is climate change real?
>>75261166
Yes climates always change
Is it man made? Possibly but there is not enough scientific evidence to prove that yet
Will govt subsidies reverse the problem? Hell no, even if it was a global effort the govt can't do shit efficiently
Who cares, whatever happens will happen long after our time
>>75261166
As opposed to climate stasis?
>>75261166
Yes, it's real - but it's not man-made. It's part of a natural cycle and all of the planets in the Solar System are warming up.
>>75261355
Stop this fucking meme
You don't know shit about natural climate change if you think this is what's happening
>tfw botnet wants me to starve
>>75261166
What does nonfree pizza have to do with this OP?
>>75261954
>can't even order a pizza
fuckin javascript
>>75261355
>Possibly but there is not enough scientific evidence to prove that yet
97% of climate scientists think that there is enough validation.
The only questions we should be asking ourselves are
>What can we do about it?
>How will we adapt?
>>75262042
>97% of climate scientists think that there is enough validation.
you mean the ones that want government funding so they say what the government wants them to say?
>>75261941
And that idiot.
Natural climate change occurs over thousands of years
Nothing even ressembling what happened in the past 200 years.
>>75261166
It's happening. It will route farming patterns in every country that matters and present a huge national security issue.
Thing is nothing we can do to stop it realistically.
>>75262042
So if 97% of scientists believe the earth is flat does that make it true? Didn't realize science was majority rule. Also can you sauce that
>>75262150
Except the medieval warming, Roman warming, and Minoan warming.
>>75262100
>it's all a conspiracy!
Governments are informed by scientists, not the other way around. Scientists get grants to do science anyway and they get the money before results are published.
But no, your version where all scientists in all fields around the world only publish what governments want them too. Even exercise scientists are only publishing studies on muscle development that conforms with Obama's personal agenda. That makes sense.
http://www.desmogblog.com/2015/12/01/exxonmobil-columbia-university-center-global-energy-policy
>>75261166
It's different from this morning, so yes
>>75261950
Except I do
>>75262867
lol'd
>>75262832
Normally yes, but the American government did really pay scientists to say MAN MADE GLOBAL WARMING was real, but then it wasn't and it was GLOBAL COOLING and now it's CLIMATE CHANGE because that way they can't lose the argument ever.
>>75261166
epin copypasta I made and keep posting in these threads because you dumb faggots can never come up with answers that aren't "hurr just google it m8 like a lot of scientists agree but never published their methodology or anything, they just agree so appeal to authority":
Prove it is:
A: happening (which I don't doubt).
B: can be directly linked to human actions like burning fossil fuels
C: post specifics, how the parts the humans are doing is actually significant. Like what percent is our fault.
D: post specifics, about just how fast "climate is changing" since "global warming" is no longer the meme term. I want real statistics like "we are getting X warmer every year and I will have to worry about it in Y years becuase Z happened and is devastating"
E: post specifics, about just why I should give two fucks if hipsters faggots have to move their shitty cities 2 miles inland while I pay for retarded infrastructure that would probably cost more
F: if all of that is all real and shit, why I would care if it's as tragic as the lefty faggots think, when they're all just destroying our countries and children's futures with mass immigration of mudslimes and taconiggers and increased socialism to support these subhumans
G: Explain how wind turbines that are complete and utter shit, cost more fossil fuels to build and transport and assemble and shit than they save over their liftime and only work in wind, but not too much wind so you have to use tradition power sources anyway, how solar isn't complete shit that get ruined by dust, only works during the day, without clouds or fog or any retard with an umbrella is within 20 miles
H: Explain why we should be pouring billions of my taxpayer money into this when it is proven the private sector is many times more efficient than any government grant program or research fund. If a company makes and patents the next big innovation in energy, they will quite literally become one of the biggest companies in existence
>>75261166
No ozon layer makes the planet die
Just look at mars, if it could happen there it could happen here.
This became at one point first a major issue in the 70's and 80's but only since Al Gore has the mainstream media really picked up on it since it was used for a certain political campaign stance.
Cannot say anything about the rate of how things are going but I'm sure the planet will be fine, the people however are fucked.
>>75263125
Except in the 70s they said it was global cooling. What changed?
>>75262756
>Source 87% claim
Seriously? You never heard that one?
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2013/may/16/climate-change-scienceofclimatechange
> So if 97% of scientists believe the earth is flat does that make it true?
That'd be a great argument if 97% of scientists were saying that, but they're not.
>>75263011
>THEY CHANGED THE WORD!
Yeah, Frank Luntz changed it. He was a speech writer for George W Bush.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Luntz#Global_warming
>Although Luntz later tried to distance himself from the Bush administration policy, it was his idea that administration communications reframe "global warming" as "climate change" since "climate change" was thought to sound less severe.
>>75263310
They use to believe that!!!!
This is a complete enough study for you:
The survey
In 2004, Naomi Oreskes performed a survey of 928 peer-reviewed climate papers published between 1993 and 2003, finding none that rejected the human cause of global warming. We decided that it was time to expand upon Oreskes' work by performing a keyword search of peer-reviewed scientific journal publications for the terms 'global warming' and 'global climate change' between the years 1991 and 2011.
Cause he cherry picked who he asked. And only chose those who had already accepted climate change
the climate is changing, but it is a scientific fact that all the scams the democrat party is pushing to stop global warming will do absolutely nothing.
Windmills, solar power, electric cars, carbon credits, emission reduction treaties, bankrupting coal industry, making electricity expensive, etc won't change a thing.
The democrats are environmental marxist fanatics.
>>75263310
Lmfaooooobif 97% of scientists told you the world was flat now you'd change your mind
Top Kek
Learn to think lmao
>>75261166
Yes
>>75261355
>there is not enough scientific evidence to prove that yet
Oh, fuck off, dude.
>Will govt subsidies reverse the problem?
You realize that there are plenty of non command-and-control methods that we know are effective, right?
Regardless, it's not about reversing the problem, dumbass. It's about mitigating damage already done and preventing it from getting any worse.
>>75262975
No, you're some dude on 4chan who looked at some random graphs and thinks he's an expert.
>>75263693
>Windmills, solar power, electric cars, carbon credits, emission reduction treaties, bankrupting coal industry, making electricity expensive, etc won't change a thing.
can you source this
not that I doubt you but I want evidence to use against people
>>75263745
Way to not read the graphs
They show the temp change is on its normal pattern
Way to have no arguments and shitpost your life away instead of expanding the white race
IF GLOBAL WARMING IS REAL THEN HOW IS IT COLD IN THE WINTER???
ATHIESTS BTFO
>>75261355
>there is not enough scientific evidence to prove that yet
there is though
The only thing that's going to effectively reduce co2 is going nuclear so until governments stop pussyfooting around with bullshit like solar panels and carbon taxes and actually start implementing it, global warming might as well be a non-issue.
>>75263928
Show fag
>some anonymous poster says I'm wrong without evidence oh wow they must be right
>>75262756
what makes you think you know more about climate change than climate scientists?
that's pretty arrogant.
>>75262150
>Nothing even ressembling what happened in the past 200 years.
It has happened at least a couple times in just the short period of recorded history.
>>75263878
How can be global warming real, if the ozone is not real?
Yes, climate change is real, and it could be bad and good, but its not the biggest problem right now.
Jews use climat change as a weapon, they make it our priority "problem" instead of ISIS, multiculuralism, jews themselfs.
>>75264061
What makes you think I think that. I think 3% of scientists are right. But that study isn't accurate anyway (see above posts)
How autistic are you?
>>75263036
Answers to all your questions are here
http://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar5/
I'll try and give some quick answers off the top of my head
B&C: The IPCC state thate humans caused ALL warming over the past 60 years with a 95% confidence interval. (if you understand statistics, you'll know what a confidence interval is)
D: We have already warmed 1° Celsius in the past 100 years. The rate is accelerating. It is impossible to predict how many years before cataclysmic events begin taking place.
E: You should care because sea level rising in poor arse countries will displace hundreds of thousands of people and those refugees will come knocking on your wall.
F: Global warming will accelerate that, see above. Do you know how many people live at sea level in Bangledesh? It's like 400 MILLION.
G: Wind power isn't shit. For example this turbine http://reneweconomy.com.au/2015/rottnest-island-to-source-45-electricity-from-solar-added-to-wind-turbine-18859 has produced more electricity in it's 20 years than you could make through diesel generation at the same cost (the previous source on that island) Due to science and technology, wind power continues to get more and more efficient, as does solar. You might also notice that neitehr of these power sources require an endless mining operation for depleting resources to sustain in addition to plant setup fee.
H: Yeah and that company is called Tesla. Almost every technological breakthrough ever has required some inistial government funding spark or research at a public university though. An effective way to reduce carbon emissions is using a market mechanism like emissions trading credits or a simple tax on carbon emission. That way the private sector can reduce it's costs by reducing emissions through innovation.
>tfw climate making me starving
>tfw no pizza
Ya. But is it doom? No.
Daily reminder that life existed, flourished even, while atmospheric CO2 levels were 10x what it is now. Daily reminder that the last time CO2 was at a "dangerously" high level was BEFORE LAND PLANTS EXISTED.
Climate change hype is driven by 2 things: Ecofreaks that want to save every minuscule irrelevant species on the planet (a hopelessly futile and anti-progress goal), and politicians/media that want to use this issue to gain more power.
>>75264002
um, okay
http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/
There are a bunch of sources in here, Don't feel like copy pasting all of them.
>>75263125
The ozone has nothing to do with global warming.
Ozane depletion is caused by particular chemicals (CFCs) that used to be found in aerosols and refridgerators until we banned them, despite the kciking and screaming of merchants and industry. After we banned them, the ozone repaired itself and that's why it's no longer an issue. Please don't confuse it with global warming.
>>75264167
Oh nice source. A governmental panel on climate change has no incentive to lie. It's not like there jobs depend on climate change existing or anything
>>75264334
Cause you don't know shit and are appealing to authority with a nasa link
>>75264334
Weird how all sources that say climate change is legit are govt funded. I wonder if that's a coincidence
>>75264167
>IPCC
You mean the same IPCC who's model predicitons have never been supported by real-time temperature observations and who's on record saying they'll push global warming agenda regardless if it's true?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2013/02/05/in-their-own-words-climate-alarmists-debunk-their-science/#3c1a3bc576fb
>>75264164
You still think you know better than 97% of climate scientist without doing any actual science or research.
>>75264334
NASA is funded by the US government which is a pro-AGW institution and doesn't hire AGW sceptics as a matter of policy.
>>75264490
hmm really makes you think...
>>75264520
I think 3% of scientists know better than 97%. You didn't know my premise and you came in here with no info and just an opinion. Also I already proved that 97% is a bs stat. You got btfo it happens just come back more armed next time. Your opinion isn't a substantial argument here
>>75264432
>>75264530
did you even look at the sources?
you asked for scientific sources that man made climate change is real, so I povided them:
https://www.opr.ca.gov/s_listoforganizations.php
>>75264586
If you had to do a quick google search to back your opinion. Saw nasa. Didn't bother to look through cause you said "you didn't have time" and continued shit posting. Just trying to help you grow up so you can debate like a man
>>75264786
.gov
No I didn't cause you didn't. Point out the info fag I'm not going through the whole website
>>75262975
65,000,000 years ago, on a planet that's only 6,000 years old.
Opinion discarded.
>>75264792
>>75264884
okay fine, can you prove that man made climate change is a hoax and a government conspiracy then?
be op have stupid question post anime pics while not being anime girl expect replies why does he do that what is you are point?
>>75265004
Yes. Read Climategate emails you lazy fuck.
>>75264505
>In 1988, former Canadian Minister of the Environment, told editors and reporters of the Calgary Herald: “No matter if the science of global warming is all phony…climate change [provides] the greatest opportunity to bring about justice and equality in the world.”
Canadian cuckoldry and shitposting was alive and well in the 80s I see.
>>75265004
I'm suppose to prove a negative?
I will after you prove gods not real
>>75265339
showing it's a conspiracy would be a positive m80. thankfully somebody already did it a few posts up though.
>>75265339
the earth is not round.
>prove it
You want me to prove a negative XD???
>>75261166
Yes
I doubt whether it's as disastrous as some people paint it to be though.
10 years ago people were saying that acid rain would ruin the world, that sea level would rise 5 meters, etc etc. Nothing happened.
>>75264432
>appealing to authority.
I suggest you carefully read /pol/'s sticky on how the appeal to authority logical fallacy works. There are times when you do have to respect the judgement of an authority figure and the matter isn't up for debate.
For example, ff a doctor tells you your sick, you're not going to debate them. Taking your animal to the vet isn't appealing to authority either, it's recognising their expertise in an area is greater then yours.
IN the case of global warming, if a scientist reports that, according to the data they've studied, the earth is getting warming because of of increased carbon dioxide levels, it's not a matter of belief. They are simply reporting what they studied. And it looks like 97% of the time, that's what they're reporting. 3% of the time some scientists are not finding a link. And they're not wrong either, they're simply reporting what they saw.
>>75264366
I know it's a lot of reading, and you didn't even make it past the word 'governmental' (I know this, because it's actually intergovernmental, which is different)
>>75265420
I'm referring to man made climate change not being real. It's silly to ask someone to prove an individual is conspiring when the argument is about wether man made climate change is real
>>75261166
with all that particulated aluminum changing the earth's albedo, it was bound to happen eventually
>>75261166
Climate changes every day, every hour, every second. Of course it's real.
>>75265462
Yea that'd be a silly way to phrase that question, I'm glad you see how autistic your being. You argue like a sjw btw. When one of your arguments gets rocked you move the goalpost
>>75264167
>B&C:
HOW
>D: We have already warmed 1° Celsius in the past 100 years. The rate is accelerating. It is impossible to predict how many years before cataclysmic events begin taking place.
Do you even read what you fucking post before you post it? Think it through for a second.
>E: You should care because sea level rising in poor arse countries will displace hundreds of thousands of people and those refugees will come knocking on your wall.
Guess it's good we're building a wall and will gun them down at the borders, huh?
>F: Global warming will accelerate that, see above. Do you know how many people live at sea level in Bangledesh? It's like 400 MILLION.
Good, fuck those subhumans.
>G: Wind power isn't shit.
Stop being retarded. Read G again.
>Due to science and technology, wind power continues to get more and more efficient
Cool. Stop pouring billions of my tax dollars into that shit industry and let it stand on its own two feet.
>You might also notice that neitehr of these power sources require an endless mining operation for depleting resources to sustain in addition to plant setup fee.
Which is 100% covered by profits from doing it. I don't even know what "point" you're trying to make.
>H: That way the private sector can reduce it's costs by reducing emissions through innovation.
Jesus Christ, you're fucking retarded, aren't you?
>>75265544
Inter governmental is different than governmental because?
I'm not going to accept something just cause a scientist said it, why not show me the science, why can't you guys find a study that isn't funded by the govt to prove your point?
>inb4 this one is multiple governments
>>75265587
>It's silly to ask someone to prove an individual is conspiring when the argument is about wether man made climate change is real
no it's not. You're definitely implying it's a government conspiracy
see:
>>75264884
>>75264366
>>75264490
>>75265542
Acid rain was never going to ruin the world, just parts of Northern Europe and North America. Also, we figured out how to counter it (pouring shittonnes of time into lakes)
>>75265142
You mean the one where 6 seperate independent inquiries found nothing and exonerated the scientists of all conspiracy charges?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_email_controversy
>>75265826
Intergovernmental is multiple governments. 195 of them in fact.
When was the last time 195 governments (well, their scientific agencies) agreed on something?
>>75265836
I'm showing that your sources are governmental and not scientific. You inferred conspiracy. It's just being logical to ask who benefits and not consider non objective sources
>all these nazi sources say Jews are sub human
>>75261166
I cant believe americans are still debating this your education system is royally fucked, and by the time you realise climate change is real it will be to late to change anything.
>>75265668
What are you talking about?
It has been scientiffically established that the earth is round. If you think that's not the case, you'll have to prove it.
It has been scientiffically established that man made climate change is real. If you think that's not the case, you'll have to prove it.
>autistic
>SJW
ad hominems aren't gonna help you
>>75265971
When they all benefit from it
>>75265002
>>75266191
Except that the warming pattern is natural so it's not scientifically proven. I'm the only one who posted actual scientific data in this argument and it shows there is no man made effect. Didn't need the ad homenims my argument didn't rely on it. Cuck
>>75265544
>I suggest you carefully read /pol/'s sticky on how the appeal to authority logical fallacy works. There are times when you do have to respect the judgement of an authority figure and the matter isn't up for debate.
This is some "hate speech isn't free speech" level of cognitive dissonance. He's not confused, you are.
>>75261166
No, it's another ruse by the jew media
>>75266191
Show the science that proves it
>inb4 read through this .gov link
>>75265826
>why not show me the science, why can't you guys find a study that isn't funded by the govt to prove your point?
Oh yeah sorry I forgot to address this.
http://berkeleyearth.org/funders/
>LITERALLY funded by Charles Koch, oil baron, principle GOP funder and climate change skeptic.
http://berkeleyearth.org/summary-of-findings/
>Lol turns out the Earth is warming. Guess all those governemnt shills wearn't lying afterall
>>75261166
Of course it's real. Unless you don't believe there's ever been an ice age before.
>>75266140
If it's as severe as people keep claiming it's already too late anyhow.
You're naive to think reducing your fraction of a fraction of global CO2 emissions by a fraction is going to change anything in the grand picture.
>>75265905
*checks flag*
>>75261166
https://nonfree.pizza/
>>75266578
Clicking the links but no science, sooooooooooooo
I never said the earths not warming my chart shows it is. It's warming at its natural pattern
>>75265002
>>75266578
Natural pattern fag, go before 1970
>>75266877
Did you click the second link? The summary of findings?
>>75266578
Natural pattern fag
>>75266973
>Graph clearly shows steady increase
>>75267001
Just did, they use the same trick
>it's gotten warmer since 1970 duuuhhhhhh man must of done that
Except that's been the cycle for the last 65 million years
>>75267107
Yeah I know there's a steady increase, that's what's suppose to happen, refer back to the charts I posted
>>75267107
... and?
>>75267126
The graph clearly shows it is warmer now than any time in 250 years and a PURELY COINCIDENTAL increase in CO2 which jsut happens to be produced by every power station, car exhaust and factory in the world.
But hey, I was only asked to find a non governemnt funded study that said the same things as the governmetn funded ones. Hell and I found an OIL COMPANY funded study. But no, shifting goal posts and all that.
>>75267029
Can you go back to start from the Dark middle ages? Just for the sake of completeness?
>>75267334
Thanks for not shifting, you are correct.
Still uses the same govt logic, when you look at the warming pattern through a broad scope you see man has nothing to do with it
remember ENRON?
they and al gore invented carbon credits as a way control energy markets and sheer the sheep. without global warming, there is no incentive to create artificial supply crises and rake in insane profits.
>>75267280
>No source
>you've named it 'neptune temp' even though it clearly refers to how bright neptune is.
>Replying to a post that linked to a source dismissing solar variance as a factor.
intothetrash.jpg
>>75261166
Yes only the Americans say otherwise
That should tell you all you need about climate change.
>>75267354
I did earlier, >>75262975
these go back 65 million years
>>75261166
Why even care, how things are going, my race is going to be extinct before any significant stuff happens due to global warming. I don't care anymore, let it all burn.
>>75261166
The many-worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics teaches us that there is a 100% chance that there is an universe in which climate change exists and is manmade. So in that sense, it is real.
Incidentally, by the same logic you could say anime is real.
>>75268568
That many worlds interpretation is Marxist bs used to make you feel insignificant.
>>75263011
>I didn't pass 10th grade
>>75265591
What the actual fuck is this flag man? Is it the youtube play button or what? At that point you might as well have a fucking leaf for a flag, it's less embarrassing.
>>75267334
What about the inexplicable heating pause?
China's activities in the last 10 years alone should have ACCELERATED any anthopogenic affects
