If krauts were supposed to be the "mastur race", why the fuck did they get destroyed the "le slav subhumans"?
>>74942086
Zerg Rush
>>74942086
They were outnumbered by Slavs alone and they were fighting the rest of the fucking world at the same time.
Also turn off your proxy you creep. Get banned for cp or what?
>>74942086
They got backstabbed by their former Aryan race members(USA is a race traitor)
Can a lion defend himself from 1000 rats?
>>74942248
The fact that Slavs are protecting their countries whilst Germans are cucking themselves to oblivion suggests it's Germans who are the subhumans
They were overextended as shit. As much as I love Adolf for his Charisma and vision, he was retarded when it came to restraint.
>>74942357
>>74942357
Fuck off britroach. Brits are cucking themselves too so what does that make you?
>>74942407
>>74942442
I'm a polish immigrant you fuck
>>74942086
Because they had to fight the world.
They were not outmatched, merely outnumbered.
>>74942248
Yes
>>74942174
>they were fighting the rest of the fucking world at the same time
West front
>114 Divisions killed.
East front
>403 Divisions killed.
Are so called the rest of the world even count?
Ahmed please.
Because the Germans are choke artists and natural born losers. History bears this out.
>mfw /pol/ will go through mental acrobatics to avoid this historical reality
>>74942473
Okay well carry on then.
>>74942086
Give a billion mongoloids guns and let them storm your countrie's capital.
Lets see how things turn out.
That being said, as a slav myself, germans are nilly willy cucks and deserve everything that's comming to them.
It's just a shame about their beautiful history and culture.
But in regards to that it's probably a good thing modern germans will vanish before they destroy the last few remains of their history and culture themselves.
Now someone else will preserve it.
>>74942519
Fuck off Slavshit. Your Jewish overlords just threw enough bodies into the Nazi meat grinder until it clogged.
The Germans killed more of you than you did them. But shit is disposable.
>>74942561
y-you're lying!!!1
dey wuz backstabbed by dem jews!!!!!!
germans are stronkest warriors!!! invincible!!!
but get backstabbed by others!! its others fault that we lost!!!!!!
>>74942561
>t. Chavez
SINGLE FIGHTING CAMP
INEXHAUSTIBLE SUPPLIES OF MANPOWER
>>74942519
The germans had a huge amoujt of resources and man power dedicated to the western front.
Now, i agree that you guys did the clear majority of fighting but you cannot ignore the western front. Without the western allies, you likely would have lost or been forced to sue for peace.
>>74942519
Hey Ivan maybe they had to put a lot of industry aswell as spare men into protecting the other fronts?
Hitler never called slavs subhumans. Croats, ukraians, slovaks and many russians fought for him. it was war against marxism, not against slavic or other people.
>>74942086
They didn't get beaten by slavs, they got beaten by winter.
>>74942737
>american education
>>74942737
>i don't know what I'm talking about.
I bet you think the germans invaded in winter too.
Nazi point wasn't to win rather to create attrition to france/soviet union and a new continental balance for their british overlords.
Their KDR wasn't that bad.
>>74942086
Because, Slavs are the master race.
>>74942677
Yeah ho shit sherlock, are you implying that Germans didnt have united Europe under they controle?
How much infrastructure\man power\natural resources is that?
Never thought about that?
>>74942625
Island rat no need to be that much buttblasted.
>>74942682
>West front opened when German were already doomed and Red army was on full scale invashion mode.
Pure coincedence.
>>74942963
Thank us for the lend lease Ivanboi
My great grandfather was a sailor on one of the ships that brought our tanks to Russia
>>74942604
Yeah, I'm sure Ahmed will handle it with care and grace.
>>74942758
>>74942798
>N-No! Ebil nazis w-were outmatched by superior slav genetics!
Lol
>>74942963
No im not implying that.
I am implying that the outcome would likely have been different had germany not been forced to divert such a gigantic amount of resources to the western front.
Just imagine the difference in air power and industrial output if the western allies weren't carpet bombing german cities and industry literally day and night! I'm not saying they should have won but you need to be a bit more open minded to the potential outcomes had history played out differently.
>>74942357
Yes the average german decides about mass immigration, fucking idiot
>>74942604
>Give a billion mongoloids guns and let them storm your countrie's capital.
>Lets see how things turn out.
We would massacre them all kek
It's not something you can compare though since the circumstances are far different and we don't have anyone stronger than us really to come in and help our enemies win let alone continue to supply then with munitions and whatnot
Also OP is a faggot and you fell for it hard
>>74943177
>Thank us for the lend lease Ivanboi
>You have to thank us, since we were so afraid of the fight we decided just to buy some one to do it for us.
No wounder you guys are pathetics cucks that soon will have Imam insted of queen.
>>74943381
>What is democracy
>>74943311
1/10 troll for making me reply.
>>74942248
Yeah definitely
>>74943399
Germany sent all their shit tier osttruppen to fight you commies, but all the elite units were stationed on the west because they knew that anglos are a warrior race
>>74942248
Lose more you german bitch.
>>WWI
Got rekt
>>WWII
Totally BTFOed
>>Modern day
Head bitch of US and SJWs
Germany fucking sucks. I hope every German just dies already, because they are a disgrace.
>>74943177
>muh britis shit tanks
42mm gun in 1943.
Hah that shit of valentaine even worse than sherman.
>>74943415
Democracy is the freedom to vote for one thing then be given another
>>74943381
DINDU NUFFIN
>>74942086
>German failing to see the greatness of the German Army during WWII
It took the entire world to take your grandfathers down, and you are shitting all over them.
I'd surrender again to those people, but not to tranny queers like you.
>>74943537
>wolfenstein
Yeah thats pretty historical to me.
>>74943583
>T34s
>Good
Read the allied reports on how shit tier the T34s were. Worse than the sherman in every way
>muh sloped armour can defeat 37mm Pz III shell guys!
>>74942086
>be Germanic
>be """""""""Ubermensch"""""""""
>lose 2 (TWO) world wars against """""" untermensch"""""""
>men so gay that you are literally going extinct from lack of children
>women so slutty that they love blacks and arabs
>allow millions of Muslims to flood europe, only stop because Eastern Europe saved you from yourself
The true master race
>Be German
>Fighting in multiple fronts
>Low supplies from allied bombind and over-extension
No wonder they lost,but now,
>1v1 Germany vs. Soviet Union
Germany would have won.
>>74943594
And then vote for the same thing again
To those who complaing about too many russkies, slav hordes whatever. Isnt't the fact that there're so many of us means we managed to conquer all that land and breed our hordes which in turn means we're superior? After all nazis could not steal their desired lebensraum from us. Too weak and puny.
Well no matter how superior you are in war overextending and being outnumbered will always make you lose eventually.
In a hypothetical istuation where germany had 5mil troops and the ussr had 5 mil troops germany would win 99% of the time, but this was not the case in real life.
>>74943719
Even shit like early 34 are better than your shitty valentains.
>>74943725
>men so gay that you are literally going extinct from lack of children
>women so slutty that they love blacks and arabs
>allow millions of Muslims to flood europe, only stop because Eastern Europe saved you from yourself
Germany doesn't have a monopoly on those sadly.
>>74943684
>>74943764
>Comparing anything to valentines
How about we compare Cromwell to T26 then?
>>74943802
>Britain in for only one year
>HRE as one country when in reality it was a clusterfuck of small duchies
>Russian empire in charge of not being shit against every other western Euro country
Kek
>>74942248
can 1 billion lions defeat the sun?
>>74943719
>the allied reports on how shit tier the T34s were
Yeah sure, I'm going to bleach my brains with shitty capitalist propaganda. Have you seen that pic of your Queen saluting Hitler?
>>74943311
Those slavs sure take their counter-strike seriously.
>>74943967
No.
But a few million russian peasants with mosins defeated the wermacht
>>74943990
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5NhE504Mq8
>>74943990
M8, you can read first hand accounts of soviet tankers and how they preferred american tanks over the soviet ones.
>>74943841
T-26 is modified replica of british tank from 1929. Cromwell is from 1943. You better pick 34-85 if you wish to compare.
And our people liked valentine btw.
>>74943990
>capitalist propaganda
This isnt the 1960s anymore,stop with this cold war mentality,this is why Russia is and always will be a shithole.
>>74943946
>Britain in for only one year
1792-1800
Fucking joao...
Anyway, Do you even know that the english financed the french revolution ?
While I admire Germans for their order, precision and attention to details, there are some things that make them really weak. They have pathological relation when it comes to following the rulling party. They are willing to obey even when the rulling party turns on full retard mode. There is also a matter of their arrogance. They always think that they are better because of their order, but their sick craving for dominance over others have brought crisis in Europe so many times, that it's getting boring now how predictable it is. Slavic nations are retarded when it comes to order, but we have strong individualism that have created strong respect for other people's freedom. So we just want to live in peace on our own and we don't really want to meddle in other countries bussiness. At least that applies to Poland.
>>74943990
>with shitty capitalist propaganda
>capitalist propaganda
Ahahah what the fuck? Are you like pure vatnik or some shit? Do you run around screaming "MUH STALIN!"
>>74943990
>Cramped as fuck
>Shitty quality steel armor
>No turret ring
>No radio
>No scopes
>Shit crews
>Under penetrating gun for its caliber
>Never hit anything
>Broke down all the time
Literally strength in overwhelming numbers
The Shermans were sub-par but effective
>>74944053
>they preferred american tanks over the soviet ones
Like BT7? No shit, it was a bad tank. Post your sources, m8.
>>74944115
I didnt look at the first part of the pic kek
Still tho,how the fuck did france pull that off,did everyone just go full potato or something
>>74943946
>H
>R
>E
>>74943967
Well that is a lot of lions
>>74942086
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ztOV2wrrkY
>Germany
>master race
>>74943583
To be fair senpai it wasn't any better than your commieshit tanks
Honestly if you guys had just pulled a Patton and used almost exclusively light tanks your progression would have been swifter due to having more artillery as a result of their quick assembly and less parts
>>74943990
>>74944053
This isn't strange or insulting in anyway Russbro, you know yourself, T34 were built in the real rush,on the new ground, mostly by yesterdays peasants,woman and children. It's quiet logical that they weren't as good as American tanks.
>>74944189
>West would never lie, even concept of lie is unknown to them, ukraine is eu soon!
>>74944083
>And our people liked valentine btw.
Then why complain about being lend leased Matilda and Valentine?
>>74942192
Germany declared war on the US bud but, you are Spanish so there is a good chance you are a downie
>>74944046
>>74944191
>muh German veterans still mending their damaged arseholes 40 years later with wishful thinking
Prove your words, britbong. You can't.
>>74942086
>why did Slavs win?
Well, they nearly lost. It took 6 countries working together to defeat one. I'm sure that victory feels good, but niggers can't count and have no sense of honor or proportion. Also, niggers only fight when they outnumber the opponent. Nothing new. Germany fought better alone than any of it's opponents and nearly won. Keep patting yourselves on the back though.
>>74944306
>good as American tanks
Why were they good again?
>>74944275
It was holy,Roman and an empire at certain points in history though.
Seriously, you're all blaming Germany for shit...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_countries_by_average_wage
>Ukraine - 138, my fucking sides, literally africa
>>74944321
Ukraine will never be in the eu, hubby.
You literally said "Capitalist propaganda", you're fucked up probably.
>>74944353
You do realize that now Germany is 100000x better than our shit countries combined, right?
P.S. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0X_7zy2olok
This is gold
>>74942086
Slavs didn't win, only Jews won.
>>74944326
Because I'm another russian anon.
They were doing very well.
Had a set back before reaching Moscow.
Then USA enacted the lend-lease agreement which meant they shipped over shitloads of supplies.
This allowed the Sovietst to build their wartime economy which wasn't fully functional until 1943.
Basically the US saved 'le slav masterrace' and then fought communism for the next 50 years.
US foreign policy, not even once.
>>74944228
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Valmy
After, everybody saw in Europe that it would be clueless to attack France or to put back monarchy.
After came Napoleon to fuck all the dying kingdoms and bring nationalism.
>>74944199
No, this was compared to the t34/76 and t34/85.
I am on my phone so i don't have the sourcd but it was a russian website that was dedicated to preserving the memories and stories of soviet soldiers from the war.
Look mate, I'm not bagging you guys out. Im merely stating that tanks made by qualified technicians in the usa were superior in virtually every aspect when compared to the rushed production soviet tanks.
You don't need to take it so personally.
>>74944470
>Only Jews won
And everyone is still so cucked they think they somehow "won" something, fighting in a Jewish war for international finance and communism.
>out popped Israel
(((pure coincidence)))
/thread
>>74942086
t. Average German citizen
>>74944546
>Those casualties
Did everyone just give up in the middle of battle
>HRE
>Destroyed Rome
>Actually allied with Turks throughout history
>Lost two world wars
>Invented communism
Germans haven't really ever proved themselves to be a master race.
>>74944599
>We're now controlled by Germany
huh? Isn't Germany an American colony?
>>74944467
Whell they're capitalists and they had an anti-soviet propaganda. What should we call it, wishful anglosaxon mistake?
>>74944395
They were good because they were more reliable and the chance of you surviving a hit was far greater than if you were in a t34.
The numbers arent exact but the survival rate for crews hit in a t34 was something like 30% while a sherman crew had something like a 75% survival rate.
Hitler speaking about the "tank situation"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oET1WaG5sFk
>>74944741
that's a British article on the left column
>>74944621
Yuropeans fight like that, you kill a few hundreds and the rest run. Very civilized.
>>74942519
You pigs fought like a pack of craven niggers. Even when you had the benefit of crushing numbers, the Germans still killed more of your men, destroyed more of your tanks and decimated more of your aircraft.
>Russian tanks were just zerg rush tanks
Top fucking kek that is literally what USA did, they decided instead of making newer tanks that would stand up to tigers, panthers they would just keep producing their shitty Shermans and overrun Germans with numbers. USA sent many of them to Soviet Union, but they were disliked.
>>74944754
Jesus Christ...
You still don't fucking get it, do you?
Communism is cancer. Always has been. Look at 50-60s America/Germany and look at our countries. They've always been better than us, it's not propaganda, it's a fact. Western politicians always laughed at us, at the Union.
Look at fucking Kaliningrand/Kenigsberg. You've turned it into a complete shithole. A beautiful German city turned into a fucking Russian dump.
yeah, "Capitalist Propaganda", no shit, son...
>>74944757
>The numbers arent exact but the survival rate for crews hit in a t34 was something like 30% while a sherman crew had something like a 75% survival rate.
Maybe it had something to do with soviet crews being forbidden to abandon tank unless they can't shoot and drive.
>they were more reliable
34s were more easy to fix in the field though. Simplicity has it's advantages.
>>74944489
The set back at moscow was when hitler diverted guderian and his panzer armies south the encircle kiev.
The germans greatly underestimated the number of reserves the soviets had access to so hitler thought cutting off and destroying the million plus troops at kiev would basically knock out the soviets.
Also, hitler was paranoid about repeating the same mistakes as napolean so he didn't want to just rush into moscow to find it burnt to the ground.
>>74942169
You didn't complain about being outnumbered while you were wining.
>>74942086
White nations need to stop the infighting. Have you never heard of divide and conquer? It doesn't matter if you're a slav, the point is that you're not a shitskin
>>74944283
Liquid TLO
Pffft
>>74945001
Shitposting about the past never does any harm.
/pol/ is still united when it comes to race
Some WW2 banter can't hurt
>>74945001
>Have you never heard of divide and conquer?
Half the anons in threads like these are:
>non-white
>Jewish
>too stupid to engage at any other level beyond "muh dick" or "muh flag"
Easy prey for shill tactics.
>>74944776
>comparing a heavy tank to a medium one
Not biased at all!
>>74945129
>implying the Soviets produced heavy tanks in significant numbers
you can see the challenge here
>>74942248
the soviet union actually only had twice your population, including unruly minorities like turkics, manchurians and tatars.
so it was more like 1 lion vs 2 rats. that's not even counting your puppets/occupied countries.
you sure were one shitty lion.
>>74944939
Yes, not being able to abandon a tank played a small part in the casualty rate but you will find that in reality, virtually every soviet tank crew did bail out of the tank.
Yes the 34 was easier to fix but is simplicity really worth the trade off in reliability? Like fuck me, early t34 tanks had to carry a spare transmission on the back of their tank because they wouldn't last even 100km before they had a major malfunction!
>>74944776
Production time for a Panther 100 000 man hours. T-34-85 about 3000 man hours.
Muh Panther, Transmission breaks galore and spontanous combustion, Such teutonic glory.
>>74944925
Now compare poor commie Cuba and their rich successful neighbour, capitalist Haiti.
We will all soon live like in Haiti, what a joy. Damn those commies, holding us for almost a century.
>>74942086
sheer numbers. the Russians threw millions of men into the German war machine like a wood chipper until it clogged, then then bashed it to pieces with clubs.
>>74945234
>spontanous combustion
do you also believe in UFOs?
>>74942086
by simply pissing off too many countries at the same time
Hitler did "something" wrong after all i suppose
>>74945234
The biggest problem with panthers were the final drives. The germans lacked the materials to harden them properly so they would just have teeth sheared off them rendering them useless.
>>74945173
3800+ IS-2 tanks produced, eeh yes that is significant. Twice as many as there were Tigers. But thats just because german industry was horribly horribly inefficient.
>>74943728
They were lead by a Corporal who gave some of the most retarded orders in the recent history of modern warfare.
They would have lost 1 v 1 against the Soviets.
>>74945234
>muh reliable t34
kek
>>74945324
He did ask all of Europe to rally to the cause.
They were too busy collecting shekels to listen.
>Hitler Honors Germany's International Army
https://youtu.be/8ra-ChcOiuU
>>74945282
Not an argument. Russia and Ukraine are also capitalist countries, so what? We are poor as shit.
Some capitalist countries are successful, some are not.
But when comparing Russia and USA you say that Russia is better, you're really fucking blind.
It's like saying: "Ukraine is better that Denmark" or some shit.
>>74945331
Or you know because the final drive was designed for a tank 15 tonnes lighter but the combined idiocy of the fuhrer, MAN and Heereswaffenamt couldn't understand that would be a problem.
>>74945353
>spontaneous combustion
Do you also believe in ESP?
Soviets invented the revolutionary battle doctrine of "deep battle" which crushed the krauts at the courland and East Prussian battles.
>muh meat grinder
>muh dumb russians LOL
The only battles where the krauts won is where they surprised the enemy by breaking the treaty and then acting all smug about it.
But as history shows, the smuggest people always get their shit kicked in the worst.
>>74945173
IS-2 - 1140 units made
Tiger - 623 units made
>>74945173
What are IS and IS-2.
>>74945440
If you are in a Panther tank spntaneous combustion of the vehicle was a noticeable problem. Because oil and fuel from the engine would gather on the bottom of the engine compartment.
if the tank for instance backfired, which was common when powering down, the risk of catching fire was immense.
>>74945463
>>74945466
Ah, you're right, the Tiger was the "heavy". I always think of the Panther as a heavy, but technically, it's a medium "on the heavy side".
>>74944873
This is true. Hitler envied the industrial might of America, which of course no longer exists... but alas it's what won us the war. If history were a bit different and Hitler took a gentler slope to world domination, the might of industrialized America paired with the technology Germans were perfecting at the time would have made a world uniting empire unseen on earth.
>>74944677
Imagine: no germans.
>>74945411
>But when comparing Russia and USA you say that Russia is better, you're really fucking blind.
I did not do it. We were discussing tanks and someone (not me btw) said t-34 being bad tank is capitalist propaganda. Which it probably was, their enemy was armed with that tank.
You somehow made it into economy comparing.
>>74945412
> couldn't understand that would be a problem.
yeah, the industrial desperation to push out a recently designed tank as fast as possible had issues because those retarded germans just didn't understand,no other factors to consider though
nice meme
>>74942561
You prolly still believe you won WWii as well.
germany is not super strong, not when compared to the rest of the entire world combined.
>>74945569
>If you are in a Panther tank spntaneous combustion of the vehicle was a noticeable problem. Because oil and fuel from the engine would gather on the bottom of the engine compartment.
[citation needed]
oh wait you just read the wikipedia article for the panther D at kursk and now the swecuck is an expert
>>74945664
Not just tanks, the entire retardation of german military procurement is fucking shocking.
>>74945569
>spntaneous combustion
Is an increase in temperature due to exothermic internal reactions. Fuel catching fire in an event like a backfire is an ignition event caused by an external source. You mean to say just "combustion risk" due to engine design, not that the fuel/armor/engine parts was somehow igniting itself (ie, spontaneous combustion)
>>74945654
Italy, the Traitor, stikes again
>>74944677
>>74945654
>italy and greece
>butthurt over germany
like clockwork
it's like brits butthurt over the french
>>74945760
Thats from the british test on the Panther after the war, and basically any book on the vehicle not called "Glorious german soldiers tell tru story bruh" and written by some asshole kraut
>>74945830
inter-generational propaganda effects
>>74945581
Technically, germans check their mass, we and you check their guns for tank classification. So it was heavy for nazis, but for us puny 75mm german gun is not heavy, doesn't matter if your tanks is huge (because you fucked up with armor, kek)
America also pretended their 90mm pershing was heavy to boost troops morale during ww2.
>>74945830
"hur dur butthurt"
krauts need to die. they ruin europe every 50 years or so
>>74945901
Interesting. I did not know that.
>>74945763
lol sure it is mate
where was sweden's incredible war machine again?
do you have stalin's nose so far up your ass that you think the red army's industrial efficiency was better? you might want to look into the t34's teething problems if you base your evaluation of historical armies and industries on that kind of shit. all major powers fallible in some way in WW2. the major allied and axis forces all pulled off incredible feats, you reductive cuck.
>>74945931
inb4
>krauts owe us reparations
https://youtu.be/x8OmxI2AYV8
>>74942357
Germany would've conquered europe during WWI if the britbong faggots hadn't sold out Europe to the Jews to get the US involved.
>>74944379
>Muh 100000000000 thousand trillions slavs vs 1 only unique german inocent soldier
Load of bullshit, The war between Germany and russia had barely 2/1 kd
>but germany lost 8 million while the soviet lost 13 millions, how is it 2/1?
The Soviets got 5 german millions POW and the Germans Captured about the same number. out of 5, 3 million soviet POWS died, and were added to the casualities.
In the other hand only 500 thousand german pows died.
>LIES
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_prisoners_of_war_in_the_Soviet_Union
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_mistreatment_of_Soviet_prisoners_of_war
>Are Prisoners of war, who died added to the body count?
Yes
>>74945870
>Thats from the british test on the Panther after the war
uhuh, care to cite it and some reliable corroborations?
>>74946029
Nope, we forgave them in london
We forgave them and this is what they do
krauts not even once
Based russians
>>74946005
Moving ze goalpost and bringing up irrelevant shit. Good on yah.
Yes all powers made mistakes, only one started a war that would clearly lead to the destruction of their country.
>>74945901
But that's wrong. The germans classed the panther as a medium.
The germans classed their tanks according to their roles and not the gun size or the weight of the tank.
>>74946057
were they outnumbered?
>yes
tl;dr
>Changing the subject as a rebuttal.
straight to the trash
>>74946145
You weren't alive in WW2. If you still take it personally, it's the result of indoctrination and propaganda. Clear your head before studying history. Maybe look into some Hermeneutics, Godamer, etc.
:^)
>>74942086
the eternal anglo struck again.
>>74946232
>Moving ze goalpost and bringing up irrelevant shit
what goalposts?
you didn't have an argument you mental defective, just some retarded assertions
>>74946079
Google "British test panther" is apparently too hard? It is quite well known
>>74946255
you weren't alive either, what's your point?
>it's the result of indoctrination and propaganda
the fact that they killed our people is propaganda?
jesus christ, your grandfather probably died fighting krauts, and you lick them
fuck off you moron
>>74943761
>In a hypothetical istuation where germany had 5mil troops and the ussr had 5 mil troops germany would win 99% of the time, but this was not the case in real life.
What an stupid hypotetical situation, I can claim that in that situation, if USSR had the same amount of trained personnel and the same weapon technology they would win 99,99%
I can also claim if Germany was to invade Russia today it would be reduced to prehistoric landmass.
>>74942357
>t. Anglo cuck expert
>>74942086
Goebbels' last words fag
>>74946322
>people i like looking attractive & stronk
>people i don't like looking dumb, lel
it's like a retarded kid collage
>>74946364
>you weren't alive either, what's your point?
that you're not being objective and acting buttmad at a country like they bombed your house.
>>74946383
"Axis would have won if it wasn't for reality"
>>74942086
Because other than the blue eyed meme there is nothing to show for any superiority
>>74946339
oh my god unfavorable test results from one test that doesn't corroborate, well I guess all 6000 of them were shit and never operated, incredible
>>74946255
Point in that post where i said Germany wasn't out numbered.
>Changing the subject as a rebuttal.
There's people in this board who thinks germany had a 1/10 kd ratio pal.
So i have to clarify some things
>>74946429
they nearly did.
a pincer maneuver to take Moscow instead of a head-first straight line would have won the war. In fact, if Hitler hadn't had dysentery the week Barbarossa started, he would have pressed the original plan with the generals, instead of their last minute revision.
A butterfly flaps its wings...
>>74946524
>i said Germany wasn't out numbered
then you listed the kill to death ratio.
How many troops did the Soviets + Britain + the US have, how many did Germany have? ffs Germany was lending troops to Italy. They didn't outnumber their opponents, and were spread across multiple fronts.
So wtf are you talking about?
>>74945657
>their enemy was armed with that tank, so we must say it's bad
Though you'd never say Tiger is a bad tank, would you?
And reliability of 34s' was just shit, which wouldn't matter much in small distances, but not the ones we had to cross
>>74946383
Axis outnumbered USSR 2:1 in 1941 and in 1942 in eastern front.
This is the reason why they advanced so fast.
>>74944990
they cucked themselves to death desu
>be wermacht
>hitler says "do this do that cuz muh feelings"
>get BTFO
>be lufftwaffe laying down BTFO on everything in the sky
>suddenly stop making based aircraft and start producing meme weaponry (V2 rockets were the most inefficient weapon to EVER be created in terms of cost to kills ratio)
>britbongs suddenly have better aircraft in just 1 year
master race of memes
>>74946652
>a pincer maneuver to take Moscow instead of a head-first straight line would have won the war
We don't really care about Moscow though. It's just a natural transport hub. We have extra iron roads exactly for a case like that.
>>74946770
It's not 1812 anymore, familia
>>74945408
just because he couldn't find more allies didn't mean he had to declare war on everybody and everything
especially not Burgerland after the Nippon's bombed Pearl Harbor
shit could've been so comfy in Germania
Instead we got Eurabia
>>74946753
1941:
>5,500,000 (overall) soviet troops (only 12,000,000 mobilizeable, this is why they were losing)
>3,767,000 German combined forces (80% in the east)
1942:
>5,313,000 soviet forces on the front (383,000 in hospital, Total: 9,350,000
>3,720,000 german forces
>>74946680
moron, he was many times more reliable than the tiger..
>>74946652
>they nearly did.
the reasons germany failed in the east would still have stood if moscow had been taken. in fact, they would have been more overstretched, logistics would have been even poorer and the russian military complex would still have been out of reach of bombers. it wouldn't have made a difference.
>>74946914
This.
Hitler went full psycho, they should have wait until their armies were prepared.
Italian army was a shit and Spain was a whole mess that it didn't even't joined axis and the usa war declaration is the proof that Hilter was just insane.
>>74946680
>Though you'd never say Tiger is a bad tank, would you?
No. But past is past, while 34-85 was in our army till 1993.
>And reliability of 34s' was just shit
You do realise those tanks from war monuments are mostly operational?
>>74946914
Beautiful
>>74947100
>the reasons germany failed in the east would still have stood if moscow had been taken
Possibly, but the chances would have risen significantly. If they could have withstood seige for the duration of a winter, they could have established supply. By the then the Soviet army would have been broken anyway, and they could have started offensives again.
>>74946914
Burgerland was already attacking German subs in the North Atlantic and had annexed Iceland. Hitler had no choice, you should read his speech when he made the declaration, it makes more sense.
>>74946770
>We have extra iron roads exactly for a case like that.
Nope, in 1941 you didn't. Moscow didn't have majority of soviet industry, but it was the only transportation hub connecting all parts of the country together.
>>74947201
that's a lot of assumptions. pretty sure russia would have bypassed moscow, not layed siege to it. there was nothing in moscow essential to the war effort, to my knowledge. but we'll never know i guess.
>>74946986
at the start of barbarossa Axis outnubered USSR 2:1, USSR was not mobilized
during 1941 axis captured people that were supposed to be mobilized.
you interprete numbers complete wrong.
in 1941 USSR evacuated people from western to eastern regions and reestablished industry there
>>74946912
Wut? Railroads are most important things in the war. BTFO main hub, and your army will starve to death.
>>74947352
We evacuated factories, government and even Lenin from moscow. Only Stalin remained in moscow for morale boost.
>>74947100
Also, had they coordinated with the Japanese, and kept them from attacking the US, instead diverting all resources to attacking the Russians on that flank, the Soviet union would have been smashed fairly easily. Just an interesting aside. THe japs were useless allies.
>>74947362
>you interprete numbers complete wrong.
no, because once the USSR pulled it's pants up, they amassed nearly twice the troops that the Germans had in total. Barbarossa depended entirely on smashing them while they were vulnerable and grabbing Moscow quickly. Once their momentum to Moscow slowed, the inevitable happened:
>Russia got its shit together and smashed them
Everyone knew that was the risk.
>>74945187
>implying soviet union was germanys only problem
>>74947460
yes, you are wrong
during intitial phase of war in 1941 Axis outnumbered ussr in fronline 2:1.
You dont know histroy at all
Battle of moskow was won byeastern army that came from border with japan LOL
only later in 1942 when they restored evacuated industrial companies they amassed new army. LOL
>>74947762
That army that came from Japan border was not partisan. It was very well equipped Soviet troops who were There because USSR was worried Japan would invade north of Manchuko.
>>74944345
He is.
If he wasnt he'd knew they destroyed our empire via missmanagement
>>74947880
it was only reserve ussr had and it was not better equiped than the rest of the army
barbarossa had intitial success because germans and allies zerg rushed ussr and in 1941 ussr had stupid ideological commie commanders (communists are stupid) and totalitarian ruler Stalin that listened to nobody.
later stalin restored imprisoned generals and they won war without him.
>>74944869
>mfw Confederate soldiers had "crushing numbers" by your logic
>>74947762
>during intitial phase of war in 1941 Axis outnumbered ussr in fronline 2:1.
Yes, in 1941. That's what I meant by "pants down". That's what I'm saying, so we're not disagreeing overall. I was hoping you would get that by implication reading my posts with the specific numbers. Maybe it's a language problem here, and you're misunderstanding me, but it sounds like you were telling me the Germans outnumbered soviet forces -- UNTIL I pointed out that this was only true in 1941. Now you're telling me what I just told you, as if to correct me. It's confusing. It took one year to correct that deficit on the Russian side.
>You dont know histroy at all
Obviously not. Why do anons always whine this way during a disagreement about specific points like these? It doesn't help the debate go anywhere. Would you prefer I SHOW you the numbers? You can google them, lots of sources out there.
>Battle of moskow was won byeastern army that came from border with japan LOL
I'm talking to a 12 year old, aren't I?
Here:
>http://archive.is/7kTD
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Front_%28World_War_II%29#Forces
thanks man, it was interesting for a while there.
>>74946652
>across multiple fronts
>4 wermacht soldiers (the might of the nazi war machine) and most of the Panzer divisions were diverted to the east front
>At the same time the Soviets were facing the Japonese, but that doesn't count.
Yes they were diverted across multiple fronts and so were everyone.
>>74948320
>they were diverted across multiple fronts and so were everyone
"Everyone" = multiple nations.
That's all I fucking said to begin with.
Why are you arguing nonsense with me?
>>74946914
KEK, Berlin was built on top of a marsh which make Germania impossible.
>>74948140
>because paranoid limpdick Stalin purged the most talented officers and administrators
fixed
>>74948279
Barbarossa failed in 1941 and in winter 1942 - summer 1943 Axis started to lose.
biggest loses ussr had in 1941 and 1942.
if we count all military loses than USSR killed more axis soldiers during all war.
you was wrong ain everyhting.
>>74942519
Unfourtunately our military was horribly disorganized and too political. If Germany wholly focused on us we maybe would have lost. But we were being huge retards. If we literally didnt fight as badly as.
>first 3 days
>lose 2000 planes on the ground
And were actually coordinated, we would have btfo Germany by 1944. But even though we had far superior landweapons, and decent aircraft we got fucked because of Stalin's military being disorganized and political.
>>74947100
The Soviet Union would have fallen into chaos once Moscow was taken.
it took combined efforts of the whole world to stop us.
you all know the goebbels quote in which he says that should the natsocs leave the scene of history, they will slam the door behind them loud enough for the whole world to hear. and thats what they did.
>>74942086
Superior mongol IQ.
>>74942959
lol, Slav here, even I know this is not true.
>>74947202
its not like we didn't attack their marine or the britbong supply vessels they where supposed to protect either
neither side took it to serious until one got salty
>>74948586
>implying German engineering wouldn't have found a solution
does it still hurt Pedro?
>>74949700
>Checked
Football is degenerate sport comrade.
>>74942625
Yeah, and then we made more germans then the dead nazi cucks buried beneath cold soil. And now germans will be forever gone, even their language replaced by arabic
>>74945234
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClR9tcpKZec
even hitler agrees with you
>>74942086
oh look a self hating german what a surprise!
>>74949224
The Soviet Union wouldn’t have fallen into chaos once Moscow was taken.
>>74948635
>you was wrong ain everyhting.
You're still not fundamentally disagreeing with me. I know you're trying really, really hard to. You have almost no reading comprehension, and judging by your spelling and peurile "lel u dumb lel", not much maturity. Your English needs to improve, since you can't tell when people are contradicting you or not.
>>74951048
Yeah, you can't "more-chaos" pure chaos.
>>74951070
>Your English needs to improve
You understand him well so stop shitting fatfuck.
What other language do you speak beside redneck gibberish?
>>74947541
Apparently, it was.
http://ww2db.com/doc.php?q=332
>>74951346
The Problem >>74951070 is reffering to is not >>74948635 ability to write English but to understand it.
>>74951070
you post complitely illogical things - walls of text without any sence
you was wrong in numbers and facts, i care only about numbers, you can learn languages as much as you want lol
>>74942086
Fucking moron OP.
If Spartans were supposed to be the "mastur warriors", why the fuck did they get destroyed the "le Persian subhumans"?
Answer this and you answer yourself.
>>74943568
Here's to this.
>>74942519
Didn't like 80-90% of Russian men die in that war, killed by the Germans?
Germans were outnumbered by like 12 to 1 at times against the Russians. If they had better guns they might have even won.
>>74951735
>i care only about numbers
There you go, m8.
>>74942963
>Are you implying that Germans didnt have united Europe under they control
Yeah only because they were so fucking badass they conquered all of Europe
>>74951070
forgot to add
Numbers in wikipedia are biased
even if you tell about ussr (only 50% were russians there) you need to tell that axis had also austrians( as a part of germany) , romanians, finns, italians, hungarians, slovenians, bulgarians etc, SS volunteer devisions, ROA and for example supportive personal that wascounted as military in ussr etc.
so you just spead bullshit.
>>74952064
20% of young man, while germans lost 45% of youth
>>74944776
That you for this link!
Extremely interesting.
>>74942086
Because they used the old russian strat: keep throwing slavs at it until you succeed
my god all you white ppl fighting internally...
white ppl must unite vs niggers, arabs and jews
>>74952211
>strange ukranian noises
>>74951912
/thread
>>74952344
your butthurt deprived you from ability to form coherent responses lol
sad but true lol
German-American here. I need one of you Germans to hook me up with your hot cousin or sister so I can pump out a bunch of babies and we can kill the Jews again.
>>74952424
>thinks I'm reading his filtered shitposts
;^)
>>74952522
why would a 50% jew kill jews?
>>74952656
>why would a 50% jew kill jews?
>>74952727
>>74942086
Germany lost because it had a madman at the helm, pursued stupid strategies that hurt them, and over-engineered all their shit, so that when their supply lines crumbled they broke.
>>74952777
>a madman
Congrats, you watch the History Channel.
>>74952656
why would a 50% somalian kill muslims?
>>74944083
British Vickers light tank*
>>74944199
Wasn't BT series just almost exact copy and modification of US Christie M1931?
Though there is no disputing the fact that Sovjet Union had the best tank forces in 20s and 30s.
If not by quality in every case then just by sheer numbers.
>>74942086
>If krauts were supposed to be the "mastur race", why the fuck did they get destroyed the "le slav subhumans"?
Because the whole world > Germany, its simple logic you underage faggot.
Why do mods allow these shit threads and why do people reply to them?
>>74946208
Yet nearly started ww3 over and over again
also situation in the ukraine
>>74942086
>If krauts
t. antifa
To answer your question germans overextended themselves because they are arrogant fucks that believed their own "master race" propaganda.
>>74942086
>40 million dead Russians
>>74956222
that's basically nothing for them, stalin killed like 20 mil for shits and giggles
