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>>75251145
Am I being detained?
How do we pay for roads, police, firemen, etc
>>75251103
How can people firmly believe that abolishing the concept of state as a whole, could be beneficial to humanity in any way?
Look, I'm not some kind of lefty, "stength the state!" fuckshit, but completely getting rid of it, is ridiculous
>>75252789
This.
Somália had a ancap experience and everything get fucked. The lack of state made a lot of armed groups try to take the power
>>75252789
It doesn't even matter if it's good or bad at some point people will come together and form a new government. And since ancaps can't forbid it by law because it goes against the nap they'll just be forced to stay in their mothers basement.
A night watchmen state is really the only viable liberatarian philosophy
>>75252579
roads - people will want to use cars, somebody will want to provide them with roads - http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/shortcuts/2014/aug/04/private-toll-road-bristol-bath-a431
police - people will want to feel safe, somebody will provide them with protection - https://www.wildfirex.com/private-firefighting/
firemen - you gotten the point by now - https://www.wildfirex.com/private-firefighting/
>>75252579
by giving money to those who provide said services.
>>75252950
fuck
*police - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_police
https://YouTube.com/watch?v=38K9X5PMLRU
>>75252579
>roads
Not needed, an Ancap society would invent hover cars within 5 years.
>police
No need when trading becomes a millions times more profitable than crime.
>firemen
Pay monthly fee so they put out a fire if it burns at your house.
Hi, I'm a squatter on your land.
Don't oppress me by stealing "rent" from me. I didn't sign shit!
>>75252789
>How can people firmly believe that abolishing the concept of state as a whole, could be beneficial to humanity in any way?
people would be free to form their own states if they so wish, but nobody would be forced to participate.
You are missing the point anyway, the point of abolishing the State is not expediency, but morality. The State (unauthorized use of force) is immoral, so it has to go.
Fiat justitia ruat caelum.
>>75252950
People won't do shit. Same with free trade.
free trade (or insert whatever shit you want) → monopoly → Freedome gone → shit
if you don't vote they don't have to cheat to win
>>75253316
it just so happens most contemporary monopolies are monopolies created or subsidised by the State. What gives, Hans?
>>75253316
That's not true. Can you explain your reasoning? Not really ancap but claiming free market doesn't work.. really?
>>75251103
>ancap here
![Libertarianism-Anarchy[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/hL1SSrG.png "Libertarianism-Anarchy[1].png")
>>75252950
So you want to privatize everything. You dumb fool, you are not an anarchist, you are a libertarian.
Enjoy burning to death as you don't have money to pay those firefighters.
>>75251103
>>75253830
some hot opinions you have there, buddy.
>>75251103
How do prevent a drunk dad to take their kids on the car while driving all without seatbelts?
>>75254181
how do you do that now?
>>75254181
>>75254313
Obviously we need government-mandated 24/7 camera surveillance in every privately owned vehicle to stop it. Think of the children!
>>75254313
Alcohol tests and prison if caught.
You are right, not possible to prevent, but how would such a society deal with it?
(Honest question)
>>75254482
it is far more profitable to prevent crime than to solve it and punish it (court costs etc.), so I would assume the private defence company would only enter into contracts with people that would stipulate to not drive drunk (and to treat their children right, to not pollute, to not cause noise etc. etc.)
>>75254181
How does the state prevent that from happening right now?
If somebody is dumb enough or willing to do this, he will regardless of living in north korea or ancapistan.
We can't be consequentialists, i.e. prohibit x in order to prevent z from happening, this is often the reason z actually happens and in a far worse way, see gun free zones in the US.
Also, the state doesn't really protect you from anything, or anyone else for that matter. It sustains itself on the FALSE collective belief that it's necessary when it's not.
Lastly but more importantly, anarcho-capitalism has it's roots on a ethical and moral principle, non-agression. Taxation is theft, this is a simple fact, therefore taxation is a form of agression and thus immoral, the state needs taxes to exist, so the state is immoral and it's existence unjustifiable from a moral viewpoint, it's quite simple.
>>75253830
Libertarians recognize the necessity of a state... fundamentally not anarchy. Nice meme though
>>75252950
>private, paid police protection
So what happens when me and my buddies get together with a bunch of guns and decide we just don't like your private police firm? Maybe there's more of us and our guns are bigger.
Maybe we decide that you should start paying *us* protection money. And if you don't, we'll break your kneecaps. What are you going to do about it? Oh, and while we're at it, your daughter is real pretty. We'll kidnap her and make her our sex slave too.
So, just what are you going to do about it?
>>75252950
Sounds reasonable. There should be an overarching body to organise all this
>>75254782
so, you're arguing for something with your own opinions (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objectivity_%28philosophy%29) on ethics and morality and your own view on those is an argument for forcing your opinions on everyone else?
>>75252579
Go ahead, try it.
>>75254819
I'm an optimist in that I believe 99,9% of people don't want to live in a society where rape and murder happens on the daily. Something tells me that we wouldn't get this far as a species if human nature was so.
I believe that private defense companies representing 99,9% of people would be able to bigger guns than a pack of raiding Cleetuses.
Literally the only redeeming quality of ancap is that it glorifies heroic man.
>>75255076
>not letting anyone steal my money or property is forcing my opinions on everyone
huuuuurrrrrrr
>>75255256
>believe, believe
can you use any objective truths or is it just "it works in my head"?
>>75251103
Are you an open borders libertarian?
>>75251182
second post best post
>>75254819
Then you seize the Iron Throne and declare yourself Warlord of Kentucky.
It'll be glorious.
>>75255256
>I believe that private defense companies representing 99,9% of people would be able to bigger guns than a pack of raiding Cleetuses.
Great job fucktard, you just reinvented the social contract.
>>75255375
yes, you want to force people to operate your way
also
>not seeing how taxation corelates with having access to health care and other benefits
so, abolish people that provide you shit for money just to have different people provide you shit for money
>>75255076
the basis for the ancap theory is that everyone owns their own bodies and that forcing someone to do something is claiming proprietary rights in their body = slavery.
do you really want to say that when ancaps claim that we are all independent beings, they are in fact enslaving other people and are being immoral? When the whites abolishes slavery, did they in fact enslave blacks by forcing them to be free?
what if i need gf, will you provide? i am black i can give her big dick
>>75255689
you refeered to morality twice in this post, lemme ask you something.
what if i have different fucking morality, huh?
thats how objectivism works, and you cant prove ancap good whilst being objective at the same time.
>>75255384
sorry, I dont have any polls with the question "do you like murder and rape" on me at the moment, I hereby withdraw my comment. please accept my apology, mr. science man.
>>75255332
it doesn't
>>75255397
if someone wants someone else from africa to come over and stay with them, it's their business.
>>75255765
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>>75255397
>open borders libertarian
state borders are artificial and arbitrary. The state doesnt respect property rights in most other ways. You can weigh all the property rights violations refugees and immigrants cause against borders being open but that doesnt change that ancaps should not support closed state borders. The solution is respecting property rights in other areas. Like getting rid of the welfare state so you dont get scum that wants to live of stolen money. Abolish minimum wage and work permits, make it easier to start a company so people that do come have the possibility to make their own. Actually enforce punishment against refugees(and others) who violate rights.
>>75255830
You're thinking of absolutism, not objectivism. Also relativism is for suckers
>>75255830
You and like-minded people would be free to form your own community where rape and murder would be legal.
>>75252950
>>75252921
Somalia is a failed state full of niggers. Baboons don't need to pay taxes either, but you see where I'm going
>>75252950
You do know firemen are fucking useless without municipal waterlines and roads right? A 2,000 tanker is literally pissing into the wind on anything above a medium sized house being on fire.
>>75253316
>Free trade makes monopolies
>Not protectionism which protects domestic monopolies
>>75256626
fuck, an unavoidable problem that cannot be possibly solved by voluntary cooperation within a community. Alright boys, the jig is up, fill in those tax forms.
>>75257006
>>75257006
You do know a basic engine is at least million dollar investment?
And that volunteer companies get paid in tax dollars right?
Do you have any experience outside of shitposting?
How do you defend from a foreign aggressive state?
>>75251145
Hello?
>>75253252
Yea realize that there is no policing that policy of yours
Government came into existance from anarchy at some point
Why wouldn't it just do so again? And more quickly?
>>75257256
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l91ISfcuzDw
wow, how do we even afford firemen? they must be like 80% of our national GDP, no?
>>75254792
Err no, the Libertarian movement encompasses anarchist (aka ancap), minarchist and """conservative""" libertarians.
>>75251103
How old were you when you were dropped on your head?
How old are you now?
>>75257503
Libertarian, objectivists, minarchists and ancaps are brother in arms for reducing the size of the State, that's true. But if you unapologetically reject the idea of a State being necessary, you'll meet quite a lot of resistance from non-ancaps.
>>75257316
>"hey, there is an aggressive State that wants to kill us all"
>"sooo you guys wanna buy guns or do you wanna pay our private defence company a little extra so they can take care of it?"
>"I don't care, whatever it takes to make those niggers go away"
anyway, if states are so perfect, why would they want to attack other people? Isn't that an argument against States?
>>75253316
>free trade = monopolies
This is how leftists think
Name one monopoly that stemmed from free trade
>>75251103
Do you want to have me shot?
>>75256019
>Actually enforce punishment against refugees(and others) who violate rights.
How do you do this without a state or similar authority? You ancaps are retards.
>>75257792
>why would they want to attack other people?
Because there's free resources and money waiting to be taken.
So if your argument is JUST PAY THEM LOL, who is going to print money?
>>75257792
>anyway, if states are so perfect, why would they want to attack other people? Isn't that an argument against States?
Nobody ever said states were perfect but they're fundamentally better than the filthy degeneracy you autists espouse. There's a reason humans build order from chaos you know, it works.
>>75257792
>isn't that an argument against states
Yes, but your basically saying
>isn't saying you need a gun an argument against niggers
Niggers exist, violent aggressor states exist as well. You can't just ignore them
>>75257814
Leftists don't deal in time though
If a monopoly exists period, it's unacceptable. Even if the free market would kill it anyway.
Monopolies aren't inherently bad m8
>>75257464
I believe you've read the entire thread by now so I don't have to asnwer.
>>75257850
>Because there's free resources and money waiting to be taken
wow, it's almost as if States were naturally evil and immoral :^)
>So if your argument is JUST PAY THEM LOL, who is going to print money
me :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
>>75258118
That's a great argument champ, but I don't care what you think of states, even if they're "evil and immoral". They're here, your shitty ancap wetdream isn't.
Might makes right and you're stuck in your mom's house because she voluntarily cooperates with your disappointing genetically dead ended ass.
>>75253122
>No need when trading becomes a millions times more profitable than crime
What about the low-IQ people who cannot see the long term consequences/are too stupid to produce anything of value that currently inhabit essentially every developed nation on the planet?
I'm ancap too, by the way. I've thought about this for a while, and it just seems like there will inevitably be large scale violence in the transitional period for socialist countries becoming free market ones. Of course, idiots will eventually self-deport, but just I can't see them giving up their gibs without a fight.
>>75258031
ok, fair enough. I did answer the question though.
>>75258215
I used to be an anarcho-capitalist, but after studying economics I have to admit that the Austrian school makes very little sense. I'm still very liberal with regards to civil and economic freedom, but post-Keynesianism is the true redpill.
>>75253122
look, guys, this is b8
>>75253661
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xeer
>>75253917
>Yeah, that 19 century wuz bad
Compared to what? Feudalism?
>>75254495
Libertarianism is all about borders
>>75259193
Kid has a right to run away to better parents and parents dont have a right to hold kid in captivity. Checkm8, st8ist
>>75258919
David Friedman discusses similar Icelandic customs in his book Machinery of Freedom.
http://daviddfriedman.com/The_Machinery_of_Freedom_.pdf
A long argument between David and someone else on Iceland.
http://daviddfriedman.com/Libertarian/My_Posts/Iceland_Anarch_FAQ1_reply.html
http://daviddfriedman.com/Libertarian/My_Posts/Iceland_Anarch_FAQ2_reply.html
The Enterprise of Law: Justice Without the State
http://www.libertarianismo.org/livros/teolbb.pdf
>>75254181
Road owners will issue rules, for example NO DRUNK DRIVING
>>75251103
How do you deal with niggers chimping out? Or any other form of crime/assault/theft?
>>75253917
>15 hours a day in rhe factory
>as opposed to dying in the fields
Is the greatest irony that moral relativists don't understand historical reletivism?
>>75259461
>assault
Defend yourself with your guns and your friends or call your private defence agency
>>75259349
Thanks for the links, bongbro
>>75259461
Private security firms, private courts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTYkdEU_B4o
>>75254181
There's nothing to prevent if the dad doesn't do anything wrong
If the dad is that irresponsible laws won't help
And drunk driving laws haven't driven down rates of drunk driving
Seatbelt laws have increased pedestrian fatalities and accident (though obviously this isn't 100% provable)
>>75251103
Do you suck cocks?
>>75259686
>>75259441
>>75259336
shooo shooo filthy Jew
>>75259951
Wow, great arguement there, nigger mountain
>>75259951
Well meme'd
*tips swastika*
>>75255017
There are sausage shops, clothing shops, car shops. There should be an overarching body to organise all this, we'll call it Gosplan
>>75257551
A state can support a nation, Mad Max society can't, it will default back to a heavily centralized state.
>>75255532
>so, abolish people that provide you shit for money just to have different people provide you shit for money
The difference is first ones coerce me to by their services.
>>75260478
Define nation, derine supporting a nation
>>75256182
We already did, it was legal as long as it was Czechs getting raped.
>>75259668
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