>"When I hear talk of the Christian roots of Europe, I sometimes dread the tone, which can seem triumphalist or even vengeful. It then takes on colonialist overtones," Pope Francis said.
http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2016/05/17/pope-francis-hails-election-of-sadiq-khan-as-mayor-of-london/
Catholics, leave your Church, come to the Orthodox Church
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ye0a_F9Zj8
>>74874320
>Leave the Church because pope is bad
I'm not a pussy like Luther burger
>>74874603
If your Pope were just the "first among equals" in bishops, I could see your point. But you literally see him as God's mouthpiece.
>>74874320
#Notmypope
He is literaly the false prophet described in Book of Revelations. Dark ages are about to come.
>>74874320
>Catholics, leave your Church, come to the Orthodox Church
Fuck that scatterbrained, corrupt piece of slavshit excuse of a "church".
>>74874916
>But you literally see him as God's mouthpiece.
The Magisterium is literally guided by the presence of the Holy Spirit, that is where the authority comes from. Without the Holy Spirit there is no innate authority in the Church, or in anyone for that matter.
The Eastern Orthodox Church doesn't even experience the presence Holy Spirit.
>successor to the first pope to resign in 600 years is a commie infiltrator
>>74875111
My Church is based and don't you forget it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AE1FzSC8DBs
>>74875627
We don't? I'm pretty sure direct experience of God has been a major element of our theology since forever, it especially caused controversy with the Palamas thing.
>>74875782
>Pope who was forced to resign was conservative
>he recently said Vatican II was a mistake
What do you know
Benedict still my Pope tbch lads
Ex Cathedra? No? Then who gives a fuck? Are you all protestants this poorly informed?
>>74874916
>Let me tell you about your beliefs and dogmas
>>74874916
>But you literally see him as God's mouthpiece.
You should realize that this is a false, protestant meme and we don't have to give a fuck about pope's opinions.
>>74874320
Catholics, what the actual fuck?
>>74876083
/this even he is kraut, he's still better than that puppet jewpope from (((whitest country on the earth)))
>>74875910
>God has been a major element of our theology since forever
Your theology is garbage because God wants nothing to do with your ridiculous church
>>74874320
WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU ELECT A SOCIALIST AS THE FUCKING POPE?
>>74876235
Don't even do it with Muslims then
At this point catholics are worse than muslims. Both like to poor across borders and force their backwards beliefs upon others. At least Muslims are honest about hating white people.
>>74876287
http://www.ewtn.com/v/experts/showmessage_print.asp?number=386119&language=en
Is this the most hated Pope in history?
>>74876570
I can do it as long as I read Quran, imams, caliphs and all that things. Have YOU read Catechism, Father of Church, Popes, Councils documents, Magisterium et cetera?
>The election of a Muslim as London mayor 'illustrates the need for Europe to rediscover its capacity to integrate', the pope told La Croix
did he really say this?
WHY ISN'T ANYONE TELLING THE FUCKING MUSLIMS TO INTEGRATE
W H Y
>>74874320
>white people in Europe
>"colonialist"
Can we ship the Natives back to Asia? They "colonized" America ten thousand years ago.
Remember that this is the Pope atheists wanted.
>>74876899
he watched youtube videos
>>74874320
>When I hear talk of the Christian roots of Europe, I sometimes dread the tone, which can seem triumphalist or even vengeful. It then takes on colonialist overtones
It was only kept Christian because of the blood that was spilled by European men as they fought to the death to keep fanatical imperialistic Muslim colonialists from butt-fucking their continent and putting everyone who refused to convert to the sword.
What an ignoramous.
>>74876764
Far from the most hated, but he's a shit Pope for sure, I'm pretty sure he was chosen for the sole purpose of growing the traditionalist movement within the Church as a reaction against his modernist tendencies.
Even bad Popes are chosen for a reason.
The Black Pope has spoketh.
What a good Jesuit.
>>74876613
None of that supports your delusions about Catholic Church.
Here's how it really wokrs:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_infallibility
there must have been some sort of hiccup in the electoral system, how could the (current) greatest theological minds in the west choose a fucking South American commie?
>>74875627
>The Eastern Orthodox Church doesn't even experience the presence Holy Spirit.
Protip: nobody does because it doesn't exist.
t. FSM
>>74877367
>>74876899
I've read plenty of Church Fathers and Council Documents, as well as large sections of the Catholic Catechism.
>>74877238
>the Pope is only infallible when speaking in the capacity of Pope
What's funny is that this ridiculous distinction of the Pope just speaking as Joe-Shmo vs speaking as the Pope, didn't appear until the 19th Century. The Pope was always speaking as the Pope, not just turning on his office once in a blue moon. They don't refer to him by his secular name. When people greet him, they don't greet him as Joe Shmo, he's ALWAYS greeted as the Pope, and he always speaks as the Pope.
>>74877238
>wokrs
why should I take advice from someone who can't spell?
>>74874320
http://www.romasette.it/ganswein-benedetto-xvi-non-si-e-dimesso-per-vatileaks/
As a Catholic I can't even say that he's actually our Pope, though.
>>74877777
>being this autistic
>>74874320
Gib malvinas and we remove pope
>>74877786
Benedict was based, why did you have to force him to resign?
>>74877751
You obviously know nothing about any of what you're talking about. The Pope is always the Pope, never just "Joe-Shmo", he's a great spiritual leader, but his infallibility is only manifest Ex Cathedra. It is, and always has been, a very meticulous and rare occurrence.
>>74874320
>the face of a man who knows this is wrong but is forbidden by decorum and custom to speak out
>>74877751
>What's funny is that this ridiculous distinction of the Pope just speaking as Joe-Shmo vs speaking as the Pope
That's how it is now and we can disregard and criticize pope's opinions freely.
>>74877777
I don't really care about you, but those digits are nice.
>>74878042
The Pope is always ex cathedra, I'm saying the idea that is only once in a while is entirely new. The cathedra, the chair, is office of a bishop (hence "cathedrals"), if he weren't "ex cathedra" he wouldn't even be a bishop, let alone "the high priest"
>>74874320
Goddamnit, the pope is supposed to be neutral in politics
>>74878308
You're taking the semantics of the term too literally, you're wrong.
>>74878292
>That's how it is now
And thus all Catholic dogma
"that's how it is now"
Well, tomorrow, it will be female ordination, and "That's how it is now, we have 'developed' a better 'understanding'"
>>74874603
>Pope is bad
Bad would be the Pope being a corrupt fuck like Borgia. This Pope clearly wants to destroy Western Christendom itself. This is beyond bad, this is downright treasonous.
>>74878377
I'm saying the use of the term that way and the idea of it being once-in-a-while, is very new. Now the idea of the Pope being able to define dogma on his lonesome or his infallibility is also something relatively late, but I'm saying the ex cathedra distinction is much later than that.
>>74878042
>great spiritual leader
please
>>74878403
>Well, tomorrow
Not likely
>The doctrine of infallibility relies on one of the cornerstones of Catholic dogma: that of petrine supremacy of the pope, and his authority as the ruling agent who decides what is accepted as formal beliefs in the Roman Catholic Church.[4] The use of this power is referred to as speaking ex cathedra.[5] The solemn declaration of papal infallibility by Vatican I took place on 18 July 1870. Since that time, the clearest example of an ex cathedra decree (not the only such decree)[6] took place in 1950, when Pope Pius XII defined the Assumption of Mary as an article of faith.[7] Prior to the solemn definition of 1870, there were other ex cathedra decrees, for example, Pope Boniface VIII in the bull Unam Sanctam of 1302,[8][9][10] and Pope Pius IX in the Papal constitution Ineffabilis Deus of 1854.[11][12]
>>74878026
What the fuck are you talking about?
>>74878530
But you're still wrong. In the end we don't have to give fuck about pope's personal opinions.
>>74878777
These aren't his personal opinions, these are the opinions he's expressing as God's mouthpiece and the supreme priest and ultimate authority of the Roman Catholic Church
>>74878651
The disaster of Vatican II didn't need any Pope
>>74877777
Can't argue with those digits...!!!
>>74879080
>These aren't his personal opinions
That's your willful ignorance speaking.
>>74879229
Then you think it is a misnomer to refer to him as the "Pope" regarding these opinions, and it would be more accurate to say Jorge?
>>74879080
>These aren't his personal opinions, these are the opinions he's expressing as God's mouthpiece and the supreme priest and ultimate authority of the Roman Catholic Church
Are you seriously suggesting the Church has never had a way of differentiating between the Pope talking casually and the Pope talking with infallible theological authority? That's a fucking insane notion, you think in history if the Pope stubbed his toe on a table, he shouts "Damn this table" in frustration, you think he is literally damning the table to hell? Nobody believed this, there have always been measures to differentiate the Pope's casual speech from doctrinal commands, sometimes Popes say silly things because they are mortal men, there was never a time in history when the Pope's constipated dictation from the toilet was written down and put into action as infallible doctrine you nut.
>>74879378
Again you obsess over semantics.
>>74879378
You can refer to him any way you want, but that won't change the fact that your views are detached from reality.
>>74879691
Left wing nutjobs love arguing over semantics, I guess it's the same with heretics.
>>74879691
Is he, isn't he the Pope, the successor of Peter, when he's saying these things?
>>74879573
He's not just speaking casually, which is something like ordering food; he's speaking as a pastor to the Church, he's not "off work" here
>>74874320
>Catholics will give their lives for this man
AHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>74879922
Heresy is literally defended against by concrete definitions of words to prevent them screwing around. The RCC is extremely obsessed with terms, in theology and councils
>>74874320
Of course he is being nice. Christianity is a religion, not a race. It relies on recruitment to continue. You don't get new members by being an asshole. You see dirty muslims, he sees potential future catholics.
>>74880195
In this situation you clearly have no case and that's why you're arguing over semantics like some kind of yid.
>>74880522
>>74880607
I do have a case, the Pope is clearly acting as a pastor, do you think he's just being interviewed as a regular guy?
>>74877518
Then you should know, that we do not see Popes as God's mouthpiece.
Hi is a mouthpiece of Peter tho.
>>74881738
No, you see Peter as God's mouthpiece after Christ left, and the Pope as the successor of Peter in that capacity.
>>74881631
Why is it so hard for you to accept that we don't have to agree with pope's personal opinions?
>>74874320
>unironically believe in god
>>74881849
I know you don't, what I'm saying is that the idea that these opinions are not pastoral, is very new.
>>74882212
So you shouldn't bring up misguided PR stunts as a reason to leave Catholic Church. If as whole institution they're going to drift further left then I might consider it but pope's ramblings I will simply disregard.
>>74874320
You reap what you sow
I will not stand by an organization so corrupt that it lets itself be represented by Jorge Bergoglio. It should, and will, burn.
>>74877238
Here's the thing, why would Christ ever want this guy to sit in this position in the first place? Catholics have to go through so many God damn loops to explain away obvious bull shit. You're a bunch of superstitious cocks.
>>74883531
Does Poland have Pagan roots?
>>74874320
>catholics
Feels good to be protestant.
>>74884604
You'd have to ask Christ about that and if you are not atheist then I really doubt that your religion is perfectly consistent.
>>74884694
Pagan religions were practiced before Polish statehood began
