What do you say to this, /pol/?
>>74978428
He's talking shit. It's very well documented how Hitler came to power.
>>74978539
Why would liberal read facts when their feelings are never wrong?
>>74978428
stupidity is inherent to humans, history will repeat itself.
desu i want Trump to win, i wanna se that shit crash and burn
>>74978539
fpbp
>>74978428
I would say
>Occupy Democrats
>sage
I'd ask her what comparison she sees in them? Hitler and Trump's rhetorical styles are totally different. Their strategies so far have been totally different. Even their ideologies are incredibly disparate.
What the fuck do these people ACTUALLY mean when they say this? Surely it's more than just "he hurts my feefees."
It would be nice to know why he's thinking that Trump is a new Hitler
>>74978539
This. There is an entire book devoted to it in Richard Evans Third Reich trilogy.
>>74978428
She couldn't even satisfy her husband how can she satisfy a nation?
How could a Harvard professor be perplexed about something like this. It doesn't take a fucking genius to understand. Holy shit these "I cant understand how people could have liked Hitler" comments trigger me so much. You're a retarded fucking piece of shit cunt if you can't understand it. KILL YOURSELF
>>74978646
>algeria
kek
opinion discarded
Sieg Heil, motherfucker!
>>74978428
Is this a pro Trump statement? Is he just now figuring out the jew problem
>>74978539
She means how the people accepted it and even supported it, rather than exactly what Adolf did
>>74978428
Hilary is using an organization called Correct The Record for online shilling.
The current shilling campaign is called Barrier Breakers, and has as its stated goal:
>Correct The Record will invest more than $1 million into Barrier Breakers 2016 activities, including the more than tripling of its digital operation to engage in online messaging both for Secretary Clinton and to push back against attackers on social media platforms...
>http://correctrecord.org/barrier-breakers-2016-a-project-of-correct-the-record/
>leftists not knowing how hitler rose to power
nobody's surprised, really
they always say some nonsense like brainwashing or intimidation
>Occupy democrats
I actually saw someone unironically share their shit on my normiebook the other day.
>>74978428
lions guard when?
>>74979067
OY VEY REMEMBA DA 6 SEPTILIGORILLION
>>74978428
1920-30's
>leftism goes overboard with their shit ideology(communism)
>Hitler rise to power to deal with the situation
2010-20u's
>leftism goes overboard with their shit ideology(cultural marxism, where occupy democrats are one of many useful idiots)
>Trump rises to power to deal with the situation
>>74978857
>>74978715
>What the fuck do these people ACTUALLY mean when they say this?
Leftists in your country have deluded themselves into believing that left wing ideology is the normal-people belief system and right wingers are a dying, fringe minority that is based on outdated beliefs.
Witnessing the popular swingback to moderate and right wing beliefs literally seems like the rise of fascism to them, since it's inconceivable that right wing beliefs could be motivated by anything other than mindless hate.
Contemporary leftists have been on top so long that they have lost touch with normal social viewpoints and are no longer able to empathize with moderate and right-wing perspectives.
The GOP establishment had the same problem and they were swept aside because of their inability to understand the "alt right" or adapt their platform to what conservatives care about now.
>>74978428
>Germany got fucked after WW1 with reparations
>Jews took over and fucked their economy
>Hoarded all the Gold while Women burned fiat currency in their stoves to keep warm.
>Make Germany Great Again
Why is this perplexing?
>>74978428
>Harvard professor
>doesn't understand how hitler got elected
>doesn't understand the political climate in Germany and how the treaty of Versailles pissed off the populace
The incompetence... Even if you hate hitler, it's easy to why he got elected
Wait, what the fuck. It's really fucking easy to understand how Hitler rose to power. I understood this back in Highschool. Did he not know that the Treaty of Versailles existed?
>>74980780
>Expand economic and political power and domination
>Avoid foreign entanglements
>Limit immigration
>Practice limited protectionism
Oh wait, those are all literally the policies of the Founding Fathers.
>>74978428
Damn.... that really makes me think. really deep
>everything i don't like is Adolf Hitler meme
This needs to stop
>>74978428
Why are libcunts so active in sabotaging their best boogeyman for the last seven or so decades? They've cried wolf so much this election cycle that calling anyone "literally Hitler" will have virtually no impact in the years to come.
>>74978428
>harvard professor
>has no idea how hitler came to power
seems par for the course
>>74978681
>sage
It goes in all fields
>>74979067
I once saw a lefty claim Hitler was "Socially Awkward and didn't know how to talk to people"
>>74978804
This
>how can people make decisions?!
>how can people construct worldviews?!
democrats are fucking babies
>>74978428
2010
>Obama is satan and the antichrist! we are all doomed!
2016
>Trump is hilter!! we are all doomed!!
>>74980780
I don't remember George III being that much of a fucking legend
>>74981109
no, it needs to continue, because people with actual education know hitler was really a successful leader and nation builder before the war ruined his reputation
So a great man has to rise up to stop communist jews
Yeah i can see what he means
>>74978428
>Allen
Everything a jew dislikes is Hitler.
>>74978428
Isn't american academia supposed to be good?
What is this?
Leftist butthurt is glorious! Keep them tears flowing like whine you cucked bitches!
>>74978428
How can a professor claim this shit? Circumstances of Versailles were different on so many aspect. What and attention whoring cunt.
>>74981252
He isn't, hilariously enough, it's a picture from an Assassin's Creed DLC.
Where Washington becomes a King rather than a President.
>>74978428
>appeal to authority
Or did he mean having foreigners fuck with your country and the people rising up to fend for themselves?
>>74978428
Absolutely correct, probably doesn't know why though.
>He was such a bad person
>My feelies were hurt
Liberals will believe anything they are told. They can't think for themselves
>>74978976
Jacques Ellud - Propaganda
Try harder.
>>74978428
>allen
>>74978976
>She means
She can speak for herself, you sexist pig.
On that same token, I now understand how a nation can grow to hate a minority group enough to genocide them
>>74978428
how will he recover from this massive stumping?
rest in pepperonies, i cri evri time.
>>74978428
Leaders rise when problems need solving. Imagine that.
>>74978428
post this to all occupy democrats bait
>>74979552
I thought it was more like this:
1920-30's
>A Germany that has been economically and physically destroyed by WWI is the suicide capital of the world.
>Hitler exposes the corrupt leaders of the incompetent Wiemar Republic for the extreme devaluation of the currency and disproportionate number of Jewish leaders and promises the German people prosperity.
2010-20u's
>A divided American nation starts to look at new political ideas after realizing the nation is in several trillion dollars of debt and infested with "progressive" far left SJW and anti-white ideas.
>Trump promises to start making money in trade deals and says he will open the markets and get rid of waste, abuse and fraud in government programs. Trump promises to make America great again like Adolf Hitler promised a prosperous Reich.
I'm not a national socialist but I am starting to feel that Hitler has been unfairly demonized by history. It's a shame that most people don't look past the 6 gorrilion and never see a more human-like figure. The similarity between Hitler and Trump is really reaching out there, but leftist always find similarities between Hitler and the things they don't like.
>>74978428
>harvard professor
Of what? Because if it isn't history or politics, he can fuck off with his worthless opinion. If it is, I'm sure he'll have no problem explaining precisely why the two are similar other than "hurr, they're both popular and they both love their country"
>>74978428
>>74980920
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>>74980920
>>74981318
American Academia is a complete joke. It's full of middle class and rich snobs who only care about information that suites their own beliefs, rather than suiting their beliefs to the information available. They ran liberalism into the ground by spreading ideas that became today's feminism and social justice movements only to make themselves look smarter than everyone else. There's a reason why American education is mocked as one of the worst in the Western World.
They didn't even stand knee deep in water and claim to have swam an entire ocean.
>>74978428
Once you realize the U.S. is no different than the Weimar Republic, it does all seem to fall in place.
>>74978428
It's almost as if society must and should organize itself in such a way that it does not become necessary (or at the very least, that it does not legitimately seem to the majority to be necessary) to install a Hitler or a Trump.
>>74978428
So now we're the Weimar Republic. Such a ridiculous analogy from a college professor.
>>74981960
The insane thing about segregation in modern times is that blacks still practice self segregation.
>>74981802
>but leftist always find similarities between Hitler and the things they don't like
Couldn't have said it better myself
>>74978976
Stop mansplaining you fucking shitlord.
![Danielle-Allen[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/vSQXPk0.jpg "Danielle-Allen[1].jpg")
>professor of ethics
Into the garbage it goes.
>>74982143
That's actually so sad.
At times, it fostered the greatest minds of humanity while two great wars raged in europe, coalescing in an academic environment that was and still is a testament to the power of white western minds combined...
How can something fall so low...
Marxist revolution and the loss of traditional protectorial values is what I'm thinking
>>74981802
you forgot about the jewish attempted overthrow of the government
>>74982013
Professor of abstract human art probably.
>>74978976
How did the emus come to power in Australia?
>>74982261
hell safe spaces are basically segregation spots.
>>74978428
Yes. The Jews pushed too hard then, too.
History repeats itself, hopefully.
It's funny how gas chambers never existed except in Jewish fairy tales... but they might one day be memed into existence when we rid them from the country once again.
>>74978428
I think Danielle Allen is a fucking white male who needs to stop mansplaining.
>>74982143
>american intellectuals
>>74982731
I was attempting to grasp at straws to show similarities between Hitler and Trump. The idea that everything I don't like is LITERALLY Hitler is so fucking general that I could point out similarities between Hitler and a mentally retarded dolphin.
>>74981985
... but we did elect a Muslim.
>>74978715
Escobar was more like hitler. I think he tried to mimic him in ways.
>>74980596
Underrated
>>74978428
O C C U P Y D E M O C R A T S
>>74982522
KEK SPEAKS
>>74978428
Really makes you think.
>>74978976
You mansplaining shitlord. Go fuck yourself.
>>74978715
I thought the part about trump you guys liked was his similarities with hitler, who you also like
>blame economic problems on mistrusted minority
>promise a return to international supremacy
>frame the current and previous governments as betrayers to foreign interests
Am I missing something here?
>>74979067
Nobody's denying he was popular. What they're saying is how he got popular
>>74978428
Comparisons to Hitler are proven to make Trump stronger. They seriously miscalculated on that one.
The left lost the Cold War, so now they're trying to turn the US into the Soviet Union. Trump represents the resistance movement.
>>74978428
Trump let his daughter fuck a jew.
Hds a traitor
>>74983060
>muh hitler didn't do anything wrong
>but if he had, it would've been the right thing to do
>>74983530
>Am I missing something here
/pol/ is not one person
>>74983665
Okay that's fine, I was talking to the people who do feel that way
Are you saying there's not a single person on /pol/ who wants trump to win and also thinks hitler did nothing wrong?
>>74978779
>Rich Evans
You do realise Rich is friends with Mike "See a Nigger, I'll pull that motherfucking trigger!" Stoklasa
>>74978976
> Australia makes good post
> gets trolled
It's k Australia we still love you.
>>74983088
>Pakistani intellectuals
It's only $60k for a worthless Bachelor's degree so get it while you can goy (just pay the 71% interest on the 30 year $60,000 loan that is compounded continuously) you should like it here, dad.
>>74983949
Stop trying to understand Australian shitposting. Australia has the best shitposters, folks. Australia, and to a lesser extent Britain, has a population that is largely consisted of low-income, low class scum. And unlike America we don't believe in a DREAM that can uplift us from this fucking nightmarish society - we're sceptical as fuck.
So yeah my point is, don't try to understand Australian/British shitposting. You think you've seen an Aussie finally let his guard down on /pol/ and you've trolled the troll? You think that faggot actually wants to justify the Harvard Professor's statement? No. That bogan is probably a little bit bored and wants to bait some responses. He probably closed the tab as soon as he posted it, content that you faggots would reply
>>74978428
>Harvard Professor
She can't even figure out what is contextualization in History.
They should fire such an incompetent retard, reductio ad hitlerum is the dumbest fucking argument that anyone can put up.
>I disagree with someone
>He is Hitler incarnated
Pretty much how the leftists labelled Berlusconi as a dictator and the second come of Mussolini.
Total intellectual dishonesty
>>74984586
>He probably closed the tab as soon as he posted it
kek
I can only see career shitposters doing that. Must be the wildlife and petty criminal ancestors.
Hitler was a brilliant man who did a ton for Germany but Occupy Democrats are attempting to spin this into a "hur dur dur remember the totally real holocaust das means Trump bad".
>>74984816
You should try it sometime. Nothing like shitting out a post, closing the browser, playing a cheeky game of CS:GO, opening the thread again and having your shitty toshiba laptop slow down to 3 frames per second due to 4chan X's desktop notifications
>muh reductio ad hitlerum
I'm confused
are leftists actually trying to make Trump look better than he actually is?
>Mixed mulatto mongrel who is a professor of education and government lacks the ability to understand the appeal of Adolf Hitler during a time of economic depression.
Fucking affirmative action and the vagina card are probably responsible for her being hired as a professor in one of the highest esteemed (overrated) universities in the nation.
>>74984879
>trying to deny the Reich's greatest accomplishment
Trump is a business man. He understands that the united states isn't all Mexican yet and he helps show its true colors by publicizing ignorance on a polished soapbox. The media allows it to be aired because its the narrative. What's trump going to do if he is president? Put us into bankruptcy?
It's all satire and people are parrots. He's not really going to do shit, Mexicans will stay. He lowers taxes who's going to go out of their way to protect the boarder if they're not getting payed?
>>74985403
>EBERYTHING I DUN LIKE IS LITERALLY FUCKING HITLER
Something having one similarity to Adolf Hitler is apparently enough to completely discredit whatever is like Hitler.
>>74983530
yes, youre missing a LOT of shit
trump is calling for a return to american independence and national dignity
previous admins WERE traitorous, selling out our sovereignty to the UN, NATO and popular opinion
trump is not blaming a minority for our economic woes, he is blaming a CRIMINAL CLASS (illegal aliens) for increasing social expenses, while the political class, (lefties) increase handouts and demand illegals get free shit
when a retarded child is waving a butcher knife at you, you can A: be a good leftie and smile as he expresses his special snowflake uniqueness and artistic talent with a few wild slashes and a couple stabs, and hope the ambulance arrives before you bleed out
OR
B: slap 7 shades of shit out of the tard and take the knife from him.
i guess we know which choice you made.
>2009
>lol those tea party idiots are so dumb, comparing obama to hitler just because they dont like him
>the year current
>Trump is Hitler you guys
>>74983530
>promise a return to international supremacy
Is this Trump(tm) policy? I through he was more of an isolatonist.
>>74980735
not to mention all the revolutions jews were starting. They sat back and reaped the rewards on the blood of millions.
>>74978428
Someone should send her this
>>74978428
Huh, but how's Trump gonna make a Reichstag fire?
If you were German under Hitlers power life was great.
It will be the same for us with Trump. (Though I am aware that its absolutely ridiculous to compare the two)
>>74986002
I was looking for that but I found pic related instead.
>>74985699
Trump can spew all the shit he wants, even with conspiracy theories like white genocide and gets office. He's still not going to hold his promises. He's just like the others. And if he tries to help the people he will likely bite it like JFK.
>>74986171
Murder Ted Cruz on the Senate floor
>>74986228
Would that be better than what Hillary or Hernie would do if they got in office?
>>74985441
Oh she is a half breed nig, makes sense. She is angry that the american people are resoundingly rejecting her shitty marxist identity politics and is screaming "hitler" in a childish fit
>>74983595
restarting Germany dying economy, creating jobs, and rebuilding national pride? It's not like an obscure reason why Hitler gained power.
>rich nigger complaining about another rich person
Wonder where she lives
Not in the ghetto, that's for sure
>Danielle Allen is Director of the Edmond J. Safra Center for Ethics at Harvard University and professor in Harvard’s Department of Government and Graduate School of Education. She is a political theorist who has published broadly in democratic theory, political sociology, and the history of political thought.
So some random humanities graduate teaching one of the most pointless university subjects has something to say? I don't give a single fuck, she is as ignorant as the everyman only more brainwashed.
Germans were sick of getting fucked over, Hitler promised and delivered change.
Americans are tired of getting fucked over, Trump is promising change. Hopefully he delivers.
>>74978428
Does anyone else think that its a little suspect that someone who is a Harvard educated political theorist couldn't figure out what circumstances led to the rise of the Nazi Party?
Seems to me like she's feigning ignorance to try to make her statement seem more profound. SAD!
That no professor should be this historically ignorant.
>>74985441
It says she's a classicist. I bet she can't even speak Greek or Latin. Not bragging but I know all the actually important Classicists and she is not one of them. Maybe she has a book or two, but her scholarship will be forgotten in under 10 years.
>>74986362
You don't get my point. it doesn't matter who holds office. They're not going to do shit. Another war is coming, more sensationalism about trivial issues, and then we have more scandals to be uncovered as a lineup for prime time TV, one of them being the NFL.
>>74986721
Good taste my fellow white.
And i am amazed by how the holohoax is shoved down the sheeple throats every single fucking day but where the fuck is the nanking massacre, the japanese war crimes, the soviet purges,gulags,the amazing "cultural conversion" by Mao that murdered millions of chinks, the german revolution (funded and directed by kikes) to bring 1930's germany down.
And the list goes on and on, it is a fucking fact that the CIA, MI6 and the roach intelligence funded the gas attacks on syrian civilians to frame assad and launch war on the middle east again, but the fucking normies just eat up whatever the fuck kikebook shits and believe that assad is a monster, just as Hitler, just as Gaddafi and every fucking cop that puts down an ape in self-defense.
God damn i fucking hate this world
>>74986448
>dying
*dead and obliterated
ftfy
The hyperinflation of the German mark was so bad that people used wheel barrows to carry all of the bills when they were paid. I've even heard of the German mark being used as fireplace kindle. Pic related is of children playing with the money by cutting it up. The Wiemar Republic actually printed trillion dollar bills during the hyperinflation.
ayyyyy
>>74987230
I've already accepted that Putin will start WWIII with Turkey over Syria and the war will see some low key small nuclear bombs and subsequently, the destruction of all major natural ecosystems.
>>74987738
lol
>>74978428
how dafuq can she be perplexed about Hitler came to power? his speeches were lit
Why do liberals hate nationalism?
>>74987738
oopsie
>>74988052
kikes-I mean yikes
>>74988109
forgot pic
>>74978428
>See PIC
>How OP views the world
>>74978539
Fucking this. The political climate in Germany was perfect for his rise. Why is a Harvard alumni this stupid? Is he just trying to show how cool he is by making the same comparison as millions of other idiots?
Trump is weak compared to Hitler desu senpai
>>74980596
This is perfect
>>74978428
Wow. Really makes me le think.
>>74978651
WHAT DOES FPBP MEAN
Hitler's rise to power was perfectly normal - it was well into his reign that he decided to go killing all the kikes.
>>74978428
Wow. Really made me think.
>>74980596
It's that insidious word "progressivism" they view politics as going from right -> left through time (ending in marxism I guess?) going 'right' is backwards to them.
>>74990983
Jesus Christ that pic
>>74982661
My regards to you, Portugalbro.
>>74978428
>people still have no clue how hitler rose to power
>call others uneducated and dumb
>>74984054
>tfw I'm literally getting too much money for college from scholarships
>tfw it's incentivized to be poor here
>>74978428
Germany wasn't bad when Hitler was in power
>>74978428
I'm going to guess Danielle Allen is a glasses wearing typical feminist. Let's see if I'm right /pol/
>>74978539
>one of the most documented and discussed and easily answered questions in fucking history
>still perplexed as to how hitler came to power
>>74994733
Ha, and she's a nigger too. Boom goes the dynamite.
>>74978428
I would say that's an appeal to authority, and thus a logical fallacy.
>>74978539
he's not saying he does not know, he's just perplexed about it.
>>74978539
This desu. Leftists don't read history, or they wouldn't be Leftists. It was never any question to me how Hitler came to power, reading about Wiemar Germany it is frankly astounding that it didn't happen sooner.
>>74991528
It's the Whig view of history that assumes that Historical Progression only occurs one way and one way only. Which is laughable in itself.
A nation in distress brings forth distressing leaders
>>74980596
Literally could not be more accurate or concise.
>>74978804
Have to agree. It's well covered and not complicated at all. Liberals are thick though.
>>74978428
So they can't even spend the time to actually understand how the most demonized person on Earth came to power? If Hitler being Hitler doesn't entail you to look into his leadership of Germany then maybe you shouldn't have opinions. Ever.
>>74978428
He provided nothing here. Absolutely nothing.
>>74991528
That picture is so cosy.
>>74978428
It doesn't say as much about Trump as it does about the shitty situation the USA are in right now.
It's literally one dude ranting about everything that's wrong with the country, and thus gaining public support because his ranting is spot on.
It made me remember the ending of Er ist wieder da where the guy says Hitler was a demon that deceived the people, but in reality he was always very straightforward with his goals, and people just naturally followed him, because deep inside they were the same and agreed with him.
>>74983530
>blame economic problems on mistrusted minority
Jews and bankers are real, so true
>promise a return to international supremacy
Who doesn't want to be number 1?
>frame the current and previous governments as betrayers to foreign interests
Again, Jews and bankers and in particular soros are to blame so true.
I see no issue with these claims
>>74978715
c'mon, son, it's not that hard, try to open your mind for a minute.
he's rethorical style may no be exactly the same, but he's using rethorical tricks to say what he's target wants to here.
he's blaming for all the shit that's going on in murrica to one segment of the population, separated by race, based on economical reasons.
their ideologies are not the same, ok, that's not what this guy is saying at all.
you can be all for trump and i can perfectly see why, just comparing him to the other candidates. but you have to be blind not to see that trump is a clown (a pretty smart one) playing a very straight satira.
admiring usa as i do (in certain aspects, not all of course), it's really sad to see a nation like yours having to entrust your near future to a character like trumpo. in my opinion (an invalid nigger one) these are sad times for usa.
I seriously don't understand the Adolf Trump meme.
Hitler was a self-proclaimed racial separatist.
Trump isn't.
Hitler saw capitalism as a huge issue.
Trump doesn't.
Trump believes his policies will benefit most legal non-white americans, especially blacks
Hitler didn't.
Hitler saw jews in general as an enemy.
Trump sees jews and Israel as friendly allies.
>>74978428
>political commentary guided by emotion
You racists of course Trump is like Hitler.
HES A FUCKING A WHITE A MALE A FUCKING A WHITE MALE A FUCKING A MALE A WHITE A FUCKING HES A MALE A FUCKING A WHITE A A A A MALE A FUCKING HES A MALE FUCKING!
>>74978428
Well shit, looks like i'm a #cruzmissile now
>>74995949
>he's blaming for all the shit that's going on in murrica to one segment of the population, separated by race, based on economical reasons.
I think, rather than race, we should use the term "nationality", because we are talking about illegal mexican immigrants, not hispanics in general.
And he is not too far away to the truth
>>74978428
after 8 years of whiny liberal cunts getting their way, even the most remote strain of conservatism rustles their jimmies. eat shit, liberal scum.
Hitler is more like Hillary desu. Both of them actively fight against a ruling class within society (white males=jews) and seek to destroy all of their power and influence and also both their names start with "Hi".
>>74980596
>Leftists in your country
>in your country
Nah, it's leftists in general
>>74981259
Dude hate speech doesnt belong here
>>74996448
Sure
I firmly believe that Trump is just telling people what they want to hear for the sake of winning the election, regardless of whether he himself agrees with it or not.
In other words, I think he just wants to win at all costs. I sort of doubt he actually has any intent to go through with what he's saying after winning.
>>74978804
I hope u have cancer
>>74997693
>I sort of doubt he actually has any intent to go through with what he's saying after winning.
Aren't candidates supposed to be accountable for their proposals? Like, being revoked and stuff?
If they aren't then why hold elections at all? Everyone can say anything and then do nothing. And that would apply to every single politician on earth.
>>74998039
>Everyone can say anything and then do nothing. And that would apply to every single politician on earth.
That already applies to every politician on earth.
Someone much worse than Hitler will rise if Trump doesn't become president
>>74978428
How fucking terrified are these cucks? Comparing people to Hitler was a meme before the internet was even developed, now they're repeating it in the hope that it'll somehow make people "realise" the "mistake they're making", these Jews are fucking hilarious. I can't wait for Trump to be elected
>Trump gets elected
>The Hitler meme no longer works
>The 6 million meme no longer works
>The racism/anti-semitism/bigot meme no longer works
I'm looking forward to it, I can't wait to watch these leftists try to argue without their completely laughable buzzwords to fall back on. Take my advice, invest in Prep H as soon as possible, because come January 21st the ass annihilation is going to be through the fucking R O O F.
>>74999876
Then we both should agree that the system is utter shit, and that it must be changed.
However, as long as we partake of this political shitfest that is representative democracy, we have no choice but try to trust a candidate or at least elect the lesser of two evils. And in this case, Trump is the best americans have.
>>74978715
>>74978428
