Redpill me on anarcho-capitalism pol
No memes pls
>>75171974
It's fucking retarded
>duh privatize the roads
>get rid of the entire gubbermint!
>regulation is for bootlickers!
>>75171974
Hunger games dystopian fantasy world.
>>75171974
RARE
>>75172641
Isn't private sector more efficient than gov bureaucracy?
>>75172749
no memes
>>75172797
newfag
>>75172871
>Isn't private sector more efficient than gov bureaucracy?
Not at all. Look up Chomsky and get back to me.
>>75171974
Eastern Europe in the 1990s
>>75171974
You literally cannot make an argument that disputes it.
>>75172899
>no memes
See pic. This is what anarcho-cap leads to.
>>75171974
>no memes
>posts the snek
>>75171974
>No memes pls
sorry
>>75172926
So you're saying that people whose best interest is to earn money are worse at doing something than some uninterested lazy fucks that sit in the office and want to get home asap?
>>75172998
>>75173104
>>75173167
not an argument
>>75171974
>>75173334
If anarcho-cap works why is no other country other than Somalia a anarcho-cap society?
Let me give you an example:
USA is the only developed nation with universal healthcare. USA has the highest cost per capita spending on healthcare in the world, with some of the worst results. That's all because of the inefficiencies of the insurance industry system we have for healthcare in this country.
>>75173623
Somalia is not ancap....where do you guys keep getting this?
ancap does not equal anarchy. I do understand there is no codified example of what is each minor government alignment.
But Somalia is a failed state, they do currently have a government, its closer to a theocracy than anything else.
>>75173623
Healthcare is also one of the most government regulated sectors of the US economy
>>75173872
>But Somalia is a failed state, they do currently have a government, its closer to a theocracy than anything else.
Amerifat education.
Go back to eating burgers.
>>75173933
>Healthcare is also one of the most government regulated sectors of the US economy
And if we had a single payer healthcare, the cronyism in our system with disappear.
Anarchocapitalism has been done thousands of times throughout history. We just called it feudalism.
>>75174041
>We just called it feudalism.
This guy gets it. Government is the only thing preventing feudalism from taking over.
it's the fedora of governments
>>75173967
http://www.loc.gov/law/foreign-news/article/somalia-sharia-law/
Yeah, your education is fucking terrible, you can't even do a basic google search.
Look I get it, the Somalia you've created in your imagination allows you to instantly dispel all counter arguments, but that Somalia doesn't exist.
>>75174121
>>75174041
>le feudalism is ancap meme
>>75174188
>somalia-sharia-law
That's not done by a centralized state though. That's done at the individual level. When you get rid of government, the thing that replaces it is religious law.
Anarcho-cap society is basically just a theocracy. ISIS is the most libertarian society on the planet.
See Somalia
>>75173623
you're using a country in which the average IQ is 68 as an example. Therefore not an argument.
>>75173167
What do you have against dildos?
>>75174448
>Leaf
>>75174315
You can live in your disillusioned world. You are basically assigning whatever political ideology you hate to whatever is most expedient to you.
Logic is bereft from your reality.
>>75174389
>you're using a country in which the average IQ is 68 as an example. Therefore not an argument.
Again how does the IQ matter at all? There is no centralized state in Somalia. People have free access to weapons of whatever they want. No taxes.
Sounds like a libertarian paradise to me. I thought you all liked that stuff? Oh but it wasn't "real" libertarian society right?
What is real libertairanism if it's not a theocratic feudal shit hole out of the Hunger Games.
>>75174584
One last thing before I am done with you.
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/somalia/sales-tax-rate
Somalia has had taxes since 2014.
>>75174556
>You are basically assigning whatever political ideology you hate to whatever is most expedient to you.
How is anything I said wrong?
The people who support anarcho-cap society are religious lunatics. That's a fact. Like those Bundy fucks in Nevada. These are anarcho-cap Ayn Rand cultists.
>>75174693
>Somalia has had taxes since 2014.
Are they enforced?
That's the key fucking point. Is any of that enforced?
>>75174041
At least on the paper feudalism had some sort of social role and people had the religion to at least mold their ethics.
But now, the only thing out here to mold our ethics is money.
>>75174584
>Again how does the IQ matter at all
Seriously? They would be classified as legit morons in the West. So IQ DOES matter.
>>75174584
Somalia improved economically at a higher rate than its neighboring countries since its dictatorship collapsed. Having no government served that country better than the government that preceded it.
Belgium went without a federal government for almost two years during the economic collapse, and performed better than comparable European countries at the time.
Somalia was an islamic-socialist soviet union satellite for a good part of the XX century. Without government, its HDI grew faster than neighbor countries, nowadays it has a government again.
In the past decades, Somalia has followed socialist formulas leading to inflation, currency control, yadda yadda, the same as Venezuela is suffering today.
After its government collapse, government generals became warlords to enforce their own kind of law, Somalia actually was split into multiple states fighting for control of the whole thing.
Saying Somalia is anarcho-capitalist, when anarcho-capitalism is based around the NAP, is pretty fucking retarded.
>>75174866
Again still not addressing what I said in the post, only deflecting.
>>75175313
>Saying Somalia is anarcho-capitalist, when anarcho-capitalism is based around the NAP, is pretty fucking retarded.
IT WASN'T REAL LIBERTAINISM
What is real liberatanism?
What is it like? Theocracy? Feudalism? Slavery? Hunger Games?
>>75173334
>people who are unmotivated and just want to finish the day
Sounds like your typical office worker.
>>75175370
You can't let morons do whatever they want. LEt alone give them weapons.
I'm as libertarian as the next guy but...
There is nothing stopping an imperialist nation from invading
The Momentary system would be unstable
Courts would be untrustworthy (I don't care how much free market incentives encourage ethical practice. If you could have a court entity forcibly take property through lawsuits, highest bidder arbitration will still be a leading cause of court corruption)
Without government, property ownership would be vary arbitrary
A limited confederacy is the most effective way in protecting Liberty
>>75171974
It's retarded. Minarchism hoever is works.
>>75171974
Better than any and all kinds of socialism.
>>75171974
I believe in capitalism, not so in this anarchist kek kek capitalism.
You seem to think that these are the same. But if you want to ask a thing from a nationalistic capitalist, Do feel free.
>>75176046
>There is nothing stopping an imperialist nation from invading
Private armies, mercenaries
>Courts would be untrustworthy
"Anarcho-capitalists counter that this argument is circular, because monopolies are artificial constructs that can only be maintained by political immunity to natural market processes, or by perpetual provision of superior quality products and services. Unless competitors are prevented from entering a market, the profit incentive, which is fueled by constant demand for improvement, proportionately draws them into it. Furthermore, as demonstrated by the medieval systems in Ireland and Iceland, treating the right to justice as a property means that it is sold - not purchased - by victims."
>Without government, property ownership would be vary arbitrary
NAP
>>75175139
>Belgium went without a federal government for almost two years during the economic collapse, and performed better than comparable European countries at the time.
This was during the €uro crisis. I don't usually support laissez-faire -policies when it comes to deregulating on grander scale but when there is a sudden economic fluxuations the wisest policy is usually to do absolutely nothing and see if the economy will fix it's self as it usually does. Implementing economic policies and cuts while panicking is in all likelihood the worst possible thing to do which is exactly what the rest of euro-zone did and why their pretty much fucked while those who did nothing bounced their economies pretty much back to their previous levels or even started growing.
Don't try to fix it if ain't broken.
>>75176120
>>75176277
>>75176170
literally not an argument
>>75176277
I'll bite, what's "nationalistic capitalist"?
>>75175830
Well, are we talking about libertarianism or anarcho-capitalism, make up your mind.
For libertarianism, private property must be protected and contracts respected, neither of those happen in Somalia. Libertarians (minarchists) believe the state must take care of that and exclusively of that.
For anarcho-capitalists, the NAP must be respected, now, in order to achieve a society where the NAP is respected the economy must be either prosper to begin with, or at least let it act for a couple of decades if the country wasn't prosper initially. Obviously, if Maduro died tomorrow and Venezuela became an anarcho-capitalist country, you wouldn't be able to say that their demise is anarcho-capitalism's fault. Somalia inherited shit from the time they had a state, and turning shit into gold takes fucking centuries of progress, and it certainly can't happen if every time the country begins progressing a new state forms. Somalians are not anarcho-capitalists, they are thieves and communists fighting each other, quite difficult to build an anarcho-capitalist country when nobody in the country even knows what it is.
>>75172871
Yes it is. Even if the private sector was only as efficient as government, government still needs to pay the bureaucracy as well as whatever private company is contracted for the job.
Also, since the cost to government is socialized, there is no incentive to save money or choose the best company for the job.
Oh, and if government sinks millions into a worthless project, the government simply continues going into debt, and cannot therefore be outnumbered by a more efficient body.
>>75172926
This faggot doesn't know what he's talking about, and Chomsky is the biggest fucking cuck known to man.
Let me know if I got anything wrong
>>75177306
out competed*
>>75171974
>libertarianism =/= anarcho capitalism
fuck off
Mmmmmm
>>75171974
feudalism
>>75176861
>private armies and mercenaries
A free market wouldn't have enough incentive to raise/train an army great enough to fight an imperial force and companies within the ancap society would likely invest in the imperial force to expand profits
>NAP
Also arbitrary. NAP is a good principle to base laws off of but not not effective if not backed by a central authority
>>75176940
>I'll bite, what's "nationalistic capitalist"?
Say, buy electricity from finnish companies. instead of importing gas from Putin's Russia.
>>75176861
>any court system
>not backed by political immunity
>>75176861
>medieval systems in Ireland and Iceland
>comparable with modern day arbitration
>>75177778
>A free market wouldn't have enough incentive to raise/train an army great enough to fight an imperial force
Neither would a state in most cases. There are a shitload of countries that could come knocking tomorrow in here and invade, yet for some reason it's not happening.
Pretty sure that if we were allowed to have guns we would offer way more resistance than with a state.
Besides, saying that free market doesn't have enough incentive to raise an army...have some altercation or a threat from another country and see how I become the richest man in ancapistan.
>Also arbitrary. NAP is a good principle to base laws off of but not not effective if not backed by a central authority
Why?
>>75178356
I'm pretty sure Malta is protected by the UN. Ancapistan would not seek such protection as they would not have a representative body and that the UN would require citizens of Ancapistan to play by their rules since Ancapistan would have not soverenty.
Nobody is required to live under the NAP principle so a society of pirates and criminals could form a society parallel to the rest of Ancapistan. NAP would not be universally accepted unless there was some universal power that recognized and upheld it.
>>75179295
No*
>>75174584
Libertarianism encompasses a whole variety of political ideologies btw (not just ancap)
>>75179295
Nap would be great if we just say Georgia and Ukraine was something the fucking russians deaät with it.
>>75174121
>implying the government isn't the feudal Lord
>>75171974
>anarcho-capitalists will never, ever be able to refute this
>>75171974
How well can your identify arguments?
>>75179680
What are you advocating for? I think there is a communication error.
>>75179295
UN intervenes everywhere in the world against threats, a country invading a peaceful country is a threat to everyone.
>Nobody is required to live under the NAP principle
This is false, in anarcho capitalism, private law enforcement companies set up competing law frames, the decentralization leads to optimization, and the most optimal one is as always the NAP because it allows for a bigger prosperity.
Anyone living outside of law frames or being part of a minor law company is called an outlaw, and they are totally unprotected against theft and other crimes.
A society of pirates and criminals could try to form, but private companies would defend their customers and their resources would be way bigger, criminals are always small-time, if you can organize enough power to subject a country to your force, you'd probably be richer using those efforts and management skills in trying to serve society in the free market. If a company forced you to buy their burgers, McDonalds would come and rape their asses because serving society is more profitable than being a tyrant against them.,
>>75173104
>>75173474
>>75179988
#Maga
I vouch for Trump vs Hillary debate.
>>75173872
>ancap does not equal anarchy.
DUDE IT EVEN HAS ANARCHO IN ITS NAME.
>>75180512
It also has capitalism, and capitalism needs private property and contracts respected to happen.
>>75171974
asking for actual knowledge on any topic on a homosexual indonesian slave trading sight
just
>>75171974
Because its is Based on Nature way of making things that works for BILLIONS of Years ! and it is called ANARCHY starting with the letter A like ACE !
>>75179713
Government is a feudal lord you get to re-elect him or elect a new feudal lord. This is democracy.
In anarcho-capitalism you won't have possibility to do even that. Same with libertarism.
>>75171974
But it is impossible for the moment cause you all so fucking dumb and degenerate we cannot implement it without a total whipeout of the human race..sorry try DIRECT DEMOCRACY 2.0 NOW !!!
>>75180991
Didn't you make a criminal case from a man disagreeing with feminists?
I kind of want to agree with you, but seriously. What the fuck.
>>75180226
Oh god who seriously believe in this.
Do libertarian really think people are reasonable, have you see how many obese there is in usa?
It's not on your best interest to be so fat but a majority choose that way.
W-Why? I thought people always do what it is in their best interest!
>>75180757
>sight
>>75171974
Anarchy is based on Chaos and Chaos is the god of gods.. Also called Entropy it is the foundation of every and all systems..
>>75174371
it's actually failed communist state
>>75181396
You have a limited optic bias .. you need to see things from out of the box Anarchy are not for dumb peoples Anarchy are for highly educated peoples who go outside of there home some time to see the world as it is..
>>75181164
In libertarianism you quit your job and go work for another company, voluntarily. In Ancap you do the same but you keep all your money because no taxes and you only pay for what you need
>>75181412
How much of that obesity is caused by government programs enabling them and government intervention in health-care providers forcing them to socialize costs between their customers?
The moment you realize being fat is killing you and there's no safety net, you change or die, but with government you don't need to change.
Anarchy is just a term to let people know that you are ignorant about politics and basic human nature.
>>75181485
>Anarchism is good
> Entropy means all degenerate is good.
What. I don't even believe the higher power,
but you want to fuck him up too.
>>75181901
>How much of that obesity is caused by government programs enabling them and government intervention in health-care providers forcing them to socialize costs between their customers?
Zero or close.(in fact gov program permit to reduce the obese %)
Most people have a job and a assurance in usa.
What is your point i don't understand.
I said people are unable to know what is good for them
>>75181950
Always depend on your Optic .. if you think GOD is a living being like you and me you may be desapointed.. GOD is a frequency like a radio frequency a sinusoidal wave length.. Probably something similar to the golden ratio .. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNC8zoO6QhA
>Anarcho-Capitalism
>not a total oxymoron
>>75179905
Bad NAP interpretation. NAP derives parental obligation in the same way a person is obligated to minimize the harm done to another person they have unintentionally made vulnerable. Ex.: If you, an immune carrier of a life-threatening disease , verifiably passed it on to another person by your own action, you would be obligated to provide care for that person until his life is no longer in jeopardy. Otherwise, your aggressions keep stacking. Same thing goes with parents: If, by your own actions, you create an innately dependent situation for a person by bringing them into world, then you are obligated to care for them until they are capable of surviving independently.
>>75181950
GOD is a fucking Tone generator !
>>75171974
>no memes
buddy you've come to the wrong place
>>75181777
That is hardly good. Though what I thing is that there is no reason of god or not god.
There can be a god that literally shows up to me and then all I can do is to see which god is it. Looks like Shiva, but not enough hands maybe Yahwe
Actually the yahweh is a massacre. And a god kills all the humanity tooo.
and I a cunt for believing humans are good people.
>>75181845
>In libertarianism you quit your job and go work for another company, voluntarily.
You can always find another place to live, voluntarily and if someone is willing to employ you.
>In Ancap you do the same but you keep all your money because no taxes and you only pay for what you need
Until they decide to pay you less or what you need is priced out of your reach. And then again your living on someone elses property which means that you'll have to do what he says even if it means that you'll have to pay for leaving..
Libertarians and AnCaps always criticize governments for acting like a mafia while not grasping that this is why they are so successful. They blackmail you for protection and will sometimes care for you in hopes of making you into money milking cow just like companies and criminal organisations.
And once again the only difference to any other system is that you get to elect the fucker who leads this feudal mafia.
>>75171974
Shamefully I used to be one.
I've realized that its ridiculous, hard-line, uncompromising ideological doctrine is for the most part absurd. AnCaps consistently allege that government can do no good at all, because it's government.
Unfortunately, this ideological slant has bled over into mainstream libertarianism, making it retarded.
>>75180226
>UN intervines everywhere everywhere against threats
This still means that Ancapistan must still be maintained by governments and if they require consistent military aid from the UN, then the citizens of Ancapistan would simply be living under an indirect confederacy.
The implication of an "optimal" law enforcement system implies that there is a possibility for a centeralized law enforcement system (I.e. A state). Also, the fact that there would be different law enforcement system that protects people from a pirate society sounds awfully similar to the appeals feudalism had after Rome fell (sorry to use the feudalism meme but it seems awfully similar in this instance).
Question: where is a law enforcement agencie's jurisdiction? Is it a patch of land that consists of the private property of the firms that adhere to it or is it just a mixture individuals/firms that claim to be part of different law systems (and somehow co-exist)?
>>75182918
Human are nether good or bad this is purely a human concept like time and space an mathematics it a tool for survival..
What do you guys think of based Bill Whittle?
Is he red pilled?
>>75171974
Just saying ..
>>75177061
>For anarcho-capitalists, the NAP must be respected,
What the fuck is NAP? How the hell would that even work? You cannot apply a ridged ideological dogma to every single instance in your life. What if someone is rape? Oh well I can't do anything because NAP. It falls a fucking part.
>>75183104
>I've realized that its ridiculous, hard-line, uncompromising ideological doctrine is for the most part absurd
AnCaps and libertarians are just autists who wish to have economic power over others since they are too socially awkward to do so via politics.
>>75184143
Direct democracy is pretty gross
>>75183750
You need to throw me a link.
>>75183104
The government can do no good because it can only accomplish its ends via violence and coercion.
Human civilization has progressed by replacing violent interactions with cooperative ones. There is not one single function of the state that cannot be better performed by a cooperative marketplace
anarcho-caps are atheists right?
>>75184459
www.google.com
I got u senpai
>>75181845
Existem destes animais em Portugal? Não queres ir lamber as botas do Jeronimo Martins e o Belmiro de Azevedo?
>>75184528
>muh feels, the post
> There is not one single function of the state that cannot be better performed by a cooperative marketplace
History shows otherwise. USA healthcare industry is the most costfull in the world per capita, and yet only obtains above average results.
>>75184554
Well they aren't christians either since the very idea of a anarcho-communist communities like the proto-church is a abomination to them.
Also render onto Ceasar is not even a option nor is paying your tithes.
>>75171974
So fascist NATO in Montenegro .. watch out not to lose your sovereignty.. you may experienced Representative Democracy in all is might ! https://www.rt.com/op-edge/344496-nato-montenegro-security-barbarossa/
Anarchism and capitalism are mutually exclusive. AnCap is an oxymoron.
>>75185013
True. Modern day capitalism needs a entity responsible with wealth redistribution.
>>75184382
Why is that you a uneducated lazy fuck who ; "I just do my job" ? you dont want to implicate yourself in your own fucking business for a change ?! you prefer to pay representative to do your fucking job and fuck you in the ass in the process ? You love to pay taxes right ? .. I said DIRECT DEMOCRACY 2.0 NOW ! until you read a fucking book for once in your life so we can move forward to full fledged Anarchy !
>>75184886
>Also render onto Ceasar is not even a option nor is paying your tithes.
Basically every religion thought human history is statist or been endorsed as a state religion.
So atheist.
>>75174768
Yeah where they can, no large enterprises can exist because they don't go under the radar. Go fuck yourself statist.
>>75185373
>you dont want to implicate yourself in your own fucking business for a change ?!
> you prefer to pay representative to do your fucking job and fuck you in the ass in the process ?
>You love to pay taxes right ? .. I said DIRECT DEMOCRACY 2.0 NOW !
So you are a socialist?
>>75185588
I am a peaceful Fascist actually .. fed up will all you morons who dont understand shit about systemics..
2 things that make anarchocapitalism retarded
1. Privatizing law
2. No national defense
Basic roles of government. But they are retarded and think muh NAP works. If so, the NAP would need to be enforced, since nobody is forced to agree with that on an anarchy, neither capitalism.
>>75185765
>>American individualist anarchist
>>1887
PLEASE dont make me laugh !
>>75186082
anarcho-capitalism would only work if literally everyone was anarcho-capitalist
same with pretty much every other anarcho-meme
>>75186208
>collectivist
>anarchist
I'm pretty sure "individualist anarchism" redundant
>>75186250
This
>>75186250
I wouldn't say everyone, but a great amount (let's say an arbitrary 80%), which is basically an autist's dream
>>75186506
well its your source .. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysander_Spooner
>>75186636
it's called being idealistic
>>75184867
Nothing in the US health care system if free market. Its hands down the most regulated industry in this country. You can't pin the failure of the US healthcare system on capitalists, because it has been capitalists every step of the way warning that each new healthcare law was only making things worse
Before the state got really involved in the 1960s, it was dirt cheap. Doctors posted prices on their office walls so you knew what you were paying for. Most everything was paid out of pocket. Those that still couldnt afford were taken care of pro bono. Insurance was only needed for major procedures. It was a fucking amazing system and the state ruined it with 5 decades of buerocracy.
>>75186636
Well if you start educating your low IQ peoples now maybe in a couple of thousand of years we may think about implementing it .. but you have to start now Brazil you are far behind ... You guyz are so fucking degenerate and violent it may take some time for you guyz..sorry
>>75187036
>Its hands down the most regulated industry in this country.
>>75171974
meme related
>>75187110
The only sector of the economy that rivals it would arguably be banking.
Health care is completely disfunctional because it is overidden with taxes, regulations, government-enforced monopolies, absurd licensing laws, a oligarchic insurance industry, the pricing mechanism has been destroying by entitlement programs. etc.etc. the list goes on. The state has tried to run every aspect of healthcare and has failed miserably.
Prove me wrong faggot.
>>75187110
Then few usurping illuminated zionist signature later ..
>>75187036
>Its hands down the most regulated industry in this country.
Regulations written by the capitalists. We don't want more regulation, we want good regulation.
>You can't pin the failure of the US healthcare system on capitalists
lol, capitalists dindu nuffin
>>75187036
> involved in the 1960s, it was dirt cheap.
>comparing healthcare in the 60's to modern healthcare
This is why no one takes you guys seriously outside of whatever hugbox you come from
>>75188601
>we want good regulation.
this
>>75188705
How the fuck are you supposed to make emperical conclusions without making comparisons? We had relatively free market care. People had access to the best healthcare in the world for the best prices in the world. In the mid 60s Lyndon Johnson decided that we needed to make a "great society" so he pushed through medicare and medicaid. Gave a shit ton of power to executive agencies like the FDA. Regulated the shit out of the practice so doctors have to work with corrupt organizations like the AMA and the AHA.
Unsurprisingly, costs went up. Access went down. Innovation slowed. Its an objective conclusion that LBJ's policies failed. And ever since then the government has been trying to "fix" things by layering on even more laws. Obamacare was the latest interation of this and it has been DISASTEROUS. Premiums have doubled or trippled. Even quadrupled for some people. This is exactly what free market advocates warned would happen. Its fucking insanity at this point. How many more failed laws do you need to see before you realize that the system was more functional before. How is it not rational to compare two systems and see what one was better?
>>75184886
>since the very idea of a anarcho-communist communities like the proto-church is a abomination to them.
not an argument. "jesus was a peacenik communist meme" is a bit stale.
>>75188601
Youre the retard that implied US healthcare was free market as a refutation to ancap. Clearly its not free market, so clearly its not a refutation.
Not going to let you cop out of the original discussion so do you have any other examples of free markets allegedly doing worse than with the government?
