What does /pol/ think about Universal Basic Income?
To me, it seems inevitable, and a step in the right direction. Jobs are being eliminated due to automation at an ever increasing rate, and the class of people who have no marketable skills will only grow as time goes on. And it's not like they're lazy or particularily dumb, a truck/bus driver has been a necessary and useful job thus far, but it'll soon be mostly obsolete. There just won't be enough jobs to go around.
But I also feel like this is only a stopgap measure and might not work in capitalism. How can we guarantee that the market won't adjust in a way that makes it impossible again to live only on UBI?
Transhumanism is the answer. We must become an undying species that cast off our physical forms and live as machines/data in the new automated utopia. Being brains in a jar sounds awesome.
We'd keep a few million proles around to continue breeding just to keep a viable supply of human genetic data/ worker slaves.
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>>75167899
We'll first have to deal with the unrest of millions of people who are suddenly "not good enough" to feed themselves or contribute to society
>>75167741
>this meme again
Universal income = death of incentive = stagnation and decay
>>75167899
Transhumanist reporting in. Theres a bit more to that but yeah b-brains in jars..awesome..
Personally I want to be a 9 foot immortal bionic dragon so all your womens can be SCALED.
>>75167741
When automation and AI will sufficiently advance, the excess humans will be simply killed off one way or another leaving only elites and the highly educated specialists that can't be immediately replaced.
>>75168870
This x7billion.
>>75167741
not happening any time soon
council on foreign relations estimates it will be at least 50 years before economic conditions change enough that this becomes something to consider seriously
You get less of what you tax, and more of what you subsidize.
Taxing productivity and massively subsidizing inactivity will instantly begin a shift. The likely results will be:
1. More commercial activity gets pushed into black and grey markets
2. Traditionally productive individuals ("the rich who pay for all this") will produce less
3. The workers on the lower end will work less or not at all
4. The "takers" will breed without restriction or economic consideration
I know for a fact that a basic income would make me lose 1/3 of my staff instantly and probably mean closing the doors. The risk/reward equation is already precarious.
>>75168589
Were already witnessing the death of incentive since meanial jobs are dissapearing which werent paying a living wage in the first place forcing people to take out welfare supplements.
UBI can allow us to erase Obamacare, Social Security, Food Stamps and Welfare. In fact, UBI is cheaper in the long run, not to mention solving poverty will solve crime since most crimes are poverty driven. Hence why people who are financially secure commit less of them. This will enable people to prepare themselves for life as a citizen of teh future. Dont believe the incentive bullshit. People will still follow goals, likely goals they are actually good at and not meaningless burger flipping.
>>75168589
Sure, I agree with you, there will be a whole bunch of freeloaders. But is there a better option? If you provide a normal life for an ocean of freeloaders, there's bound to be some useful individuals among them. More than you'd get when pushing them into ghettoes without proper food or education, that's for sure.
the unemployment period is just a phase, people will adapt and learn new jobs suited for automation era. People were afraid the same thing during the industrial revolution
>>75169065
What they neglect to understand is progress compounds on progress making change exponential and not linear. They need to revise those estimates. 2020s-2030s will be make or break. If we keep sucking the dick of neoliberalist economics then China will have RICED us completely by 2100 because faggots like you have this religious attachment to a dying 19th century economic paradigm.
>>75168589
There won't be people to buy your innovative god-like product in the future. Can't you understand that? Most jobs will be done by bots. There is no escape, UBI is inevitable.
>>75169133
You kill them. This is the inevitable end to the meme. When technology makes man obsolete, man will be put away with. I know your soft liberal heart can't stand this notion, but it is the truth, and there is absolutely nothing that can be done about it.
>>75169125
Look up Stanford University professor in-class socialism experiment. When you eliminate competition by forced average equality, everyone stops working as hard.
>>75169526
It's fine, you just eliminate the obsolete people and progress continues.
>>75169136
Progress was slow during the industrial revolution, and people were able to adapt. You won't be able to make a 40 year old assembly plant worker into a programmer or an engineer.
Universal basic income is a retarded concept that is not even mathematically possible.
>>75169761
>world economy = sample of retarded fat liberal cucked meriburgers living with their moms and "studying" in a institution for retarded pieces of shit disguised as university
You are beyond salvation
>>75167899
You sound like Brave New World.
>>75168589
Doesn't happen in Norway. I think you're underestimating how much people strive to make more money
>>75169896
so you will need few generations to adapt, and considering the fact that in the automaton era everything will become cheaper it will be affordable to implement some basic income during that period
>>75169827
"""""""obosolete""""""""""" and """""""""progress""""""""
compared to what?
and progress to what?
>>75167741
There are two options once you reach the hard economic tipping point:
>Ban automation of most jobs
>Kill everyone who becomes obsolete
Pick one and only one.
>>75169827
Who will buy your product if you kill your consumer?
>>75170312
>>75169633
>>75169827
That's just dumb. Why would we need to kill people just because they don't work?
We have the resources to support them, it's not like the robots are eating their share or something.
>>75170374
Less demand = less production
Things will even themselves out.
>>75167741
its getting voted next month in here
>>75170288
Obsolescence is non-comparable. It either is or isnt.
Progress toward the end-game: Interstellar colonialization.
Will people do the math on shit like this before considering it. Same with free college for everyone. Calculate how much it would cost and compare it to the amount of money available to tax. You have to remember that the cost will go up andbthe amount of money available will go down once this shit gets implemented.
>>75168633
>>75167899
>>75169133
>>75169099
>>75169633
>>75170277
>>75170288
This is now a Kek thread.
Kek is salvation.
Kek is future.
>>75170584
that a boring and useless end-game...
being obsolete implies there is a standard to be compared to... a purpose to fulffil
>>75170288
The majority of goyim nowadays exist only to serve and provide for the top ruling elite class. Once they will no longer need the serfs because they will have robots that are much easier to make, use and control, they will be purged.
>>75170442
Because when you remove growth you only get decay. It is in the best interest to cull the heard. This I basic natural law when you begin dealing with overpopulation. If a species if given an abundance of food and no competition it reproduces until all the available resources are depleted, then it starves back to manageable population. This leads to culling being the only way to reasonably prevent resource depletion.
>>75170312
>mass automation causes untold resource bounties
>people can't access these bounties due to foundational flaws in the capitalist paradigm
>the solution is to genocide half the population
>>75169099
then find a way to make the jobs more appealing to your staff
>>75170873
might as well start with the niggers :^)
>>75170720
Yes, that purpose is to further progress to interstellar colonization. Tell me, what other end-game do you see for human civilization?
it would actually save money because you could cut all healthcare and education. and since people won't be forced to work in shitty conditions you could abolish the minimum wage and most work regulations as well. people will use their small salary to buy healthcare, education etc if they want to.
>>75170873
>doesn't understand the importance of competition in the context of supply and demand
Please see my other comments.
>>75167741
Its been the same story for fucking centuries.
>oh no the wheel is going to take our jobs
>oh no the slaves are going to replace all the jobs
>oh no the industrial revolution is going to remove the need for labor
>oh no computers and industrial robots are going to replace manufacturing
New jobs and fields always come from technological progress
>>75170991
you're end-game contradicts you're statement of removing the """"obsolete"""" and there is no end-game because there is no purpose, but I'd rather be an immortal brain in a jar wich is more likely to happen that intersellar colonization.
>>75170983
Well that sounds quite reasonable.
See >>75170873 ? It genocide can't be THAT bad.
>>75171015
And then you end up with a race of uneducated do-nothings who are valueless and simoly coblume resources. This is why they must be culled when they become obsolete.
>>75169136
Machines replaced physical labor in the 1800's. Computers are coming close to replacing mental labor now. This wave of automation is not the same as the last. Even if they can't fully replicate the human mind, they can do simple jobs, and they already are. What jobs will humans take once their brains are as inferior to computers as your muscles are to a bulldozer? Basic income is still retarded in the current day and this wave of socialism must die unless it transforms into National Socialism. It would be nice if the future was a utopia, though.
>>75171207
Should you live another 40 years, your eyes will be opened in regards to our capacity of interstellar travel. I'm not just spooking you, either. Well, slightly.
>>75171197
While this has been true historically, it, like Moore's Law, has started running into diminishing returns.
We're going to need to restructure our whole society because of automation, I think this is a decent idea.
>>75171355
>national socialism
if anything the automation era will bring a global socialism
>>75171457
>What is quantum computing
>>75171286
sterilization should be a requirement for signing up. it's the only way the system could work. the rich and genetically gifted don't need the money
>>75171543
Now you're getting it brother :)
>>75171407
Yeah I'm sure we'll be hitting light speed in 50 years buddy
Even traveling at a faster speed than we can right now it would still take generations to reach the nearest star
Don't really feel great about opening up wormholes anytime soon
>>75171407
you're delusional.
why in the world would we ever coloinze another planet? for recources? an astroid is easier to land and mine on than a planet with a 13 lightyears from here. Not to mention, who is going to colonize the planet? You already remove the obsolete people on earth, so everyone is needed on earth...
>>75171626
The current theories and some laws of physics will be cracked open and greatry expanded upon. I mentioned your mind and our capabilities. One does not know what they do not know.
>>75167741
UBI seems to be the excuse for NEET behaviour instead of improving upon your qualifications or choosing a different profession/education etc.
Jobs aren't being lost by automation, as much as jobs are being lost to other countries that are happy to take them..
Ofcourse the NEETS won't admit this and try to justify their NEET behaviour by saying "oh it's muh automation" "oh not enough jobs cuz of that".. If there were enough jobs for them.. they would simply find another excuse for their socialist/communist belief that working for a living is slavery, and that they should be paid and incentivized to sit on their arse.
Yes i see right through you.
TL;DR No to UBI, neets are already too many as it is.. especially immigrant neets..
>>75171725
You're thinking in terms of the now, and that is your limiting factor.
I was called delusional in the 80s when I openly discussed gene therapy, genetically modified pathogens, and nano-robotics, yet, here we are.
>>75171523
THIS.
We may be reaching peak technology under current systems. But those being developed will birth another age of technological growth, which will far outpace the upward trajectory of the one we are seeing the end of.
>>75171847
sad fact is that even in this day and age people for some reason still expect to be able to go out and get some manual labour job and never have to better themselves in life.
>>75171457
>comparing the creation of the wheel to the creation of computers that can perform mental tasks faster and more efficiently than humans
False equivalency. Machines performing physical tasks freed up humans to do more mentally intensive tasks. Will everyone become an artist or a computer scientist once desk jobs get taken away? Things won't always just be okay. Things have been accelerating at a crazy rate the past few hundred years.
It's so weird that most burgers in this thread can't comprehend anything besides capitalism, it's rooted so damn deep in you.
Why do you talk about supply and demand, in a simple humanitarian situation.
Disregard monetary value for a second.
Earth produces enough food and energy to support the human population. Suddenly, there's not enough room in the abstract economic framework we use becauss we are not in survival mode anymore.
Who the fuck is at fault here, the framework or the people?
>>75172034
>yet, here we are.
shitposting on a pedophile community forum, yes how far you have risen.
dont they have a time limit on how long you can occupy a computer in the mental asylum?
>>75170866
Truth bomb
>>75172316
>dismissing ideas instead of refuting them
How high upon the pyramid do we sit, anon?
>>75172065
Exactly.
All the automation stuff will do is switch the job market to different sectors and create new jobs that require different types of education or skillsets etc.
The future will be more educationally oriented and complex rather than jobs that require no to very little education to be able to do. That's the only thing that's going to change..
But NEETS fabricate it as some kind of doomsday cannon in order to justify them being NEETS.. This is why they always tie that argument together with calling for UBI.. cause what they really want is not to work and just sit on their ass getting paid with other peoples money the rest of their lives no matter what, and UBI if implemented is the ultimate guarantee for that.
NEET acceptance is already causing people with no money and no work getting massive amounts of kids that then Others have to frigging pay for aswell.. It has to stop very soon otherwise it's going off the deep end.. Because their NEET cash doesn't come out of thin air, it comes from the people who actually work for a living..
NEETS are like the ultimate parasite, i had a discussion in another thread about it earlier today where he actually called people who work "slaves/slave labour" that's how much these couch potatoes justify their own self entitled behaviour..
>>75170866
ok so we will just tell all those people they will die on their own I'm sure they will take it well and not resort to illegal things
>>75172827
comfortable enough to not being erased by your """"obsolete"""" theory
>>75172957
No, we will just use an engineered virus what we hold the vaccine for and give to select people (many unknowingly), and that will be that. They will never be told when they are going to be culled, but they will be.
>>75172587
No, it's just stupid.
In his system, you'll end up with increasingly fewer people, and all those machines that were built to eliminate forced labor are servicing less and less people.
How the fuck does that make sense?
Can someone explain how universal basic income makes any sense?
Where is this money coming from? If the government is giving you your income, therefore it's not taxed, how will they make the money to give people their income?
Also, won't the market just adjust to make UBI the new 0?
>>75173114
yes I'm sure no one will try and stop the murder of millions :^)
>>75173164
An obsolete machine ceases to utilize resources once it is retired, unlike humans.
>>75173241
Are you so sure? :^)
>>75170981
That is a stupid statement.
We need people to screw lids on things, run a machine that even a child can learn in 10 minutes, and place stickers on stuff.
We pay people $15/hr do do this work (way too much - it's probably worth $9.00. But we like to have a consistent staff and people who are friendly and nice to be around).
The only reason people do the work is that they need the $15/hr to get by.
I'm not going to pay someone $30/hr for screwing lids on things because prices would have to go up quite a bit and we'd be fucked sideways in one quarter. I'm not going to offer blowjobs in the breakroom either.
And don't say that they will be "bored" and happy to do the work on top of their free money. After all the extra taxes, the pay rate would probably end up being back down to $8/hr or so. The idea is complete bonkers
>>75173344
kill yourself moron
UBI is retarded as fuck. If it gets to the point where the majority of the population can't work, and this is permanent, why do you think these masses of useless people will be kept around?
>>75167741
It's a good idea. Everybody should be profiting from the welfare state, not just niggers, single moms and autists. It shouldn't be high enough to allow a comfortable existence off the dole of course (cut the current welfare payouts in half). Getting rid of neetbux centers that are useless bureaucratic pitholes will also help with the cost.
>>75172957
africa and middle east and other places have way too many kids, it's not really a secret.. Those places need a one child policy immediately.. Other nations are already using their breadbasket to feed these stupid incompetent NEETS and their too many children that they insist on having without themselves having the ability to provide for them..
West and europe on the other hand, should start having many more kids, cause the opposite is the case for them.. we have too few kids because we're concerned with bringing them up right, if we are good parents, how we're going to pay for them.. to not have too many to impact negatively our environment etc.
These faggot migrant neets just poop them out like a mass production facility, without even thinking about any of these things and barely care about them when they're out.. And then hold them up in front of other peoples faces and go "help muh poor child.. he needs halp" he needs a better fucking mother and father that's what he/she needs you stupid cunt..
Under no circumstances should these people be allowed to mass migrate to west or europe, simply because they managed to procreate like rats.. they made their bed now they must fix it or lay in it..
It's rough but there it is..
>>75167741
>automations guise
its not going to happen just because you saw some retarded neck beard video about it. The whole automation argument was started just last year.
I bet people in the Industrial revolution were also bitching about industrialization claiming it would end the worlds workforce. its not going to.
>>75173428
What do you think will happen with these people? Mass genocide of 6.5 billion?
>>75167741
It's a trap. The ideals of basic income are incredibly noble, but at what point do we just become the Proles? When you are dependent on government to survive you are not free. You are a slave.
Giving people free money doesn't help. What we need to do is reduce the cost of living without just artificially subsidizing things (and thus just kicking the cost down the road).
>>75173288
So what's the end goal here? Compete with robots for jobs until only one human is left?
I thought we could have the robots for all the boring stuff so humans could do things that we actually like?
>>75173582
> I am a high school dropout, the post
>>75173386
Morality is not universal, newfriend. If I can selectively recruit people with verified ideological viewpoints necessary to carry out these tasks, who then would stop us or even know what was happening?
>>75173611
UBI is communism/socialism lite.. creates dependence on the state.. and after a few generations of that.. the switch to the fullblown thing becomes way too easy, and then shit rolls down hill.. fast
>>75173646
you sound like teen with autism.
>>75173443
Your talking about communism. It doesn't work. How many times are you going to be tricked when they invent new words for things. Basic income is just communism. Communism is just slavery.
>>75171847
This.
>>75173611
It is a trap. If only our founding fathers knew how strong the desire to be slaves was.
>>75173637
The goal is to give our species enough legroom, so to speak, to accomplish interstellar colonization, at which point, people can breed back to reasonable population, under reformed conditions which will betier serve progress. This cycle fluctuates until we reach biological immortality (with supportable resource) for all. The human race is not a linear function.
>>75173768
Lel no. The USSR didn't have any sort of UBI. What it had instead, were useless "garbage pile projects" that ensured the 100% employment quota will be met.
>>75171847
for most people being NEET is not a choice.
>>75173756
More personal attacks instead of reasonable refutations. Please, continue shedding your brilliant light upon us.
>>75173584
No, but probably left to die. I just can't envision a future where 90% of the population doesn't work, has no purpose, which can sustain itself.
Why have money/income at all? Worked for Star Trek
people expect to much of people. someone working 40 hours rasing 3 kids is not going to magically better themselves. You can find some anect dotes. But thats not the real world for most people.
>>75174096
I have refuted your theory, you're just ignoring it
>>75167741
It would be a step in the right direction IF and ONLY IF ALL other forms of redistribution cease immediately.
Otherwise it's just adding relatively less shitty shit on top of a huge load of relatively more shitty shit, and hence, my friend, it is shit.
>>75174071
Neetdom shall be reduced, not encouraged with UBI. Currently, any neet claiming autism or depression can 1500 eur/month in my country. If he wants to get a job, any earnings will be absorbed by the neetbux agency. If he wants to get an education, he'll lose the right to any neetbux at all. UBI should be like 500 eur.
>>75174195
you pile on a few health problems,addictions and it's really not happein
>>75174222
Theory, or plan? You have refuted nothing. You have challenged and I have rebutted, but you have gained no ground. I know it is not easy to accept the notion that your entire genetic line will come fu stop in the future, but that fact does not absolve you of such fate.
>>75173234
>Where is this money coming from?
The same place where social benefits come from. And you can completely scrap the logistics costs that's spent on determining and administering who is eligible or not.
The UBI might not be the only one, but it is one possible answer to a problem that most people haven't realised existed. If you think the industrial revolution changed things, be prepared - you have seen nothing yet. The next wave of automation will reach the western world soon enough (didn't Foxconn just lay off 60k employees and replaced them by robots?). Full employment in a country will not be possible anymore. Nations will have to deal with the fact that a significant portion of its inhabitants will not work, because there are not enough jobs.
>>75174118
You think a hungry horde will lie down and die?
>>75168589
>Giving people the bare minimum needed to exist means they'll NEVER WORK AGAIN!
We are not nearly post-scarcity here in the West, let alone the rest of the World. When we get there - which we might - we'll also have to have high walls and armed border guards with instructions to shoot to kill on sight or we can kiss it goodbye.
You've seen the pull effect of offering third world fuck ups a free bedsit and £70 a week? They queue for years at our borders. Now imagine the lines if we somehow gave out the equivalent of minimum wage, entirely free.
If you give a shit about the poor, work towards limiting the cost of living, not pumping even more fiat currency into the system.
>>75174422
An infected horde will.
>>75174004
We won't be a race of purely "useful" physicists and engineers by the time we can do interstellar colonization. The more people there are, and the better they live, the more "useful" people will exist among the chaff.
I just don't get why would we ever cut back on amenities to people or even kill them, only because they don't fit into capitalism's model? It makes zero sense.
>>75170866
Top kek I remember when I was 15
>>75174488
We have ~12% of our population doing exactly that with free housing and £70 a week m8. The effect would be magnified if they were given the equivalent of minimum wage gratis.
>>75174385
I said there was no reason to colonize extrastellar planets you said no reason why we should do it.
you're just talking fantasy without reason
>>75174513
So a mass genocide of 6.5 billion? You think a majority will support this irl?
>>75174492
A gorillion of food and other shit simply gets destroyed by the retailer constantly to not drive down the prices.
>>75174644
I believe you are looking at this in the wrong frame. It is not capitalist, nor socialist. It is neo-utilitarianism, in which utility of resource outweighs utility of sentient life, due to the frame of automation making sentient life obsolete.
>>75174859
Do you seriously think they would be given a choice?
>implement basic income of 1000€/month
>the entire eastblock floods the country, sending money back home since 1000€ there is a fuckload more worth than in germany
I'm a NEET
I'd welcome basic income
but it just can't work out in the long run
>>75175120
Yes. We can't even deport Albanians to Kosovo, let alone murder 6.5 billion. Mass infections will wipe out all humanity, not a selected part of it. No elite group will be unified enough to execute it. You need to get off /pol/ occasionally and spend time in the real world.
>>75174118
This post is basically why people are against UBI. They just can't imagine automation on the scale that we'll be seeing soon. It's like a medieval farmer not comprehending a society where almost noone grows their own food.
>>75174849
Because extinction events are inevitable. You don't keep all your eggs in one basket, anon. That is why interstellar colonization is essential to surival. Further to that end, intergalactic colonizaton.
>>75175254
1000 is way too high. UBI should not be high enough to allow you to live off it comfortably.
>>75175365
Please read my previous comments. We will select who is essential, provide them immunity to the virus (almost none of them will even know), and then unleash the virus across the globe.
>>75167741
Government dependacy is slavery
>>75175472
~1100€ is considered "existential minimum for a human being" here
what's the point of basic income if you still need to work, like someone above pointed out already
>>75175448
so? we go to mars, mars is to small? we go to europe or another moon. still not enough? we'll make a space station. those are all more possible and cheaper than traveling 13 light years.
I sense you don't know how far that is
>>75175254
500 sounds more reasonable. maybe even 400. people should move in with their relatives and pool the money together to pay for expenses and such.
>>75174071
>for most people being a NEET is not a choice.
You'd be surprised..
I completely disagree.. Even if you have some kind of disability you can still do some kind of work parttime or whatever.. Including also if you have some psychiatric diagnosis or whatever..
I have a cousin that's blind.. fucking BLIND.. and she's worked more than some of these NEETS will their entire fucking lives.. But they want to pretend they can't work cause they don't want to..
There's really very little excuse for simply doing NOTHING..
Now if there's lack of jobs in your nation, then try to elect politians and try to argue for unfucking that nation, sometimes it's hard work to unfuck a nation but you have to put in the work.. like every successfull nation has..
Bring the jobs back.. try capitalism.. just try it.. instead of the socialist garbage.. might work out better..
Then when you have many job opportunities, you'll still find people who try to justify being NEETS aswell.. so what's that all about..
Migrant NEETS are the ABSOLUTE WORST of them all.. they queue up just to go on welfare.. with their many children.. actually recently was a case in denmark where a muslim woman with 12 kids.. and more on the way the article says.. She's not planning to work a day in her life that stupid bitch, and we should pay for her kids to.. hells to the no.. The nation they come from should pay for their entire stay, till they decide to take them back and put her and the kids to work.
>>75175688
Now I am just repeating myself... you are thinking about current technology, not what will be available to us in say, 40-150 years.
>>75173508
This.
All of my life, I've been warned about overpopulation and strain on the planet's resources. While I know it's lefty bullshit to some extent, there just isn't a need for 12 kids per family to tend the fields.
Obviously, whites, who are the only people on the planet that have any sense of long term thinking, self regulate birth rates.
Seems great.
Except the god damn lefties who want to encourage the 3rd world to breed like roaches, and live off western welfare.
Frankly, I can't blame anyone who wants to round up all the 3rd worlders, and the sheltered spoiled liberals who want to baby them, and send them all back to where ever they came.
>>75167741
Universal Basic Income will cause even more degradation of the human gene. What we need to do to improve our race and species is to reduce the possibilities of reproduction for lower forms of humans and to improve the reproductive capability of highly-intelligent and healthy individuals. One such way this can be done is by decreasing taxation and increasing personal responsibility and accountability so that better human beings have an easier time breeding than the lowly forms. This has the exact opposite effect of basic income - but will in the long run rid us of weak genes.
>>75175571
Who are "we"? You and 3 other people who agree with you? What if the other 2 decide they don't like you anymore and you're not getting into the tree house after all? What if Becky Sue from next door who you've included because muh dick will steal your immunization and start giving it out because muh feels?
A low scale extermination of the most hated ethnic group in Europe caused a wide world genocide and the most apocalyptic war to date. You have no idea how your fantasy translates to real life.
>>75175763
(cont) now factor UBI into that.. you'd have the entire 3rd world queuing up to get unlimited wellfare, not only can we not afford that.. because it's paid for by people who work/by peoples tax money.. But that'll also give them an excuse for not doing anything including not fixing their own fucking nations..
UBI hells to the no! And fuck you guys for even suggesting this suicidal thing without realizing the implications.
>>75167741
The only thing inevitable is you starting this thread everyday.
Fuck off.
>>75175831
what technology? Warp travel, wormholes?
finish high school first.
I reckon we will have processors fast enough to run 100 human brains with one chip in 100 years.
so why would we ever expand when you can virtualy download all your desires?
>>75175665
The idea is that those who can't get normal employment (of which there already are many and will be many, many more) will split part time and temp jobs. UBI will make sure chimpouts stay at base.
>>75175998
You are thinking far too small. We have the means to be extremely selective in the psychological profile of those willing to help this end, and an endless wealth of those who would further this end unwittingly, as they would neve be presented an opportunity to see all the pieces in play, just their compartmentalized specific section of contribution.
>>75176150
>I reckon we will have processors fast enough to run 100 human brains with one chip in 100 years
Now you're starting to get there. Now imagine an AI capable of harvesting data and compiling all potentialities of synergy amongst said data. Can you imagine the accomplishments of a 1,000 of Einstein's lives in the matter of seconds? Now look back at how primitive the notion of UBI is.
>>75169125
>Thinks that the crushing overwhelming majority of people wont just fall into their vices if given the means to freely do so (on 4chan of all places)
>Thinks that people getting enough money to survive and maybe buy a nice thing once a year still wont steal from, rape, or murder from each other
>Fails to realize that people who are truly great are not dissuaded by bullshit like poverty
>Doesn't understand that most people want nothing more from life than to consume consume consume
>>75176312
Delusional. Psychology is largely bogus science, the moment your tightly screened individuals (99% male) will see the streets run with blood, half of them will lose their mind and go postal on the rest.
Its gonna happen OR we could kill off half the worlds population.
>>75176593
why? why would we need to expand when we become virtual gods in our own worlds? if everything fails you could just shoot satelites in space with human """"consciousness"""" on it
>>75176710
And how would that matter if they are compartmentalized? Would you be concerned if your hammer went berserk and destroyed your nail gun?
>>75176729
Half is not anywhere enough to keep unemployment under 20%.
>>75167741
I was sort of for it, until i noticed that all the people advocating for it on jewbook (we vote on it in 10 days) are the assholes that went "i have to do what i do in life no matter what" (read: comedians, journalists, human science bullshit people).
Now i'm against it because i refuse to pay more taxes for those god damn leeches.
>>75176873
Who is going to compartmentalize them and keep them locked up?
>>75176897
How are things going? Which side is winning?
>>75167741
Probably necessary in like 50 years. But totally unaffordable and unnecessary right now and only people who got useless degrees and finding themselves in unskilled labour think otherwise.
>tfw when I'm basically describing my fuck up.
Replies itt coupled with the let's get to Africa to escape niggers threads make me wonder why /pol/ has been way more out of touch with reality recently
>>75176862
Perpetuity of the species and the final sprint toward immortality and unyielding bliss. Only fools are reactionary. Contengency is important, as currently, a single point of failure would spell the end. This planet being a single point of failure.
>>75177014
Do you know how current militaries function? Similar to this.
>>75177392
Yes, it's controlled by people both within and outside of it. Which is why every single war of yours since Vietnam ended in failure and pandering to muh feels on the home front.
Most people who work still don't think you deserve money for not working at all
The companies whose taxes are necessary to make this happen will just jump ship to much larger markets overseas
>>75177564
Similar, not exactly. I was referring to security clearance and need-to-know.
>>75177793
The chain of command always has an end.
>>75172275
Why can't Europoors understand that the world follows certain laws that govern human behaviour? Economics, while not complete, is an incredibly accurate fields that can be confirmed by the success of those who use its theories. Likewise, natural selection and evolution are perhaps the strongest scientific theories we have, and form the basis of biology. Humanity is biological, you clown, so start basing your opinions on the data rather than on your feelings on what is "humanitarian".
>>75177876
Indeed it does, and we have the capability of dead man's switch where needed. However, we are already capable of extremely specific filtering of individuals.
>>75167741
It appears like a good idea and also a necessity with technological advancement making labor irrelevant, but holy shit will it fail hard and bring with it the downfall of civilizations.
>humans being humans
>>75178144
No, we're not. There is literally no method to predict how people will react to mass genocide and the end of humanity as we knew it.
Wake up, we can't even solve very simple straightforward problems like having a secure border in the most advanced countries on earth.
>>75178099
What are you advocating then?
Again with the "kill all humans without jobs"?
It's obvious that current economics can't work for post-scarcity or even less-scarcity society.
>>75168589
More like = people pursuing careers that interest them regardless of financial benefit. Anyone who sits at home doing nothing all day collecting a basic cheque to survive would have to be a complete degenerate, and yes, I know those are pervasive in your country but elsewhere we actually value ourselves more than that.
>>75178407
Anyone who would know sufficient information would either be an originator or had already fully given themselves over. 24/7 monitoring, and immediate death should they even start down the path of betrayal. The means of executing this plan are in and of themselves, trivial. We've already be conducting similar operations for decade. We have underground labs in which the employees live around the clock and the public is not privvy to the research. What about containment of a project like this is difficult to grasp?
Is this one of those "techno-magic" fantasy threads? Why can't you all just pretend you're going to win the lottery like normal people instead of creating a cancerous religion?
>>75168589
Already happening
Universal income takes power from socialist governments. If the depressed population has a guarantied income they aren't forced to vote left so they can feed their children. They will vote those that may crate better jobs and work for a better economy for all.
oh hey the guy on the left can hold a placard and beg for money on the street...
what lovely behavior we're incentivizing.
>>75179376
That didn't work for Stalinism and Maoism in pre-humanist era in non-humanist countries and it won't remotely work in any modern Western country.
>>75179376
>>75180166
Replying to the first half of your comment obviously. The 2nd one is boring roleplay of a 16 year old weeb.
>>75167741
Estonia, is it dejavu or have I seen basically the same post from you several times?
>>75177027
Apparently not the UBI. It's quite popular amongst college students will bullshit majors and highschoolers, but that's about it.
>>75169761
>When you eliminate competition by forced average equality
Who said anything about forced average equality?
>>75168589
>Universal income = death of incentive = stagnation and decay
Actually, it's more like
Universal income = increased buying power + less people die = more productive economy
>death of incentive
Obviously there are people who are so lazy, they'd rather live a shit life than earn money, but since most people always want more in life, people will still work and have incentive to do better than everyone
>>75167741
>Jobs are being eliminated due to automation
But then new jobs are created by an increase in demand caused by the increase in productivity. Learn economics, you fucking Trumptard.
If I had a nickel for every retarded Trump supporter who was sucking money out of Medicare and Social Security, I could buy an island in the Pacific and never have to deal with you closet liberal fucks again.
Ron Paul would be rolling in his grave if he weren't unkillable. This board used to stand for things.
>>75180554
Nope, first time I've posted anything related to it.
>>75181553
No, there are not. For every hundred jobs eliminated there's 1 new created. An entire factory that used to employ thousands will be run by 4 engineers and 6 technicians.
