Redpill me on the political crisis going on atm
>implying anyone gives a shit about macedonia
What is that place again?
isn't another ORANGE bs revolution?
That's the color of SOROS blackop.
- SOROS THE JEW
- CIA SHILLS getting order from masons, who get orders from SOROS the JEW.
- JEWS
>>75258483
*typing from Detroit, shithole of Detroit, SHITHOLE, US*
>>75258398
I do
>>75258398
I'm not looking to lure foreign attention with this thread, more like have Macedonian/balkan posters say what they think.
>>75258323
>opposition loses every election cycle since 2006
>blames the winning right-wing party of committing fraud
>right wing party does the "they suck so hard they cry nao" narrative
>most recent elections have been the same, but with more hype about the fraud
>alleged 20k so called "phantom"voters from albania
>winning party won by a much greater margin
>atm temportary government which must cleanse the electoral list (how do you even call that in english) and prosecute all criminal politicians
>the latter goal is to be accomplished with a newly formed anti-constitutional special public prosecutor which accuses many right-wing politicians
>right-wing party accuses the SPP of bias
>president (right-wing) abolishes the accused right-wing and left-wing politicians
>left-wing accused of collaborating with soros by the right-wing
>>75259678
>Forgets to mention that the """""""""""right-wing""""""""""""""" are allied with shiptars.
>>75259921
they aren't too relevant, they will become allies with whoever will provide more gibsmedats for em
What gives this country the balls to try and steal the Macedonian identity from Greece?
>>75259678
>>75259921
How are the left wings there?
Modern day liberals or real socialists?
Any chance of a civil war?
>>75260184
the Macedonian identity is attributed to the side which is able to cherrypick in a more convincing manner, I don't think historians/politicians are mature enough to have a rational conversation about this anytime soon
>>75258492
>>75258563
dude you were posting the same crap even this morning before I went to uni. Don't you have a life?
>>75260193
They are social democrats, but conducted a massive privatization of state-owned companies in the 90's which left a lot of people jobless.
>>75260193
less left wing than the right-wing, funnily enough.
>>75260193
about the civil war, there are chances of a conflict caused by albanian terrorists as a result of the country being destabilised such as the one in 2001
>>75260322
Only one side thinks there's even a conversation to be had. Let that sink in
>>75260686
yeah I think that the left-right wing dichotomy doesn't apply to the parties here, they just straight up hate each other. Policies are chosen depending on the circumstances that change on a daily basis
>>75260552
Is the opposition a more competent bunch than the current nationalist establishment?
>>75260942
Policies are chosen based on how much the politicians can steal on that day, i'd say.
Or just fuck up the lives of the citizens in which ever way.
>>75260889
Take your shit somewhere else
>>75261042
>competence
It's not a word i'd attribute to macedonian politics.
>>75261042
Sadly, no.
>>75261049
you are too rational to be living in this country
Hey, Macedonians, does my shirt trigger you?
>>75260552
>>75260686
Nah you guys can relax they won't cause much trouble, like, they don't look like authoritarians
>>75260797
Fuck that's bad
i can alwredy see buthurt orthodox greek scum talking shit .
>>75260889
you are a textbook example, my friend
>>75261272
I think they would be more triggered by my flag.
>>75260889
are you seriously expecting any of them to discuss in a reasonable manner?
>>75261272
>America
Hell you can all go there, it'd be better, and the american deserve it.
>>75261703
what I said above about the issues between Macedonia and Greece on history applies also to the Macedonia/Bulgaria debate. The unsuccessfulness of the latter leaves me baffled because the all the bulgarians I've met are all pretty based
>>75261272
1000x more triggering shit happens on a daily basis and as a result we no longer get triggered so hard
>>75258323
Why the fuck is this still a state?
Gib Western Part to Albania.
>>75261977
Except there are no issues between FYROM and Greece. There'd be a conversation if there were actual issues, but all you do is keep provocating us. The "Greater Macedonia" plan is just a desperate attempt to introduce some legitimacy over your fake country by introducing Greek people in it. Why would actual Macedonians want to live in a shared Slav and Albanian state, rather than with their actual Greek-speaking co-patriots?
>>75261977
Politicians just spew propaganda so that we can drift further apart, when in fact we speak pretty much the same language and have nearly everything in common.
Just like the greek politicians pushing their claim over you.
>>75262405
See, that's what's funny. There are no Greek claims over FYROM. We don't give a flying fuck about them or their clay.
>>75262291
>Except there are no issues between FYROM and Greece.
why isn't Macedonia a member of NATO then?
>but all you do is keep provocating us
if statues trigger you, that's your problem
>The "Greater Macedonia" plan
wtf are you talking about? Are you literally taking memes seriously?
>>75262405
please explain further
>>75262555
>There are no Greek claims over FYROM.
define "Greek claim"
>>75261092
Which party are you voting for?
Tell me something about the opposition. Are they pro-business like the ruling party? Did they build as many things back in their day or they robbed the country the same? What are priorities for Macedonia (euroatlantic integration, name dispute, ethnic issues, economy)?
>>75262736
Territorial.
>>75261272
It triggers me Muhammad
>>75262760
We don't know if they're pro-business because they haven't been in power to prove it (The opposition party leader's family is a successful business family, a fact used by right-wing media to shill for the ruling party). Right now they bash most if not all foreign companies that have invested in Macedonia. Don't get me wrong, the right wing isn't actually that good, they are nepotists (actually everyone is to a certain extent), and so the people are forced to vote for the lesser of two evils atm (nationalist rhetoric helps quite a bit with the support).
Current priority for Macedonia is the euroatlantic integration, but that is brought to a standstill because of the name dispute.
>>75262736
What's there to explain? Govorment pushes anti-bulgarian and anti-macedonian propaganda to eliminate any hope of reunification, the vultures around are druling with saliva.
Meanwhile Goldberg Shekelstein is rubbing his hands in the backround.
>>75262555
No? What was your original concern with them then?
>>75263469
gimme examples
On a positive note, from my personal experiences, Macedonian women are sexy as fuck
>>75262563
>why isn't Macedonia a member of NATO then?
It's because of a FYROM issue, not an issue with Greece. We have nothing to do with the fact that you're trying to separate the concept of being Greek from the concept of being Macedonian.
Every nation has a nationalistic concept of expansion. Ours was "Megali Idea", yours is "United Macedonia". Just because you as a person don't espouse it, doesn't mean FYROM nationalists also don't.
>>75262736
Territorial. Pic related is Megali Idea from before we got [Greek] Macedonia. Even then, there were no real claims outside the traditional Greek area of the peninsula.
To tell you the truth, I used to be extremely resilient about the whole """Macedonian""" """issue""". But I've received an extremely rude and backwards-thinking responses from FYROM nationals on /pol/ (which is the extent of the contact I've ever had with them).
My original view of the issue was that if you want to be called Macedonia, you need to drop the Bulgarian language and adopt Greek. Turkey and Israel have successfully managed to change the common-speaking language of the state before in just a couple generations. But apparently it's not okay for me to suggest that, because the Bulgarian language is an important part of being Macedonian.
Well, no. You're not going to get the name if you're going to completely bastardise its meaning. Your statues are flattering, but your aims are clearly not to adopt the Macedonian identity, but to actually redefine the concept of being Macedonian and rewrite history to your liking. Pointless. Weak.
>>75263469
kek
this goverment made the biggest effosrt to have friendly relations with you even bigger then ljupco
>>75263575
They were probably Albanians lmao
>>75258323
Gruevski will win again
Life goes on
nothing changes
>>75263297
Alright thanks. What happens if the opposition gathers enough votes to make it to parliament, are their priorities different to a point where a coalition is literally impossible? How would the state function after those elections?
>>75263624
>you're trying to separate the concept of being Greek from the concept of being Macedonian
you are, once again, taking sides in a debate that is reserved for intellectuals that can objectively separate fact from fiction
>Every nation has a nationalistic concept of expansion.
yeah but these days these concepts are nothing more than mere memes
>My original view of the issue was that if you want to be called Macedonia, you need to drop the Bulgarian language and adopt Greek.
now what did I say about that debate, again?
>>75263821
At least we'll get more of those snazy statues, that were made by what i can only assume are aliens, and we'll get those nice building on every square meters of greenery.
>>75263769
>Albanian
>women
pick one
>>75263946
They won't participate in the elections because they think there will be fraud once again. I'm afraid I can't answer your question because it's one giant "what if" XD
>>75263821
Gruevski is the best thing, although some people around him need to go
>>75263545
Bulgarians getting beaten in macedonia by anti bulgarian extremists for not recognizing em as "macedonians".
Which in turn ofcourse sparked up hatred here and then your FM claims theres anti macedonian propaganda. Well no shit Mr Nikola Poposki.
And everything goes downhill from there.
>>75263640
Govorments can try to be friendly towards eachother, but the people arent the govorment.
it's nearly impossible while reading a history book not to wonder why all these definitely not greek people have greek names
>>75263965
Would you say the same if the Chinese were trying to call themselves Indian just because they adopted Buddhism? Would that also be a questions only "intellectuals" are supposed to answer?
I know they've been teaching you a number of things that are not quite true about you "nation's" past, and frankly I sympathise. But there's no ambiguity on the Macedonians' language, culture or identity. They were as Greek as it can get.
Imitation is the highest form of flattery. We'd be welcoming you if you at least tried to adopt the Greek language. But as it is, you're essentially insulting us.
>>75264450
>Barbarians to the north
> They were as Greek as it can get.
It seems to me that you are misreading your own history.
>>75264213
Are you this retarded ?
>anti bulgarian extremists
What kind of newspapers are you reading? You get beaten only if you act like dick. Dont get me wrong im speaking generally not specifically only about bulgarians
>>75264450
wrong i was talking to >>75264213
>>75264073
Seriously, what would objectively happen given that scenario? It seems like the most likely outcome from this whole miss.
>>75264213
>Bulgarians getting beaten in macedonia by anti bulgarian extremists
I would like to see this. Sauce?
>>75264213
These are isolated incidents; there are plenty of instances where Macedonian tourists' cars are vandalised because of the "MK" sign on the number plates for that matter
>>75264570
Slavs weren't north of the Greeks. They were north of the Dacians and God knows how many other minor, unattested tribes. Bulgar/Tatars were even further. Basically, the concept of the Bulgarian didn't even exist at the time, because your two composites hadn't even met yet.
>>75264450
false analogy
>>75265066
How come the Albanian population has more e-v13 than Greeks
>>75265066
Who said anything about slavs you dolt.
If the Ancient Greeks didn't consider them Greek because they were barbarians, they were their own people, since they weren't tatars or slavs either.
Just because they weren't slavs or tatars doesn't automatically make them greek.
>>75265066
why do you even try
they take demosthenes athenian localism speeches as a bible,can't interpret history and it's settings.They don't know Greek history,even though they are supposed to be macedonians.
>>75264865
>>75264571
>you get beaten up only if you act like a dick
Or if you're bulgarian. I cant find the video of the old bulgarian who told the his assaulters that no matter how much they beat him, they'll still be bulgarians. Heres an article that was in the news and a few papers.
http://www.novinite.com/articles/139051/Bulgarian+Ambassador+in+Macedonia+Attacked+by+Nationalist+'Hooligans'
>>75264953
When incidents start stacking up, it dosnt matter how isolated they are.
>>75265603
Is your opinion that Macedonians hate Bulgarians shared by the majority?
>>75258492
yeah, it's just another NWO soros shit, but in this case I'm with him
>tfw soros is my greatest ally
>>75265271
They didn't consider them Barbarian, you dipshit. You're thinking the Illyrians, or Germanics, or whatever.
The saying went "Πας μη Έλλην, βάρβαρος", and the word "βάρβαρος" came from the fact that the Greeks didn't understand their language, instead making fun of them for making what they considered crude noises ("bar bar bar").
The term 'Έλλην', in turn, referred to whoever spoke Ελληνιkά (ie. Greek). By definition, you can't have a barbarian who doesn't speak Greek.
There were plenty dialects of Greek. Doric, Attic, Ionic, Macedonian, etc. There were also closely related languages, like Phrygian. Gradually, the Attic dialect was established across the Greek world, and the rest died-out. Once again, no relation to the Slavic language you're speaking right now. If you had any respect for the ancient Macedonia, you'd at least try to hide the fact that you're are Slav nation.
>>75265791
Seeing as the majority thinks of you as bulgarians, I'd say so.
Also the desecration of the graves of bulgarian soldiers in Strumica would suggest so aswell.
https://youtu.be/VeH4YS7qjAw?t=36
>>75258323
Bulgaria has cores in Macedonia. Gibs the country to based Bulgaria.
>>75265943
Fug
>By definition, you can't have a barbarian who speaks Greek
>>75266036
Macedonia is proto-Bulgaria. They are so bulgarian they stopped being bulgarian.
>>75266026
Mara Buneva's niece is alive and lives in Tetovo, she clamis to be macdonian... Had a chance to talk with her...
>>75266026
#NotAllMacedonians
>>75258323
I never thought about it, but the Macedonian flag looks like the Japanese one
Maybe you should change it and you'll become a first world country
>>75261272
It triggers me, I'm Albanian. The true color is red, you fucking traitor.
>>75266728
What does she think of Mara Buneva?
>>75261272
it triggers my gag reflex
>>75267206
(same person)
It's as red it can be. It's just a shitty pic.
>>75267309
Is it because you regularly get deepthroated by Albanians?
>>75267206
It's red with bad lighting
>Albanian iq
>>75267278
If you dont like the serbs it dosent mean you are bulgarian or likewise if you dont like the bulgarians, you are serb.
We had problems with the serbs, there is saying "what had turks done to us for 500years, serbs did it for 20"
Do u get my point?
>>75267705
Oh my bad, I didn't know I was fucking colorblind.
>>75258398
>implying anyone gives a shit about your opinion mohamMAD
>>75258323
there is no political crisis, the opposition are soros puppets who want to let mudslimes through to western europe
>>75264290
Ain't that something, they had Greek names from the start, but somehow they weren't Greek. Baffles the mind.
>>75264570
Go sell this bullshit elsewhere Mongoslabanian. They worshipped greeks gods, spoke greek and their rulers had greek names.
>>75267781
I get the sayings, but I think im missing the point.
>>75268261
>there is no political crisis
Is this a troll
>>75268540
She had plenty of reasons to work against the serbs, simple as that(?)
>>75268846
Well yeah, but you said you spoke to her niece. Does her niece hate her because she considered herself a bulgarian? And why (other than being bulgarian) is she so hated even tho she did what she did for you?
WHEN IS THIS CLAY GOING TO BE ANNEXED BY BASED ALBANIA?
>>75261272
Does this trigger you welfare parasite
>>75270145
It's kinda funny, actually.
It would be funnier if it wasn't the hundredth time I've seen it.
ILLYRIAN RACE = MASTER RACE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsqamfmyL2s
Anyone who denies this is a Slavic Faggot.
>>75270070
>>75270145
These are pretty good
>>75270481
One for the Germans
>>75269394
Most of the people didnt know about Mara until you brought it up. Any proofs of her claims to be a bulgarian? Her niece is not hating her, she just wonders how is she bulgarian because her heritage is pretty well known. She was probulgarian tho
>>75270481
One for the roaches
>>75263965
>taking sides in a debate that is reserved for intellectuals
>have no arguments
>"this is reserved for the intellectuals goyim"
>>75270654
Im not 100% sure what she referred to herself as, but she is known as a "bulgarophile" in Macedonia. And as far as I know only bulgarians can be bulgarophiles in Macedonia.
>>75261075
makedonski? Butthurt much?
>>75272758
No she isnt
>>75270145
>>75270070
>>75270619
>>75270671
what are these called i wish for more
>>75271342
I'm afraid this is a little too much for your tiny undeveloped Afrikaans dialect-speaking brain to process.
>goyim
Failed meme attempt, 0/10
>>75276034
He's not wrong though. Jews hate the Greeks because of what Macedonians did to them. Not a coincidence that the one Greek region whose name, history and geography are irrationally contested is Macedonia.
Not to mention
>In 1924, the Communist International suggested that all Balkan communist parties adopt a platform of a "united Macedonia" but the suggestion was rejected by the Bulgarian and Greek communists.
You're a kike creation birthed simply out of spite for Greece. No more than a tool.
