Is /pol/ pro life or pro choice?
>>74977604
Pro life, but i think keep it legal and just ostracize women who do it out of total selfishness vs medical issue/ retard.
>>74977604
I am 100% pro abortion, I hate people in general
>>74977604
pro life for white children
>>74977703
You must be one fucked-up broad to believe that.
Pro abortion, and it should be mandatory for people below a determined income bracket.
Both
>Hurr women shouldn't be able to murder babies out of selfishness
>Hurt women trap men with babies, why is this allowed
But then they don't stand a chance of knocking anyone up
>>74977604
Cheap and legal abortion is why we have less criminals due to single parents not being able to take care of them.
Also abortion being introduced has been shown to lead to a lower crime rate as well as better prosperity for the nation due to smarter and better educated children due to better equipped parents.
>>74977604
Pro choice all the way. If a woman is capable of murdering her unborn child, imagine how shitty of a mother she'd be once the thing was born.
It keeps the numbers of degenerates and undesirables at manageable levels. That said, I personally don't like it
>>74977604
Pro choice. Most people who abort are either niggers, spics or white trash.
As long as these groups disproportionately abort, we're good.
Daily reminder: Planned parenthood was originally designed to limit nigger population growth.
Only non-whites should be allowed to get abortions. And any child that will be mixed should get the coat hanger.
>>74977604
I'm a Feminist. I'm anti-life and anti-choice.
>>74977604
I don't have a problem with abortion, but if your society has a lot of abortion going on, it's most certainly a bad and degenerate society.
what pisses me off about this debate is that pro baby murderers pretend its not murder by calling it "pro choice", as if you are talking about your wisdom teeth. I dont care if you want to murder your unborn, but call it for what it is.
>>74977604
Pro-eugenics.
Shitskins and retards get aborted. There is no choice.
>>74977974
didn't really mean that in an edgy way, senpai, I just mean I'm sick of how crowded the US is getting, and if we slowed the fuck down on immigration and encouraged abortion, our GDP might go down but the quality of life will certainly go up. I hate living like a sardine or a chinese person
>>74978242
it's not a baby if it has no consciousness. Fetuses are no more alive than sperm
>>74977604
Pro-life. If you don't want your children just put them in orphanage. Life is precious, don't throw them away. That random kid could be your future leader.
Abortion is a necessary evil, libs just shouldn't celebrate it so much
>>74978242
It's not murder any more than removing a tapeworm is murder. Until the fetus can survive without the mother, it's nothing more than a parasite. Human DNA doesn't make it murder. Otherwise I'd be literally worse than Hitler every time I go to sadpanda.
That said, even if it is murder, it's not wrong. Murder is easily justifiable in many cases.
>>74977604
>bumper sticker that says "Smile! Your mom chose Life!"
>chose Life
>chose
gets a chuckle out of me every time
>>74977604
On the one hand I support it because it's killing children, but on the other hand it gives women a choice
>>74977604
I'm Pro Death
in my mind, abortion is fundamentally wrong, and anyone who has had an abortion has killed a baby. Feel about that how you will.
BUT illegalizing abortion is completely moronic. Abortion is a pretty firm choice for a mother, and if medical professionals in teir country won't do it, you bet your ass they will find another way, even if it means some traveling
Over 100 women die in the philipines every day from botched back alley abortions. Cutting the baby out is like diffusing a bomb and it requires medical care
>>74977604
anti-abortion
abortion is for medical emergencies, deformities, rape cases and such, not to be used instead of contraception for uneducated lazy bitches and their retarded boyfriends
Italy:
Abortion authorized in 70's(by obscures feminists and happy merchents powers)
After that, 5 000 000 womans have killed their kids.
5 000 000 white italians less.
You don't want childrens ?
Orphanage.
You got childrens ?
Put a condom/don't fuck
>>74978376
>sends kid to orphanage
Somehow comes out okay to be a future leader
>>74978565
Don't cut yourself on that edge
>>74977604
I'm pro life for whole whites
I'm pro death for all retards, spastics, niggers etc whether they be out of the womb or not, fuck it might as well start early
>>74977604
Kill nigger babies
>>74977604
Abortion should be/stay legal and contraception should be made easily and cheaply available all around the world.
Maybe this way we will actually have some of the advertised "diversity" instead of turning the world brown.
>>74977604
Only legal minorities
Since it kills way more black babies than whites, I'm all for it.
>>74978621
If someone is the product if a rape why does that make them less of a human being?
>>74977604
Pro-life.
Only atheist and leftist are pro-choice.
>>74978766
because rapist genes should be wiped out from the gene pool
>>74978768
Atheist Pro-Life here.
Just Sayin' that a country that kills their own childrens has no future
>>74978634
Perhaps that random kid saves you from hanging yourself and save your depression.
>>74978629
Italy, philipines and ireland for a while didn't even sell condoms, and you're mocked for buying them.
Catholics seem to gloss over pre-marital sex rules, but when it comes to prevention they suddenly start following their own rules
>>74977604
Only legal when mother's life is in danger,
If Europe had never legalized it, they wouldn't need to import so many immigrants would they?
>>74977604
Pro-life with the exception of rape, incest, or risk to the mother's health. Anything else encourages degeneracy.
>>74978898
I didn't know there were Serbian feminists
>>74978918
Or will need someone to do that for himself after suffering through 18 years in an underfunded orphanage system that breaks kids down.
>>74979033
The fuck are talking about.
>>74977604
Pro life. We don't know the exact moment "life" starts and we'll never know it, so the only options you have in this debate is a)possibly killing a child b)definitely not killing a child. We don't have a nigger problem here, so abortions here actually kill slavs and I'm not going to support that.
>>74978898
If that were true, all of us should be rapists. Who gets more pussy, a peasant who waits for consent or a conquering rape machine?
>>74979189
>We don't know the exact moment "life" starts and we'll never know it
Yes we do. Conception.
>>74977604
Pro-abortion. Used to be anti until I realized "life begins at conception" ≠"consciousness/personhood begins at conception."
Also fun fact; did you know that up until recent centuries the Catholic Church didn't believe that abortion was murder? It was still a mortal sin and a bad one at that but St. Augustine taught that since the fetus could not move it was impossible to say with certainty that it had a soul and wasn't just a vegetable. St. Thomas Aquinas, taking from Aristotle, believed that "ensoulment" occurred at 90 days and that before then the fetus could not be considered a person. There was not clear point at which the Church shifted opinions, but abortion as murder was coded in Canon law in 1983
>>74977604
prochoice only if it's done way fucking early though
>>74977604
Should depend: if the child has a miserable life ahead of it (physical deformations or social and economical concerns), the mother should have the option to abort
>>74977703
This is my exact belief as well, I'm very lax when it comes to things being illegal, but I do think every feminist cheering about abortion rights needs to be forced to see and bury their "clump of cells with their own hands."
Maybe even abortion videos shown in health class for girls growing up to show that your son or daughter you are destroying will never be able to come back.
>>74979113
My grandfathers best friend was an orphan....Spent his entire childhood in an orphanage went from there to germany in ww2. He was a paratrooper.
you'll never be a 10th of the man he was.
![quote-democracy-cannot-survive-overpopulation-human-dignity-cannot-survive-it-convenience-isaac-asimov-78-50-16[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/5ys58ao.jpg "quote-democracy-cannot-survive-overpopulation-human-dignity-cannot-survive-it-convenience-isaac-asimov-78-50-16[1].jpg")
>>74977604
We do not need more people, especially the sort whose parents wanted to abort them but could not legally do so.
I'll eat your babies
>>74979305
Scientific developments and image scanning technology have made it very obvious that the fetus is a human life at a very early stage. We know for a fact that abortion is a woman murdering her own unborn child.
>>74977604
I'm anti-abortion
>>74979393
>My grandfathers best friend was an orphan....
argument based on emotion
>you'll never be a 10th of the man he was.
Explain how you know this
>>74977604
Mandatory abortions for anyone making less than $40,000 a year, and for anyone with more than 1 child, and anyone with a known hereditary defect such as peanut allergies. Take responsibility today, for a better tomorrow.
>>74979413
>some garbage an atheist kike said
Why even quote him?
>>74979305
Kys, who gives a fuck about when life starts, all that matters is making a society where people's actions have consequences. You murder someone, you go to jail. In the same way if you have unprotected sex and become pregnant, then you have a child. That doesn't mean you have to keep them tho, adoption and orphanages are a thing.
Again, kys. Nice strawman tho
>>74977604
Pro abortion.
>>74979567
>Explain how you know this
Because you're clearly a faggot
>>74977604
Pro obligatory screening and abortions of all potatoes
>>74977703
100% pro choice. Why the fuck does it matter if a woman gets an abortion? If you don't want a kid then get an abortion, if you do then don't get an abortion. It's really that simple, if a random woman gets an abortion how does that in anyway affect you?
>>74979600
>Why even quote him?
Because his qoute expressed my sentiments more clearly than I can.
>>74977604
Against abort unless it's a threat to the mother's life or a serious psychological distress.
>>74978283
You must be a city dweller
>>74977604
Pro-abortion.
#1 crime stopper in America.
It's not a joke, it really is.
If you're pro-life, you have to be for the complete and total destruction of welfare and prepare for some war in your streets because nogs gonna go haywire.
>>74979683
No. You're clearly a faggot. Prove me wrong, you've already failed to defend your first position.
Question for the anti-abortion people:
What if your mother was raped by niggers. Would you be ready to live the rest of your life with a half-nigger as a half-brother?
>>74977604
Pro-choice, but I also think we should have more emphasis on birth control and be less accepting of "hook up culture", reducing the need for abortions.
>>74979819
>>74977604
>Is /pol/ pro life or pro choice?+ 0 post omitted.
Pro-choice, pro-sterilization if there's more than one abortion in a row.
>>74979516
Yes but there is a difference between a human life and a conscious being. The only criteria for being a human is to have human DNA and not be dead. That doesn't mean that you have any capacity for perception or advanced intelligence, the criterion for being a person. Humans only develop rudimentary perceptive abilities at about 8 weeks, until then they might as well be a cyst, and after that they might as well be a tadpole.
>>74979616
Well the point I was making is that it isn't murder if it isn't a person (referring to the philosophical definition of personhood), but whining is fine too.
>>74979851
No because they could send that nigger to a orphanage. Kys/10 shit argument
I'm pro-choice (something like a "2 doctors approval" method), but with a strong public propaganda of having kids and providing benefits (tax returns for example) for those who have kids.
>>74977604
/POL/ ISN'T ONE PERSON OR A HIVEMIND!!!!
Pro-choice could be great if today's people were not stupide as fuck, they can't decide without the advice of the TV.
>>74979736
You need to seriously go back to r.edd.it, you have normalfag beliefs based purely on your scholastic education system run by liberal Marxist female teachers.
This isn't the place for you.
>>74978370
>>74978474
>this level of idiocy
first of all a sperm is not a human being with unique Id. a fertilized egg with a sperm is. Consciousness is not a marker for life. New born babies are not conscious until they are like 1-2 years old. New born babies cannot survive without their mother either. Since when these vague definitions of life came into being? You just use it because it fits your narrative. From any objective point of view, a unique individual comes into existence at conception, that's a fact.
>>74978172
Kill me, Pete.
But only if Shillary wins.
>>74977604
I'm anti-whores! Fuck Thots!
>>74979516
Real talk.
AND?
>>74980078
Japan has the best system.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Japan
>>74977604
Pro choice for niggers
>>74977604
This question again. Do you come here every few days?
Again: /pol/ is both anti-life and anti-choice.
Now go die, fagit.
It's only legal for Spics and Blacks and mixed babies who parents are colored father/white mother
Illegal for full white babies, white fathers/colored mothers
If the mother is in danger, then yes, if it was rape, yes, if the white mother cannot take care of her baby, the full white baby will be raised by the state
Only christfags are anti-abortion. /pol should be in favor of free abortions for minorities and single mothers.
Pro-Life is the only choice for right-wingers
PRO CHOICE FOR ONE REASON AND ONE REASON ONLY
It's not the average white working class female that gets an abortion, it's the low class, ghetto-child breeding blacks, low class whites, low class, trashy females in general that are getting abortions.
The less that sort of trash tier human breeds / creates life, the better.
>>74980214
I don't care about killing infants any more than I care about killing fetuses.
>>74980421
Nice post, leaf.
I am for abortion on special conditions, that is:
>raep
>fetus is deformed
>mother's life is in danger
>bad financial condition of the family
Other than that - illegal. It's actually how it works here right now. Unfortunately our government is discussing a law completely prohibiting abortion. I fully disagree with that. Abortion is evil, but necessary evil.
>>74979736
I'm like the anon you replied to. I'm pro-life but I understand and support abortion being legal and made available everywhere so we don't have to hear people like you bitching and moaning about it.
How does a negative opinion on abortion affect you, le redditor?
>>74980583
thats my point genius, i dont want to guilt trip edgy faggots like you, i just want to call it for what it is
>>74979912
Abortion was used to cull the massive amount of children being born into poor minority families.
I support this 100% and think it should be a free service. It's just making it so there's less future welfare recipients/criminals. I don't see what's not to like about that.
reee govt get out
>>74977604
Pro-abortion in cases of rape, incest, and when the child has been detected to have deformities in the womb
Also in cases when the birth could endanger the mother severly
>>74978172
Kill me Pete, sweet death softly claim me,
For It, sent from your kitty paws, dost cure
What ails; mortal coil's degeneracy,
Wasted Life I can no more endure.
Kill me, Pete and take my soul to join
You in your infinite litter box
One thing I feel that not many here are considering is the effect that the freedom of abortion has on society. It serves as a safety net for degeneracy, and thus removes all consequence for partaking in it. I think it stimulates a culture of sex, which is a negative aspect of the world today. Is the freedom worth that burden?
I don't have a solid position right now, and this is a big reason why.
>>74977604
only if the man gets a say it takes two people to make a baby and the man is financially responsible for 18 years unlike the woman who can kill a kid at will or drop it off
>>74979763
I am, yes, but even cities don't have to be retardedly overcrowded. They can be nice, or so I would like to believe.
>>74981023
>>74980582
>>74980535
>>74980470
the reason why niggers and spics are doing so bad is because they have abortions + welfare. there is no responsibility anymore. Populations would be the same and there will be much more decent minorities if abortion and welfare wasnt legal.
i'm pro death
This is such a difficult question for me. It would be easy way out to just go fundamentalist and declare life begins the moment sperm enters egg and that's that. Murder of an innocent.
But life isn't that simple, there is reason to believe abortion does indeed limit crime 15 years down the line, and it undoubtedly removes future citizens who have comparatively low chance of contributing meaningfully to the society. There is also no proof the baby is in any way conscious for at least several weeks.
What is more human? To go HOLY SHIT YOU ARE MURDERING AN INNOCENT BABY YOU MONSTER!!!!!! Or to think about it coldly, rationally, calculatingly?
I don't know, this question bothers me very much. I really wonder if people in the far future will consider us barbarians for even just considering murdering a fetus? Or for even just considering banning an abortion? Neither? Both?
This thread surely didn't do much to convince me either way.
>>74981630
Abortion has nothing to do with the lack of responsibility. If you're anti-welfare then you should support poor minorities having abortions rather than popping out 15 children and telling the government to raise them.
>>74981304
>People gon act bad so let's curtail freedoms hurr durr
Either come up with a moral argument or evaluate your thought process, ideally both.
>>74977604
Pro abortion all the way. I want quality people not quantity. People who get abortions conveniently correlate with people who shouldn't breed.
>>74977604
Personally pro life, but the law should be pro choice.
>>74978085
This.
>>74977604
Its really quite the arguement where its subjective more than objective.
Personally, I'm on the fence, it keeps additional people from being born into poverty/tards/etc, but at the same time it could be wasted potential in cases where it isnt one of the above.
>>74980214
By what definition of any law or any form of science is mitosis life's beginning?
>>74977748
>Don't ask me for my opinion, I have to change it for my shitposting
>>74981790
lol replying to myself. here's another thought, as far as i know, never in human history was miscarriage considered same level of tragedy as your child dying. And it dying days after birth was never such a tragedy as 1, 2, 5, 10 year old dying. Clearly on some subconscious level people understood fetus is not fully human, even newborn isn't fully human, the humanity comes at some point during breastfeeding period. rough guess is like 2 months in maybe.
As a father of one son with another child on the way, I can even sort of confirm this anecdotally. When you look into newborn's eyes there is no soul in there. it's like a small, helpless animal. But then at some point before 3 months of age you just see the change, as the true consciousness kicks in, you can't quite put your finger on it, but you can tell afterwards "now it's human, now i can see it will grow into intelligence"
Just a food for thought.
>>74977604
The law should be kept pro choice because it culls the children of terrible people from shitting up the place. Personally, I would never choose to abort a child.
It irks me however how the father is completely left outside of the equation of this "choice."
>>74981856
if the govt does not play sugar daddy with unwanted kids, then sheboons will think twice about fucking jamal
Pro choice or pro murder or whatever, the labels for each side are insipid and biased as fuck
Muh morality muh single moms muh inferior races muh body muh muh muh shut the fuck up
>he's 100% pro-life
>he's 100% pro-choice
>not pro-lfe for pure European women with white relationships and pro-choice for shitskins
I think abortion helps a society. Less children raised by single parents/teenagers/drug addicts/Ill equipped parents etc. I do think there should be a clearly defined time limit in which to get one. Somewhere within the time most reasonable people would realize that they are pregnant and enough time to get the procedure done. I don't think it should be covered by insurance but some sort of payment plan should be in place so they can pay back at a later date if they can't afford it at the time. I think the best solution though, would be male oral or injectable contraceptives though. You bet your ass any guy who doesn't want kids won't miss a day/days like all these college girls do
>>74977604
Who the fuck cares, it's a retarded side issue.
>>74984428
Also, I think there should be incentives to keep the child if only the father wants it. But they must sign over all rights before birth and the male must assume responsibility after the contract is final.
>>74977604
Pro choice for blacks
Pro life for whites
>>74977604
used to be pro-choice but i'm fucking disgusted at the casual attitude that this has created towards abortion.
it's use as contraception is ridding people of the responsibility that you should have if you decide to have sex. having sex without a resulting pregnancy is a privilege, not a right.
now i'm pro-life because i'm fed up of "muh bodily autonomy".
abortions allowed if rape, incest, health concerns
>>74977604
Pro-life
>>74977604
Only if it's a nigger. Gotta keep the future crime rate down.
If the woman is white or Asian, and not ghetto, nigger-loving white trash, or doing it to save her life, or if the baby is going to be a Hartley Hooligan, then it's degenerate.
A white, healthy, semi-intellectual woman that aborts her baby deserves to be publicly ridiculed and called a baby-killer until she kills herself.
I'm not pro-choice because I don't really respect a woman's right to choose. She could choose to take contraceptives but she didn't. Now she will deal with it.
But most aborted children are aborted because their mothers aren't fit to be mothers yet, aka they are young, poor, degenerate, not in a stable relationship, etc. So its better to just kill the baby early instead of adding another welfare leach to the system.
Abortions should be illegal after the 6th-7th month though and free only for poor people.
>>74979967
So force your mother to have some nigger rape baby, and then hand it over to an orphanage.
I'm sure that wouldn't be traumatizing at all.
>>74978144
This is similar to what they did in Israel. African women were given contraceptives without knowing it to reduce their fertility. It kind of worked too, it is believed that they reduced their birthrate by 20% by doing this.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/eliseknutsen/2013/01/28/israel-foribly-injected-african-immigrant-women-with-birth-control/
>>74977604
Pro-life. Abortion cheapens life. Honestly makes me sick seeing feminists trumpet their abortions. Unbelievably callous, though I suppose I shouldn't expect anything else.
>>74977604
Pro choice but the state shouldn't fund it if it's your choice it's your private choice.
>>74977604
There is something wrong with the fetus? abortion is right.
No? whore who got pregnant? maybe.
School student/slut that had unprotected sex and got pregnant? abortion is wrong.
I'm not even pro-choice.
I'm actually pro-abortion.
inb4 "it's the same thing".
Nah, pro-choice believe that women (or the father or the doctor) should or shouldn't have the choice to get rid of it.
I'm saying all women ought to get abortions.
>>74978172
Kill me, Pete.
