What's your opinion on the Euromaidan?
ruined every hope for revolution in russia desu
ain't our fault the cuckholes are an ineducable breed
>>74946188
How did it ruin any hope?
>>74946109
Ukraine should just split. It's a meme country that is obviously deeply divided.
Pigout.
>>74946318
>It's a meme country
Pure mem country. Distilled.
>>74946436
>meme
>>74946238
Every single time you attempt to argue in favor of overthrowing putin and his gang of thieves, everyone will accuse you of "attempting a maidan". Every bydlo statist now preaches that all who oppose putin want to turn our country into a 3rd world african shithole like ukraine.
>>74946109
prime happening pics
>>74946515
How is the actual support for Putin in your country? Seems like in Germany many like him despite what the media says, but we obviously don't know how life in Russia looks like.
Btw. was it confirmed that the sniper happened to be from the Maidan side?
I support it even though it could have gone better.
The sad part is that it triggered the propaganda in Russia and made many people there retarded. I had to move to Kyiv from Moscow because of that.
>>74947014
What did they do to you?
How come no protesters anywhere else bring makeshift helmets/sticks/sheilds with them en masse like in Ukraine? Especially when it's standard course to expect riot police.
Nobody interested in the thread? Hm, shame.
it was obamas retalition for putin making a fool out of him in syria
ukrainians are fucked
>>74947145
Nothing really, I just couldn't stand it. Even my family started to hate Ukraine, it was too much. Well, some of my friends have been hurt or even incarcerated for being too active opposition in Russia and now they are planning to move here too (because elections are already lost).
>>74947443
It's forbidden by law in Germany afaik. Also I think what happened in Maidan is somewhat a consequence of what happened during Occupy Wall Street. Or rather them thinking peaceful protest doesn't work. Here we get still surprised when someone whacks us with a billy club.
>>74946515
Do opposition propose to change something or they are just against current government?
>>74947551
I'm not trying to be pro Putin, but didn't your new leaders turn out to be just as corrupt?
>>74947689
This what I would like to know as well. I think Putin is dictator but then it's not like our governments were much better, it's just a different style. I wouldn't be surprised if the West was paying the opposition to destabilize Russia.
>>74947714
Correct, they are (they are not even new, lol). But keep in mind that Ukraine had (and it still has) a war on the East and the young man, who could stop the corrupt old politicians from taking part in new government, had to go to this war.
I mean, if there was no war, who knows, what a new government would be.
>>74947463
http://www.academia.edu/8776021/The_Snipers_Massacre_on_the_Maidan_in_Ukraine
Just another attempt by NATO to try and cuck Russia.
>>74947714
Pretty much, the difference is that he is pro-EU/NATO. Western Ukrainians are having wet dreams of joining the EU so they can fuck off to countries like UK ASAP. Fact is, Ukraine is fucked no matter if it's in the EU or not.
>join EU, instantly lose workforce
>don't join EU, remain cucked
>>74948051
It would be the same fucking shit. "The young man" that was sent to fight the war is, for the most part, just another village degenerate bydlo.
>>74947900
At least your opposition is real and not just
>fuck everything
>depose the government
>let it burn
I really want to read political programm of our opposition but as I know, it doesn't exist.
>>74948051
Is there hope?
>>74946515
>everyone will accuse you of "attempting a maidan"
Since opposition has no real motivation beyond redirecting money to their own pockets, these people are right.
>>74948238
What would happen if we elected a more pro russian chancellor? Would this help you?
>>74946109
Cassus belli.
>>74948390
I don't know. Another Maidan would be a really stupid idea. Maybe it will just go as before: the government exists, says and does something but citizens do not care.
I'm here only for two weeks, I don't really know much about current political movements here. Maybe I'm missing something. But opposition here looks pretty like Russian opposition for me: no clear program, just a silly idea to copy Western Europeans. Except that here they are not hurt/incarcerated.
Ukrainians switched from one cock to another cock.
>>74948592
Help in what? If you talk about economy that any chancellor is acceptable if Germany is independent.
If you got into the EU, just pretending, would your country take in refugees? Because that would a real possibility.
>>74946109
Someone please post the maidan mmo image
>>74946109
Ukraininans are just naive like a child, not just stupid, which makes it both fun and sad at the same time.
Usually there is a leader to a national revolution, that comes to power and rebuilds the system.
In Ukraine it looks like that:
1. "Let's throw a revolution against the bad regime!"
2. Regime falls
3. ...
4. "Let's elect the new leader"
5. The new leader is just as corrupt or even more corrupted
>>74949003
I just hope it will never join the EU.
Because otherwise I won't be surprised if the population would support the idea of taking the refugees (even though no refugee will go here, lol).
>>74949028
>2 minutes on google
>>74948840
Some say that isolating a country only makes the established power structures more powerful, for a lack of alternatives. So you could argue that all the anti-Putin stuff only helps him ironically.
If Germany and Russia worked together it would improve the situation of both countries and make us less dependent in terms of the other world. Just economically alone. I don't know what would happen to Putin but I think he would relax. I hope.
Anyhow for us it would help because the would counter leverage our American influence. Basically our whole government is in love with America.
>>74949028
>>74949082
Just like Russia in 90's, yup.
>>74949229
Im on phone.
But thanks.
Some pretty sweet SHTF shots came out of Maidan
>>74949772
>Some pretty sweet SHTF shots came out of Maidan
We basically got a vision of our future from the Ukraine. That includes the street fighting among fairly European buildings and forests.
That is what you need to prepare for mentally.
>>74949772
I wonder if revolutions often look like that.
I don't get why there isn't more about Maidan in pop culture. The whole thing is really interesting, doesn't matter if you agree with the rioters or not.
>>74946515
That's all was obvious since 90's, liberashka. Maidan just one of many illustrations, the most closest and recent one.
>>74949292
Well, there is a problem with Ukrainian government system since no government rotation is possible without things like Maidan, and maidans worsen the economy, the politics and relationships with other nations.
When Poroshenko's offshores were uncovered, he should've went through impeachment and left his post, and that would allow for a new president to be chosen.
But he didn't do that since the government is corrupt. So the only way to remove him pre-election would be to have another maidan, which would worsen the economy and split the country again.
>>74949287
The clankening was epic.
/pol/ also helped expose the pro maiden CIA operation.
We then got to see Putin completely outmaneuver the west.
All though, the stories coming out of rebel cities where ukie were forces shelling residential areas were quite tragic.
Also, fucking combatants becoming 'e-famous' and engaging with /pol/ and other people from around the globe.
Not to mention live internet bantz between rebel and maiden forces.
>>74950192
I wouldn't trust him to not fix the elections. Only question is if he's able to pull it off, rather than him having the integrity to not even try. If he can do it he will. So einfach ist das.
>>74949249
If you want to know my opinion, Germany and Russia are natural allies in Europe because the only alternative Germany has is France that can't be German ally in long terms. You have money and civil technologies, we have tons of resources and high-educated manpower. We also permanent member of the UN Security Council and second military power(including nuclear capabilities) and this is very useful for Germany. The only problems that disturb this synergy is dependency of Germany from America and butthurt belt that lie on trade routes between our countries.
>>74950192
I just think there is a civilized political way to build a party, write a program and put enough effort to be elected because nobody's really interferes with the opposition here (as I see it). But I can't see anybody who really wants it, people just prefer to leave the country when they have enough money.
>>74946515
But it is so. Now, any revolution in Russia will sponsored by opponents of Russia. In the end they (small bunch of rich people) will come to power again, stolen rest of our money and ultimately drive us straight to GRAND ZHOPA/ WELIKIY PIZDETS (you can call it as you wish)
>>74947443
>no protesters anywhere else
Syrians figured this out too. Others just dumb.
>>74946109
Western-backed coup, part of a larger strategy of NATO to 'contain' Russia with buffer states, pretty much exactly what Stalin did to 'contain' the West after ww2
>>74950843
> Now, any revolution in Russia will sponsored by opponents of Russia
Just like any other revolution anywhere anytime.
> stolen rest of our money and ultimately drive us straight to GRAND ZHOPA/ WELIKIY PIZDETS
So you want to say that current Russian government isn't doing the same?
>>74950705
"The butt hurt belt."
How can a non native English speaker be so clever and eloquent with the Englishes?
>>74946109
coup d'etat
1)ukraine had a shitty corrupted president
2)EU wanted to smuggle goods to russia and eurasian economic union via ukraine because EU is close tooverproduction crysis and has shitloads of debts and russia is big a net exporter.
3)CIA wanted to start a war and to ruin everything just like in egypt or syria.
4)Ukrainian oligarchs wanted money
5)Ukrainian nationalists were simply stupid like niggers.
6)russia wanted to maintain status quo
so ukrainian oligarchs, backed by own and european economic interests, supported by CIA made a coup to remove another oligarch. when they realised what the have done and what loses they will have, they refused to PAY for consequences.
>>74951386
to crisis lol
(not game lol)
>>74948051
>>74951183
>So you want to say that current Russian government isn't doing the same?
No. Over time, the political system has stabilized. Some corrupt elements got out of the game. Begins to act the law.
In Russia a lot of corruption, but to compared with 90th, it is much, much less.
In order to stabilize the political system takes time (years) and money.
Russia had this.
Ukraine has not money now, it is not enough. So I do not know how it can be delayed in Ukraine.
>>74951183
>Just like any other revolution anywhere anytime.
Agreed, But if the situation has developed in such a way that people have a specific motion, specific representatives, the revolution will be made ideological people and for the people good.
As it was in France, as it was in Russia in October 1917.
In Ukraine, the people did not have a specific movement and representatives. People just came to express their dissatisfaction of the president, "play off steam." They took advantage of it for purely private purposes.
>>74950705
Germany is not your friend, Vladimir. Germany is nobody's friend. But you're a masochist Slav who gets off on seeing his country fail and get fucked over again and again, so it's unlikely you'll understand.
What'd happen if the Party of Regions weren't dissolved? Would power sharing agreements have been possible?
I feel like that's where it got fucked. The entire power structure out East was turned on its head, and with everyone having to re-calibrate, you get some cookie Russian nationalists and Cossacks in the mix
>>74947443
Ukies didn´t started with this "equipment" either. But they gradually got more and more serious after Berkut dispersed them on 30th of November.
>>74946109
EU sponsored revolt.
America got useful idiots who can fuck up East-West European relationship.
Russia got Crimea and triggered nationalism.
Ukraine got tons of attention, now everyone know that Ukraine exists, just like Somalia, a fake country on a map.
The Krauts got tons of rapefugees. And you even wonder if you should elect a "pro-Russian' chancellor. The whole Euromaidan is a scheme to fuck up Germany.
>>74951386
Thank you. I been saying this for quite some time. A Ukrainian guy at my workplace was saying same shit. Fe bad your so called nationalists helped fuck everything up.
>>74951701
What stability are you preaching right now? Stability of inflow of moslem chinks'n'gooks from central Asia? Maybe ethnic Russian population decline stability while chechens and degstanis are breeding like crazy? Or stability of resource-oriented economy which provides nothing except billions in the pockets of oligarchy an YUGE military reform?
Блядcкий циpк.
Why every thread about russia/ukraine is flodded with butthurt comments from baltic countries/poland?
>>74952586
Tы идиoт? Cтaбилизaция paбoты гoc. aппapaтa в цeлoм. Ecли paньшe вopoвaли вooбщe вce и вopoвaли, и yбивaли, и зaнимaлиcь paзбoeм, пoтoмy чтo вce этим зaнимaютcя и никтo c этим нихyя cдeлaть нe мoжeт, тo зa пpoшeдшиe дecять лeт вecь кpиминaлитeт нихyёвo тaк зaжaли.
Я хyй знaeт, oткyдa ты знaeшь пpo этy хyйню из aзиaтaми и чeчeнцaми, этo ты в интepнeтe ycлышaл?
He вижy чтo-тo ни oднoгo чeчeнцa, a cpeди мoлoдых дeвyшeк дoхepa бepeмeнных и c кoляcкaми, oчeнь мнoгo. He cyди пo cтpaнe пo cтepeoтипным кapтинкaм в интepнeтaх.
>>74952701
Because the whole clusterfuck with Russian/Ukrainian conflict is happening near and we have Russia as a neighbor?
You know how media of Resource Federation is portraying our countries, right? We are fashists, nazis ,"butthurt belt". At the same time Latvia has like 700 000 ethnic Russians and I'm one of them.
Man listening to Russians on Internet is more retarded than arguing with SJWs. I'll never be able to take you guys seriously after you went full butthurt for being rightfully portrayed as invaders in Company of Brothers 2.
>>74952983
If anything you're doing whatever in your power to prove them right.
>>74952956
> Я хyй знaeт, oткyдa ты знaeшь пpo этy хyйню из aзиaтaми и чeчeнцaми, этo ты в интepнeтe ycлышaл?
> He вижy чтo-тo ни oднoгo чeчeнцa
> He cyди пo cтpaнe пo cтepeoтипным кapтинкaм в интepнeтaх.
I don't even know if you are trolling, retarded or just living outside Russian Federation and using Russian proxy.
He have never seen a single Chechen in RF, what a stupid liar.
>>74953498
What exactly, having a parade commemorating SS veterans? Hell, that's a non-issue, we have the biggest Victory day celebration in the EU and nobody is prohibiting it. We have Russian major of our capital city.
I would like to have both Russia and Latvia national socialist, it's a shame we have juden in power.
