Why doesn't God kill Satan if he's all powerful ?
>>74987085
For the keks.
legal trial to establish that humanity has no ability to successfully rule itself
but then im one of jehovahs witnesses so i suppose youre going to take what i say with a grain of salt
but he will
Because god and satan are just ideas, and ideas dont work on their own
>>74987238
stop putting your creppy ads in my mailbox bless you
>>74987085
Gotta have bad times so you when good times roll around.
>>74987085
Why did he make him in the first place lol
>>74987085
God gave up some of his power to enable us to have free will, and that includes allowing Satan to exist
>>74987085
you know how boring it would be if he didnt have a opponent? also while many may try few could hold a candle to his skill. its not rape and pillage. there is a lot of bureaucratic red tape. you might refer to this as the rules of engagement to use military terminology
>>74987085
the devil is all the ignorant greedy and sinful, how do we kill all those?
>>74987085
maybe he is french?
>>74987235
FPBP
>>74987341
God is an actual being in the Bible, isn't he?
>Gnosticism presents a distinction between the highest, unknowable God and the demiurgic “creator” of the material. Several systems of Gnostic thought present the Demiurge as antagonistic to the will of the Supreme Being: his act of creation occurs in unconscious semblance of the divine model, and thus is fundamentally flawed, or else is formed with the malevolent intention of entrapping aspects of the divine in materiality. Thus, in such systems, the Demiurge acts as a solution to (or, at least possibly, the problem or cause that gives rise to) the problem of evil.
This makes sense when we look at the Jews. It's possible they've been worshiping the Demiurge or "Satan" this whole time
>>74987085
If you kill your enemies, they win.
>>74987085
>>74987356
>france
Are you a heretic, Anon.?
>>74987085
You ever read the book of Job?
>God asks Satan for his opinion of Job's piety. Satan answers that Job is pious only because God has blessed him; if God were to take away everything that Job had, then he would surely curse God. God gives Satan permission to take Job's wealth and kill all of his children and servants
>god
>killing
u wut m8?
>>74987842
yeah, they have been.
>>74987905
God kills loads of people in the Bible, by his own hand.
Is her necklace made of anal beads?
>>74987855
In my opinion if you kill your enemies you win
Because he is satan.
>>74987085
They're working together.
>>74987899
No senpai, i'm a faithful believer
>>74987900
God and Satan are BFFs.
I can just imagine them chilling with a couple of beers watching that poor sap Job
>Satan: HAHAHA Hey God check this out!
>*killing children intensifies*
>Job: G-God is great
>God/Satan: AHAHAHAHAHA
Because he needs the supervillain version of himself, the perfect foil, which although defeating him everytime, even breaking his spine, but the fucker always come back. Like Batman and Joker. Otherwise how the fuck would you sell the story to mortals?
God is basically a comic book hero
>>74987085
This lady screams sex!
>it hurts my brain and please make it stop
Satan is actually part of god's plan.
Think of Satan like a water filter all the ass hole scum fucks flock to him and god knows exactly who to keep out of the kingdom.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cs6OTdU59GE
subs on
God let freewill in his heaven, satan rebelled and 1/3 of gods angels did so too...now its a fight for good and evil...have your temporary needs met and get eternal fire or just give your self to him and have a little self discipline (which is actually good for you ) and be rewarded in heaven
>>74987581
What God only had enough mana if he made a deal with a creature he created?
Becaise God would have too much power and turn into another Satan.
>>74988223
So God isn't powerful enough to already know who is getting to Heaven and who isn't?
>>74987238
>jehovahs witness
>on 4chan
doesnt this conflict with your beliefs
>>74987085
He doesn't exist
>>74987085
Because Satan is part of the plan.
>>74987085
Controlled opposition
>>74988301
Is this canon ? That kinda sounds like a Hollywood movie scenario desu..
>>74987900
>Satan trolls God into letting him destroy Job's life just for keks
>>74988327
>>74988223
Not to mention why does satan supposedly punish/torture people? People who would presumably be on his side.
>>74987356
never
>>74988344
yah. im in a bit of a funk right now.
>>74987238
Did you find a qt 3.14 witnesse to reproduce with?
>>74988327
Free will, do you know how boring it would be to know what everyone was going to do.
>>74987085
because they're both the same thing
>>74988301
>33% of angles created by God think he is shit and leave him
>>74988723
So you're saying God has limited power.
>>74988541
Not really. It is in Mormonism.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+12%3A7-13&version=KJV
is the part he's talking about.
>>74988541
Nah family,constatine(movie) explains it well
>>74987085
Because that is how they wrote the story
>>74987085
good and evil there is not one without the other
>>74987085
>Why doesn't God kill Satan if he's all powerful ?
Why doesn't God kill all the evil people in the world?
Satan is a defeated foe as proven by the bible.
>>74988820
Yes, willingly so. It's his gift to humanity
>>74987085
Because in the end Jesus power is so great that even satan will be converted.
No I didnt think of that myself. It's atributed to a early saint.
Basicly according to mainline theology Satan and bad things happen for the betterment of your soul. Now or later in life, that you may humbly learn to love god with all your heart, and all your mind.
So far it's worked on me.
Satan is a myth
>>74988878
So God's goodness is limited...
>>74987085
that woman is fucking hot
>>74987085
Nice pair on her. Would bang.
>>74988931
Pfft. Who the fuck would worship a God who has limitations?
>>74987085
God created Satan therefore God is evil
This is the ultimate final redpill :)
>>74988327
Maybe he just likes simulations, they are kinda funny even you know the results.
>>74988995
You can say that but he loves you so doesnt matter
>>74987085
Why doesn't USA kill Russia if she's so powerful?
>>74988655
>Not to mention why does satan supposedly punish/torture people? People who would presumably be on his side.
Are you implying some sort of inconsistency or otherwise internal contradictions and errors in our Holy Book which God created in all his perfection?
>>74988820
God limits his own powers.
Think of being a supreme being in the universe sure it would be fun at first but it gets boring at some point sure it would be fun at first but it get boring at some point.
>>74988655
Well God did the same thing
>>74988813
Yeah, that's why they're called left angles.
>>74989036
No fuckwit,satan rebelled and god said fuck it,you know i can beat your ass so stop and say your sorry,if you dont but im sorry you'll perish and lose
>>74989104
Only loves me a bit I guess so it isn't really love then.
Does God love people less as the population increases and he has to spread it around more? When do we reach God's carrying capacity for "love"?
>>74988931
I have literally never seen anyone say that God is anything other than omnipotent. You're using a very strange logic here, saying he is able to make himself not omnipotent, which would require omnipotency.
>>74989209
You're applying human traits to a, supposedly, all powerful being.
>>74988655
It is not the Satan, he will be bound and tortured as well when the time comes.
>>74989189
Well I mean it could use some revision maybe...
>>74989263
That's just what God wants you to think. Wake up.
>>74988007
.. wow that's really a good point, makes you think eh
>>74989209
>Think of being a supreme being in the universe sure it would be fun at first but it gets boring at some point sure it would be fun at first but it get boring at some point.
>implying killing ants and other bugs isn't always funny
Shit, if I was God, it would be like Sim City, after having created the perfect Earth destroy everything with catastrophes, alien invasion, famine, pestilence etc just for the lulz
>>74988931
people should stop pushing their fanfictions about God and try to pass it as christanity
Make your own religion
>>74987085
Because He doesn't have to , yet. Get your shit together and stop complaining. God won't kill you just because you can't do it yourself. Pull up your pants and start helping your mom with the bills. She looks desperate but nice , just tell her to stop drooling
>>74989031
>>74988205
>>74989026
so fucking true
>>74989306
Maybe God doesn't switch back and forth on his own? He has a button set up and asks Gabriel or someont to push it for him sometimes. Kind of like a shabbos-goy. That way he can be both and not technically break any of his own rules for himself.
>>74989326
But we have similar minds, it's even confirmed in the bible. The main difference is: he is not bound to the flesh like we are. So he never gets tired, he never forgets anything, his mind is always pure and is not influenced by drugs or hormones.
>>74987446
he was god's nigga but then he tried to be even cooler than god and shit then he was sent to hell
>>74989026
She looks like my aunt
>>74987085
Because god is a total dick which only gives the absolute least amount of fucks about the wellbeing of humans. Also, god is very much a fictional concept(which would explain the shitloads of condtraditions surrounding the god and his works)
>>74989278
First he's restricted to do certain good,due to evening the playing field with satan,he loves us all...EQUALLY he says it clearly in the bible...but just because he is restricted from cheating and helping out his children he sp dearly loves ,doesn't mean he doesnt love you at all or any less...not only that but sent his begotten son to fight back against satan and won and RISEN
>>74987808
>God is an actual being
This is literal heresy. God is the essence of being and to be itself.
>>74987085
evil is a concept, and concept's are immortal
>>74987085
who is this older cock holder?
>>74989798
Then why do people have different occurrences of luck?
Most of humanity isn't equal in any regards.
>>74987085
Read job.
>>74989834
But he HAS personality (or 2 or even 3, I am not sure if I got the Trinity concept right).
>>74987085
Because without Satan I wouldn't be able to envision all the fucking nasty things I'd do to that woman's face, tits, ass, etc.
>>74989834
I meant as opposed to a mere concept - the point I was replying to - which I feel is far more heretical, but I suppose what you say is what goes.
>>74989700
In Religulous there's this Jewish guy who made Shabbat inventions so he could operate things on the Sabbath and avoid the 'no work' rule. At no point did he seem to realise that surely any supposed worthwhile God would understand what he's doing and judge him accordingly..
>>74989790
No. This one version of the Earth's creation (pick the right sect of Christianity too obvi) is correct and all the others are complete trash. Even if they sound similar. If you pick the wrong slight variation you are fucked (the correct bible is God's word after all and that can't be wrong)
>>74989326
We are created in his image.
>>74990053
Why is there a nigger in a meme with a israelite?
They were not niggers. Even fucking retardo jew worshipers who actually think Jesus was a kike cant believe this. The kikes are not fucking black you doubblenigger.
>>74990026
Yes,more people suffer than others,but its only temporary,they'll soon be rewarded in eternal PARADISE. If god had everyone born into rich 1st world countries it kind of defeats his purpose...just go to church and learn for yourself,orthodoxy is the way my friend
>>74990219
Nope, he outsmarted God lol what a rube
>>74987085
Would fugg and use the necklace as anal beads.
There's no devil
God protects Zimmerman just to Troll satanists.
>>74987085
Cuz what would be the fun in that. Satan is an inside job who doesn't even know that he is an inside job because without satan just imagine how boring things would be for god. God's playing on Suicide Mode
>>74987085
As according to Qabbalah, divinity is to be concealed by shells of evil so as to improve the soul. Basically evil is there as a testing apparatus for mans spirituality. Becuse when God gave his first creations (Lucifer et al.l) everything they still betrayed him so now you gotta work for it.
>>74989798
>>74990026
It's the hardest part for me. I mean if you look in the past, a lot of people never got a chance to learn about the Christ. Neither Africans, nor American indians, nor Australians. They were born to die and then forever suffer for their sins. Or maybe they don't have immortal souls like animals. All what I can do is be glad that I am not one of them.
>>74990158
You would. But you would immediately stop it because it's degenerate.
>>74990391
Slicka min pung, blek cuck.
>>74987905
>Tfw Yahweh killed millions in the Old Testament.
Are you illiterate or just can't be bothered to read the damn book.
>>74987085
Because we need balance
>>74987085
>implying KEK isn't Satan
>implying KEK isn't more powerful then God.
M8, I got proof right here.
>>74990480
What is the point of having life and consciousness on earth before going to eternal heaven/hell? If god knows which way will go already why even do it?
We will all be better than 1st world by orders we can't even understand if we go to heaven. What is the point of anything before eternity?
Even with "free will" it is already determined...
>>74990687
this
>>74987085
>that mommy
>>74988007
African cultures are sometimes among the most beautiful in the world in regards to adornment and whatever. Too bad the niggers in America are so terrible, and the ones in Africa can scarcely survive in modernity.
>>74988301
the eternal fire meme
>>74990111
>I am not sure if I got the Trinity concept right
But you got trips
Checked.
>>74990809
>Satan
>rebels against God
>smart
picrelated.
Have you seen the degeneracy-thread? It was purged about an hour ago. That's all what Satan is about. He is converting humans to something worse than animals.
>>74987085
where's the fun in that ? plus satan begged god to be let go until the day of judgement, because he thinks he can win the challenge by corrupting all of mankind. do you even religion ?
>>74987085
God's classy, he wouldn't do that.
>>74987085
Why doesn't God turn the Earth into paradise if he is all-powerful?
An all-powerful being would test those created in his image by choosing not to interfere with them or the forces that negatively influence them.
>>74990809
Sounds exactly like kikes tbqh.
>>74989306
Why don't you get that just because you can do a thing does not mean you will do a thing? God COULD rape our free-will and force us to do whatever He wants. God doesn't do this though because He wants us to be more than walking meat algorithms that are compelled to act according to His will rather than choosing to.
>>74987238
>>74990715
So people GAIN a soul through conversion to Christianity(assuming the pick the right sect). How does original sin work for people that never had a chance to even know of Christian God?
Weird how it all falls apart when the world is bigger than a village in the Middle East.
>>74991139
looks like satan is winning that bet and if he does win god would be like "i wasn't serious i don't bet maaan"
literally nobody cares just post more awesome milf boobage
>>74991215
Well according to the bible he did it already. The problem is, after eating the forbidden fruits (why he placed this fuckin tree there?), people for some reason could not live in paradise anymore.
>>74991215
we are not created in HIS image, we are created according to the image he had of us. if he turns earth to paradise then the unworthy would still be unsatisfied.
no, an all powerful creator would intervene to test the skeptics and the doubtful, even if they talk to god, they'd still be skeptical in the future. just like history, it's written it's there, yet mankind always repeat the same mistake over and over again.
Because Satan is a symbolic representation of the planet Saturn, you profane retard.
>>74989764
You know what to do.
>>74987085
he does in the sequel.
>>74991579
Why does God make unworthy people lol?
>>74991452
if you think satan is winning then you will know for sure when you die, so even talking about it is pointless, but why do you think satan is winning ? remember that satan's bet was that ALL mankind are corruptable and are a lesser creation of satan.
>>74991730
to prove a point to his worthy worshippers, what do you think ?
>>74987085
wow i'm a cruzmissile now
>>74988049
this. the reality is that its humanity against the world, including god and satan.
>>74987235
Exactly.
>>74989033
I have the ability to kill my retarded neighbors who let heir damn dog bark all day, but I limit myself because killing them ld not fit my sence of Justice. Gods sense of Justice is perfect so he limits himself for our benefit. He knows we are imperfect and inclined to do what is wrong. Be glad God Limits himself.
>let heaven get populated with rapists, murderers, furfags, homosexuals, and other evils.
Satan is my buddy. He takes care of all the shits for me.
>>74987581
>>74988049
i agree, its like the titties in op's pic. Its just not the same without the other one there.
>>74992052
god is unlimited you idiotic obese burgur, if he's limited he'd say so, which he didn't.
>>74992052
That's a nice bedtime story to tell the starving children while the oil magnate sits in his glass tower eating lobster.
>>74991740
because humans are corruptable every last one. why do you think they wrote the bible in the first place? it's a set of laws to abide by, so government in its early stages. man needs to be shaped into a upright citizen he isn't born that way.
Cuz maybe he doesnt give a fuck about humans.
>>74987085
>Why doesn't God kill Satan if he's all powerful ?
HE will but not now right now its not neccasary bc satan is a loser and if you genuinely follow Jesus you can be saved and follow the Holy Spirit
we dont know exactly when Jesus will come to throw satan into the pit but it will happen
get saved now
>>74991652
No, you blithering nu-male cuck.
Satan is a fucking Latin word that translates to enemy, or adversary. Anything in opposition to the Church at the time was labeled 'Satan' and anyone leading an opposition was given the Mark of the Beast, which initially was 616, and part of a numerical coding system designed to covertly point out the 'Satans' or enemies of the Church, which at the time happened to be political leaders in power who would have publicly hung the clergy if they openly named the leaders as their enemies. Thus they encoded it and placed it within their holy books to inform their followers. With each new Satan, a new number was printed. This, along with missing texts and mistranslations caused what you all know now as 666.
>>74988671
Don't be anointed child of our God almighty. There is only the love and light of our Lord in the end, and he is always with you. Faith through all things brother, and rejoice for a burdensome task well done until it's over.
>>74991823
So God loves ALL of his creations even the ones he makes that are guaranteed eternal hell?
>>74992266
as imperfect people we are all worthy of imediate death, But God does not impose that sentence on us eternally. He offers us the opportunity to repent and gain the prize of everlasting life.
(Psalm 37:29) 29The righteous will possess the earth, And they will live forever on it...
>>74987085
he already did, our consciousness is just not sophisticated enough to understand this, because of the limitations in our concept of logic.
When you place shackles of human logic & argument on god, you are really only placing those shackles on yourself and your understanding of god.
god bless you
>>74990832
If you honestly don't see the point of life why don't you kill yourself? I'm not trying to be mean I'm just asking. If you can't see any beauty in this existence that makes our suffering worthwhile what are you holding on for?
>>74987085
OH FUCK DUDE
DID YOU JUST TRY TO USE LOGIC WHEN TALKING ABOUT RELIGION?
>>74992302
not all humans are corruptable, they may sin but not ALL humans are corruptable. the bible is just a book that has some truth and lots of overwrites and is NOT a holy book. if all humans are corruptable then how did abraham ignore his doubts about the fire and trusted god ? if all humans are corruptable then why wasn't moses skeptical about crossing the sea ? if all humans are corruptable then why did noah ignore all the people who told him he's crazy for building the ark ? many examples come to my mind but i can say this, the uncorruptable ones are the least mentioned, least noticed, most humble and most faithful of a merciful god. btw not everyone is a christian.
>>74992278
The solution is what people pray for when they pray the Lords Prayer.
God's Kingdom will resolve all these problems. His will, will be done in heaven and on earth, when the time is right.
>>74992755
the only one that is guaranteed eternell hell is satan, everyone else has a choice to follow Jesus or not
>>74990053
It's modern Christians who treat Job as historical. Ancient Jews thought it was an exaggerated story to teach a lesson.
If it is historical, I have a real fucking problem with it. What it says about God is not good.
>>74992988
You just said God makes people that are not worthy though...
What abut people that never had a chance to hear about Jesus?
>>74992755
not really, god hates who hate him and will have them tortured for ever, god will deceit those who think they can deceit god or his followers, like the rabbis, priests and mullas who twist his word.
>>74993036
But the point was, why doesn't He simply destroy Satan?
And the answer is that Satan is his servant, created for a purpose.
Satan is not this pagan 'prince of darkness' like catholics believe in. He's simply the adversary, the tester, the inquisitor. He was created for a reason, just like everything else.
>>74993036
God allowed Job to be tested by Satan to the limits of his endurance and God was confident that Job would prove faithful, which he did. ob was restored to healt and blessed by God for his faith and obedience. All of us were brought into this issue because Satan made that claim that all men would forsake god if tested,
>>74992804
My point in life is not dependent on God.
I'm just trying to enjoy myself. I honestly know very little directly from religion and find it very interesting how people get so into it.
Your idea of me killing myself assume there is no value without the expectation of an afterlife. I don't kill myself because I assume this is all I get. The question I posed has to do with why God even bothers testing people on earth.
>>74992885
potential to be corrupted doesnt mean failure at the first chance
we are naturally fallen and can never be as high as God and can not save our own selves
that why we need Jesus to grant us real life by accepting Him as Lord and following Him
>>74993132
>What abut people that never had a chance to hear about Jesus?
no one is worthy by themselves to save themselves but we are His creation thats why Jesus died for us all so we have the opportunity to accept His salvation and live with Him as Lord.
every single person has a chance to turn to God, many just ignore it over and over. after a long awhile of you deliberately refusing God He will leave you alone to your own devices tho, but even former satanists have been saved and given their life to Jesus
>>74990715
>sex is degenerate.
Whatever created us coded sex into our DNA.
Sex is not soft. Or slow. Or "innocent." Or clean. Or only in the missionary position under an immaculate white sheet in a dark room for the purpose of procreation.
So is the creator confused that he would make sex what it is and then tell us it's degenerate?
Rules against things like adultery I get. Don't use sex in a way that it hurts other people (real damage, not slap her ass hurt).
But wanting to do 'nasty things' like spew all over a woman's face...this is "degenerate"?
Then God fucked up our DNA and shouldn't blame us for that shit.
>>74992804
I don't see any deeper meaning or purpose in life.
That doesn't mean I wanna kill myself.
At our most basic level, we're programmed by evolution to avoid taking harm that would come to us. And evading death seems like the case where this wil show the best.
Anyways.
In the end, we all turn back to dirt. The neurons and the electrical signals that made up the self-concious "you" will be gone and the body rots away with it.
But I intend to enjoy the ride while it lasts.
>>74987085
god gave everyone free will which enabled the ego. All egos are potential satans. People have to make a choice one way or the other. It is not for god to choose, but we are all destined to go back to the source eventually. Even Satan himself one day will merge back into god.
>>74988223
This and nice Harli
>>74993234
no God loves all he hates sin in them, except for the fallen angels and satan
>god will deceit those who think they can deceit god or his followers, like the rabbis, priests and mullas who twist his word.
yeah thats an entirely different level above sinning that is straight evil and God condemns those people eventually BUT some do repent and turn to God so its important we judge but dont condemn others
>>74987085
necessary evil you heathen faggot
>>74988813
They were actually tricked/manipulated by Satan.
If ANGELS can get fucked over, think of what can be done to us.
>>74993036
>People die when their house collapses for no reason in a world with no God
>perfectly acceptable and in no way troubling
>People die when their house collapses on them to prove a greater cosmic point for all eternity
>this troubling and a sign that God is not good
I honestly don't understand why some people are more comfortable with the idea that horrible things happen for no reason than they are with the idea of horrible things happening for a reason.
>>74993422
>can never be as high as god
who said we are ? no right person can make himself equal to god on any level, that is pure ego, that's what satan is damned for, claiming that he's better than adam, not even satan claimed to be on the same level with god, are you crazy ? we are not fallen you idiot, we are being tested, we either pass or we don't.
>>74993465
Maybe you believe in faggot-genes as well? In sex there is nothing to think about. Just do it with your wife or forget about it.
>>74993387
One concept does not necessarily invalidate the other....
>>74987085
You make your kids
do you prevent your kids from making mistakes?
or do you let them make mistakes in order to learn?
>>74987341
edgy
>>74989834
not true
in the bible god is a being, this is why the bible is a satanic book
if you think critically, you would know god isn't the god in the bible
this is why the word god is bad. Because it means both divine being and star of the international best seller "the bible" by the 12 hebrews
>>74993422
>no one is worthy by themselves to save themselves
So people can only be saved through the church?
What about uncontacted tribes? They literally never have heard about Jesus. Or are they offered salvation after death? Is the church even necessary? Who has the correct accounts and word of god then?
>>74992760
Why would you post this racist image?
Ugh...disgusting
>>74993387
This.
Christians do judaism wrong. That's why there is christianity in the first place. It's the bible done wrong
If God interferes, He will break the Arch of Time.
>>74987085
muslim answer
he was until satan asked him for immortality, then he gave it to him until the day of judgement
pro tip: satan is not as important as you think
>>74993387
Because we couldn't find our way to Him without some sort of evil.
It shows us that God is good.
>>74993651
Then how can anyone know who is selling them the right path to God? Who wrote the bible?
>>74987085
why does she wear anal beads around her neck?
>>74993625
>fallen angels
no such thing exists, fallen angels is a word used by satan and his followers to fool the silly minded like yourself into believing their sincerity.
i know real sorcerers who told me about their"fallen angels" and their powers, it definitely fits the description of witchcraft.
Satan provides an important object lesson, which is the true consequences of idolatry, or worship of things that aren't meaningfully powerful. Even things that are 'real' like human endeavor, can be idolatry if you don't acknowledge that God is the one who made it all possible.
I don't think God wants to kill anyone, reality is a lonely enough place as it is. This is just my opinion.
Satan won't repent and defies rules that have more serious consequences. My documentation is just the fact that Satan doesn't seem to want the same forgiveness that everyone else needs/wants, and he also hasn't been born in a flesh body like everyone else (including God)
>>74993688
Because if shit just happens cuz shit happens, then it just something we've gotta deal with.
I'd rather want that than knowing there is some supernatural dictator with the power to stop horrible events, but whom doesnt.
>>74987085
He does though, satan is already condemned to death sentence. That's why he came up with jesus, so he could fool mankind with the antichrist and that's why jesus is so revered in spite of claiming he would be hated everywhere.
Antichrist checklist:
[x] 1 John 4:3 The antichrist was already there on that time.
[x] Revelation 17:8 The antichrist will rise from the abyss (done by jesus after 3 days dead bible claims).
[x] Revelation 13:14 Will fool the world with miracles.
[x] Thessalonians 2:4 Claimed godhood and this is still claimed of him.
[x] Exerts his authority for 42 months, this is the time jesus spent preaching.
[x] Daniel 7:25 Will change the law of God (Jesus claims not to change the law but then says to do things differently).
[x] Revelation 3:9 His folowers will claim to be jews (christians) but are not. Fullfiled again, try and have a jesusboi do miracles and shit like that.
[x] Revelations 13:14 The image of the beast who was wounded, yet lived, will be worshipped (jesus on a stick).
[x] Revelations 13:15 Many who do not worship the beast are killed (inquisition, etc).
[x] Revelation 13:16-17 People will receive his mark unwillingly (you are baptized traitorously at birth).
>C-counterfeits are made to look like the original!
Actually, since jesus has been placed there, and the bible already warns in jeremiah 8:8 that the law (scripture is the law) was changed, we don't even know wtf was there to begin with.
>>74991174
nice proxy
>>74993987
You answered that in your next question. To the bible.
>Who wrote the bible?
Supposedly, many people who were visited by true angels or received some sort of omen or vision. It was a several people selected in some supernatural way. They were chosen by God to spread the word and write the rules.
>>74994183
your documentation is the stuff written by Peter, a disciple of Jesus? God is like what, a time traveller now?
He's almost as strong as a Time Lord!
>>74994051
Fallen Angels are just demons.
People need to stop calling them that.
>>74987085
Because Satan is his wife's son
>>74994117
This is pretty much my hangup with God.
If you are all powerful and all knowing and allow terrible things to happen to innocent people it is the same as doing it to them. This makes you bad.
>>74987085
because if you kill satan, and if you kill satan you kill evil, and if you kill evil there is only good, and if there is only good then there no free will
>>74994463
i agree bud
>>74993465
Sex is degenerate and you know it.
being coded for animal tendencies doesn't mean having control over those urges isn't the most noble way.
sex not done out of love is total degeneracy.
>>74993472
>Even Satan himself one day will merge back into god.
naw all of satan and the evil and sin will be burned off in hell and be destroyed forever
God is so Holy HE must destroy evil to be more of Himself, thats what happens after the 1000 yhears of JEsus on earth and satan in the pit then satan gets released and btfo once and for all by Gods army
>>74993744
>not even satan claimed to be on the same level with god
thats satans entirey story... satan was so butthurt and backwards that he got mad he couldnt be Jesus and tried to hurt God and God cast him down
work/merits are evidence not justification for saving
>>74993857
>So people can only be saved through the church?
no through the living God Jesus Christ
also fyi the church is all the people who genuinely live with Jesus as their Lord, church is not a building
>What about uncontacted tribes?
God offers Himself in a way we would understand and if you follow the Holy Spirit you would be lead to Jesus. that DOES NOT mean that there are many ways to God, it just means that there is only one path but God would never give us a task we couldnt handle. bc of this tho satan tricks people into thinking there are other options and thats why false spirituality is so rampant. the way you can tell the difference is by testing the spirits
>Or are they offered salvation after death?
maybe right before but i wouldnt want to chance it bc God knows the difference between actually wanting to know Him and asking for favors bc its too late, it all depends on your heart and if you really want to know God
Is the church even necessary?
see my above comment
>Who has the correct accounts and word of god then?
Jesus Christ , the Holy Spirit, and God the Father in Heaven
if you want to learn about Him you can read the gospels but more importantly then any of that why dont you genuinely ask
>God if youre real would you please save my soul if I have one
if you honestly seek truth you will find Jesus
>>74994051
see>>74994463
>>74992804
No, he's saying what's the point of life if there can be paradise? Why make people live and suffer if he could just make them in paradise?
>>74994463
>demons vs fallen angels
what the fuck nigga it's just semantics
ps bible doesnt mention demons
>>74993387
>But the point was, why doesn't He simply destroy Satan?
>And the answer is that Satan is his servant, created for a purpose.
>Satan is not this pagan 'prince of darkness' like catholics believe in. He's simply the adversary, the tester, the inquisitor. He was created for a reason, just like everything else.
Let's say I create a simulation with self aware AIs. To them their sim is real, as large as our universe is to us. I win the Nobel prize and become the world renowned expert in AI.
2 years later a group of scientists come visit me to see how the sim is going. "Oh, yeah, I created this twisted beast to torture the beings in my sim. It's a "test." The ones who pass get a better the sim. The rest will be tortured for all eternity."
FLAWED HUMANS would rightfully condemn me, arrest me, put me in a padded cell, and take the simulation so they could correct it so none would suffer.
But you want me to believe a perfect + all powerful + loving God gets his rocks off watching people being tortured?
>God allowed Job to be tested by Satan to the limits of his endurance and God was confident that Job would prove faithful, which he did.
>Job was restored to healt and blessed by God for his faith and obedience.
Jobs kids were killed. You ever lose a child? Any loved one? You can't fix that shit with some material blessings. Job was not restored. He was permanently ruined. (If, in fact, it's history.)
>All of us were brought into this issue because Satan made that claim that all men would forsake god if tested,
Some faggot who gets off abusing animals walks up to me. "I bet your dog would foresake you if you let me beat the shit out of it."
My response? "You may be right."
Then I kick the living shit out of the asshole for even suggesting he would touch my dog. I make sure he understands if he ever even thinks of laying a finger on someone or something I love I will fucking kill him and enjoy doing it.
Was Job worth less to God then a dog? Am I?
Muslim here. Ill explain God and Shaytan if anyone is interested.
>>74993913
facts are facts, heathen.
>>74994557
I think calamity is an important part of freedom and having so many people alive.
So why make so many souls? This also makes me mad, that there are billions of people to take care of.
But then I realize that having lots of people makes reality more interesting and exciting, and you have to create them all at once, otherwise the older ones would have a huge advantage
And then I realize that sorrow is just a matter of degrees, and I'm mainly pissed about something specific that I personally suffered.
>>74994384
Then how is there revision or parts that get removed?
How do you know what version/denomination is right?
If 2 people say God came to me and told me what to write but they write different things one of them is wrong.
How many of them are just trolling? How is it possible to know? Is every person going to be visited by God and told what is right? How can that be if so many go different ways? Are you just supposed to pick the most popular version?
>>74993651
>people actually believe this
god with this angel devil shit you guys are worse than weebs
>>74987085
Where's the fun in that?
>>74994799
in an infinite period of time, the dog will get its ass kicked an infinite number of times
the training has to start somewhere
>>74994463
>>74994704
i want to clarify that why i say fallen angels is bc im trying to set the story straight, a lot of times(bc of media) people think God and sin are some kind of star wars/ying yang stuff which is completely false and i just wanted to position things how they are
>demons are scum that tried to take over and God thew them all out
>satan and demons have limited power but use "magick" to convince humans to follow them
>satan,demons, and evil people are rendered infantile if you call on the name of Jesus Christ to protect you and to cast out the evil away from you
>>74987085
He gaves him some good weeeeed dude.
>>74994809
>Muslim here. Ill explain God and Shaytan if anyone is interested.
Explain why you're in Canada on 4chan and not in the middle east fucking a goat.
>>74994749
bc real love is something we choose, God gave us freedom so we can make a decision if He just made us obedient then that would be slavery and thats not Gods style
>>74993397
No you're missing what I'm getting at.
Asking why God would put us here on earth strongly implies you don't see any positive benefit to life on earth. So if you don't see any positive benefit to life on earth the logical response would be to kill yourself, the fact that you feel an aversion to doing so doea not negate this as thousands of people are able tl overcome this aversion every day.
The fact that you do not kill yourself strongly implies that have managed to find something in this world that gives the experience value. Which is why I said I'm not trying to be mean when I'm asking why don't kill yourself, I'm trying to get you to recognize the pleasures in life we experience thanks to God (from a Christian perspective), that are clearly taking for granted.
>>74994730
its not about jesus you idiot, it's about adam and his jealousy of adam. god commanded the angels and satan was there, to kneel before adam, all the angels obeyed except satan he disobeyed and grew arrogant.
jesus is a prophet just like the others, all prophets are to be followed, but none are worthy of worship.
>>74995016
>all powerful loving god can't create a universe without violence
>>74995058
Im a revert.
>>74994730
>the church is all the people who genuinely live with Jesus as their Lord, church is not a building
Then people asking me to come to a church are wards of Satan trying to steer me wrong?
So most Christians are doing it wrong and going to hell? How can you trust any one? Is the Bible of any value if you just need to be directed by god?
>>74995020
are you one of those people who think american culture is the most relevant and everyone should be familiar with ?
you don't set the story straight by choosing the wrong words.
>>74995142
no violence of any kind
also no hurt feelings
and no sports
no strong emotions, those might get out of hand
and you can't have preferences powerful enough to require violence from you
like protecting your dog from someone
but they wouldn't care about your dog either
I mean really, what's the point? lets just have sex for the 100 quadrillionth time, but remember nothing rough
>>74994799
>The ones who pass get a better the sim. The rest will be tortured for all eternity."
The concept of 'tortured for all eternity' is also trinitarian-pagan nonsense. The notion doesn't appear in the bible at all.
>>74993967
Early christians were a jewish sect that I think actually got a lot right. But when the 'apostolic fathers' got ahold of their writings, they twisted and misinterpreted and misappropriated and wound up creating a form of Roman paganism with fashionably Judaic accessories.
>>74993469
Have you ever looked around and actually thought, contemplated your own existence. How did you get here? How can this world be so perfect? How can life be so fragile yet it managed to become what we are today? Is it so much different to believe there is an Allmighty as it is to believe we began from nothingness?
>>74994117
You have to deal with it regardless.
Why not operate under the assumption that there is purpose to what you are going through?
There are countless figures in this world who could save you from discomfort but do not because it's not part of their plan. Why does one more bother you so much?
>>74987085
Lets say you play minecraft. You play it for years, you have created huge castle, with elevators and everything you have created computer inside the game you have moved every irritation block and create everything in perfect harmony and logic. Then what. You will just sit there and watch it nothing you can do more to improve it. So eventually you will create Wither or something like this. Its just boredom.
>>74995469
eternal suffering is probably not biblical, just as he said
gehenna (hell) is the trash heap outside jerusalem. Hell is being seperated from the party
in another place it says the 'smoke of his destruction rises forever and ever' implying that real permanent death is a possibility, which is frankly far more terrifying to me than just suffering forever, at least in hell there is hope
God is very powerful. But his mana regen is very slow. He used up all his spellpower in the 20s, he has to rest a while before he can cast again.
>>74987085
Because you have to have good and evil to balance out eachother.
>>74995095
No I don't see god putting us here.
My life is fine and has no need for christian god to make it so.
I think your response is flawed.
>Asking why God would put us here on earth strongly implies you don't see any positive benefit to life on earth
I just think it would be unnecessary for god to do this.
That is aside from me enjoying my limited life and trying to provide a future for my family after me.
>>74995020
btw, calling the name of jesus christ will do jackshit, with all respect to jesus, but you are making partners with god, remember kid, that god is above all, jesus is a prophet, not son of god, not god, not a spirit of god. the thing that makes jesus so special is that his soul and seed were made up there, and then delivered to down here, which is a biological miracle.
>>74995709
one day of memorizing new spells is as a thousand years with the Lord
>>74995095
Sod off.
Not killing one self doesn't imply any divinity.
Yeah, there is no deeper meaning in life. We're just matter and energy arranged in a different way than other things.
By your logic, you could tell the nihilist to stop watching a football match halfway through. Because in the end it won't matter anyways.
But if the match is good, you might as well enjoy watching it to the end.
>>74995819
"Before Abraham was, I AM"
that sure pissed the jews off
>>74987085
there's no satan
only us and god
>>74994749
So that you can appreciate that paradise is not the default state of existence.
If you did not know there was light you would not know you were in darkness. If there were no darkness you would not know you were in light.
This isn't some 2deep4u metaphysical bullshit it's basic logic.
>>74987085
Someone once said because god's law says thou shalt not kill.
But why then does god kill everyone and everything on earth?
>>74995517
That is not the same as saying "this version of god and creation is the 100% true version" especially when significant portions of the scripture are proven to be false.
>>74987085
Mercy.
>>74995917
that was actually the work of jews to corrupt jesus's message, and their trick worked, christians are naive.
>>74987085
God wishes to torment us
>>74996094
But if you sin just once, even if it's just stealing a loaf of bread you will be punished for eternity.
>>74996022
Explain your current ability to shit post on the internet.
>>74994799
thats not the story tho. imagine you the developer created the simulation and one iteration decided to "play the not game" and not be used for its purpose and this character within your created simulation started corrupting other files and convinced them that they can kill you and become the developer themselves, and even declared there intent to do so. you being the developer said "nah" and kicked it out of the main drive and into some obscure partition that only the corrupted versions go to. you dont delete everything bc of the good parts that never even started running yet. over time this corrupted file corrupts a main component of the simulation but you being the developer copy yourself and enter the simulation as both super user and a simulated file. you show the simulation how to live and to follow you and die for it so that it has a chance to live with you forever. over time tho some choose death adn to follow the corrupted file/virus/satan and not you and life and this hurts you but you gave them freedom, so you give everyone a chance to follow you and despite being corrupted the chance to be saved if they really want to, but the source of the corrupted iteration must be destroyed for the rest to live
so at the very end of the simulation you enter agian and lock away the virus in a far away partition where it can longer corrupt others whilst you clean out the simulation at the end of you 1000 year cleaning out and ruling you let open the partition and once and for all destroy the corruption and you and all the good parts that followed you live forever in a perfect simulation
>>74995138
are you muslim?
Jesus is the son of God not just a prophet
>>74996219
Source?
>>74994891
>Then how is there revision or parts that get removed?
I believe because when times change, God has to change things for us in order for us to live more comfortably. That could be why things are edited or downright removed. At the time they were okay, but not in the present. See the old and new testament.
>How do you know what version/denomination is right?
This is where a lot of people are deceived. Most people claim the King James bible is the only correct interpretation, as there are purposeful flaws in the others. You could say that because it is the most popular, it is the most approved, but then you could argue God willed it to be the most popular.
>If 2 people say God came to me and told me what to write but they write different things one of them is wrong.
I can understand why you think this.
But the bible is filled with hyperboles and metaphors. Not only that, but like I said, the writers could have been born in different times.
>How many of them are just trolling?
>How is it possible to know?
I doubt God would let that person successfully write in the bible. He wouldn't want his Holy word tarnished.
>Is every person going to be visited by God and told what is right?
No, because not everyone is worthy and honest enough. That's why he selects a special few.
>How can that be if so many go different ways?
What did you mean by this, desu?
>>74989036
God allows this to happen to little girls.
Makes you think.
>>74996266
jesus is not a son of god, he's a prophet.
god doesn't beget nor is begotten.
>>74996403
nice iranian propaganda
>>74987085
Would you kill your own son?
>>74995517
>How did you get here?
Mom and dad fucked. Their parents fucked and so on back to some primeordial soup.
>How can this world be so perfect?
Perfect? Wether the world is perfect or not is completely subjective. And if it weren't for intelligent beings, it wouldn't even be a question in the first place.
Besides, the universe is subjectivly pretty shit, seeing how it will soon enough vanish into a thin mist of nothingness
>how can life be so fragile yet it managed to become what we are today?
Evolution n shiet. You haven't lived in hole for the past 20 years, you know of what I speak.
> Is it so much different to believe there is an Allmighty as it is to believe we began from nothingness?
Not really.
But at least with the latter, you aren't born feeling like you owe some supernatural being something for letting you exist in the first place.
>>74996403
Like it would be preferable for God to constantly intervene and micromanage everything, lol.
>>74995818
>>74995861
Jesus fucking Christ retards I'm not saying this is evidence of divinity. It was asked why God would send humans to earth rather than just creating it so that they go to Paradise. I gave a plausible explanation, that being that God wants us to experience the joys that come with life on earth.
Why the hell are atheists so hostile to the idea of god even as a thought experiment to understand the logical underpinnings of theology?
>Talking about a fallen angel instead of the semen demon
Faggots.
>>74996505
Would you give your life for a purpose greater than yourself?
>>74996476
(You) (You)
>>74987085
Because then you can't easily explain why bad shit happens to people who wont ever be interested enough to delve into theology.
Satan is a easy concept, and I can explain all the evil thing I've seen and experienced through this evil dude who lives in a metaphysicsl neverending deep cave.
>>74995252
>Then people asking me to come to a church are wards of Satan trying to steer me wrong?
no, God is there when 2 or more gather in His name, the building you go to is a place they use to congregate to worship and learn about God.
are some congregations not about God and about money and members? yes
does that mean God is not real? no, remember Jesus hated that kind of ting and flipped pver tables and destroyed stuff at Jerusalem for people doing that at the congregation building
>>74995313
nothing i said has to do with american culture, i am telling you i know the difference but i did not know your understanding. and that i gave definitions for my words bc you misunderstood my meaning
>>74995819
>calling the name of jesus christ will do jackshit,
you have no idea what your talking about , I have called on God and He btfo out of demon things that were following a friend
>>74996404
you are contridicting the bible Jesus is the begotton son of God
John 3:16
>>74996403
Men allow that to happen to girls.
God is the ultimate Judge, God will judge all involved.
My last image macro regarding God.
>>74996294
Ten commandments.
"Thou shalt not steal. "
>>74996227
It's 2016
