>creates humanity
>provide no evidence of his existence and creates a world with an origin story that entirely contradicts everything that can be observed in the universe
Is this a fucking joke?
People actually believe God loves them, too
>>75268008
He left evidence everywhere. You're just not knowledgeable about math and astronomy.
Read a book.
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>>75268008
6/5
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>>75268008
Wow, really makes you think.
I am now a #BernieBro
>>75268008
>>provide no evidence of his existence
People are inherently ignorant and selfish. All 3 abrahamic religions were created to exploit that. Google the definition of delusion. Religious people who genuinely believe in this shit, fit the description to a T
>>75268008
>A grown man posting on an Mongolian finger painting forum gets upset that people don't think like him and wants everyone else to know it upsets him
>>75268008
>trying to understand an all powerful being
It's like a ant trying to understand quantum physics
>>75268698
>it says so in a book so it must be true!
>I have faith!
You're retarded and religion is cancer
>>75268710
>>75268909
You're insecure and small minded. It's okay. There are enough open minded people in the population to carry your ignorant weight. Its gross that you choose to drag children into your indoctrination though.
I have this idea that if God exists he must have created humans with the sole purpose to refute God. Because why else would he create them?
Like if you're god and create anything without conforming to any laws, you could create spiritual creatures that can do anything and know everything. But he apparently created causality and humans with the cognitive ability to understand that God can't exist. But if he does exist, then he created a massive lie because there is no causality and so he basically just tricked us all for his own joy. Religious people must believe that God is nothing more than a scientist doing an experiment. Like a sick fuck Goebells testing on humans and giving them all sorts of pain. That's basically what God would be in this scenario
>>75269221
God exists as just an idea, and nothing more. Godfags who claim otherwise have the burden of proof upon them. We, on the other hand, have the definition of "idea" and "delusion". Religion is a close minded system of belief. It's downright pretentious to act as if "muh faith!" is based on fact and not imagination.
Also science is not a system of belief. Science is a method of investigation, before any religious idiots try to argue about that.
>>75268008
It's like arguing with a brick wall senpai, except that brick wall is mentally retarded in this case.
>>75268819
>some books say Darwin s theories are right so they must be true !
>i believe those theories !
you reasoning is retarded and atheism is cancer
>>75268008
>>75269606
There's evidence for evolution that we have observed. There is no evidence for God that we've observed
>>75269606
>>75269977
Go home, religion is dying in the West and nothing will stop it
Obviously you're trolling anyways so whatever
>>75269889
>There is no evidence for God that we've observed
kek. 'there is evidences the whole universe, the humans, animals and nature have been created by 'nothing'.
>>75269054
lol your question begging epithet isn't fooling anyone /r/atheism
Also stop projecting onto others
>>75270143
that is exactly the reason why Whites are going to disappear in a few years. Religions are the only cure to degeneracy you stupid faggot
>>75270213
Ah yes your all loving God that lets thousands of children starve every day and made a world with natural disasters that kill thousands. Let's not forget about the periodic mass extinction of life forms on earth too. What kind of fucked up God do you worship?
>>75270143
That's what revolutionary France said
Cult of reason
Cult of the supreme being
That's what revolutionary Mexico said
Calles law
That's what various communist governments said
League of the militant godless
Red guard
Juche
Khmer rouge
That's what you think
lol
>>75270365
Those people worship false gods. Let those 'gods' save them.
>>75270469
Millions of Christians have died to natural disasters over the last few thousand years you fucking idiot
>>75270343
>>75270454
Too bad then
It's still going to bottom out
>>75270789
And it's his will. You're foolish to question God.
>>75270943
>God gives you free will
>'But it was all his cosmic plan that you accidentally died'
>>75268008
There's no arguinf with these people OP
They choose to stay uneducated and then construct straw man arguments for the rest of their days
>>75270365
The meaning of life is to endure the difficulties, have faith in God.
Also, people dont starve because of God but because of humans.
he lets us do our actions so we can be judged by our actions.
>>75268759
This post made my day.
>>75270885
Nope, actually islam is growing in the west
>>75271307
>atheist
>being educated
>>75271582
They don't know any better
>>75271571
and people wonder why ?!
>>75268759
massive bullshit. In atheistic societies they re just considered as sexual objects.
>>75271307
>>75268008
Of course their is no evidence. Everything supernatural can not have any physical evidence by definition.
Every word of the bible is true, it just takes blind faith and unquestioning commitment.
>>75271315
Everything happens because he planned it that way though right? He planned for thousands of children to starve everyday.
>>75268008
How about you go back to 'developing' your communist,mental-illness loving shit-hole of a country?
>>75271859
Why not choose to put your blind faith in one of the other thousands of religions since we don't have evidence supporting anything? You have no way to prove your God is more real than ra the sun god
>>75271844
That is why I posted the pic
Because many feminist, sjw's, trannies, homosexuals and others crybully's liberals say they are atheist
>>75270213
shut the fuck up you primitive religous whore cunt fuck god he's a non existenct cunt fuck
>>75272064
Thats the faith part, retard
>>75268819
Observe how the atheist breaks down even further.
>>75271884
>Everything happens because he planned it that way though right?
it s almost right. People do their actions but it is the will of God.
> He planned for thousands of children to starve everyday.
People let other people die. We are here on earth to be tried and tested, to be judged on what we did. If he takes part of our lives, then we will all know he exists and we will all fear him. The fact is that he gave us free will : he lets us believe in him or not and to judge us in consequence. Is it that hard to understand ?
>>75268698
>these generations of oral and written tradition by illiterate goatfuckers are absolutely true and could in no way be false!
I'm not even bothered by people who believe in god but their reasoning is just retarded
>>75272236
NO U.
you re the reason the west is getting more and more fucked up.
>>75271315
That falls apart with omniscience. If god knows all then he knows the outcome of all actions before they are even made. God already knows who will pass and fail and had since the before he created anything. If god exists and is omniscient then he is malevolent for creating beings he knows will suffer and doing nothing to stop it. If god is not omniscient then he is not omnipotent as omnipotence allows omniscience.
>>75268008
wow... I'm a #CruzMissile now
>>75270365
>He doesn't udnerstand God and still tries to talk about God
Protip: God doesn't owe you shit.
>>75272801
It's very hard to understand. How can free will exist if god is all powerful. Free will would be a system outside of gods control implying god isn't all powerful and therefore could not have created the universe as there is an order greater than god which means god did not create the order of things. This paradox is resolved by assuming god doesn't exist.
>>75270365
Nice use of appeal to emotion fallacy
>>75272964
>Epicurus' thilemma
If you weren't 15, you'd know this is a fucking joke these days.
>>75271859
The Bible is not intended for blind faith
Read Hebrews 11
gotquestions.org/blind-faith.html
>>75273229
How the fuck does an omnipotent being disqualify free will? God can do anything, so this means he cannot give humans free will? Are you retarded?
>>75268008
Humans have no more of a capacity to know God or his will than an amoeba has of understanding Special Relativity.
>>75270213
KEK, god of memes, created the universe. This is true because the universe exists. If you don't believe KEK created it, you clearly believe everything was created by nothing you retard xdddd
>>75273457
This is a bait thread, anon
>>75271315
>Free will
>Cosmic plan
Pick one. They are literally mutually exclusive.
>>75273762
Calvinists pls go
>>75273457
What is the system that is our free will? Does god create it then ignore it? Is he not all knowing by choice?
>>75273390
Refute it then.
>>75268464
>>75268698
What books are you motherfuckers talking about ?
You mean Bible ? You know that's bullshit, right ?
It features talking snakes and says that every specie was on one boat ? It also features zombie, invisible sky fairy, a Geppeto from Pinocchio (Jonah) , a bitch who got pregnant and lied about it and goat herders from Middle East believed her, one beta cuck who accepted that bitch and lots more.
>>75273868
You have two scenarios
God has a cosmic plan when He creates the universe, *everything* that will ever be is according to this plan. Since everything you will ever do is already known by God (he is omnipotent and omniscient), it's all set in stone from the beginning.
He knows exactly what you will do, so there's no way you could do anything else; otherwise, that would mean God is wrong and NOT all knowing. You have the illusion of free will, but on a cosmic scale, it's all been decided eons ahead of time.
>>75268008
How do you know what God really did? Because the bible said so? Do you have proof jews actually listened to God when they got to writing Genesis?
>>75274344
So either he's all knowing and all mighty, and thus no free will, or he's only reaaaally powerful and knowledgeable, but not infinitely so, and you have free will.
>>75274344
My stance is that the scripture says he is sovereign and the scripture says we have free will, therefore we do. I do not know how they work together just like I do not know how the Trinity works
I do not believe God's allowance of choice negates his sovereignty
>>75272090
> there is no Allach
> Muslim breed like crazy
> there is no G*d
> whites do not breed
yet, yet, we cannot exterminate them
that would be against the 5th commandment
our society is build on that
G*d has given Moses that commandment
deal with it!
>>75273901
You're confusing all knowing with all powerful. Good job m8.
>>75274213
It's based on the fundametally misunderstood nature of God. God is not there to micromanage his flock.
>>75274418
just take a look at the world that surrounds you.
If you dont think it has a creator, i dont know how i would convince you.
>>75274266
if God wants a human to be able to talk to animals then its will. who you are exactly ?
>>75275139
All powerful encompasses all knowing. It's all the same perfect entity idea. That doesn't negate the argument either.
>>75275189
I wish I could experience the same thing as you do. But Bible itself is not enough evidence for me. Sorry.
>>75275711
m8 every abrahamic religions speak about Noah.
>>75275353
>Can do literally anything
>Can't do a thing
This is why you look like a retard. If something is all powerful and do anything conceivable, why can't it create free will?
>>75275189
But how do you know Genesis happened the way it did?
>>75275930
Wait, you really think the great flood happened. That the two penguins swimmed all across the Antarctica to get on a boat and then made it back to Antarctica ?
And dinosaurs were obnoxious assholes who thought they were always right, and didn't survive because of their sin ?
>>75275930
It's almost as if they copied shit from each other because they were close geographically to each other.
>>75275997
I already asked this but, again, what system would govern the free will beyond the absolute control of an all powerful being? Could the god also create a god more powerful than itself?
These questions aren't why I sound retarded, they're why religious people sound might sound retarded to some people.
>>75276903
>These questions aren't why I sound retarded
When you have to reassure people of this, maybe it's time for some self-reflection.
>>75277029
The point is these questions only exist because of the phenomena of religion.
>>75276903
so all you've proven is that logical paradoxes exist? maybe come back when you actually have an argument against God?
>>75277154
You're trying, bless your heart. You're only a few centuries late to these discussions yet for some reason, using the same debunked shit from back then.
>>75273901
It's a subset. An independent subset.
Your free will only allows you to choose from amongst your known options.
You do not have the option of surprising God, as God knew what you would choose before you were born.
God knew your last post before He created the world. He's God, and He sees the end from before the beginning.
As God does not tell you everything (or anything) that He knows about you, and as God's knowledge and foreknowledge does not impinge upon your sovereignty, you are free to choose from among your available alternatives.
>>75276769
It's almost like they were writing about the same things.
>be atheist
>be good goy tool to destroy bulwark against Islam and kikes and implement Marxist ideas
>don't believe in God because there is no proof
>believe in aliens even though there is no proof
athiest mental gymnastics everyone
>>75277575
except all the christians i know are cucks and i keep arguing with them about islam being evil
>>75268008
>provide no evidence of his existence
A massive and complex universe which we have no idea how it came to be?
>>75277494
Writing the same bullshit story over and over again doesn't make it true.
Great for making money though, just ask Hollywood.
As we develop a deeper understanding of the universe and how it works, we find reasons for what we see in our world, then we find reasons for those reasons and so on...
>macroscopic properties
>microscopic properties
>atoms
>subatomic particles
>...
Seeing how we live in a finite world, there has to be something(s) that has no deeper reason for the way it is, it just, "is". Why? Why is it the way it is? There can be no why, just the choice of a creator.
>>75276070
i dont know, only gods knows. But since i consider the universe and life has one and only one creator, i trust abrahamic religions and all the books.
>>75276367
yes i really trust it.
I don't know anything about dinosaurs. God told us what we must know, he didnt tell us everything. There are many things he is the only one to know.
>>75277575
With some of them it hits home that when we are talking about God and angels, we are talking about inter-dimensional aliens, some of which parade about as extra-terrestrial aliens for their own purposes.
>>75277641
Any Christian should be able to point to Paul's warning about not believing any other gospel than what he delivered; even if that new and different gospel came from an angel it would be accursed.
Islam denies the main points of christianity while being a christian cult.
>>75277677
You saying things are not true has no effect on them whatsoever.
>>75277665
the existence of something is not evidence that it was created, otherwise the existence of god would be evidence god was created
"massive and complex" is completely subjective. you could multiple the number of reactions and particles in the universe by zillions upon zillions of what they already are now conceptually and it would make our universe looks tiny
>>75277854
You saying they are has a similar effect.
>>75277665
Just because we don't understand it now doesn't mean it's magic.
That's the exact same mentality that caused our ancestors to respond to a lightning storm with "SKY GOD ANGRY! SACRIFICE VIRGINS TO APPEASE SKY GOD!"
>>75276903
These are questions for religious study and many of them have been addressed over centuries. Consider the Catholic Catechisms for one.
Also free will isn't just a question for God, there are still arguments that threaten the idea of free will. For example if our biology decides our actions for us or if the nature of time describes all events past, present , and future and implies our actions are already decidsd
>>75268008
People actually believe we went to the moon and left this world too.
Funny shit ain't it
>>75277972
Indeed.
And yet, I do not say things are true because I say they are true; I say there exists objective truth, and that objective truth can be known, and is known by God who reveals it to whomever pays attention.
>>75277302
Oh right. Well, if you have no points to make yourself I guess that's that.
>>75277179
Not making sense is good enough argument against god for me, especially since arguments are essentially all god exists as. But that's me so no offense.
>>75277963
>>75277975
How can something which is causal like the universe be contigent in itself?
That makes no sense.
> doesn't mean it's magic.
Both of you have presumed magic by saying that it could be created in itself.
Isn't there /reg for 15-year-old faggots to fight about god.
>>75277575
>believe in aliens even though there is no proof
There are billions of perceivable systems, and probably many billions and trillions more we can't see. It stands to reason, statistically, that intelligent life developed in at least one or more of those systems.
Show me the math on the odds that God exists. If it checks out and gives even the slightest, tiniest of chances of God existing based on one or more theologies, I'll stop being an atheist right here and now.
I'll wait.
>>75278268
Exactly.
When we say God created the universe, x --> y, the pre-existence of x is presumed to be true in order for x to be capable of creating y.
To say that y --> y is logical nonsense, as you cannot presume y's pre-existence in order for y to create itself.
>>75278545
Sure, here you go. The cosmological constant cannot vary 1 part in 10^120 or there is no habitable universe.
>>75278545
You're hitting a brick wall. Even though you say anything, people who believe in god will still believe as such.
It's a psychological thing , believing something that is wrong then you believe it more, no matter how much evidence to the opposite.
>>75278545
Er, have you even heard of the Fermi paradox?
>>75279145
The unintended hypocrisy is rich.
>>75279288
What does the Fermi paradox have to do with God? The Fermi Paradox assumes that intelligent life can only occur in specific circumstances like it occurred here on Earth. Which makes it a retarded paradox because it makes a ton of really specific assumptions to reach its conclusion. Also..
>>75278677
Nice Google skills. I'm actually kind of impressed. I looked that shit up, too, and no-one seemed to be able to agree with the results, so you're full of shit as theistfags tend to be. So desperate are you guys to try to prove the existence of something that doesn't exist that you'll spout any kind of bullshit you possibly can, it's hilarious. Are you Liberal, too? You sound like a Liberal to me.
>>75279145
>psychological
I understand why religion still exists in this day and age: people know nothing else, or turn to it because they're in points of their life where they're experiencing internal/external turmoil.
Odds are you'll get to see religion become a minority in your lifetime.
>>75279331
Yes, is it so? All you can do is to call me names.
>>75279754
It has to do with morons on 4chan saying that statistically speaking life must have developed elsewhere.
It's not google, it's John Lennox. You know, a mathematician. People who know things like Fermi's Paradox.
>>75279145
This counts for both sides thats why its very difficult to convert from one belief to another
>>75279825
What name were you called?
You're hitting a brick wall. Even though you say anything, people who believe there is no god will still believe as such.
It's a spiritual thing, believing something that is wrong then you believe it more, no matter how much evidence to the opposite.
>>75268008
Thanks OP I was having doubts about the Christian faith today. Your post reminded how stupid atheists are. This helps restore my faith.
>>75278257
>If I just pretend I haven't been refuted and embarrassed this whole time, then it didn't happen
Cute.
>>75279946
People believe something is true, and then go looking for evidence to support that belief.
People are irrational beings.
>>75279871
Before you call people morons, can you see you're included in them?
Also Ramsey theory destroys anything you want to say.
>>75280201
Um, no, I am not included in "morons who post nonsense on 4chan."
I would have to say something completely different and incredibly pointed for "Ramsey theory" to have anything whatsoever to say about the matter.
>muh 100 year old math is better than current math.
>>75280139
thats conformation bias or something , i did that all the time who goes looking on a cristian science websites for a possible second theory
>>75280026
My name would be cynical apatheist. Because I think that even if god appears before me, I can't know which of the thousand gods he is, Maybe the god is a cunt, like Loki, and just wants to trick me.
>>75280596
>>75280434
>Um, no, I am not included in "morons who post nonsense on 4chan."
yes you are. We all are.
>would have to say something completely different and incredibly pointed for "Ramsey theory" to have anything whatsoever to say about the matter.
Yes, you're wrong. It's hard to admit.
>muh 100 year old math is better than current math.
Prove it false. You'd get 4 times nobel prize.
>>75268698
Spiderman comic books are a proof of existence of spiderman then
>>75281692
>>75281502
>>75270365
Hahaha well meme'd friend!
>not accepting a valid answer and instead exclaiming emotional fallacies that show your ignorance of what the Bible says God is.
But..but if God doesn't judge and show love the way I would...he doesn't exist... r..r..right guise?
>>75268759
M'lady! I am a feminist, pls fuck me.
