According to atheists, God isn't real because there's no sensory evidence for it. However, atheists believe that 95% of the universe's total mass consists of Dark Matter, an invisible, intangible substance whose properties we do not yet understand.
In fact, according to atheists' logic, they must be mentally ill since most of the world's population evolved to believe in God.
Amen
>>74886209
That's not true. We don't believe in a god because there's not any sort of evidence for it, not just sensory.
>>74886297
According to atheists, we can't assume the sandcastle was built by an intelligent lifeform because we didn't witness it, so it must be the product of a long spontaneous and random process of chance that takes place over a time scale too long to observe.
>>74886209
we can measure the effects of dark matter, just not the matter itself, if it is matter at all.
Can't measure the effects of 'god'
>However, atheists believe that 95% of the universe's total mass consists of Dark Matter
Yes, every single atheist believes this.
On the other hand, every single Christian believes in unicorns.
>>74886709
Can you explain to me please why atheists are obsessed with masturbation? Like the Godwin's Law of atheism, when a discussion about atheism takes place, it is inevitable for someone to start talking about masturbation.
>>74886209
>according to atheists' logic, they must be mentally ill since most of the world's population evolved to believe in God.
What are you even saying here
Hopefully you don't think belief in God is an instinctual or biological thing
>>74886921
I hadn't noticed that, i'll keep an eye out in the future.
I'm more agnostic than athiest desu...really just wanted to point out that we can measure dark matter.
>>74887078
There hasn't been a culture that didn't evolve to believe in God. Even isolated island tribes evolved to believe in God independently of any potential outside influence.
>>74887297
I don't think we actually measure dark matter. We just assume it's there because the calculations for matter we have don't add up. So we inserted something that makes the formula work. Which is strikingly similar o the way religion works.
>>74886921
Because religious people use god to enforce control upon other people. Atheists have very little against your regular non interventionist deity, who created the universe and fucked off. There is however a problem when god is attributed qualities for which there is no evidence and then those attributes are used to tell everybody how to life, what to eat, how to dress, how to speak, when to work, how to feel, etc.
Suddenly, something, which we know nothing about apart from the fact that it might've (or not) created the world, has a list of things it wants you to do. And that list was written down by some hallucinating illiterate man in the middle of some desert with nobody around. Then suddenly there are many people like that throughout the history and a good amount of them were conceived by virgins. I could go on, but this never ends and just gets more ridiculous.
The point is, since we know nothing about god, we can't prescribe attributes to him/her/it/whatever, making it even pointless to think about.
>>74886209
dark matter is a placeholder for something you measure, is not expected and you cannot explain. Scientists are quite honest about that.
christ fags believe in comforting lies because they are too childish to face reality
>>74887505
we can measure the effect it has on the real matter around it.
Thats why its a problem for current science...we can see it having an effect on galaxys, yet there is nothing we can directly measure.
Science doesn't like that shit.
>>74887883
What god? The pantheistic one? A lot of religious scientists seem to believe in that one, which doesn't really look like a god.
>>74886209
>, intangible substance whose properties we do not yet understand.
False. We can measure its effects. The accelerated expansion of space has to be caused by a negative vacuum pressure.
>>74887781
So atheists are just Butthurt about morality.
>>74888244
Most morality is based in logical after accepting a simple set of axioms like the golden rule.
>>74886921
because to them, religion was their parents telling them not to masturbate. So they extrapolate this out to everything that is religion. It's their parents for not understanding theology and philosophy being able to teach it to their children and only focussing on the prohibitions of their religion. Religion is too complex for the average stupid person, so they have to dumb it down for the masses.
This is also why you get all these pseudointellectual atheists who think they are superior for being atheist. Religion to them was stupid because their parents are stupid. Like they are. These are the same people that don't understand the physics or science behind their "beliefs" and just like the peasant of bygone centuries need their Priest, I mean, scientist to dumb it down for them to understand.
>>74888244
The one thing all these atheist memes being posted have in common seems to be a preoccupation with anal sex and masturbation. It's pretty clear where the atheists' priorities lie.
>>74887935
whoever made this doesn't know about all those gay protestants desu
>>74888235
>the accelerated expansion of space
Athiesm is autistic, but Christianity is too zelous.
Agnostic is the wise choice.
>>74888244
Personally I'm butthurt about lying. Religion is a gigantic lie propagated in order to control the plebs. If everything it claimed was true, I'd have no problem with it.
>>74886209
>strawman
>the thread
>>74888609
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZQIM1C6xQw
>>74888609
It is observable.
>>74888337
>Most morality is based in logical after accepting a simple set of axioms like the golden rule.
Atheist mind experiments like the runaway train prove exactly the opposite of this "universal, logic-based morality" precisely because you are lead to a different conclusion of what is and is not moral arbitrarily from situation to situation. Pushing the fat man in front of the train is immoral, but redirecting the tracks towards him is a-ok. It shows the fallibility of human morality and the human mind's ability to justify away any terrible act.
>>74888200
I know you're trolling, but whenever anybody says shit like - 'what you believe all this happened by chance, do you know how small that chance is?', I just wanna say - 'yeah, you know how many planets/solar systems/galaxies this DIDN'T happen in?'
SOMEBODY wins the lottery every time its played. The probabilities are spot on, if they're even accurate, which they're not.
Fucks sake, religious faggots.
>>74888496
You don't get to define what is religion and what isn't, nor how it should be practiced, nor its meaning. In any debate, religion will be whatever is spread as canon by the church which owns it. Otherwise there's no point in arguing as you will just keep moving goalposts and hide behind fallacies.
>>74888705
pretty cool channel
>>74886209
Nobody evolved to believe in your god, you idiot. They're raised that way. Why do you think almost all niggers are Christians? Because they're superstitious subhumans, just like anyone who believes in wizards.
>>74887962
Today's science doesn't like it because it's becoming a perversion of what it should be. Science has always been there to uncover more questions not to provide answers except for certain cases. now you got idiots like Neil degrass and bill "the science guy" Nye preaching "science" as a religion.
>>74886209
The RCC, Russian Orthodox and most other Orthodox, as well as most all European Protestant churches both;
-Support the Big Bang Theory and cosmological science (the former developed BY a Catholic priest)
-Support (and in the case of the Anglican Church, greatly welcomed) Darwin's works and their successors.
As well as the scientific method.
In fact, it was the Church was pushed the formation of empiricism, and empiricism was the reason for Galileo's run-in with the church; while Galileo's theories were mathematically valid, the budding academic society under the church could not accept them with evidence, and Galileo's rabble-rousing and mocking of the pope was distasteful reaction to their disapproval.
Don't confuse The Fundamentals, a for-profit collection of American essays over a hundred years old, the origin of modern Creationism and the "Judaeo-Christian values" meme for Christianity.
Don't fall for one of the oldest jewish tricks, in a literal book.
>>74887935
Dumb ass there's only 10 commandments.
>>74887432
Thats not even remotely accurate
>>74886209
I believe that Universe was not created, but always existed.
Atheist are mentally ill faggots though, you are right, I also find it funny when Atheist make fun of "sky daddy" and then they believe even more retarded theories with no proof like the parallel universes.
But this doesn't mean that worshiping rabbi Jezus is a good thing.
>>74889282
Do you even religion?
>>74886209
>According to atheists, God isn't real because there's no sensory evidence for it.
Wrong
>>74886209
>sensory evidence
>>74886209
Atheism is the most absurd worldview in existence
>>74886209
I'm not saying God doesn't exist, but you are basically using a God of the gaps argument.
You are basically insisting that the 95 percent of the universe that exists in dark matter conforms and adheres to your beliefs, and you have no proof of that.
>>74889369
Name one that didn't.
>>74888881
>Pushing the fat man in front of the train is immoral, but redirecting the tracks towards him is a-ok
Would the real moral choice then be to walk away completely and just not give a fuck?
>>74886209
they expect to be able to prove the existence of dark matter within the next 5 years. Source: my mate is researching it.
Fucking creationists. Next you'll be all over dark energy, then who knows. You'll never be satisfied, fucking luddites.
>>74887078
Isn't that one of decarte's arguments?
According to christians, God is real because some dehydrated desert kikes wrote a book about it thousands of years ago.
>>74889666
In the name of the father, and of the son, and the holy ghost, demon, I cast you out!
Wait why do i have a US flag? Don't fucking tar me with that brush. I'm British you bastards
>>74889938
>they expect to be able to prove the existence of god within the next 5 years. Source: my mate is researching it.
>>74887935
There are a lot of contextual problems here which is pretty apparent, but I'll bite. More than half of that list was old covenant that was fulfilled by Jesus' birth and death. What's left is really just us being degenerates. But you would know this if you actually cracked open a bible instead of getting info from memes.
>>74888987
tyson and nye are fucking pop-science tv personalities.
What is the downside of goofball guys like that being popular?
that kids and average people have access to science facts via a corny tvshow/podcast?
You just don't like that religion is becoming less popular as people get more exposure to a counter narrative based in irrefutable fact.
>>74888904
>Britain's existence is due to random events mashing together rocks
What a crock of shit.
>>74889989
We have faith in Jesus as God. If we held it as concrete and absolute knowledge then there'd be no point in our faith
>John 20:29
>>74886209
We know dark matter exists because of gravitational inconsitancies. I know people like you hate math, but it is mathematically proven that dark matter exists.
>>74890247
So you have faith in something that might as well not exist? Truly, there's no point in your faith.
>>74890143
Yeah I'm underselling it. He's part of the international research group involved in dark matter. He's positive about getting some big results in the next 5 years or so.
>>74890040
Good argument. I've been called many things on 4chan recently, I guess "demon" can be added to that list now.
When is OP going to reply to me seriously though?
>>74886545
>>74886297
>>74886209
Haha! Very true! Atheists are so idiot!
>>74886297
not an argument
Atheists are just full retarded there's no question about it. If you consider the size of the universe compared to what you as an individual are able to perceive there is no way you can make a definitive statement that there is no God, because you don't even know what God is and what form he is. I can understand not wanting to be part of an organized religion, but making the definitive statement that there is no God? That is, rather arrogantly, going full retard.
>>74890428
Art thou not the same as I
Whence cometh the evidence for your existence? Be it through thine senses or taketh it thou likewise as a matter of faith?
>>74890669
I think, therefore I am.
>>74890635
So, by your logic agnostics are superior to both religious people and atheists?
>>74890752
By that standard, am I to you?
(should I exist to you)
>>74890635
But making the definitive statement that a God is what caused all of this is what? Not arrogantly going full retard?
>>74890235
The Earth and the life on it are due to random events that set up a favorable ecosystem.
Britain is due to the conscious efforts of humans: sentient beings produced out of said ecosystem.
>>74890391
>mathematically
>proven
So was lumineferous aether.
>>74891063
How could we have conquered the world if we were not ordained by God?
>>74887883
>The guy who claims to be a scientist while he believes in The Secret tier bullshit aka DUDE LMAO I CAN CONTROL REALITY
Yes, his word weighs a lot
>>74891063
Define random
>>74890870
Proving the existence of yourself is different than proving the existence of an external being. Trying to justify the latter with the method of the former is foolishness.
>>74890221
I despise religion, it's a relic. However what I despise more is shills who pretend to science.
Science is what I believe in, not because I am stupid enough to think it will give me all the answers, but because I am smart enough to embrace the questions it uncovers.
You seem like you need to have an answer in order to be comfortable with life and maybe Reverend Tyson can give that to you. Funny though, that's exactly why religion exists.
>>74890861
No because both agnostics and atheists are amoral scum. Obviously.
>>74891155
Is this a serious question?
>>74890391
> people like you hate math
> read a wiki on dark matter once
top kek
>>74886209
Well, they also belive in circles so what else is new?
>>74890870
Does it matter? It is possible that you're a figment of my imagination. But it has nothing to do with the existence of God or gods.
>>74890610
What's happening in that picture?
>>74891299
The entire world was against us yet we won. It seems God is an Englishman.
>>74887935
>leviticus
We aren't fucking Levite priests you silly cuck how about you actually read the Bible instead of post euphoric memes in place of an argument
>>74886209
The cucks of pol will come up with any excuse to keep their Jew religion.
>>74891202
Then how could you justify my existence?
Why should you hold the existence of our minds to different standards?
And why would you say you are internal while I am external to you? Can you pinpoint where "you" are and where "I"?
>>74886297
Holy shit that is one of the most retarded arguments I have ever seen.
>>74886209
Yep. A few years back I changed my stance to agnostic.
"Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent"
Also
>yfw godel proved that paradoxes exist in our number system of which all empirical data operates
>>74886209
I laugh out everytime an Atheist's tells me that there is no purpose for anything and everything just suddenly appeared out of nowhere.
>>74891340
It has to do with whether you are willing to admit you are taking some matters purely or mainly on faith
This is the difference Christcuck. Scientists don't "believe in it", its a theory that is not true until proven to be so. Go and wash migrants feet you faggot.
>>74886209
>>74891729
>>74887432
And there hasn't been a culture that had science or landed on the Moon. Until now.
>>74891661
Ok. Let's say that I believed in something based purely on faith. How does that make the existence of God any more plausible? Two wrongs don't make a right.
>>74891721
You have no idea how scientists operate man. They're human and have pet theories regardless of their "official" stance. Their whole motivation is to be right, even when they're wrong.
>>74891729
Christians actually believe nothing made God, which is even more ridicolous. Why the universe couldn't have always existed but God can?
>>74891859
>Lands on the Moon
>Descends into amoral anarchy, to replace itself with Islam
>>74891214
who gives a fuck?
>I'm butt hurt because stupid normies think THOSE guys are smart, but they're not, I'M smart!
>I'm so smart i don't even need to debate the topic, my shitposting quality should speak for itself
Do you really think that the scientific community looks to those guys as pillars knowledge?
Let the plebs have thier infotainment and you can go back to being secretly smarter than everyone.
>>74891617
>A few years back I changed my stance to agnostic.
>thinking Agnosticism is a middle-man/mutually-exclusive
I would hope someone who's read Wittgenstein wouldn't make such errors.
>>74886209
We know that dark matter exists because we can visually observe it's impact on the visable universe via gravitational lensing. That we can literally see its impact is actual evidence of its existence, grouping, impact of mass and impact on space/time. We can literally see that it exists, even if we don't understand what IT is.
Compare this to your god, what objective, measurable evidence of his existence do you have?
>>74891959
>Why the universe couldn't have always existed but God can?
Because science has proven the universe hasn't always existed
>>74891908
Yeah, that's why we a have a peer review process in which their own competetors vet their work before it is considered true, and that the reqards for proving something false in science are generally higher than those of proving it true.
>>74891877
>Ok. Let's say that I believed in something based purely on faith. How does that make the existence of God any more plausible?
It makes believing in God more acceptable. It's an argument against Anti-Theism
>Two wrongs don't make a right.
This typically applies to ethical, not purely epistemological (knowledge) statements
>>74889652
poor bait but good try
>>74892102
>science has proven the universe hasn't always existed
No, it didn't.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/formerlyfundie/science-the-universe-has-always-existed-really-bad-news-for-young-earth-creationism/
>>74892301
What the fuck is patheos.org? Give me a real source.
>>74892271
I can prove it too. I'm talking mainly about the New Atheist worldview though
>>74886209
newton only said that cause he couldnt figure out why mercury hasnt crashed into the sun, he was too arrogant to admit he couldnt work it out afters years of working on it.
newton didnt know about neptune
>>74892045
Holy shit did logic just trigger you? Haha
You sound like an autistic man, if you can't handle some banter on a satire board you might be in the wrong place.
>>74886709
>Can't measure the effects of 'god'
Actually we can, I'll tell you how I measured.
>See supernatural events
>begin trying out religions
>start with eastern
>bad stuff happens, go away
>go bible as by the book as I can
>initially seems to be good, but suddenly things get very ugly and there seems like an invisible power is determined to take me for a fool with all kinds of contradictory miracles.
>Experiment with the bible try this and that
>all the whole time, as long as I followed the bible as it is as best as I could ,worse and worse things would happen to me
>It even happened to me that I was locked up in a mental hospital one morning I was playing videogames under false accusations, police and all.
>Did something very stupid, I even became violent with people arround me, could have even caused huge damage to other person, get interned in hospital again
>I pray to God that I don't know His law nor His true Christ and thus am liable not yet, as I haven't been given a law yet
>Instantly released
>for some reason if you do fucking nothing you are interned in a mental hospital for months but if you are violent towards people you get interned but inmediately released after such a prayer.
Looks like you lot can actually measure well since none of you had the balls to keep me in that mental hospital when God was quite surely not having any reasons to punish me like that.
Btw, Jesus is the antichrist.
>>74892446
He also said the same about the Moon. Didn't understand how he could keep it's relatively stable orbit being as small as it is.
>>74892185
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0370269314009381
>>74886209
>You can't prove that something doesn't exist that's why is reasonable to believe in something retarded like a 2000 old fiction book wrote by a bunch of drunk jews
Also there are also agnostics, I can't be sure that a God doesn't exist but I don't belive in Christian bullshit
>>74891185
Without method or conscious decision; without sentient guidance.
>>74891424
Did your God ordain the loss of your NA colony? Also China.
>>74891545
How can I justify that you exist? I perceive you with my senses.
How can I justify that you are a sentient being, that you think? I cannot, truly, and I do not need to. Whether or not you are a sentient being or just a well made organic machine, it is irrelevant.
I would split the internal and the external at the sensory level; what I perceive with my senses is the external, my consciousness (thought) is internal.
But why do I even need to justify that you exist in the first place?
>>74892488
I could literally post the exact same thing.
>>74892788
meant for >>74892403
>>74892935
Sounds like a bunch of mumbo jumbo horseshit
>>74892147
>competitors
Hehe, there's enough pork to go around for everyone you dimwitted useful idiot. What do you think the climate science industry is about? You think they really gib a shit about differential equations and chaos theory after they finish they climate "science" degrees? They want what they expected, a career.
>>74892996
>if I can't understand it it's bullshit
Typical of Christians. They had a hard time accepting that the Earth is round after all
>>74886209
>>>/b/
>>>/trash/
People already hate atheists. Why spread lies to make it worse?
>>74892847
Because I laid out an opinion and then you sperged out?
Go measure that dark matter you read about on Wikipedia and let us know your results bro haha.
>>74892996
and math is just scribbles and letters.
>>74893111
Accepting something I don't understand because some wop on the internet says it's legitimate is even more stupid than believing in Christianity.
>>74892806
>How can I justify that you exist? I perceive you with my senses.
When and how have you sensed me?
You mean empirical senses right? What do I look, taste and feel like then?
What do I sound like?
>How can I justify that you are a sentient being, that you think? I cannot, truly, and I do not need to.
Then why should I need to justify God to you?
>But why do I even need to justify that you exist in the first place?
Because I'm holding our existence to the same standard as God's and I'm logically arguing that it is
>>74893167
Don't pretend you understand it either you obese nerd
>>74893216
Ok buddy. Don't let me interfere with your kike worship.
>>74886209
atheists reject a priori logic, a priori
it's a stupid argument
>>74891380
Reverse Heimlich maneuver
>>74886297
Yeah and how can you be sure that it's the christian God and not maybe Allah, Zeus or some other divinity that just doesn't give a fuck about us?
>>74893111
>its complicated enough to make sense without really proving anything and provides feel good confirmation bias so I'll difer my critical thinking to a stranger and believe it!
Typical liberal, progressive, atheist thought process.
>>74893155
I sperged out?
do you ever come here?
you've taken this entirely too seriously
>>74886852
Unicorn is a rhinoceros with one horn. Then shits is real.
>>74886209
>most of the world's population evolved to believe in God.
Most of the world was tormented, punished, beaten and forced to believe in the god-de-jour. You forget the cruel and sadistic history of your irrational, made-up dogma.
Especially today, pedophilia is encouraged and protected by religious leaders of all stripes.
At least the sensible morals and ethics of atheists are real.
>>74893246
It is an assumption of mine that you are actually a human being. All I have verified is that there is something responding to me, as evidenced by the replies I have read and the consistent ID.
You could very well be a bot. I do not know, and I cannot verify further here.
>Then why should I need to justify God to you?
You don't. But that which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
>Because I'm holding our existence to the same standard as God's and I'm logically arguing that it is
Why would the same laws of man apply to your God?
Hey atheists, if the universe began with the big bang, how did life survive the explosion?
Hey atheists, if the universe is expanding, why doesn’t it take any longer to get anywhere?
Hey atheists, if evolution is fact then why is it just a theory?
Hey atheists, if the big bang happened billions of years ago, why is the Earth only 6000 years old?
Hey atheists, if there is no oxygen in space then how does the sun burn?
Hey atheists, if evolution is true, why are there still monkeys and apes?
Hey atheists, if evolution is true, why are there no walking fish?
Hey atheists, if God doesn’t exist then who wrote the bible?
Hey atheists, if nothing travels faster than light then how does God see everything at once?
>>74892102
No, actually science hasn't proven this at all. What it has observed is that the Universe has existed in several different phases (quantum singularity, inflation, etc.) with a pretty big phase change between these phases. We can't even properly quantify the state of the universe during inflation, let alone at the point of the big-bang and singularity.
Throw in that the underlying fabric of the universe, as described by superstring theory is 6 (or more, depending on variation) dimensions beyond our observable 4, on which many potential constructs could (and likely do) exist, such as other universes, and it's pretty hard to state that we have proved that the universe didn't exist at some point. All we can say with certainty is it didn't exist in it's current state.
>>74886209
>However, atheists believe that 95% of the universe's total mass consists of Dark Matter...
Well, there's sensory evidence of it...
>>74886209
According to Atheists god isn't real. Anything beyond what I just stated is purely your own personal assumptions. Nice try though!
>>74893660
Australia is going all out!
>How can Canada even compete?
>>74891380
A man holds onto his wife while his wife's boyfriend fucks her.
>>74886209
My only problem with some militant atheists is that they only seem to focused on criticizing Christianity but not other religions.
>>74893577
>sensible morals and ethics of atheists
>>74893661
I don't care what your kike "science" says about strings
>>74886209
Gonna take the bait
You can prove dark bodies exist because eventhough they absorb all the light and radiation (therefore you can't see it), the gravitational effect they have on other bodies can be observed
>>74893884
Yeah, sure they do.
>>74892510
>See supernatural events
>I can't explain what I saw scientifically because I'm a dumbshit therefore God derp
>>74893583
>You could very well be a bot. I do not know, and I cannot verify further here.
>And that which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
How do you feel about your worldview being perfectly consistent with effortlessly dismissing everyone's existence ITT
Does this sound reasonable? Or could it be too empirical?
>Why would the same laws of man apply to your God?
They're the laws of logic, that, be they, currently, wholly or partly known, I believe to be reducible to God and his absolute knowledge
So I believe it's the laws of God (the absolute rules of logic) applying to the existence of human minds, not the rules of man applying to God
>>74894099
>derp
gee I wonder what dark asscrack of the internet you hail from
>>74894099
>see a super natural event
>I don't know what I saw therefore it must have been magical and supernatural and beyond normal physics!
>no fuck off scientists it was GODLY
>>74891380
They are dancing the tango
>>74894182
I didn't dismiss anyone's existence. I just said I could tell whether or not you are a person or a bot on this platform.
>>74894458
couldn't*
you and everyone here*
>>74886209
Both are as retarded as one another.
>>74894458
>>74894514
>Therefore, one of them is God.
kek
>worshiping a dead kike on a stick
Christcucks everyone
>>74894458
>>74894514
Then why do you personally accept it?
>>74887935
>>74894707
Christfags are right; It doesn't make any fucking sense at all that the entire universe could come out of nothing
But what universal law says that everything have to make sense to humans?
>>74886209
On /x/, one day, a guy came and explained that God, was a metaphysical entity, as he could be an idea, a part of anything in the universe.
If atheists don't believe in god because we can't detect him in physical way, it means they acknowledge/assume that god, if he exists, would be a physical entity, detectable.
But how do they know?
Why can't god be a global network between all entities and objects across the universe, just like each of us was a single neuron in a universal brain?
They don't define the nature of God, they don't think enough.
Thomas Aquinas already tried to prove god's existence with some logic (atheists are logic, right?) is his "quinque viae".
Atheists, just like most believer are dumbsacks who just don't have the knowledge necessary for such questions. They all believe, they don't know, they don't understand.
>>74892426
Atheism+ was a mistake
>>74894728
It?
Are these threads for real or just a meme?
>>74894925
Huh, so I guess it makes sense that not everything has to make sense to humans. We cool now :)
Why is it that there exists no evidence for God's presence in the lives and attitudes of the people of the prehistoric era?
>>74894976
>quoting bicurious
>>74895005
The existence of people ITT
>>74894976
Nice meme dude where did you find it?
God is immeasurable and thus of little use to science, unless he's willing to hand all the answers on a piece of paper, which he doesn't.
Secondly there being a God is irrelevant information.
There being a God who made the universe and all its content doesn't answer the question how he did it and how it all works.
>>74891608
It's obviously a joke. If you can't see that them you are one of the most retarded humans I have ever seen.
>>74895123
It doesn't matter anyway
It'd be an Argument from Ignorance
>>74894976
God being able but not willing doesn't make Him malevolent
>>74886209
I simply refuse to subscribe to any form of religious doctrine or organization because God or no God it's pathetic to bow down to a higher authority
>>74886297
This is my favorite, Kek.
Since God must be greater and more complex than earth, you believe that something even more complex formed by chance.
Also, things aren't as complex as we think they are. Nature only looks like a complex pattern because it is what we derive our ideas of patterns from.
Last but not least, all possibilities occur in an infinite time loop.
>>74894253
>REDDIT :DDDDD
Not an argument
>>74893660
ATHEISTS BTFO!!!
>pic related is a Christian
how in the fuck?
>>74895339
He's not just benevolent. He's the perfect example of it. Inaction against or indifference to suffering is the reversal of that.
>>74886209
A F L
>>74895123
Because apparatnly, god is a total dick which allowed humans to die from easily treatable diseases, dental problems and childbirth for a couple hundred thousand years before deciding: "Well, now I'll send my son down there to die an awful death in some vague attempt to help a very select few of the people on the planet"
>>74894987
Atheists nowadays are as socially cancerous as Western Christians are becoming
>>74886209
>>74886297
>I do not understand self-assembling systems please rape my face
>>74895314
We've found extensive cave paintings, bone religious icons, graves, mountains of spearpoints and strange lumpy demale figures from ancient fertility cults, all kinds of stuff, but none of it contains the symbols or echos the stories that exist in the Bible.
If an interventionist biblical God existed, where was he during the overwhelming majority of human history? Why did he share his message with only a tiny number of people after hundreds of thousands of years of roaring silence and let it spread, chaotically and often violently, across the world over centuries, frequently mutating and changing by the whims of different denominations and sects?
>>74895716
*female
>>74895515
I don't need an argument.
I used to be atheist but now I'm a
#followerofchrist
>>74895716
Because God is chaos and/or evil.
>>74895519
>Jew
>>74895716
I first need to get you to accept He exists before we can argue about the details
You can't go from atheism to theism without going through deism. Some people just go quicker through the latter
>>74895267
is it obvious though? Apparently you've never met a fundamentalist.
>>74895909
That's not how they think
>>74894934
Atheists don't believe in a god in any shape or form. Your attempt to redefine god as something is like an argument straight from tumblr. If god were to be a universal brain containing everything, it would be known to atheists simply as the universe.
It wouldn't matter if it were thinking and being all godly, because if we are a part of it, everything it does is natural to us, and therefore simply the universe we live in.
If god was a distinct part of our universe, but didn't act in a personal way, we would simply know it as a law of nature.
So god would have to be a personal part of our universe. But there is absolutely zero evidence for such a god, so it is reasonable to be an atheist until we get evidence to the contrary.
>>74895909
>God or some magic shit exists beyond the visible shit and it means you can't feel it means that god really exists hurr durr
>>74895909
"If I dont have proof of it, im not going to say it definitely exists"
>>74886545
yes, that's correct
>>74896118
What would definite proof be to you?
>>74895716
Why should I give a shit about prehistoric cave niggers? Why should I care about any of this when it has nothing to do with me or how I live my life?
I don't have all the answers and neither do you, let me do my fucking thing and fuck off, I don't care about cosmology or anthropology, I care about my community, I care about my family and friends, I care about my country not being fucking garbage, which owes itself quite a lot to Christian morality.
>>74895909
i think you mean #colossalfaggot
>>74896283
I think it's not unreasonable to expect supernatural evidence for a supernatural entity.
>>74895166
Occam's razor + the fact that I'm here and know others who browse as well.
I don't know the distribution of humans to bots, but to be honest it doesn't matter to me. I come here to converse, and if my conversation partners are convincing bots, so be it.
>>74896354
And by definition the supernatural doesn't exist right?
>>74886209
>According to atheists
The only thing you can truly infer from that label "atheist" is that the person does not subscribe to a belief in the supernatural or "God" (whatever that is)
Every other trait or belief after that is down to the individual
>>74886209
>95% of the universe's total mass consists of Dark Matter, an invisible, intangible substance whose properties we do not yet understand
No, but it's presence can be inferred from gravitational effects on visible matter. We know it's there, we just can't see it.
>>74887078
>implying belief in a higher power is not to make up for the shocking relevation that life is about nothing at all
>implying that's not instinctual
>>74896426
Should I say with certain something exists if I have no evidence of it?
Of course not.
>>74895909
there is literally no reason to believe in a god. try harder, retard
>>74896283
For me to answer that question we would need to define god, and personally I think defining god by the abrahamic religions makes little to no sense seeing as many religions existed well before. For proof I would either need physical or documented which has been verified as being true. The bible doesnt really cut it imo.
>>74886209
and people complain about the american educational system
dark mater is just sub atomic particles in space in a low enough density per any volume to not block light reliably
it collides with itself at high velocities forming more complete matter and being broken like space is a gigantic super collider. this is dark energy
but this isnt whats responsible for the majority of the unseen mass. e=mc2. the unseen mass is energy needed to keep the electrons in orbit
and dark energy isnt driving the expansion of the universe its to minute. space itself is pouring out of space at every point every day
*teh moar yew noe
>>74886209
But according to science the universe did -not- just appear out of "nothing" as you put it
>>74896357
>Occam's razor
Why would you say this is valid?
>I know others who browse as well.
How do you know them?
>the fact that I'm here
How could I know you were here, by your standards of evidence and knowledge?
>I don't know the distribution of humans to bots, but to be honest it doesn't matter to me. I come here to converse, and if my conversation partners are convincing bots, so be it.
Fair enough. But why should you even have this doubt in your head
Just take it upon faith
>>74895967
"God" may well exist, I could see a Prime Mover being a thing, but its attributes and attitude could be utterly alien to me, and it may be an outgrowth of some truly mind-bending higher order of reality that even a cosmic being in our corner of the universe would struggle to understand.
I find your attitude amusing, you think you'll get your foot in the door and I'll forget about the rather damning truths I've just pointed out?
>>74896294
I never said you needed to. You may well be right that Christianity is a lie with useful secondary properties of social cohesion and pro-family values inculcation, but I don't buy into ideas just because they make me feel nice or make other people act nicer, I want to know what's actually true. If that's irrelevant to you, so be it, but it means a great deal to me.
>>74896866
source for this plox
>>74896544
What evidence do you have that your senses are correct?
>>74897045
Oh? You have some that they're not?
>Baby's first skepticism.
>>74896866
If space is expanding, why doesn\t the distance between planets become greater? According to theory, space is expanding faster than the speed of light. If this were true, our solar system would have been ripped apart a long time ago. In fact, if space was expanding in all directions, any gravitational forces would be negated and everything would just fly apart.
>>74896819
>For me to answer that question we would need to define god, and personally I think defining god by the abrahamic religions makes little to no sense seeing as many religions existed well before. For proof I would either need physical or documented which has been verified as being true. The bible doesnt really cut it imo.
The only thing I have is evidence for is that Jesus actually existed
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus#cite_note-5
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus#cite_note-7
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus#cite_note-9
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus#cite_note-11
Everything else I take on faith and completely
personally
The best I can do is suggest you take some time to carefully read the Gospel
>>74890635
>no way you can make a definitive statement that there is no God
>you don't even know what God is
You're correct, we don't know the unknowns. That's why it makes no sense to believe in that iron-age hoodoo.
>atheists believe that 95% of the universe's total mass consists of Dark Matter
False.
>>74897148
I just think they're not necessarily
And that there's no evidence that they are at al
>>74886209
>23 replies
Congratulations.
>>74897554
>So I'll believe something without evidence!
k
>My ability to perceive is unreliable.
>Therefore, God.
Not just your sensory input that's got problems, mate.
>>74886209
atheists are buttfuck STUPID.
I hate all you atheist assholes.
do you really think there is no primordial reason for everything in existence?? there are metaphysics but we just can't examine them because they are too far away.
does that mean god somehow doesn't exist? NO. it means we just don't know. and that's why atheism is for trashwhores and degenerates and commies and cucks. FUCK you.
>>74896900
Look, if you're trying to box me into saying that I'm taking some stuff on faith, I'll be forthright and tell you that I do: Faith in myself, my senses, and my reasoning ability.
>How could I know you were here, by your standards of evidence and knowledge?
Why should I give a fuck? I told you already that I'm not interested in justifying your existence.
>But why should you even have this doubt in your head
Because I can be wrong.
>>74896921
>"God" may well exist, I could see a Prime Mover being a thing, but its attributes and attitude could be utterly alien to me, and it may be an outgrowth of some truly mind-bending higher order of reality that even a cosmic being in our corner of the universe would struggle to understand.
This should be the same thing a rational Christian would say
But you're discussing what knowledge we could have
I'm thinking of whether there is worth in putting our faith in the Christian God, on top of it
>I find your attitude amusing, you think you'll get your foot in the door and I'll forget about the rather damning truths I've just pointed out?
In what way would they be damning?
>>74897781
>does that mean god somehow doesn't exist? NO. it means we just don't know
So what you're saying is, god doesn't not exist, but we don't know?
That's some sound reasoning there, son.
>>74897466
Clearly Jesus existed. And so did Muhammad, Joseph Smith, Siddartha Gautama, the Bab, etc, etc.
People died for Joseph Smith, swore oaths that they'd seen him reading golden plates in a hat using seer stones, and founded a massive, still existing community that upholds his ideals.
was joseph smith a prophet of god, and if not, how do you know that?
>>74898037
Let's also point out that all these infallible prophets usually get around to calling the other prophets wrong.
>>74895513
So I might be living this life unknowingly for the millionth time. Everything is exactly the same
>>74886209
So.
Quantum physics proves that consciousness can change matter.
No one knows why we have consciousness nor do we know where it is produced in the brain.
Which suggests that consciousness creates matter and not the other way around.
If xonsciousness is the fundamental property of the universe we might die physically but not in "a soul sense"
Why we go from soul to matter? No idea. Because it's fun..
A white person in a white room knowing everything and anything about colors without the experience if ever having seen a single one. Hence we go to physical form and fuck shit up.
>>74898037
>was joseph smith a prophet of god
no, he was a fraud. The mistake he made was existing in a time where news got around quicker than in the past.
>>74897716
Well you believe in empiricism, I believe in rationalism and Christianity
I take my worldview on faith. And you take yours
But the only difference is yours is, on top of being faith-based, self-refuting. While mine is axiomatic (just faith-based)
>>74898328
>Let me tell you what you believe!
All I've done is point out the flaws in your system.
>Yours is faith based and self-refuting!
You mean evolving and adaptive?
>Mine are axiomatic!
You mean circular.
>Tfw fedoras are too much of a coward to openly criticize Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, Sikhism, and every other religion.
>>74898481
All religions are irrational garbage, and any benefits derived from them have been rendered moot by changing circumstances they no longer fit in to.
>Here's your reply.
>>74897877
So you're not an (Anti-Theist Relativist/Nihilist/ Empiricist/ Scientistist/ Subjectivist) New Atheist?
>>74886209
>>74898037
Well you're gonna have to judge for yourself
Faith (as trust and loyalty) has little to nothing to do with knowledge
Materialism and atheism go together well.
>>74886297
Sand castle sculpture techniques were created over time by people trying to use various tools and structural complexity with varying success.
Those that permitted the creation of more complex adjustments flourished among sculptures. Resulting in the progressive complication of sand castle sculpture.
There was no Master sandcastle sculptor. The cruicible of sandcastle sculpture competitions resulted in the masterful item in the OP. No single individual made such a thing from scratch with zero knowledge. Such a thing would be impossible.
>>74898479
Linear, not circular
I'm just assuming most people here are New Atheists. What do you believe in?
Low quality bait.
3/10
>>74898836
>What do you believe in?
It's not what I believe it. It's what I don't believe in. And purely axiomatic systems are not linear.
>>74887432
>>74886209
Buddhists don't believe in gods. Many tribes believe in spirits of their ancestors but NOT gods. You are talking out of your ass.
Even if everyone believed in gods, these are COMPLETELY different gods we are talking. Zeus is completely different than Allah. This is an argument Ad populum
>. However, atheists believe that 95% of the universe's total mass consists of Dark Matter, an invisible, intangible substance whose properties we do not yet understand.
But we can observe its effects on the universe. Also no one can say for certain its cause
>>74886209
Nice straw man
>>74890170
HOMOSEXUALITY IS ALSO IN THE FUCKING OLD COVENANT
Holy shit, sorry for shouting but seriously
>>74894782
>>74889091
Not an argument
>>74891424
>>74891155
Why are the children of a great empire learning islam in schools if it were not ordained by god
>>74889843
Igbo religion, Buddhism, Some other african religions and so on
>>74898938
>And purely axiomatic systems are not linear.
They're the only things that can be linear
>It's not what I believe it. It's what I don't believe in.
Do you actually have nothing you believe in? You have opinions right?
>>74895893
A FUCKING LEAF
>>74886709
You can't measure the effects of something that you don't know anything. What you call the effects of dark matter I could easily call the effects of God and because you know so little about dark matter you can't say for a fact that it was definitely a result of dark matter and not god.
checkmate athiests
>>74895909
Except we can detect non-visible rays of light...
>>74897972
I was referring to my points about history in my first post in this thread.
I have no reason to believe in the Biblical god. Its stories are human-created myths and fables, its morality is clearly an outgrowth of the attitudes of the time period.
It's nonsense. Interesting nonsense, highly influential and at times very poetic nonsense, but nonsense none the less. It contains no deeper knowledge about the workings of our world, no hints of the surreal beauty of higher physics or the unfathomable vastness of the cosmos, it is simply a degenerated version of an older polytheistic semitic religion.
If God exists, he is greater than the mad fables we've made up about him.
>>74899104
How many time are we going to go over this? An axiom is an accepted premise as accepted as being true, but eventually your system must get back around to proving the axiom. That's the very definition of circular logic.
>Let's make this personal!
No, let's keep this about systems. Let's keep this about logic. Let's keep the ad hominems off the table.
Otherwise your argument is garbage.
This happens every time someone puts out an argument and it's flaws are exposed. They want to reverse positions because they can't handle the hot seat.
>>74898257
And Jesus isn't a fraud, or simply wrong about his divinity while being quite sincere in his convictions and very eloquent? How do you know?
>>74899293
>I have no reason to believe in the Biblical god
You're talking about purely knowledge-based beliefs right?
>If God exists, he is greater than the mad fables we've made up about him.
In theory, but you could not claim that even with your knowledge of our lack of knowledge
>literally everything in the Bible is coming to fruition
>Christians getting mocked and ridiculed
>conservative/Christian voices being silenced
>1 world government being formed literally right now.
>already microchips being developed to implant in humans which contain all our information(mark of the beast)
>all of this was predicted thousands of years ago
Explain, atheists.
>>74898567
If I had to choose a label, I'd call myself an Objectivist.
