Are there any objective arguments against transgenderism? Shouldn't people be able to do whatever they want to their own bodies? Being against the rights of transgender people is being against freedom in general.
>>74895732
They're mentally ill and need to seek help
Thank god that kid got braces
>>74895732
Are there any objective arguments aginst translionism? Shouldbt people be able to do whatever they want to their own bodies? Being against the rights of cat-people is being against freedom in general.
>Shouldn't people be able to do whatever they want to their own bodies?
Sure, people take tattoos, breast implants and testosterone for bodybuilding as well. Just don't promote that "lifestyle" to children or expect any special treatment such as being seen as a real female.
>>74895732
Transgenders are mentally ill and need psychological or psychiatric help. Do you encourage a suicidal person to kill themselves because it's what they want?
>>74895732
This is child abuse and child sexual exploitation.
>>74895998
I don't care about what adults do to their bodies but when children transition early, being put on puberty blocking hormones sterilizes their bodies.
>>74896044
>Do you encourage a suicidal person to kill themselves because it's what they want?
It's seen as one method if all the other options don't work.
>>74895922
There are none
>>74895732
because feelings don't make you something different and God doesn't make mistakes
Test
>>74896130
Why is it at all sexual exploitation?
>>74896429
Actually, ther are species with up to 5 sexes
>>74895732
There are two people that end up wanting to become a girl.
People that envy their treatment, who essentially just like being babied and cherished. They ultimately just want to weasel out of having to man the fuck up so they don't have to stop being pussies.
And there are people that have confused lust with envy and are using it as a means to accomplish their sexual fetishes.
Often, both are combined.
I don't hate them, I just pity them.
>>74895732
Children do not have the mental capacity to make a decision like this, as they do not fully understand how much this will affect their life. Any encouragement from the parents should be considered as child abuse
>>74895732
What's the story with this kid? Were the parents executed, yet?
>>74896295
what the fuck belgium
>>74895732
I agree.
Are you guys telling me you would UNIRONICALLY turn down this girl becasuse she has a feminine penis? Get fucking real.
>>74896492
Testing what?
Whether or not someone will knee-jerk call you a cuck or a fag considering that flag?
You are a cuck. Fag.
Congrats.
>>74896867
>His president is LITERALLY black
>His country is less white than almost every European country
>His citizens are niggers who loot and burn down entire cities
>>74895732
1. Children are incapable of comprehending the consequences and so cannon meaningfully consent to it.
2. Free to do it? Sure. Not on my tax dollars. Nor do they have any grounds to demand that I humor their delusions. Their mental illness is indistinguishable from BIID and should be treated as such.
>>74896860
fuck off reddit
>>74896831
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCRpuTRA7-g
>>74895732
No, no objective arguments. In fact, the medical communities considers hormones and social transition to be the proper treatment. /pol/ just needs something to be edgy about, and since they lost the war on gay marriage and are losing the war against trans rights, TRANNY TRANNY TRANNY has become the new NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER.
>>74895732
I agree that adults should be able to do what they want to their bodies, but when youre allowing children to chemically mutilate their bodies, youre not only turning a generation into a freak show, youre opening up the door for children being able to decide who/what they fuck.
>>74897457
No shit.
/pol/ is a bunch of retarded edgy NEETs
Trans girls are beautiful and pure
>>74895732
>>74897556
t. delusional tranny
Trans gender girls are perfect
>>74897611
t. Virgin NEET
this is the parents going crazy, at that age all I wanted to do was play super Mario, nowadays if a kid plays Mario as Peach/Rosalina his liberal mom will put a skirt on him and call him a beautiful girl
trans women are beautiful
>>74897491
Why is that a bad thing? Children should be able to decide sexual partners.
>>74895732
>shouldn't I have the right to cut off my own limbs if I want to?
the answer: no, they need serious mental help
>>74897283
FUCKING
This thread is a disguised pedophile excuse to post this pic?
>>74897683
Dude hands
>>74897648
>>74897556
Manly face
Shouldn't property owners be able to do as they wish with their own bathrooms?
>>74896860
>Are you guys telling me you would UNIRONICALLY turn down this girl becasuse she has a feminine penis?
Yes because the masculine facial features, adams apple and manhands it is desperately trying to hide are dead giveaways. Threadly reminder that there is no such thing as chicks with dicks, only guys with tits.
3/10 for getting me to reply.
>>74897683
They're not women.
You're gay.
>>74897556
Cute!
>>74897206
...which is why they don't get HRT until and unless they've consistently displayed gender dysphoria up to age 16. Prior to that, hormone blockers are used. If the child no longer suffers gender dysphoria, they stop taking them and undergo a normal puberty. Educate yourself.
>>74895732
If you actually CARE about the mentally ill, you'll dissuade them from this bullshit instead of encouraging it. Oddly enough, it's the left that doesn't care about trannies.
>>74895732
it's just stupid to think that you can alter your physical body type, so much that you can change your gender. this is literally retarded. nothing can ever be done to change what you were born with.
>>74897611
>current year
>still chasing natty """""women"""""
Stay cucked betabux
>>74896860
>that horse face
you have shit taste in "women"
>>74897648
Just think, you could have your dick buried in her ass while you stroked her hard cock.
>>74897024
>Leaf thinks he can laugh at another country
I don't need to even engage someone from your nation, if your entire country was deleted off the face of the Earth nothing would change.
I dont give a fuck
and this is the only correct attitude concerning this topic
>>74896156
>sterilizes their bodies.
I see nothing wrong with this.
>>74895732
>Shouldn't people be able to do whatever they want to their own bodies?
No.
>>74895732
10/10 would bang.
>>74898298
Except that you're making your child to lose ability to have children because you followed a fad.
It's completely different level of phase than your son getting boyfriend or your daughter dyeing her hair pink.
>>74898226
Aren't you special Fritz; you've shown everybody your above the fray by not forming your own opinion.
I wish the Red Army raped your country more thoroughly.
>>74896044
>Do you encourage a suicidal person to kill themselves because it's what they want?
Apparently.
The suicide rate among post-op trannies is astronomical.
Encouraging these sick people to attempt to change reality to conform to their delusions is not a way to help them.
They're mentally ill and they need psychiatric care. Not genital mutilation surgery.
It is a mental illness thay needs treatment.
It does not need to be celebrated. When it is celebrated people will avoid seeking mental health services. TheY will do this because treatment will rob them of their newly elevated status.
>>74895732
They should be able to do what they want. But in the same way that depressed people should seek help before killing themselves, transsexuals should be able to get help so that they don't chop their dick off.
>>74898474
Parents are retarded for allowing this and their child is retarded for wanting it. Now their bloodline is gone and we won't have to worry about them spreading their seed anywhere. Again, nothing wrong with that.
>>74895732
Harm principal is shit. Individuals' personal actions are not isolated from society.
>>74895732
>Being against the rights of transgender people is being against freedom in general.
>current year
>still having an infantile fascination with fictitious concepts like freedumb
What's this about transgender children here...
>>74898610
Yeah, children are retarded. They can follow dumb phases. That's why we don't allow them to vote or buy alcohol either. It's up to their parents to set limits, not encourage it. I wanted to be a wolf when I was a kid, my mother treated it as what it is: imagination play.
>>74895732
>yfw trannys are a non issue
>yfw they turned it into an issue
>yfw they can turn anything into an issue now
>yfw anyone can become special snowflake status for special treatment
If goodwill, benefit of the doubt, etc. are taken advantage of then people will not trust the ones who request these things anymore.
Slippery slope is moot as trannyism has always been a FRINGE, OBSCURE, INSIGNIFICANT group of MENTALLY ILL people.
Mental Illness. All you faggots saying "omg let them do what they want" sure, fine, cut your dick off, just don't expect me to change laws for your psychotic ass or hire you. Fucking degenerate rats.
The LBGT community needs to die off and be incinerated after.
>>74897789
Boing!
>>74895732
Honestly, I think it's fine. I won't date or fuck a transgendered person (which according to tumblr makes me transphobic but whatever) but I don't have a problem with transgendered people getting elective surgery, any more than I have a problem with anyone else getting cosmetic surgery.
HOWEVER - I do not think you should allow people under 16 to do irreversible changes to themselves. Delaying puberty is okay (though even that can cause issues), but fucking up your hormones and having major surgeries at such a young age is recipe for disaster.
>>74895732
>flag
>>74895732
I don't have a problem with an adult, clinically diagnosed by a mental health professional as suffering from a gender identity disorder but being otherwise of sound mind, being able to seek treatment for their condition up to and including transitioning with proper guidance and supervision.
I do have a problem with vulnerable confused teenager or a fucking child being indoctrinated to believe this about themself and act in the same way, as though having a serious mental condition was in any way something normal or even to be blatantly encouraged.
>>74895732
>Are there any objective arguments against transgenderism?
It is a desire to self-mutilate. You might as well if there are any objective arguments against slitting your wrists.
>>74898512
Whats the suicide rate amongst people with gender dysphoria who don't transition?
you can't be a libertarian and against transgenders at the same time
>>74897818
>>74897838
>>74898098
>>74899170
THERE IS LITERALLY NOTHING GAY ABOUT LIKING TRANS GENDER WOMEN.
>Background: Gynandromorphophilia (GAMP) is sexual interest in gynandromorphs (GAMs; colloquially, shemales). GAMs possess a combination of male and female physical characteristics. Thus, GAMP presents a challenge to conventional understandings of sexual orientation as sexual attraction to the male v. female form. Speculation about GAMP men has included the ideas that they are homosexual, heterosexual, or especially, bisexual.
>Method: We compared genital and subjective sexual arousal patterns of GAMP men with those of heterosexual and homosexual men. We also compared these groups on their self-ratings of sexual orientation and sexual interests.
>Results: GAMP men had arousal patterns similar to those of heterosexual men and different from those of homosexual men. However, compared to heterosexual men, GAMP men were relatively more aroused by GAM erotic stimuli than by female erotic stimuli. GAMP men also scored higher than both heterosexual and homosexual men on a measure of autogynephilia.
>Conclusions: Results provide clear evidence that GAMP men are not homosexual. They also indicate that GAMP men are especially likely to eroticize the idea of being a woman.
http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=10186609
>>74898829
How does a person's gender identity make them any less competent of a worker? Why would you discriminate based on something like that?
>>74898485
allright let me tell you about my opinion
if my daughter (i have one actually) tells me she doesnt really feel like a female I tell her
"allright cutie take your time untill you are 18 and lets see if you still think like that"
>What this world don't need.
> LBGT
>Niggers
>Christians
>Muslims
>Jews
>Weeaboos
>Feminist
>Capitalism
>Hipsters
>>74896295
>suicidal thoughts? ah yes, perfectly normal. if you wish, we can expedite the process as is normal procedure :^)
>>74895732
Faggots are disgusting and mentally ill. It's too bad you're not allowed to correct degeneracy anymore.
>>74898573
I don't think there is any "help" for these people. It's just a disney fantasy that everyone can be "helped".
They are FUBAR
>>74899283
I don't give a shit.
If it looks good and makes my dick get hard, I'll fuck it.
TRANSGENDER WOMEN DID NOTHING WRONG
THEY'RE BEAUTIFUL AND PURE
DAILY REMINDER ONLY BUTTBLASTED STORMFAG VIRGINS DON'T LIKE QT TRANS GIRLS!
>>74898667
Everything's fine here, sir.
>>74899283
>K. J. Hsua1 c1, A. M. Rosenthal a1, D. I. Miller a1 and J. M. Bailey a1
>A.M. Rosenthal
>Rosenthal
EVERY
FUCKING
TIME
>>74895732
When people start making their toddler-age kids take hormone treatments, that's when you know we have crossed Event Horizon
these are the endtimes
>>74899283
>>74896044
I am surprised at /pol/ being so concerned about the well-being of transgender people. Very admirable.
>>74898805
The Left meme-magicked trannies into existence.
What is the source of their power? Surely Lord Kek doesn't grant them similar blessings.
>>74899561
Sehr Gut. Now get back to roasting those Jews!
>>74899571
>If they're not from stormfag their research is invalid, I only accept research I deem valid which is done by people whose opinions collude with mine
Trans girls are cute, end of story. It's not gay.
>>74895732
I'd tear apart that boipussy desu senpai
>>74899577
A picture including a dress and makeup doesn't necessarily infer the use of sex hormones. No doctor would allow this given the presence of sex hormones stimulates the closing of bone growth plates.
Mental illness must be 2D only
>>74899181
Over 25%
Still a very high number.
They're sick and they need help however the left's notion that they're normal and we should accept them as they are is literally killing them.
No matter how you try to bend reality to suit the delusions of a sick person, that person will remain sick.
Whenever I hear about 'transgender rights' I immediately wonder why people are essentially encouraging suicide instead of advocating for the psychiatric treatment these people desperately need.
> tfw hypermasculine but got into trannies because 4chan
> tfw I spend 100€ on a tranny hooker instead of a normal one
> tfw sex was great
Trans girls are perfect.
I bet /pol/ would claim that they wouldn't date pic related, while secretly masturbating and frantically searching for more
Trans girls are perfect
Trannies are up to like 20x more likely to commit suicide even after getting the surgery to deal with their gender problem. It's clear that sex changes aren't helping and mental help should be increased for them.
>>74899755
Faggot and fag enabler.
>>74899720
/pol/ is concerned first and foremost with the well-being of their culture and people. Why does it surprise you that they hold empathy for individuals who are mentally ill and being encouraged to indulge in what is essentially a deadly mental illness that renders the individual sterile?
>>74899723
>What is the source of their power?
You know who it is. They've been practicing a dark form of meme magick for thousands of years.
>>74899755
>posting research with a paywall
>Shitposting this poorly
No matter how much makeup, plastic surgery, or homone therapy one uses, Y does not become X and male does not become female. Trannies ultimately pay thouands of dollars in mutilating their bodies to play pretend. No matter how much you rationalize it, a "trans """"girl""""" will always be a guy.
>>74899392
>Capitalism
You forgot economically illiterate people like yourself.
>>74900038
>/pol/ is concerned first and foremost with the well-being of their culture and people
Most of /pol/ is unemployed or working minimum wage jobs or close to minimum wage.
>>74896860
That THING? Leaf, if you ever set foot outside, you would know that isn't what a real girl looks like. But hey, whatever fucks your goat, man.
>>74899742
jawohl
>>74899986
Obscure and un-sourced statistical claims can be dismissed.
>>74895732
>Being against the rights of transgender people is being against freedom in general.
I think you're confusing what "rights" means. Constitutionally speaking, transgenders have precisely the same rights as any other person. Anything beyond that is special treatment and accomodation, not rights.
>>74895732
>>74897714
>>74898485
>>74899058
>>74900138
Is that supposed to have relevance to this conversation or do you just enjoy misdirection?
>>74900138
>You can't care about other people if you're poor
>>74899986
>Trannies are up to like 20x more likely to commit suicide even after getting the surgery to deal with their gender problem
Yeah I'm going to need a source on that.
The only way to treat gender dysphoria is by allowing them to transition.
>>74900256
It's funny that people on this board "care about muh society and muh culture" while most are the degenerates they despise and are for the most part Niggers who leech off their parents instead of welfare.
>>74899975
Here's a pic of a smoking hot trans girl that recently got an arrest warrent for being suspected of setting fire to a sex reassignment clinic.
http://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/woman-from-bc-sought-as-suspect-in-arson-fire-at-montreal-clinic
>>74895732
Dude, If you seriously feel the need to dress up as a girl/women/whatever, do it.
Do NOT expect me to accept it as 'normal', it's not.
Do NOT expect any 'special' treatment for you from me, it will never happen.
Do NOT expect me at your funeral when you commit suicide, because becoming the girl/women you always thought you were was simply another glimpse into your mental illness.
>>74899283
If you fuck something with a penis or have thoughts about fucking something with one- then you're gay. How hard is that to understand?
>>74900364
Misdirection it is.
>>74900364
>actually being serious
>>74900364
The attempted suicide rate among "nonbinary" people is FOURTY percent
Do you have any evidence that transitional surgery reduces this?
>>74900432
>If you fuck something with a penis or have thoughts about fucking something with one- then you're gay. How hard is that to understand?
It would appear that scientists seem to have different thoughts.
They're probably just Jews who are lying, right?
>>74900407
Cherrypicking.
>>74900538
>The attempted suicide rate among "nonbinary" people is FOURTY percent
>Do you have any evidence that transitional surgery reduces this?
Source?
>The attempted suicide rate of stormfront is 90%! do you have any evidence white nationalism reduces this?
>>74900407
Oh my fucking god who the hell is she!!!!?!?!?! She's fucking sexy as fuck she is my new waifu!
>>74900646
>scientists
moar liberal meme magick detected
What you call a scientist, I call a leaching parasitic manipulative jew infesting our academic system
>>74900646
>actually being serious
>>74900646
>Source?
http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/AFSP-Williams-Suicide-Report-Final.pdf
>>74900744
>What you call a scientist, I call a leaching parasitic manipulative jew infesting our academic system
Yeah, I too only trust the intelligent and enlightened posters of /pol/ for all my worldviews and opinions.
Everyone else is just Jews XD
>>74900646
>Trying to delude yourself this hard
Look, I don't care if you like men with tits. At least admit to yourself that you are a faggot
>>74895732
>implying legislation, politics and culture are simply "doing whatever they want to their own body's", and have no effect on me, my peers and future generations.
The State focuses their efforts on the groups with the highest incidence of narcissistic personality disorder. They understand via game theory that these groups are the easiest to manipulate.
Transgenderism and homosexuality should have no representation so out of proportion to their population as they have now. They know this, but they are selfish narcissists, and fairness and ethics are not familiar to them.
>>74900646
>Cherrypicking
You mean exactly what you're doing.
>>74900847
>actually being serious
Still cant believe this.
What biological purpose does it serve?
>>74901081
Stop using this shitty "argument"
>>74900847
>yfw my jewish progressive cuck professor told me there is no such thing as race in my required social "science" course
>>74895732
>Are there any objective arguments against transgenderism?
Mental illness
>Shouldn't people be able to do whatever they want to their own bodies?
Yep, but not to laws of the majority and to my taxes in order to fund their fetish.
>Being against the rights of transgender people is being against freedom in general.
They have same rights as me, go cry into saudi arabia or some other shithole.
>>74896611
Because his parents dress him up as a pretty girl and guys want to fuck him. If you don't think transgenderism isn't about sex you need to wake the fuck up.
>>74899392
>Capitalism
Almost had it.
>>74895732
Actually becoming a tranny that young is better.
Else they turn into those middle aged balding men with lipstick.
They should help them trannies do their tranny shit as soon as possible instead of filling this world with insane tumblr tier crazy men wanting people to say they are beautiful women when they aren't worth even a dicking while you're wasted.
Also 2D traps > 3D traps.
>>74901421
He's cute of course guys want him.
>>74900364
>The only way to treat gender dysphoria is by allowing them to transition.
That's bullshit though. With any mental illness, pandering to the symptoms of the illness (depression, paranoia, etc) is the exact opposite of what you need to do to manage and treat it.
The problem is, even if a transgender has hormone replacement therapy and sexual reassignment surgery in order to transition, they may look and sound like the gender they wish to be, but they will never actually be that gender - they'll never have properly functioning genitals, and even to continue looking like their chosen gender they have to carry on with HRT as long as they live because they lack the biology to produce these hormones naturally. They know this themselves and it sticks with them in the back of their mind like an itch that can't be scratched. Furthermore, if their gender dysphoria fades over time, they're left with a body they no longer want and they're unable to fully revert the hormone treatment or the surgery.
>>74901218
>implying race isn't a spook
>>74895732
Are there any objective arguments against cutting? Shouldn't people be able to do whatever they want to their own bodies? Being against the rights of cutters is being against freedom in general.
That's how dumb you sound
>>74901355
You vaguely use the term "mental illness" as if it a sufficient argument. Yes, gender dysphoria is a mental illness, nobody of consequence is denying this, there are many forms of evidence suggesting that gender transition is the correct treatment.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2265.2009.03625.x/abstract
>They have the same rights as me
Except you don't have to deal with gender dysphoria in the same way that trans people do. Would you be opposed to people with any other disease not receiving adequate treatment simply because it is a treatment that you personally don't require?
>>74901081
To be the most flamming faggot under the sun like OP
>>74901156
How about you refute it fucc boi
oh wait, you can't LMAO
I think transgenderism is for lazy fucks.
There is a saying: women are human beings, men are human doings.
You have to actually accomplish something to get attention as a man.
A woman get attention for just being a woman.
This is the reason Bruce Jenner went trans. He saw all they money the Kardashians were taking in for essentially just breathing and he wanted in on that action.
Trannies are just lazy men who don't want to devote the discipline and time it takes to be accomplished. And thus worthy of praise and attention.
>>74900646
If all trannies looked like that, trust me, nobody would have a problem with them. but reality is different.
99% of trannies are just ugly men in wigs
>>74903072
Just look at how stunning she is
If you aren't attracted to this you're a bigot
>>74902012
>gender transition is the correct treatment
That's nice and dandy but we lack technology to switch genders, we have technology to mutilate, not change.
>Except you don't have to deal with gender dysphoria in the same way that trans people do.
I have my own problems yet I don't demand laws and society to cater to them.
>Would you be opposed to people with any other disease not receiving adequate treatment simply because it is a treatment that you personally don't require?
Encouraging mental illness is not treatment, year in boot camp would cure 90% of trannies.
>>74895732
I wouldn't encourage an anorexic
and I wouldn't encourage a transvestite
>>74895732
Primum non nocere
Transgenderism is a mental illness.
Doctors performing surgery and prescribing hormone pills are going to be liable for malpractice.
You wouldn't perform liposuction on an anorexic patient.
Literally the same difference. It's a fact that transgenderism is a mental disorder and it is not open for reasonable debate. There is no objective reason it was every removed from any medical journal as being a disorder except that it hurt liberal feelings.
Liberals put their feelings before your children. Remember that next time your son winds up in the emergency room because public schools told him he could be a girl.
>Durr but it doesn't affect you
Yes it does. That argument is cancer.
>>74895732
Imagine you are a delusional schizophrenic and you go to a doctor. He tells you that everything you see is real, and you should indulge your delusions instead of treating them. He sends you on your way and you lock yourself in your house because you think Aliens are after you, you cut off your ears because you think they're FBI monitoring devices tracking your every thought, you start dosing yourself with bleach to cleanse the nanomachines from your body, and you suffer great emotional and physical pain as a result of your untreated mental illness.
Does this sound okay to you? If it is not okay for the schizophrenic, why is it okay for the person with sexual dymorphism?
YOU CAN NEVER CHANGE YOUR GENETICS, IF YOU BELIEVE YOU ARE A WOMAN, IT MEANS NOTHING IF YOU HAVE XY CHROMOSOMES, YOU ARE MENTALLY FUCKING ILL AND NEED HELP, NOT ENCOURAGEMENT.
>>74895922
I'm with you Holland. If that's really how someone feels they must live their life I can respect that, but I dont respect anyone that wants to steal money from me then use it to try to brainwash my kid into being that way even if he is NOT actually pulled that way naturally, which seems to be their game plan.
>>74903550
Well that person believes there are aliens and that he's a person with no ears.
So he is just matching his outsides with what he FEELS on the inside.
Can't you see this? Why are you so bigoted against people who are schizophrenic and believe in aliens?
>>74899291
>how would someone who used to be a man but choose to become the lesser gender be worse at anything.
not only would ''''''he''''' be a bad man, but wold choose to be the lesser gender.
>>74899283
And that's obviously correct, as far as it goes.
Traps are designed to trap straight men, not gay men, and that much is obvious.
Falling for an illusion specifically designed to trap straight men is obviously not evidence you are gay, that would make no sense.
HOWEVER, and here's where it gets difficult, most straight men are not going to react well when the illusion is shattered by the appearance of an anomalous body part. At that point you have just SEVERELY fucked with this guys own gender identity. He's probably gonna be mad - he might even be so mad he just sees red and starts swinging. I'm not excusing violence, but pointing out that it's forseeable. A transexual of all people should appreciate the need to treat anothers gender identity with respect.
I heard their voice will never sound proper. So that could be an objective argumen
>>74896044
>>74896295
>I should let unhappy people that don't fit into society stay unhappy just because I can't imagine suicide being an actual solution
Wow, that's really sad. Considering I'm on the outcast of the internet.
>>74900646
>cherrypicking
Most trannies look like cross-dressing men. Stop trying to validate yourself as straight. Keep you're degenerate lifestyle to yourself, because you're really not fooling anyone here. You're lying to yourself, much like how trannies lie to themselves about being a gender that their not.
Faggots like you just prove how much our country is going down the gutter
50% of them suicide until 30s
>>74896622
and we arent one of this species
