Make them own their failure of a political system. Socialist countries ALL collapse within a few decades or begin to fall apart soon after.
Bonus points: If they try to use any Scandinavian country, point out that these are all falling apart and openly debating going back to capitalism. Also point out that it's racist to use predominantly white countries in their example while avoiding failing brown socialism like Venezuela, Argentina, Cuba etc.
The point is, don't let Marxists/socialists keep the moral superiority that they've assigned to themselves.
>>75279005
Adam Smith defined market economy. Not a word about capitalism.
>>75279481
>Should there be no regulation? If a meat factory pumps out enough poisonous meat consumers will eventually figure out where not to buy their meat. I guess the victims of the poisonous meat are a necessary sacrifice for consumers everywhere to know where they shouldn't buy their meat?
>I'm too stupid to survive without the government telling what to eat.
>>75280029
That is socialism. Communism is a theory that after centuries of socialism, the state would simply erode itself up until it was not necessary anymore. After this the society would be called communist
>>75281259
>>I'm too stupid to survive without the government telling what to eat.
Rotules only exist because of gov regulation. Studies about if x substance is good for you are always state funded
>>75271802
I find your flag disturbing
>>75271661
You mean 180°
>>75283282
>>75271876
Not an argument.
Doesn't refute a critique of capitalism.
>>75283511
no u
I don't believe is Laisezz Faire capitalism nor do I believe in full socialism so I just ignore his extremist opinions and leave.
>>75271948
>North Korea
not socialist or communist. It's ruled by Juche, which is closer to Fascism.
>>75272988
>le ebin wah wah wah baby meme
Not an argument.
So are people.
>>75278858
The argument is that when people are allowed to own things and own the fruits of their labour, they are incentivised to work harder, produce more and care for what they have better. That's the argument of that image.
On the other hand if people get the same regardless their motivation drains away, they have no reason to sweat for work other than fear and they're more likely to ruin the land they work, to damage the equipment they use, to not maintain what they have because it isn't theirs.
Just because marx defined capitalism a certain way with value judgement doesn't mean it's true.
>>75271990
>>75272015
>>75276431
>>75277363
>>75277526
>>75283282
I fucking knew it, this is cheap bait 101 you fucking goofs
>>75280447
>Marxists don't criticize themselves
Well they do, and they can be quite enthusiastic about it. Different socialist movements have literally killed each other because the authoritarian ones like the Bolsheviks repress the less authoritarian ones.
>favorite brand
And what's wrong with that? They're refuting your assertion that they're literally the same thing as Mao/Stalin/etc. Almost any historian will tell you that far leftist political movements are not at all the same. It's similar to how the US, while capitalist, isn't at all the same as Somalia or Saudi Arabia.
>racist
Based on arbitrary borders and in this case used out of context solely to make the other side look bad. Not an argument.
>>75279069
Good post
>>75271581
by stealing the commie's iphone and smashing it into the ground
