>human jobs are disappearing and nothing you can do about it
>>74917456
I work in a gun store. When will my job become automated and profitable?
Or I can stop being human
>>74917456
jeez, i so wish i could work as a solar-panel cleaner.
I am a gun store. when will the market become automated and profitable?
>>74917574
Obama please don't shitpost, you have stuff to do.
>>74917503
Only a matter of time
>>74917456
The goal of the economy is to eliminate labor faggot
>>74917456
Who cleans the solar panel on the solar panel cleaner..?
>>74917613
>what are 3d gun printers
>>74917456
Become a programmer, u faggot
>>74917456
Is that a solar powered solar panel cleaner? But who cleans the cleaners solar panel?
>>74917456
The ultimate end goal of a perfect socialist society, is where every job is automated, freeing up the people for artistic and personal pursuits.
It's the transition that is a bitch.
>>74917681
An even smaller robot.
>>74917456
That's why everyone should go into CS.
People who can't write code will soon be considered illiterate.
>>74917654
>Obama please don't shitpost
I fucking lol'd
>>74917456
when a nigger comes along and rips that shit apart to sell at the local scrapyard, how will it be repaired?
Good. The more jobs are eradicated by technology, the sooner we change economic systems.
>Spoiler: actually, there'll be a mass-culling of the plebs in a massive socioeconomic civil war first.
>>74917456
What's the problem with that? Isn't that the point of continued technological improvements?
>>74917793
The majority of science degrees do programming though. Especially things like matlab and fortran.
This machine makes the entire burger.
>>74917503
It could be automated right now.
For instance: A gun vending machine. Choose gun, give money, receive gun.
Your job only exists because of government intervention.
>>74917456
all the reasons why to split up money between people. if all these jobs are disappearing or going to thanks to AI, driverless cars, robots, then it's important how money is split up. I think a universal basic income is on its way whether you or me agree with it or not makes no difference. Sooner or later people are going to start dying on the streets, you think it's a joke or funny now, but we'll see how funny it is when that big mouth of yours doesn't have any food in it. Besides, you faggots who are in disagreement with it don't have to dimes to rub together, you ain't baller rich, and you never will be,. You think you are part of the club, ,but you are not. You think making six figures or more a year is big shot, you soon too will have no money thank sto them and then we'll all be on the same boat, bitching.
>>74917456
>sneak onto local solar farm
>pour paint into robot cleaner reservoir
>giggle
>>74917503
>>74917456
its what Bernie wants
Bernouts hate poor people and want anyone whose labor is worth $14.99/hr or less to have their job replaced by a robot or a mexican
>>74917749
The dock that fills the cleaner, which is powered by the other panels.
>>74917691
is this really a viable option?
>>74917503
>what is a website
>what is online ordering
If I lived in the US I wouldn't ever visit a fucking store anymore.
Basic income fixes literally all the problems. The right and left should both embrace it.
Gets rid of the need for minimum wage laws (need to have competitive wages to compete with basic income)
Gets rid of bloated government programs
Everyone gets the same amount of money
Reduces crime, healthcare costs
Only a total moron or shill can be against basic income
>>74918065
You act like that isn't already happening.
>>74918285
>"Basic income fixes literally all the problems."
Except for problem numero uno
WHERE THE FUCK DOES THE MONEY COME FROM
>>74917681
>Who cleans the solar panel on the solar panel cleaner..?
Checkmate atheists.
>>74918285
The people against basic income are largely the reactionary types. It's welfare, so it's bad. Nevermind that unemployment continue to climb and the next generation of kids won't have ANY jobs to look forward to.
According to the reactionaries, the average person should just starve to death if they can't find any work in an economy where most work is being done by tireless hyper-efficient robots.
And very typically the individuals who think everyone should just roll over and die, never see themselves as one of the losers in this deal who will have to roll over and die. It's amazing how fast their opinion on it changes once they're fired from their job and replaced by a robot.
>>74918480
From the cut welfare programs I already talked about? You'd be spending maybe a little more money overall but the increased stimulus from having poorer people with disposable income would more than make up for it.
>>74918480
Well, you see, in magical pixie land, we already automated everything.
From doing this, we have a massive national surplus. Which we turned into a basic income.
>>74918480
It comes from taxpayers, particularly the rich due to the way the progressive tax system works.
>>74917456
Good, fuck working.
>>74918553
How can they be against something that everyone gets, that's what confuses me. It's been proven to work. People are so stupid.
>>74918603
Kill yourself
>>74918480
>WHERE THE FUCK DOES THE MONEY COME FROM
From the productive work of the automation.
>>74918725
You don't need automation for basic income, you retards.
>>74917591
Perhaps you could clean the cleaning bot
How the fuck is anyone going to break out of NEET hell?
>>74918764
>You don't need automation for basic income, you retards.
Nope, not at all.
All you need is productive workers that make more than they consume. IE an economy past serfdom.
>>74918480
>tax the companies that automated everything
>basic income
>people give basic income back to the companies
>many people still also work because they don't want to live off 10k
The jobs that are disappearing aren't for "humans"
>>74918480
Robots are cheaper and more efficient than humans.
It's either basic income, letting thousand of people starve because there are no jobs or forcing people to do shit like cleaning up the streets to justify giving them money.
>>74918910
Yeah, they're for the chinese.
>>74918348
Considering just today I bought services from 3 people who work $14.99 or less, I'm going to say yeah, nah.
The main force for this change is Bernouts demanding that anyone whose labor is worth $14.99/hr or less to become homeless and presumably suicidal, and the top goal of Bernie Sanders is to sign it into law.
>>74918285
how the fuck do you pay for basic income ?
>>74917946
It looks like shit.
>>74917503
as soon as the gubmint gets tha fuck out tha way
>>74918991
>how the fuck do you pay for basic income ?
How the fuck do you accumulate wealth within an economy?
>>74918977
You're pretty shortsighted.
>>74918991
As I keep spamming into this thread, all we need to do is automate everything. Or as much as everything as we can.
Then, as a nation, we have goods to sell on the international markets. Thus creating money for the country. Which is spread around in the form of a basic income.
But I was told to kill myself for saying this. Sooo, I'm not sure if we should ever do this until the great purge.
>>74918991
Do you realize how much the overhead costs for the welfare programs that already exist?
It's not like we're giving out 30k a year. It's a basic level to keep you above a certain point.
The increased purchasing power combined with the cut of massive bureaucracy is enough
>>74917456
Good, jobs are shit. Why would you want to waste your life earning shekels for a government that hates you instead of enjoying yourself?
>>74918835
>all you need is productive works to cuck
fuck you NEETs, give me one reason why you shouldn't be gassed
>>74917456
>become rich
>never have to worry
STFU
>>74919201
Why shouldn't you be gassed?
>>74917456
I'm a researcher so jokes on you. My job can't be automated. (Atleast not for a while.)
>>74917456
Yea well the shitposting bot is already broken. Someone tell the mods.
>>74919132
Do me a favour, because it would be good for you, and everyone in this thread.
Look up the actual cost of the welfare program. Post the hard numbers, with source here.
Then take, oh, say. 15k? That sounds like a good low number for a basic income. And multiply it by the 40 million people in this country.
Do the numbers add up? Which one is bigger? And by how much.
Just so you don't tell me to kill myself again. This isn't me trying to be a dick. I'm genuinely curious how the numbers add up. So don't go all hate speech on me again.
neet here. how do i get out of neetdom without a degree? pls
>>74919250
I'm a productive member of society faggot
I design cannabis strains and manage crops, robutt can't do my job.
>>74919094
Disagreeing with the outcome of your fantasy scenario doesn't mean I'm short sighted. Robots are going to be able to drive the value of certain types of labor down, but they seem profitable due to the current economic situation. At the end of the day the most profitable workers will be the ones that are made of water, sugar, and nitrogen, and not the ones made of limited resources.
>>74919132
Yes I do, but I dont think you do realize that basic income is literally welfare + food stamps + whatever times a thousand.
so its literally the same thing, except you want to alienate a large majority of the population even more than today by giving them this basic income.
your logic is just retarded I'm sorry
>>74918955
Bingo
>>74917932
> matlab
> programming
>>74919201
>fuck you NEETs, give me one reason why you shouldn't be gassed
Because we have machines to make stuff for us, so why do you care?
>>74919397
You're shortsighted because you believe humans are special and cannot be replaced by robots.
You might as well believe in a sky fairy while you're at it. You don't live in reality, you live in a fantasy world and actual discussion with you is impossible.
>>74919365
Society is vastly over-rated
>>74919578
Finite resources, too many people.
>>74917456
Good.
Humans are flawed.
>>74919365
No you aren't.
>>74917456
IT - Systems Automation Admin checking in. I am automating all IT processes to cuck all you fucking millennials. By the time you ass hats graduate, there will be less IT jobs for you ungrateful bastards.
>>74919657
How about you rev up those centrifuges and get to lowering the global population by starting WW3. Hmm? Please?
>>74919357
>Commercial drivers license
>apprenticeship
>learn programming
Of course you can always start with a menial job like most other people.
>waiter
>department stores
>temp agencies
This is what I mostly did. Many warehouses hire in bulk and aren't too picky.
Some give forklift training if you're there long term which can bump you up to 15$/hour
>>74919657
>Finite resources, too many people.
Not in Canada, or the USA, or most of Europe, or South America.
But even still, lets say I agree we are limited in resources. But just where is that limit? Surely we aren't even fucking close to it now given reserves of well everything and sustainable resources.
>>74919519
Yeah it's technically scripting, but most people don't care about the terminology.
Also I think matlab is in-between since it can be compiled into independent executable files now.
>>74919695
I am though, I literally look at productivity metrics on a weekly basis and justify my existence. Deal with it neetfag.
Constructions companies arnt going away anytime soon. I'm golden buddy.
>>74919611
>You're shortsighted because you believe humans are special and cannot be replaced by robots.
Nopers. Using strawman arguments against anyone who doesn't share your blind optimism doesn't make you look smart.
>You might as well believe in a sky fairy while you're at it.
Says the guy for whom technology is religion and whose faith is that robots will save him.
>You don't live in reality, you live in a fantasy world and actual discussion with you is impossible.
Says the guy who thinks robots are competitive, in any objective sense, with meatbags who need only be paid in water, beans, and rice or whatever. Robots are competitive with humans in a relative sense.
>>74919759
>ID: VELY+FUN
I can't see any alternative to a basic income. The other option is to somehow outcompete a robot. Even the jobs that are irreplaceable are can be done in less time by less people.
>>74917899
this machine still gets operated by people.
and honestly paving roads is a back-breaking, knee-damaging shitty job, why NOT make it easier, faster and cheaper?
>>74917456
Sucks to be a low skilled worker
>>74917456
Yeah I went to school to get a job that cannot be replaced. It's called "thinking ahead" and more people should try it.
>>74919804
>learn programming
don't they say it takes like 10 years to actually learn programming? and where do you even start with that?
>>74919994
Paving roads hasn't been like that in ages. It's all done by heavy machinery. Very little actual labour is involved.
>>74919904
Everyone says their job is secure. But a construction robot is one of the first things I consider when it comes to replacing people.
>>74919904
Actually a lot of automation does occur in construction.
If you look at things like concrete pouring, it used to take huge crews of guys to level out the concrete, mix it, pour it, etc. Now these days you just get a pump truck and like 5 or 6 guys and you can do 20-30k square feet of concrete in a day.
In a general sense power tools alone have reduced the overall need for labour in construction. Just because someone is still working construction doesn't mean technological advances haven't lowered the overall need for workers in the industry.
I don't think anyone is expecting automation to completely eliminate labour, it's the huge reduction in it that they are worried about.
>>74919825
Do you consider yourself better than people who don't work?
>>74920232
I consider myself better than people who CAN work and choose not to, yes.
>>74919819
No one knows how long it'll take for us to be able to mine other planets for resources, we could be dependent on the reserves we have for thousands of years, why waste it on NEETs?
>>74919822
>independent executable files
I think you still have to have the MATLAB runtime library installed.
>>74920180
It's also made the lives of the workers that are still on the job a whole hell of a lot easier and safer.
Sure, less people employed, but happier healthier workers.
>>74920091
Learn Python, write some basic programs, go to school in CS or related major, get 6-figure job right out of school. You just saved 6 years.
>>74920286
>I think you still have to have the MATLAB runtime library installed.
No, it compiles the matlab code into C as far as I'm aware. I have only used it once before and it's kind of finicky, but you don't need matlab installed to run it once it's compiled.
>>74920101
not really, that machine is a rather new invention and there arent that many of them.
>>74920332
You could also potentially argue that although we no longer have need of hiring 100 mexicans to pour concrete, there's more demand for engineers to create building designs suitable to what we have now. There are building designs such as "speedform" or others similar that are specifically created to work around concrete pump trucks to make pouring floors even faster. So automation killed the market for the concrete mixer, but it created a market for the guy that can design a building around concrete pump trucks.
>>74920272
So you only consider yourself superior to those who can work, but don't work;
Then can you define what you consider to be work?
And can you tell me why you think you're better than someone who does not do this work?
>>74917503
>I work in a gun store.
>gun store
>store
A store is just a vending machine with people running it.
Vending machines don't need people.
You are expendable.
>>74920091
>don't they say it takes like 10 years to actually learn programming
It's certainly the most difficult of those options, programming is also for a certain type of person.
If you're serious about it, start googling. There are many sites for this shit, and if you're unwilling to do a little bit of searching then it probably isn't for you.
But if it's only about getting out of NEETdom just go temping or some low wage job. It'll build up your motivation to actually do something more.
At least that's how it works for me.
>>74920286
>No one knows how long it'll take for us to be able to mine other planets for resources, we could be dependent on the reserves we have for thousands of years, why waste it on NEETs?
Mater is conserved They teach that in Iran correct?
>>74919354
How about you look up the numbers for the ontario pilot study? Or the Dauphin one earlier? They're not doing it for kicks, this is going to happen.
The costs saved from healthcare/police/prison are immense. The tangible effect on the economy from basic income is immense.
>>74919417
>alienating anyone by giving everyone the same amount of money
Go shove a baguette up your ass
>>74920730
That's right. I don't think I'm morally better than someone who is physically unable to work. Some people just get dealt a bad hand.
Working is providing value to the world in exchange for the means to support yourself and your family, with labour or intellect. I'm better than someone who doesn't do this because it's morally right to provide for yourself and not be dependent on the charity (or forced taxation) of others. It's a fundamental part of being a man. If you don't see that then your father failed in raising you.
>>74917993
under your laws that would be considered terrorism.
did you know that, Ethan?
enjoy being on a watchist just for suggesting that here. good luck next time you fly.
>>74918051
Most underrated post in months
>>74920773
>Mater is conserved They teach that in Iran correct?
Earth actually loses quite a bit to molecules simply leaving our atmosphere.
Inevitably we will run out of helium which will devastate the world population. Our entire healthcare system will collapse, scientific research will be at a standstill, and you'll no longer be able to buy balloon animals.
Not being able to extract resources from other planets/moons would devastate the human race, there would be no future without it.
>>74917456
IM SCARED /pol/. WHAT IS A GOOD PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE TO LEARN SO I WONT BE USELESS?
>>74920763
>Vending machines don't need people
Do you think they get restocked by magic? Or does a robot walk into every college and replace them all at once.
There seems to be too much treating robots like a religion. They're not magic, they're just tools that increase efficiency. Not much different than a chainsaw increasing your efficiency of cutting wood.
"Humans need not apply" is a youtube video, it's not a gospel. Wherever customization or adaptation is required humans will be as well.
>>74920773
Yeah good luck digging up landfills for resources. Unless you actually recycle something, it's gone the moment you put it in the trash.
>>74920508
You're right on the ball. It only allows contractors to lay the pattern from a standing position instead of on their knees.
Once it's been laid, they sweep mortar into the cracks and water it down.
>>74919737
The indians will replace you and every other retard dumb enough to get into the IT industry much, much sooner than any robot will.
>>74920944
>Working is providing value to the world
Someone who receives a basic income provides a means of allocating resources within a society; that in itself is a form of work, but why does that not qualify to you?
Do you believe there will always be enough jobs so that everyone can have a job?
how is this a bad thing?
the future is memes, people will live for memes and see memes everyday, they won't have jobs
>>74921224
>Someone who receives a basic income provides a means of allocating resources within a society; that in itself is a form of work, but why does that not qualify to you?
No, that's wrong. You're necessitating a bloated bureaucracy to give away free shit to losers. That is not providing value.
>>74920944
Why do you assume people on basic income wouldn't be contributing to society? Is being a wageslave the only way a person adds value?
Arts would expand, intellectualism would thrive, and there would be more REWARDING jobs.
>>74921300
Basic income gets rid of almost all bureaucracy in social programs. You are an actual retard.
>>74921031
>Do you think they get restocked by magic?
I think a driverless vehicle could be loaded at a warehouse by a Baxter-type robot,then drive to the store, where a Baxter-type robot stocks product.
Very simple, and more accurate stocking and pricing than a human.
>>74921300
It's not free shit, nor is the bureaucracy bloated; proposals are more efficient than we have at the moment.
You could look at it as giving the average person, particularly those without jobs, some skin to lose in the game. They cannot, after all, get any basic income if the government itself is bankrupt and collapsing.
>>74921348
>giving the lowest rungs of society free money to keep on being lazy niggers will lead to thriving intellectualism and art
I can't tell if the average user age on this site dropped by 10 years or I just don't find all this stupidity funny anymore.
>>74918206
still has to be shipped to a store when ordered online
>>74921536
>being unemployed means you are part of the lowest rung of society.
So that's all society is to you: How much money people have.
The best people are the ones with the most money, and the worst people (who should just gas themselves already) are the ones without any money.
>>74917456
How much money do you actually save with this?
>>74921536
https://www.rt.com/usa/331216-americans-food-stamps-restrictions/
45 million americans rely on foodstamps. Are those all lazy niggers? Are you suggesting poverty has no social/cultural effect?
The age may have dropped, but the IQ has definitely increased. Sorry about your echo chamber.
>>74921620
The lowest rungs of society are those who can provide for themselves, but chose not to.
>>74917456
since when is holding a small solar panel in front of a big solar panel a job?
>>74921564
Uhhh... they do not ship to the physical store from a warehouse, and then ship from the physical store to you.
They ship from a warehouse to you directly. That's why Amazon is out-competing so many other retailers.
>>74921693
>all poor people choose to be poor
>unironically believing this
haha
>>74921689
Yes. They use those foodstamps to buy energy drinks and junk food.
It's a complete waste of money. Redistributing the wealth from those that provide for themselves and giving it to lazy niggers.
>>74921693
>The lowest rungs of society are those who can provide for themselves, but chose not to.
That doesn't make any sense; these people would just starve to death.
And if they received a basic income, they wouldn't need to provide for themselves.
Are you trying to say that money can ONLY come from certain types of places and money coming from any other place is immoral and bad?
>>74921774
Read my post again. I said nothing of the sort.
You probably shouldn't have dropped out of school before you learned to read.
>>74921868
How would people who can work, but chose not to starve?
That doesn't make any sense.
>>74921536
Yep. Fucking based fag and r_Donald they're big mouth fuck us
>>74922068
*mouths
*Fucked
Need to stop drinking
>>74917869
>Implying Tay wont fix the nigger problem for us.
>>74921850
In a situation where there is, say, 10x as much produced as a society can consume, what reason would there be to restrict 30 or 40% of the population from enjoying the fruits of that production?
Should we continue to restrict the number of people who enjoy the benefits of our automated productivity? Only 0.0001% of the population should be allowed to enjoy it and the rest can starve to death?
What kind of society do you actually want to see? It looks more to me like you just want an excuse to kill a lot of people and lord your social status over others.
>>74921978
You're dodging the question; I asked first, I'd like an answer first.
>>74921489
>Baxter Robot
>finding it's way around inside a large foreign building that may have people inside
>being able to deal with jams or whatever problem that might be had
Stocking vending machines is a variable heavy job, it won't be replaced by robots any time soon.
>>74922178
Your question doesn't make sense.
You basically said "people who can start a fire, but chose not to will freeze to death."
Yeah no shit.
>>74921850
45 million people. More than 10% of your entire population are all just lazy people who buy junk food and energy drinks. All these people according to you would be better off costing more money via police and prisons (do you think people are just going to starve to death and not cause problems?)
You are one of the dumbest people I have ever interacted with.
>>74922202
Both of those issues are pretty much solved already.
Do you think there's something special about people that robots simply cannot replicate?
>>74921478
>>74921348
>Basic income somehow disregards the need to track every living person in the country from cradle to grave, the financial apparatus to provide it and the insane taxation to provide compensation of that level
Basic income is an idiots idea for morons who can't realise cumulative scale - any meaningful "income" provided to everyone will cost more than that country's GDP, while replacing the entire welfare apparatus, which would include dismantling state healthcare and pensions, with this income would lead to mass pauperism - piss in an ocean compared to what was previously garnished.
Example.
Providing an "income" of £5000 ($7240 USD, $9530 CAD), just a FIFTH of the average annual salary, for every single citizen would cost over £320 BILLION.
The 2014-15 welfare budget was £258 billion. £108 billion was in pensions, all gone now thanks to you.
>>74922263
Yes. They're all lazy niggers. If they had any motivation they would get a job and stop leeching off the White man to pay for their 12 fatherless kids.
>>74921978
He's pretending welfare and charity don't exist. That way he can justify massive government overreach as "just a safety net"
This entire thread is reddit tier
None of this is happening in your life time maybe not even your children's life time.Most likely this flying cars
Socialism is coming soon anyway either we'll have basic income or a full scale revolution. Give it 5-10 years when more white collar jobs are automated things like accounting and law are already on the way to being automated, when driverless cars take away blue collar work and when 3D printing becomes more popular.
The fact is not everybody can be a high skilled worker like a programmer or engineer and frankly there aren't enough jobs for these types of work. So telling people to just become programmers is frankly retarded because one there will be oversupply of workers so people won't be able to get jobs anyway and two the wages will go down so it won't be that lucrative of a career anyway.
As always the autistic and sociopathic lolbertarians will argue against welfare and basic income because frankly they have no soul or human decency. It doesn't matter though the sociopathic lolbertarians and the financial elite who argue against these programs will be the first ones who will be hanged during the day of the rope.
>>74917456
>>human jobs are disappearing
No, efficient allocation is disappearing.
There are plenty of jobs - no workers with education.
Something has to change.
>>74922270
Driverless semi trucks are no where near being ready.
>>74922259
Great, and what about the second half of that post? Is there a specific place money HAS to come from for it to be considered 'good' money and the person receiving it to be considered a 'good' person instead of a 'worthless' person?
Your definitions seem to be pretty arbitrary so far, and as near as I can tell you focus mostly on social status rather than the wellbeing of society and the people within it.
Do you think you're being stolen from?
>>74922368
Ontario is already implementing it.
>>74922352
Ok well I will just assume you're trolling. Kill yourself my man.
>>74917456
>>2016
>>not killing yourself
>>74922270
>Both of those issues are pretty much solved already.
No, they're not. Robot's cannot adapt.
They can walk inside a warehouse where their location is triangulated, and they can pick up from pre-set shelves, but they cannot navigate an unknown location, especially with people around.
But of course
>ackshully robot's are just smarter people, they have no downsides
>>74921771
You can't do that with guns m8
>>74922449
>Great, and what about the second half of that post? Is there a specific place money HAS to come from for it to be considered 'good' money and the person receiving it to be considered a 'good' person instead of a 'worthless' person?
Yes, if you get money from me, while I work, to just sit on your ass and "enjoy life" that's not good money. That is a worthless nigger.
>>74922309
So you just proved that it costs less for basic income than those shitty programs
Thanks?
>>74922456
>>74922449
See
>>74922309
Instead of asking where money has to come from to be "good", perhaps answer this question first - where will the money come from in the first place?
>>74922524
I have received firearms in the mail, not sure why you're talking
>>74917948
>>74918206
>>74921771
You forget that sales have to go through FFL dealer.
>>74922448
That's incorrect. They were nowhere near being ready 10 years ago. Now we have trucks being tested with automated systems and remote areas like australia or the oil sands in alberta operating automated trucks already.
But regardless of that you avoided the question, again. Do you think there is something special about humans that robots cannot replicate?
>>74922589
You need an ffl to have anything besides black powder shipped directly to you.
>>74921013
>A GOOD PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE
kek, you learn at least three, after that you can pick new ones up about as easily as learning to drive a new car.
>>74921348
>>74921478
>>74921506
ITT: Bernfags trying to justify living off the backs of others
Hunt or die.
>>74922552
>less
All of those programs are £258 billion. £5000 per citizen is £320 billion.
320 isn't less than 258.
Perhaps you should go back to primary school, you clearly have a problem with numbers and should never be trusted with a simple bank account until you've gotten over that.
>>74922632
You do realize automated trucks are more than glorified cruise control that can stay between the white lines on a highway in clear conditions right?
>>74922551
Why is it okay for the government to take this money from you, but it is not okay for the government to give the money to other people?
I would think it would be okay to give the money to other people, so long as it was not taken from you in the first place, but that doesn't seem to be what you have issue with.
It really isn't very logical or consistent.
>>74922456
The subject of this thread is automation
but thats great implement basic income enjoy the inflation and when people decide they want basic income and disability and unemployment and social security ect.. Enjoy Venezuela.
Not even Europeans can make these systems work. And where the best the world has to offer.
>>74922681
I have a networth of more than 2 million
It's a fact that the richer people are, the more intelligent they are. Sorry that you were born poor and stupid :(
>>74922713
There's no need for pensions with basic income
>>74917456
Is this a NEET meme? A basic income ain't happening.
>>74922382
>Socialism is coming soon anyway either we'll have basic income or a full scale revolution.
Temporarily.
We fucked up and had too loose of an education system.
We need a way of giving people work in finding solutions, giving people goals, etc
Give me a couple years, I'll sort the niggles.
What we need is technocratic social democracy. What we need is strict borders and intervention in poorer countries (why not give jobs to white people that can get people developing in india, etc)
Bringing them here is not the right solution clearly. It just makes both countries worse.
>>74922559
It comes from taxpayers - primarily the rich, as progressive tax systems take more money from the rich than they do anyone else.
>>74922620
No, I explicitly mention that when I say 'government intervention'.
>>74922736
>Why is it okay for the government to take this money from you
It's not.
>>74922714
You do realize you are factually incorrect, right?
>>74922794
>have a networth of more than 2 million
>It's a fact that the richer people are, the more intelligent they are. Sorry that you were born poor and stupid :(
Great, I'll quit my job and you can wire me $1,000,000.00
Don't worry i'm not a leech, I just need to be an intellectual with a bankroll to contribute to society, like kanye west
>>74922382
>Soon
It's going to take a few decades for automation to have a major impact, but yes, it is inevitable.
>>74922755
Why would there be inflation?
>>74922799
Its reddit this is what reddit is talking about.
I told some person I was voting for Trump on reddit because of trade tariffs and he told me it was stupid because of basic income and automation.
>>74922551
It's called a collective society you autistic sociopathic lolbertarian retard. We help each other out in modern civilization we don't let other people who've been disadvantaged to suffer, sorry that may not bode well with you since you are a greedy individualistic fuck head but that's too bad. Either you give basic income to the soon to be displaced and made redundant workers who keep this society going and who have been suffering because the financial elite and neoliberal fuckhead economists and politicians have fucked everything up for them or you get yourself a nice little revolution and we take your property and your wealth at gunpoint and hang your lolbertarian ass for all to see.
>>74922868
So why don't you do something about that, rather than whinging about who the government gives money to?
>>74917691
give it three years, computers will program themselves
>>74922901
Oh yes great argument, you really convinced me with that one.
Be a cook.
>>74922382
Accounting isn't bring automated. Bookkeeping--maybe, but the profession is still very secure.
But... what cleans the solar panel on the solar panel cleaner?
This means no more gibs.
We'll have to ethnically cleanse and then start a new in our libertarian societies, we won't be able to buy shit if we don't have jobs so we'll have to live like the Amish.
Oh well, maybe they'll give us their used and broken shit out of pity.
>You were born to soon to see the dawn of fully-automated luxury Communism
>>74922794
>Has a networth of 2 million
>Yet doesn't understand 320 being bigger than 258
Protip trust fund kiddy, pension compensation is greater than a fifth average salary. Not that you'd know that, having never understood financial soundness.
>>74922828
So you require a massive tax apparatus that disincentivises wealth creation to pay for a system that you say is needed because it incentivised wealth creation.
Think things through before you contradict yourself.
>>74922891
Show me the automated semi that can navigate traffic in Chicago in rush hour.
Show me one that can climb donner pass in a snow storm and safely make it down the other side while avoiding other traffic
Show me one that will know what to do when the first warehouse says they don't know when your load was supposed to get delivered, or if there's an empty trailer at the next warehouse to drop and hook with.
What happens when these trucks break down? 80,000lbs is just going to stop in the middle of the street in fucking Chicago?
>>74922982
There's already been progress on this front. A lot of basic things are already automatic - like automatic error or bugchecking.
You misspell something in your IDE and the program highlights the mistake for you.
It used to be that this never happened, someone had to pour over the code and find mistakes by eye. There used to be extra software developers hired specifically for this sort of thing.
Especially back when you had to plug everything in via punchcard.
Now, it's automated. More of it will be automated in the future; that doesn't eliminate all programming jobs, but it does reduce the number of programmers you need.
>>74922933
Not an argument.
>neoliberal scum acting like they give a fuck about workers
KEK
>>74922911
What do you mean.
Free money always leads to inflation. The person who produces will have all of the power and your supply of money will lose worth.
How many societies have tried to print money. If that worked we would just print money. This is African tier economic thinking
>>74922933
>Either you give basic income to the soon to be displaced and made redundant workers
There's lots of jobs out there. Those lazy niggers don't need any handouts.
>>74922952
I vote.
>>74922933
Your arguments sure have a lot of substance.
>>74923049
The automated solar panel cleaner cleaner of course.
>>74923199
Fix the fucking problem goy I dare you
>>74923141
give me two years and i will
give me a year and you'll see self driving public transit
>>74923191
>IDEs
Are the epitome of sloppy unoptimised programming which oftens leads to unwieldy software which requires heavy manual refactoring.
By the way, self-optimising software is a P=NP problem. Would you like to solve that one or will you just hand wave it away? Do you even understand what that means?
>>74917503
What are gun vending machines and amazon with background checks.
>>74917456
>>74917456
In a unsurprising turn of events, the luddites, malthusians, and socialist still try to argue their dumb ideas have finally become true.
>>74923321
How many pairs of years will it take to get the billions of dollars to retrofit our crumbling infrastructure to accommodate these driverless vehicles?
>>74921031
Already the work load of 100 men can be done with one.
>implying they wont automate the last one soon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3skwk0nnHiU
Huge ass mine near me had a land slide. Perfect chance to fire all the human truck drivers and replace them with computers. (video not from my mine but we use similar tech)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0RCSX95QmE
>>74922982
>give it three years, computers will program themselves
Why don't you people educate yourselves on these matters before speaking about them.
Oh wait you don't need to learn anything because
>the machines'll do it for me
>>74918916
>forcing people to do shit like cleaning up the streets to justify giving them money
Funny thing about New Jersey.
Every gas station is legally required to have someone there to pump your gas.
Most retarded system ever, it only slows people down and wastes money on unnecessary employees.
But hey, unemployment is down right?
>>74923049
well presumably a person. Instead of 100 solar panels needing to be manually cleaned, you just clean one per row of solar panels, drastically reducing labour.
>>74917763
>transition
What is this Jacque Fresco talk you speak of. Dont you know hes a clamunist?
>>74923207
It's simple: we get rid of the idea of money.
>>74923233
You got some stats on that m8? Because from the stats that I have seen most of the new jobs being created are part-time. Also there's plenty of whites out of work m8 why make this is a race issue? There are plenty of whites suffering but I wouldn't expect neoliberal capitalist scum to understand or care.
>thread
I can't be bothered getting a job because one day ((((soon)))) all jobs will be replaced by futuristic robots that can self regulate, self maintain, self fuel, self improve, self create and will run the world. Because of this I am basically useless now and so is everyone else so we should all get free money and we should all get the same amount.
Technology is BAD!!!!!!
Fucking NEET's. Get a job
INB4 There are none. Whah whah
My mum told me I was special and I can do anything and become a millionaire. I'm not cleaning floors!!!
>>74923506
oh...great...
>>74923523
>One day we'll figure out the question P=NP that underlies everything I'm bloviating about!
>Not that I understand it but technomagic handwaves it away!
>>74923506
Go look on craigslist there's tons of jobs on there.
Quit being a lazy nigger and mooching off the people that work.
Humans are going to die of overpopulation and global warming before the technological singularity happens and there is nothing you can do about it.
>>74923506
>>74923113
>So you require a massive tax apparatus that disincentivises wealth creation to pay for a system that you say is needed because it incentivised wealth creation.
The tax apparatus does not disincentivize wealth creation; from the outset your argument is already flawed.
What Basic Income does is transitions the tax base from the individual to the corporation, with citizens acting as the means of the allocation of resources. Increasing the amount of money that the average citizen has to spend is beneficial in an economy teetering on the verge of stagnation, where money isn't moving around because it's sitting in the coffers of rich investors and businesses who have little to actually invest in.
Or to put it another way, it turns the average person into an investor. In aggregate the people of the country decide what to invest in.
We already have this partially in existence, but with automation replacing workers in most jobs, the supply of money available to the citizenry is steadily decreasing - as a result, which is very visible today, the economy stagnates. People save instead of spend, spend little when they have to; resources don't get allocated quickly or efficiently, and the machinery of society grinds and locks up.
>>74923141
You still haven't come up with any reason why an automated truck couldn't actually do any of those things, but a person can.
>>74917456
and virtual reality is right around the corner, along with immortality. Give all these things maybe another 4-7 years.
This thread every day.
No you're not getting a basic income when the machines come. There'll be a war to kill off the excess population and the elites will live in luxury forever.
>b-but muh basic income! Robots will do everything and we will pay with welfare!
LOL
>>74917763
>freeing up the people for autistic and personal pursuits.
>autistic
welcome to 4chan! strike up the reeeeee
>>74923604
But anon, P=NP is itself a P=NP problem, so it all cancels out :^)
>>74923713
Wait, what? Are you proposing people getting tax generates more wealth?
>>74922202
First off seek and avoid and such are problems that are hard but can and have been solved.
Second off you can just restock at night.
No one blames the train when someone is dumb enough to get squished. EvenIf you have dumb robots with big warning lights that only operate at night you can just blame the retards who stumble into them.
>>74923207
>Free money always leads to inflation.
>How many societies have tried to print money.
You seem to think we are printing money under a basic income; that is not the case. Money is being redistributed, not printed. There is no money creation, only a change in where the money goes.
>>74923506
>It's simple: we get rid of the idea of money.
The irony of course is that it literally isn't worth the paper it's printed on.
>>74923738
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Jm_eUQSYAk
>>74923233
How does voting do anything about the government taking money from you?
It's nonsensical to throw hysterics over people getting money from the government, yet you do nothing when its the government taking the money from you in the first place.
>>74923666
I do work nigga; I'm just telling you what is coming.
Socialism is inevitable as Marx predicted. The countries which don't go full commie/marxist will go national socialist. But we're definitely headed for collectivization/nationalization.
>>74923713
The trucks that I've looked at from Freightliner and I don't know who else maybe Peterbuilt has one, all they did was use cameras to stay within the white lines on a long, straight stretch of highway in clear weather.
I'm not even a programmer but do you realize the insane amount of complexity you throw in when you combine mountain driving or rush hour city driving with that? It's insane. There may come a day where they do most of the freeway driving(as in stay between two white lines) but it's decades away before they do anything that actually requires AI to drive.
When that day comes there will still be a human driver in the seat. That's like 50 years off though.
>>74923523
Except the NEETs are right.
>>74923403
wew lad slow down there some of use like using something other than notepad
i would love to see a side by side comparison of your expert notepad skillz and a fucking punjab in india using the latest ide. guarantee shitpoo has less errors than you - you fucking faggot
>>74923879
But you're not doing anything because this is a pipe dream.
Automation already peaked, chink and wetback slaves are cheaper than the machines anon.
>>74923879
Your giving people money for nothing. This has been tried.
>>74923675
>die of overpopulation
I don't think you understand how overpopulation works.
If humanity gets too high a population to be sustainable then some will die off.
You don't just reach 80 billion and then the human race all dies because of some arbritrary line.
And the only ones increasing the population at any dangerous rate are Africans and Arabs.
And global warming isn't killing many people at all. Even if the glaciers do melt, it sucks, but that just means people move inland.
>>74917456
This is bad how? Should we like the idea of a society where nobody has to work?
>>74923191
>Especially back when you had to plug everything in via punchcard.
Fuck me. Let's go back to punch cards and phone operators directly connecting phone calls because it will create more jobs. Let's abolish the wheel so people will have to carry shit on their back and create more jobs. We can still use horses but not the wheel as we still need jobs in the equine industry.
Every fucking generation.
And you get to exist
>>74923403
>Are the epitome of sloppy unoptimised programming which oftens leads to unwieldy software which requires heavy manual refactoring.
Which is nothing more than a baseless assertion on your part.
But no, I'm sure the future of software development is in fucking notepad. No wait, that's awful, we should write it out on paper and then have someone transcribe it to a computer using a voltage interrupt button and a lookup table that allows them to translate the written characters they see into binary. Much more efficient than an IDE.
What tripe.
>>74923835
No, whether someone is taxed or not largely has no influence on wealth creation.
Even 100% tax - that is, effectively, slavery, has been used to create wealth.
>>74918480
Well we pay ~$7000/Citizen in Federal Taxes, so if we gave everyone $500 a month we'd be at a surplus and the economy would work much more efficiently as much of that money gets spent.
That being said, basic income would cover maybe food costs & some necessities. People would start living like NEETs inside of trailers and cut off from society, bringing federal income down.
We would need to raise corporate taxes and most of the income would go back into the economy after it is distributed, which is much more efficient than the system today.
>>74924052
Or Humans become human hunters and a new species is born that eats humans.
Yes the first 10 generations will feel they negative effects of cannibalism but traits that minimize those effects will be selected and soon a super man eating predator will be born to cull the over population
>>74924185
The luddite fallacy argument fails in 2016 because when the physical labour jobs were being automated we still had mental labor jobs to compensate for the jobs lost.
What is happening is that the mental labour jobs (most white collar work) which humans do is now being automated. Basically humans are becoming useless.
I install, service, and repair optical sorting equipment used to remove defects from product. We can do just about anything smaller than a grapefruit.
My region is from Ohio up to Canada, over to Maine, and down to Maryland. I have 500 or so machines in total that I manage. I also handle all east coast jobs with our smaller pharmaceutical line, which is another 50 or so up the coast.
Occasionally I do international jobs, particularly if they need help on the type of product I do the most of, potato chips. I have become the default chip guy due to my region.
If you have chips from the US from a major company, and some of the smaller ones, it has probably passed through one of our machines. There is also another 50% chance that it was my particular program that passed or failed it.
In 4 years I have probably gotten several thousand barely educated immigrants fired. I don't replace good jobs. I replace arduous repetitive labor that makes people crippled or damages their eyesight.
And I can do a much better job at a higher speed. It's really not even a comparison. My cameras and lasers never get tired. They never get sick. They don't talk while they work, and they don't make their own decisions about what Is good and bad. It either had X amount of pixels that are bad or it doesn't. It doesn't make sense to have humans do this job anymore. We only need one now, to stand there and do a final QA check, because we can be close to perfect, but it will never be perfect.
I saw the writing on the wall years ago. When I was getting out of the military i gave very specific requirements to the headhunter I signed up with. I wanted to be the guy replacing people with expensive robots, didn't matter what kind. These things cost so much, at a minimum I'm going back for a decade to service the thing and keep it going.
It's a good job. The travel is a good perk and I see my boss once a year, maybe less. I do what I want, when I want, and how want. So
>>74923506
There is nothing inherently wrong with the idea of money.
It's fiat/paper money controlled by the jews in central banks that is the problem.
Money should be left in the hands of the market.
>>74924050
People are being given money so they can spend it on goods and services.
It's not for nothing.
And you're correct that it's been tried before, and it's been successful in all the tests done. The largest complains about these tests being that they weren't completely isolated from the economy at large, but it's still evidence in favor of basic income, not against.
>>74923838
>No one blames the train when someone is dumb enough to get squished
Yeah, and they have distinct tracks.
If someone passes out on the sidewalk and gets injured then that company has a serious lawsuit.
And shitty machines get jammed all the time.
It simply isn't cost effective to replace the human for that job, even if it was possible.
>>74924039
>chink and wetback slaves are cheaper than the machines anon.
On the short term, but long term machines are cheaper. Chinks get more expensive every day while machines get cheaper.
>>74923917
We've been collecting shiny rocks and shells for thousands of years and giving value to them. Let's change this. While we're at it, let's stop this oxygen dependence
>>74922713
You left out the unneeded pensions.
>>74922933
>We help each other out in modern civilization we don't let other people who've been disadvantaged to suffer, sorry that may not bode well with you since you are a greedy individualistic fuck head but that's too bad.
You can be individualistic and still care about others for personal needs.
Otherwise we're all doomed.
>>74924438
This is not the first time that people have had the brilliant idea to just give people money.
Money is a note that says you did an amount of productive labor or manufacturing equivalent to this note. If you don't do that labor ect.. the money isn't real
>>74924185
I was criticizing someone else's argument m8, not making that argument.
>>74924319
I'd argue that the largest danger is from moving the taxbase to the corporation instead of the individual due to the inherent 'taxation without representation' - but corporations basically rule government already.
>>74924615
>If you don't do that labor ect.. the money isn't real
No money is real my friend.
But what that welfare recipient buys is just as real as what the engineer does.
>>74921132
That machine also has issues on curvy areas.
Construction will never be done without human manpower.
>>74924615
I already told you it's not, but that the previous attempts at basic income have all been successful.
You are trying to imply that basic income is equivalent to printing money, but that is not at all what basic income is. I already told you that basic income isn't practiced by simply printing money; it doesn't work that way.
>>74924791
>Construction will never be done without human manpower.
Why not?
Just become a lawyer /maybe doctor
>>74923141
>Show me the automated semi that can navigate traffic in Chicago in rush hour.
They wont go far off the interstates at first. Later all traffic in Chicago will be automated and they won have a problem then.
>Show me one that can climb donner pass in a snow storm and safely make it down the other side while avoiding other traffic
You do know that they regularly shut down these roads to even human drivers in unsafe conditions.
>Show me one that will know what to do when the first warehouse says they don't know when your load was supposed to get delivered, or if there's an empty trailer at the next warehouse to drop and hook with.
The warehouse will be automated too so there wont be such stupid fuckups.
>What happens when these trucks break down? 80,000lbs is just going to stop in the middle of the street in fucking Chicago?
An automated toe truck shows up.
>>74924806
No they havent....they have been subsidized small experiments...The experiment is the labor this is different.
This is zimbabwe economics.
>>74924621
Sorry m8. Triggered by these NEET anti-tech fucks trying to justify leeching off the rest of us because (((((one day)))) machines and robots will do everything. They don't know what it is to do something you fucking despise to survive.
