Justify why I or anyone else should be taxed out of more than 12-15% of my income.
>>75013014
RooooooooooooADs!!!!!!11
>>75013014
to finance the state
>>75013014
to feed the dinduakbar
There is no justification other than go enslave you to the state
No libertarian has ever explained to me who protects the people from capitalists if not the state
>y-you commie
Not an argument
Social contract. If you don't like it, get the fuck out.
Be a patriotic citizen and shut the fuck up.
>>75013944
You do, becuase you have the choice not to buy their products.
>>75013014
>12-15%
I wish I could get it that low
>>75013014
Because an economy can't be handled like a poker table, allowing one player to acquire all the chips while everyone else goes bust- that's how you end up with a shithole of a country, the kings of which are multi-billionaires while the average citizen lives in a hut with dirt floors
>>75014335
Except communist countries did a shittier job of enriching the average person.
>>75014261
Shelter, water and food aren't exactly something I can choose to go without.
You asshole.
>>75013944
information, if an ultra-corporatist start to shot at people that doesnt want to work at certain factory information would spread and they would killing them for violating the non-agression principle
dont forget that what would protect the non-agression principle is the brownshirt
>>75013014
Because you can't return to the 1950s with the economic policies of the 1880s. Learn some history, libertardshits.
>>75014434
I'm not a communist, but that's complete bullshit. Russia wasn't better off before the Soviets. And it sure as hell isn't doing well right now.
You need protection from the capitalists.
>>75014434
Yes, communism bad...
Capitalism tempered by progressive taxes makes wealthy countries with high standards of living
>>75014592
What if the people violating the non-aggression principle have much better arms, and the rest does not have any means to harm them?
>>75014461
that can be produced by another corporation
>>75014461
To a libertarian, they absolutely are. And you make a political and economic choice with every single purchase and if you get the shit end of the stick, that's your fault for having the audacity to try to survive. This is literally how Walmart became a monopoly.
I defy anyone to show me that most libertarians don't live in their parents' houses and have an actual concrete understanding of the real world.
no law or order
libertarians=autists
>>75014629
>>75014659
in the autistic libertarian's mind anything that isn't ancap is communist
but they are autistic so what do you expect?
>>75014744
Inb4 LIBERTARIANS ARE TOTALLY NOT ANARCHISTS!! TAXATION IS THEFT YOU FUCKING STATIST!!!
>>75014816
>>75014707
Let's assume one company has an absolute and unbreakable monopoly on the aforementioned and >>75014702 also holds true
>>75014865
>>75014702
who produced these arms?
good luck having a coalition against your ass
unless you have a corporation as strong as napoleon
>>75014921
>>75014991
>>75014921
Alternate version with dirt smears.
>>75014920
You clearly don't grasp libertarians. They literally believe monopolies are impossible in a libertarian society. They actually believe that the rich won't use their money to buy power in a libertarian society.
>>75014920
good luck for your corporation to not break out after all worker of that corporation revolt
>>75014987
>who produced these arms?
Someone who wants a share of absolute power.
>good luck having a coalition against your ass
Joke's on you, nobody can defeat me.
>>75015020
Reminder that libertarians have a one track autistic mind which is why they can't figure out if you get rid of all the laws bands of soldiers will just take over everything and create a new government.
http://reason.com/blog/2011/07/20/being-libertarian-may-cause-au
>>75015113
>They literally believe monopolies are impossible in a libertarian society.
But the exact opposite it's true. It's a scenario asking for monopoly.
Have they not heard of something called the 19th century?
>>75015233
>>75015134
said napoleon
said the tzar
said louis XVI
>>75013014
Because the government works best at an 18% total tax. Taxes above that need to go though.
>>75015237
>Have they not heard of something called the 19th century?
Or feudalism
when the monarchs had a monopoly on land
It's almost like libertarians are autistc or something.
>>75014596
>>75014659
>>75014816
>>75014865
I'm not a full libertarian, I'm nationalist before anything else, and socially right-leaning.
I'm just arguing for OP's point that average citizens shouldn't have to pay 30% of their income in taxes like they do in Swedecuck land. Most bureacrats are leftists, and they always spend tons of tax money on trivial shit and/or stuff meant to subvert whites in favor of minorities.
Would you call Trump a libertardian for pic related?
>>75014742
oy vey people choose to be poor and if they dont they deserve whats coming to them anyway
>>75015315
it should be 0 income taxes and 10% sale taxes and 10% import taxes
>>75015400
>I'm just arguing for OP's point that average citizens shouldn't have to pay 30% of their income in taxes like they do in Swedecuck land.
Yeah I agree with that
In general the working classes should have to pay as low taxes as possible in order to stimulate demand.
>>75015314
have you ever heard of something called the Will to Power?
>>75015496
but the rich class shouldnt be taxed more than in other country or there would be a brain drain
>>75015366
>>75015496
I'm interested in Stirner's ideology. I know he was one of the edgy Hegel kids; but apparently he was more into individualism that full-blown communism?
If so, does Stirner's ideology make room for nationalism, or was he just an edgy nihilist that only cares about material wealth?
>inb4 spook
>>75015492
>it should be 0 income taxes and 10% sale taxes
>shifting the tax to teh working class
that's just dumb
We need progressive income tax that shifts the burden off the working class and high property and capital gains taxes to prevent Chinese real estate bubbles.
sales taxes just fuck over consumers.
>>75015237
Dear, you don't get it. Libertarians can't into "reality". They only grasp the tenets of their religion.
>>75015366
The 1800s were damn near an openly libertarian society. It's also where a massive amount of our anti-libertarian laws come from because they HAD to before the robber barons totally wrecked society.
>>75015400
>I'm just arguing for OP's point that average citizens shouldn't have to pay 30%
Blame the conservatives then. The taxes on the middle class have actually gone up as the taxes on the rich have decreased. It's libertarians and libertarian-like individuals who lobbied non-stop for this shit.
>Would you call Trump a libertardian for pic related?
I would call Trump what he is: a born millionaire retard.
>>75015469
I love how libertarians so rarely address that all their heroes are kikes and niggers.
>>75013014
So what does a libertarian do if Soros decides to buy every single pathway (road, footpath, allys, etc) in a major city and charge stupid amounts of money to use them?
>>75015738
>Donald Trump isn't a globalist
Wew fucking laddy.
>>75015934
They praise him, of course.
>>75015724
the top percent needs to be taxed to prevent oligarchy/feudalism from coming back. Most their profits are from speculation and finance anyway. If you let them take over the economy we're going back to the Medieval ages.
No one is talking about taxing productive people like STEM majors more. If anything I think people like doctors or engineers shouldn't even pay taxes since they already contribute so much to society.
>>75015738
>he was more into individualism that full-blown communism?
He got Marx incredibly butthurt because he disproved his jewish communist utopia.
>>75015786
1800s weren't Feudalism (in the US)
>>75015738
An edgelord if you ask me. One single human being on its own is worth almost nothing.
>>75015577
yep thats why i'm an absolute-monarchist
people tend to be hedonistic anyways
anarcho-communist require an high activism mentality of the population
centralise all the power on one person and you only need to cut his head if he fuck up
but he need to be replaced by another and not becoming another french republic
still economicaly, i'm libertarian
a king doesnt need to pander on socialist and minority since he is there until his death
>>75013014
You shouldn't. Your sales taxes and other luxuries should cover that.
>>75015738
>does Stirner's ideology make room for nationalism
Basically he jsut took Descarte's "I think therefore I am" (that is the only thing you can ever know for sure) to it's logical conclusion.
rights only have any meaning if you are willing to fight for them. Otherwise they're just "spooks"
>>75015786
Ewww, an actual commie.
>The taxes on the middle class have actually gone up as the taxes on the rich have decreased.
Seems that's just a microcosm for the US. The taxes on the middle class are still irrelevant compared to the rich; as the percentages mean more as your wealth level increased. Meanwhile, virtually all "socialist" Nordic countries have higher taxes for average citizens, more inflation, and less buying power. The blue states in the US have higher costs of living; which is why cucked apartment-dwellers their are akin to two-story house owners in Texas. I guess it's a trade-off between how much you actually need public services, and how much buying power you want.
>I would call Trump what he is: a born millionaire retard.
Trump's IQ is 156. He took one company and turned it into 200 hundred. Many tards who win lotteries worth more than a million end up broke and never make their own business. You have to admit that skill eventually plays a factor in wealth-accumulation; not just the pretense of inheritance.
>>75016180
myseld if there is high taxation on a corporation, its only if he hold more than 10% of a certain sector of production
it would force them to divercify their product and fear monopolies
>>75016369
>>75016520
Fuck, I made a lot of typos. I'm tired as fuck and trying to play Doom while arguing with commies late at night.
>>75016706
:^)
>>75015981
You can be a nationalist while still exploiting other countries for their shekels. Just look at Israelis.
>>75016706
What happens in a libertarian society if some rich bastard buys up all the property surrounding your house and forbids you from trespassing on his property?
>>75016781
You tread in the footsteps of Otto von Bismarck.
His life's work was a staggering failure.
>>75017180
I hate neo-Germany.
>>75016180
>1800s weren't Feudalism (in the US)
They were damned close. Look up the truck system in coal country. I defy you to claim that wasn't feudalism.
>>75016520
Ewww, an actual dysgenic
>Seems that's just a microcosm for the US. The taxes on the middle class are still irrelevant compared to the rich; as the percentages mean more as your wealth level increased.
I'm intensely suspicious of the continued claim that the rich carry the nation with their tax dollars. I'd like to see fully vetted, non-partisan sources for these claims.
>The blue states in the US have higher costs of living
That's because most of them are more urbanized, you fucking low-IQ troglodyte. No surprise, they're also the places people want to live most. That tends to up costs. Your precious free market in action.
>Meanwhile, virtually all "socialist" Nordic countries
I'm glad you used quotes, but you shouldn't have called them Socialist at all. Because they're not.
>have higher taxes for average citizens, more inflation, and less buying power
First of all, the Nordic countries are LITERALLY the most desirable countries to live in ON EARTH and have been for decades so that fucks up your argument, also America is the third largest nation on Earth by population and aggressively globalist capitalist.
>which is why cucked apartment-dwellers their are akin to two-story house owners in Texas
That's because nobody but Texans like Texas, nigger and nobody wants to actually live there. The places with the lowest cost of living are places NOBODY WANTS TO FUCKING LIVE. Meanwhile, southern California, you're precious pet post-apocalyptic brown territory is one of the most in-demand and consequently most expensive places to live in America. I thought conservashits were supposed to be "good" at economics?
>>75018307
Yeah I know, socialism is incorruptible because it doesn't exist. It's the perfect sacred cow.
>>75016520
>Trump's IQ is 156
Prove it.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/what-donald-trumps-iq-heres-7983558
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-myths-donald-trump-tells-about-donald-trump/2016/01/28/b7cead16-c46e-11e5-9693-933a4d31bcc8_story.html
>>75016520
>He took one company and turned it into 200 hundred
It's not difficult to build companies when you're a born millionaire. I honestly think most people are fucking retarded. They literally believe being born into a millionaire family has zero degree of affect on whether a person is successful or not. That's just pure idiocy.
>Many tards who win lotteries
Winning the lottery is not the same as being born and raised in a rich family. The comparison doesn't hold water.
>You have to admit that skill eventually plays a factor in wealth-accumulation
Sure. I'll admit that the day you admit that being born as wealthy as Trump is damn near a guarantee you'll stay that way. Don't think for a god damned second this boy didn't have professionals managing his finances from birth.
>>75018491
You mean like libertarianism?
>True libertarianism has never been tried!
Except it has. In slums.
>>75018307
>That's because nobody but Texans like Texas, nigger and nobody wants to actually live there.
>southern California, you're precious pet post-apocalyptic brown territory
See pic.
Also, how will commies fix the beaner problem? Import more and give them more resources to breed on? I thought you didn't believe in borders.
>>75013969
>I love funding Jamal and his 50 kids he's never met
>>75014261
>libertarian society
>buy land in nevada
>detonate as many nukes as i possibly can until it is toxic with cobalt
>sell oxygen tanks and iodine pills
>profit
>>75015113
What "power" are you going to buy in a Libertarian society? The political power that doesn't exist in a Libertarian society? By "buy power" do you mean "use money to pay for goods and services at a price determined by the free market"? Face it, the only way monopolies can survive is if they have the law on their side, and when there's no laws restricting trade, there's nothing keeping them from getting undercut, or ruining their goodwill to the point where no one will buy their products.
>>75017180
Well I like the second reich governement actually
Unless its from external forces, it doesn't fuck up too much
Its at least not as bad as democraty
>>75018307
Also, I was implying that leftist high taxes are what cause people to have higher costs of living; especially property taxes. More government spending also reduces the value of the currency via inflation.
>>75016520
Missing Obama.
>>75018636
His success started with a loan from his father and he carried on to be successful where his siblings and relatives were not.
His siblings were afforded the same opportunities and we don't see their names or businesses anywhere.
>>75019782
This. People forget that Trump started investing before he ever owned his dad's business.
Also, if Trump simply relied on agents for his business accumen; wouldn't the family share the same network? This implies that either Trump's dad didn't give a shit about his other kids; or that Trump was a superior investor compared to his whole family. I tend to believe the former.
>>75020323
fuck, I meant latter
