Why defend hardcore feminists the scarf? It's clearly a symbol for male domination. Are they really that dumb?
>>75042711
Yes, they are really that dumb.
>>75042711
Intersectional feminism dude.
Pay more attention.
>>75042711
>Why do feminists wear the hijab?
>If I took it off, would you die?
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>>75043085
They don't wear the scarf EVERY FUCKING DAY IN THEIR LIFE, so it's not a (political) symbol.
Do you see the difference faggot?
>>75043143
>It would be extremely triggering
Imagine how stupid a woman is. Now imagine something 10x stupider.
That is a feminist.
>>75042711
Cultural relativism. They believe just because it's seen a symbol for male domination in our culture it doesn't have to mean the same in others.
I have an intense hijab fetish, but I hate Islam
I'm so confused, what should I do?
>>75042711
It's because most of them do what they do as a shit test. They want someone to smack them and wrap them in a hijab.
>>75043359
How about nuns? Basically the same.
>>75043347
slavs don't wear it for religious reasons though, and no one would ever say shit if you didn't wear one. That's the difference, in islamic cultures you get death threats for being caught without one
>>75042711
>"The enemy of my enemy is my friend"
Feminists go against a weak target. Islam isn't weak. If feminists went to the Middle East to speak out against the issues, they'd be jailed or executed within a day.
So, who they choose? White, Christian, Western Civilisation, simply because it's an easy target. It's also about sabotaging western civilisation.
>>75043359
>acquire gf
>tell her you have a hijab fetish
>make her wear it while you fuck
>it'll be like fucking a Muslim
Or you could just pay a prostitute and make her wear a hijab.
..Or, you could just kill yourself.
>>75043134
Intersectional feminism is a dogmatic blob of hypocrisy and complete contradictions
>>75043449
Yeah, they're fucking nuns not regular ginches
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>>75043449
go back to /b/ you fucking trap.
>>75042711
You're pretty dumb for not realizing that all women, including feminists, love male domination.
>>75042711
>It's clearly a symbol for male domination.
How is that clear? It's simply an article of clothing the same as any other. Obviously being forced to wear it is oppressive, but as long as it's their choice I don't see any problem. Head coverings are actually mandated in nearly every major world religion, are are extremely common outside the arab world. Why everyone harps on the hijab I will never understand
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good idea but I think they put it off while FUCKING?
>>75043449
Are all muslim women the equivalent of nuns? No, they are not. So it's not the same.
(Although I wish they were, because this would mean they would not reproduce and live in some place were I would not have to see them.)
>>75043667
I have never seen a single christian girl in germany wear a head covering for religious reasons.
>>75043730
Nuns wear head coverings because Christianity technically requires it. Are you suggesting that Christians are somehow more virtuous for disobeying their religion?
Not that the hijab is even a muslim creation. The Quran does not require women to wear head coverings; there's quite a bit of evidence to suggest that the hijab was simply a cultural trend that caught on quite a while after the death of Muhammad.
>>75043855
Then they are not properly following their religion. How is that relevant anyways? Is an article somehow more oppressive if a woman chooses to wear it for religious reasons?
>>75042711
Nah, they are against white men. White men don't want it, so they do it to spite them. It is still their choice, for now.
>>75043855
My hardcore catholic grandmother would never leave the house without a scarf, she was raised like that. It was part religious, part tradition/habit. Keep in mind that technically it was still "mandatory" to wear scarfs in church until the vatican removed the passage from the official dogma in the 80s or so.
>>75043943
It becomes oppressive when it is the norm in Islamic countries and women get fucking beaten by their husbands for not wearing it. Required by the Quran or not, it's a symbol of submission to their husbands and male family members.
>>75044050
>until it was removed from the dogma
That's the point though isn't it? Other ideologies have reformed, islam has not
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>>75043023
Holy fucking shit are we really going to pretend like Christianity is just as big on the headscarf as Islam? For every hour a Christian wears a headscarf a Muslim wears one a year
>>75044083
It's also a big fuck you to the host culture. A social statement. If it wasn't about their religion, then why aren't all women wearing them?
If it's not a symbol of oppression, why are women in Iran, a country with compulsory hijab laws, cutting all their hair off and putting on men's clothes so they don't have to wear it?
>>75043943
You know that many women don't have a say when it comes to the hijab.
I also don't give a shit about christianity, because it's just another desert religion. I just think that the comparison between nuns and regular girls is retarded.
But of course the main reason why I don't like it is because it is a symbol of a foreign culture manifesting in my country and non-assimilation.
>>75042711
because 21st century parody world
also rape is okay if it's done by a muslim
>>75044083
No one is disputing the immorality of forcing a woman to wear a certain type of clothing (or forcing them to do anything, really). But that has nothing to do with women in western nations freely choosing to wear the hijab.
>it's a symbol of submission
That's your opinion. Others see it as a symbol of modesty or piety. If the radical muslim community believes that a baseball cap is a symbol of western oppression, is that relevant at all to your life? At the end of the day, trying to prevent women from wearing certain clothing is arguably just as oppressive as forcing them to wear it.
>>75044195
It was extremely common up until about a century ago. It's common in India. It's common in Israel. It's common among Sikhs. How is religion even relevant?
>>75044240
No one is disputing their right to choose.
>of course the main reason why I don't like it is because it is a symbol of a foreign culture manifesting in my country and non-assimilation
Yes you've made that abundantly clear. You must hate Italian restaurants and french fries as well.
>>75044144
Right. Catholicism reformed that particular dogma about scarfs a few decades ago. Islam is hundreds of years younger than Christianity though and most of their people are living in medieval tier settings. Of course they will need to reform eventually, but such things don't happen instantly.
Besides, it took us hundreds of years to get over the segregation between Catholicism and Protestantism(?), with countless violent conflicts along the way. I'm not defending Islam, they need to adapt. But I have some "understanding" for their situation, we were in the same boat a few hundred years ago.
>>75044503
>You must hate Italian restaurants and french fries as well.
God, you are so fucking retarded.
I don't hate them because
1. they are not criminal third worlders who fuck up our society
2. they are not flooding our country by the millions and replacing our population
3. they do not uphold cultures that contradict our values in our country
Some foreign things are very nice, some are not.
>>75044591
So if I found a new religion this gives me the right to behave like people did 2000 years ago? After all, thats the time it took christianity to become like it is today.
>>75043667
I don't have a problem with women wearing headscarves as fashion statements or whatever. But I do have a problem with the religious meaning of the hijab because it literally says that a woman not covering her hair shows men she's "available" and will make them lose control and eventually rape her -- which is an incredibly disgusting way of looking at men and women, in my opinion. I actually used to defend women wearing hijabs for religios reasons (as long as they're not forced to it) but that was before I learned what those reasons actually were.
>>75043466
>slavs don't wear it for religious reasons though,
They do fro some extent in Russia.
First, attending Orthodox Church woman should cover her head and wear a skirt. Second USSR and now Russia pushes multiculturalism heavily (aka all cultures are welcome if they are not white/Russian), Russians are left without cultural and national identity. They look around and see Muslim woman parading in scarfs. Then in their heads gears aligning: "Ha, we wear scarfs in church too!!!" and then they start cosplaying Muslims to go away from grey featureless mass that is official "Russian multinational nation".
>>75044851
Blah blah shut up kaffir, fuck off
>>75044144
It isn't something that would disappear without Islam. Headscarves have been popular in that region for hundreds of years - partially due to the climate and partially due to harmless cultural practices.
Indian women cover their head in a myriad of different situations, most of which are not required by Hindu tradition. So it isn't so much a religious practice as it is a cultural one.
>>75044740
How does the hijab cause crime, mass immigration, and non-assimilation? Why didn't you just make a thread about how much you hate muslims instead of beating around the bush for an hour?
>>75044851
Modesty is a virtue that EVERY religion holds in the highest regards. It isn't specific to Islam. The situation you described is a pretty gross mischaracterization of the actual text.
Religion is a cultural institution; separating the two is meaningless. There are western muslims who dress modestly and cover their head because they think it makes them look sexier or more appealing (you want what you can't have). Their reasons for wearing it are largely irrelevant - you should be defending their right to wear whatever they want for whatever reason they want to wear it, not trying to force a dress code on them. What is the difference between "you must wear this" and "you cannot wear this"?
>>75044985
Don't you have a meteor to worship?
>>75042711
its called culture appreciation you shitlord!
>>75044503
Where are all the Reddit cucks coming from? There's a noticeable influx in the last few hours.
Also most people hate the headscarf because we hate Islam and everything to do with it should be removed from western culture.
They're incompatible, Muslims will chose religion over country, religion over neighbours and it's obvious with how they treat each other in their backwards deserts, religion over life/humanity.
Fuck Islam and fuck anyone who enable them to get away with acting like children when something doesn't go exactly how they want it.
>>75045230
Headscarves are ubiquitous in many cultures and are not specific to Islam. I'm not sure why you're harboring prejudices about me simply because I am defending a woman's right to wear a piece of cloth on her head
>>75045065
>How does the hijab cause crime, mass immigration, and non-assimilation? Why didn't you just make a thread about how much you hate muslims instead of beating around the bush for an hour?
Some muslims are westernized and want to assimilate. These are generally better than the backwards muslims that usually insist on following their religious dogma and seperating from our society. The hijab is a symbol of this. Muslims are generally worse, the more extreme they are. But yeah, I wouldn't mind all of them leaving.
>>75042711
>Are they really that dumb?
Liberalism pretty much hinges on ignoring your cognitive dissonance.
>>75045418
all of them leaving is probably the only way to fix this shit
>>75045388
>I am defending a woman's right to wear a piece of cloth on her head
They have the right to do so and I don't think anyone argued to ban them ITT. But just because something is legal doesn't mean you like it. Portraying all women as worthless cumwhores in movies is also not illegal, yet most feminists are against it. We are just wondering why they are not opposing the hijab aswell.
>>75045065
>The situation you described is a pretty gross mischaracterization of the actual text
Yeah no it's really not, try looking it up yourself. As I said, I used to defend women wearing hijabs until I actually learned more about their reasons for doing so.
Now, I don't think hijabs should be forbidden by law in Germany. But I do think it's wrong to change existing laws about head coverings to allow women to wear hijabs at their jobs or whatever because it justifies those beliefs that in my opinion shouldn't be justified by German society.
>>75042711
Is that the same bitch?
>see webm
>>75042767
fpbp
Western women wearing hijab is just another player in the oppression Olympics. The west gives someone who is oppressed a louder voice nowadays. So now why are they wearing something that doesn't align with the culture they're "assimilating" to? Since they're westernized and all. Tbh I don't consider a Muslim westernized if they're wearing a hijab. Like so many people have said, it's culture and has nothing to do with Islam, so why is it pushed so hard?? They only cry religious freedom when you want to ban it
>>75042711
It's not that their dumb
Imagine the hatred a lot of /pol/acks have for shitskins
Imagine they have the exact thing for whites, so shitskins get free passes on almost absolutely anything
>>75045418
>The hijab is a symbol of this
Only because you choose to view it as such.
>>75045667
I know the text. It doesn't at all indicate what you said it does; there is nothing about primal rape urges or whatever you were babbling about.
>>75045627
>We are just wondering why they are not opposing the hijab aswell.
Do you live under a rock? This is a fairly contentious subject and something that is HOTLY debated in feminist/western muslim circles. There are plenty of women, muslim and non-muslim, that agree with what most people in this thread are saying.
>>75042711
Leftists are both pro-feminism and pro-Islam because both are anti-west.
For the leftist, the underlying core ideology is always anti-west.
>>75045787
She's cute tho
>>75045956
Of course I see it like this. How else could wearing traditional religious clothing from another culture possibly be seen?
That it is a hotly debated topic means, that some feminists actually defend the hijab. This I can not understand.
>>75045230
/pol/ keeps getting mentioned in the media. It's attracting fledgling shit lords, who attempt to construct arguments, in the same way as they do in the real world.
Headscarves as well as other 'cultural' clothing, cause vitamin D deficiency to occur regularly, across the middle eastern migrant's, in most EU countries.
>They're incompatible, Muslims will chose religion over country
Very true.
Islam is not just a religion. It is ingrained into every facet of their life, their culture, their society and their politics.
Then we have the subsequent generations of Muslims, that feel isolate because of their self isolation. Which has been a direct result of their parents as well as their own belief system.
If any of these supporters in the thread actually research the topic, they would know that Islam begins its push, as it gains in regards to population %.
It starts with demands for small cultural changes, acceptance of certain practices.
Pushes for things like halal, sharia courts. Followed by political infiltration.
Make no mistake. When Muslims begin to break into double digits in terms of population, in the west. We will have large outbreaks of violence.
The people that refuse to see the facts, are self flagellating. The allegory of the cave comes to mind, except they choose to sit and watch shadows, in full knowledge that light is behind them.
Ironically, these are the people that will be targeted by Muslims, as the process of islamification, begins to gather further momentum.
>>75046245
>Ironically, these are the people that will be targeted by Muslims, as the process of islamification, begins to gather further momentum.
This is the only thought that makes me smile, while the west is crumbling.
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>>75043449
How many of them face the possibility of receiving a death penalty, either officially sanctioned or illegally administered by a fanatic vigilante, if they were to remove their head coverings and renounce or admonish their religion or its institutions and leaders?
exactly zero. not a single one of those women would ever be concerned about that. They could all drop out of the convent and start making granny nun porn tomorrow and literally nobody would care in the church or anywhere else. At worst a few people would cut them socially out of their lives, but they would not fear for their safety because they don't live in goat-fucking barabarian land, and their religion is not an insane moon worship cult and deifies a pederast warlord.
Muslims are more oppressed on the scale than women or something
>>75046181
As a harmless cultural practice? The same as language, food, etc... Wearing a hijab does not mean they will never assimilate. You have chosen to single them out as such. Surely you don't have a problem with a French couple living in Germany raising their child bilingual?
>This I can not understand
I have already explained it several times. Some people see it as a symbol of modesty and piety. They believe that by covering their body they are not whoring themselves out and are protecting their integrity (rather than being seen as a sex symbol). Other feminists believe that it is empowering to protect a woman's right to wear clothing of her choice, regardless of what that clothing is.
>>75042711
>Men pointed out that the scarf is oppressive as a counter to feminism being hypocritical.
>Rather than improve their stance they decide, "NO MEN MUST BE WRONG!"
And now you know the entire history of feminism.
>>75046176
>cute
>crazy triggered face
She is a traitor to her own people, she should be hanged in the major plaza
>>75045787
This guy nailed it. Look at their complete confusion... their raw and misunderstood animal attraction for this "patriarchal" alpha male.
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>>75046176
yes it's the same thing...
and no she is not cute...
>>75042711
Their entire ideology is based around hatred of thhe west. One form of showing you hate the west is through """""""solidarity""""""" with Muslims.
Ironically, most Muslim women with hijab hold views that are extremely opposed to SJW/feminist views.
>>75046672
raped and hanged
