/pol/ likes bashing on atheists but can you actually prove a Christian god exists?
>hard mode: you can't post fedoras
>>74864464
Can you prove it doesn't exist?
>>74864464
By your faith be healed
Can you prove God doesn't exist?
>>74864464
A large proportion of /pol/ IS some brand of atheist.
We just don't like the kind that go around thinking this makes them some sort of genius.
>>74864464
I don't believe in anything, but can agree to most Christian values anyway, when it comes to morality, and not because I think I'll be rewarded for it when I die.
>>74864538
>>74864548
>what is burden of proof
>>74864538
>what is burden of proof
Fucking hell, how retarded can you be?
Of course God exists. Stop being so retarded, OP.
if their was a deity, to be specific a deity that roughly represented the christian one, Judgement day would be due like a dozen of times.
>>74864718
>Earth is flat
>pre-spaceflight
>Can't prove it's round
>Checkmate roundfags.
>>74864718
Exactly. where's your proof he's not real?
>>74864818
Fuck off Hans, go gas some kiks just don't spout your idiotic opinions
>>74864464
In the beginning there was a sound which formed and shaped matter through frequency and vibrations that correlates with a mathematical pattern found in nature and the procreation of living organisms. There needs to be an observer, a mind over matter as the double slit experiment shows that matter is indeed influenced by an observer where its properties change from a waveform to a particle like behavior depending on circumstance and input from an observer.
What this means is that the Universe could not have been conceived without an observer.
>>74864464
Of course. He rose from the dead. And you're still talking about Him.
>>74864818
I am convinced that God exists, I have read Aquinas and his arguments are sound, and a few other texts as well, but my question is how can we know if He is the one? God is logically proven to exist, however, we can't be sure which holy texts are the "right ones". Maybe we are all wrong, and a religion that unveils His true identity is yet to be born on this Earth.
>>74864464
Here is the proof for the resurrection of Jesus:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=A0iDNLxmWVM
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Z0tyVdnIU9A
You only need to watch the first 30 minutes of the second video.
>>74864915
I tell you that there is a race of dildo-unicorns with healing powers living on the surface of mars. This is real unless you prove otherwise.
See how retarded you sound?
The burden of proof lies on OP to explain why God does not exist, if he is making such a claim.
I do not proclaim to know that God exists, I only believe he does through my own faith.
The issue is that most don't understand the faith aspect and don't understand that rational and reasonable men can believe something that others do not with no evidence based solely on faith. Matters of faith are not material and thus are not subject to material trial and error to "prove" they exist as they are inconsequential at the material level.
Also who cares what someone else believes.
>>74865027
Might check it out later, but can you explain basically what happened?
Also there are many records of people who were assumed to be dead and then came back after some days, weeks or even months, most of them from the third world.
Does that make these people as worthy as Jesus (which is a contradiction to Christianism)? Or would it mean that Jesus is not special at all?
>White people worshiping Arab gods
Ultimate cuckdom
>>74864464
"if a deity or deities truly wanted people to believe in them, then said deity or deities could demonstrate their existence with miracles, and explain their plan(s) for humanity or the lack thereof. Being all-powerful, if they truly wanted humans to believe, they could send a divine sign not left up to interpretation. "
Since gods don't seem to care whether we believe in them or not why should we care wether they exists or not?
>>74864955
So if everyone closed their eyes would the whole universe cease to exist?
>>74864979
God cannot be logically proven to exist, faith exists outside the limits of rationality
>>74865071
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
>>74864955
Read >>74864979.
I know a god exists but I'm asking if He is this
<<<<<<<
god
>>74865300
>believing in god is irrational
What else is new
>>74865261
From your perspective yes, if you are born without vision your perception of the universe would be different from ours. It's the mind that forms and shapes perception according to the environment.
>>74865378
I mean, nothing
FACT: atheists and "pagans" breed less than any other religious sect
>inb4 hurr it doesn't matter
Burn in hell if it suits you. Just don't cry to me about not telling you, and don't cry to God either. You chose it.
>hurr muh fear evangelism
Next time you're scared you're about to die, think back to such a remark.
>>74864979
I'm kinda in the same boat. I think God speaks to us through our environment, thus having been raised a Christian that is the way that God speaks to me.
If there is truly one religion I hope it is mine. Having studied most religions to a degree at least to understand their underlying morals I think that Christianity holds the most to offer, so is most probably the correct religion. Of course this could just be confirmation bias.
Still searching for a good denomination. These sorts of photos make me lol as I search for a good community.
>>74865327
Lol are you seriously using "absence of evidence" as an argument? Every religion is founded on the absence of evidence.
>>74864865
>pre-spaceflight
>Can't prove it's round
you can pretty easily do that
Why is the idea of God as the first cause wrong?
>>74865410
>from your perspective
So no.
>>74864464
You can't tell me what to do.
>>74865586
It's not, antitheists just like feeling edgy, so they deny it could be anything but cosmic randomness.
But can you prove He doesn't exist?
>>74865503
>Still searching for a good denomination
There is none. Stick to the Bible since it is God-breathed.
2 Timothy 3:16-17
t. dirty protty
>>74865568
No, I'm saying that just because you have no evidence of something it is not evidence that something absolutely doesn't exist.
For example - someone robs your house. He's a good thief and leaves no physical evidence of him being there behind. This doesn't mean that your stuff evaporated.
>>74865676
You have to understand that the model that shapes the universe is "everything" and "nothing" at the same time it takes an observer to influence this paradigm.
>>74865764
Yes.
>>74865786
I grew up in a "bible church" (nondenominational).
It bred lukewarm bullshit. I was treated like shit by my peers and as a result turned away from the church.
Furthermore simply reading the bible is not enough since there's no way for me to interpret it, since I do not know hebrew, greek, or latin, so I cannot determine the REAL intention behind the words.
There's a reason they're called biblical scholars...
Am thinking of Roman Catholic. Since I'm in USA, I don't really think Orthodox has a big presence here.
>>74865764
it's very easy to make up shit that cannot be disproven actually. Hey I'm God, try to disprove that.
>>74865978
That's not proof.
>>74866054
Can you prove you are who you say you are?
>>74865978
>Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent
No reason given, not logically sound.
>Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Babbys first existential crisis.
I get your quotes make you feel good, but do you actually think about them at all?
>>74866154
Yes, you have my word, mortal.
>>74866234
Not proof.
>>74864979
follow the breadcrumbs
>>74865886
You can know a thief went through your shit if shit is missing from your house. The moment your god even comes close to having such an impact on the universe, i will accept him
>>74865978
>Ancient Greek philosopher
>Saying thing about God
>Singular
>not plural as the Greeks had a pantheon.
>>74866322
It is for religious people.
Notice how you asked for proof. My point was that you can not dispove my statement.
>>74866003
I haven't gone to church in probably 10 years, anon. I have no faith in men, only in God. I understand exactly your feelings toward churches.
You still cannot go wrong with the Bible, if you are with true conviction.
>>74866405
>You can know a thief went through your shit if shit is missing from your house.
Really? Every time something of yours goes missing it is absolutely certain that someone stole it?
>>74866447
Mine is you can't prove yours.
>>74864464
I can prove inazuma a cute.
>>74866453
While I understand your sentiment and have felt at times that it could be a good approach, I find that I desire communion with other believers.
I also like to engage in small rituals, they help me get my head straight usually. I think the rosary and the other catholic traditions could help me a lot to reinvest time in my relationship with God.
If it's not permanent, it's at least a stepping stone. I've been lost for far too long.
>>74866154
Do you even read what you type? You just asked for proof, the very same thing antitheists ask of theists, retard.
>>74864464
P1: the definition of God is undeniable, he is defined as the greatest possible being.
P2: this concept of God exists even in the mind of the atheist.
P3: something that exists in reality is greater than something that exists in the mind alone.
C: God exists in reality.
>>74866594
Yes I know that. That's how religion works.
>>74866725
You're too stupid to comprehend simple concepts. Please take a moment to think how utterly fucking stupid you are. Kill yourself.
>>74866535
Not if you can't find your keys, but what else do you think happened to the TV that was in the living room?
Quit being intentionally obtuse.
>>74864464
>>74865475
Pretty sure school isnt done kido
>>74866856
>>74866856
Ok Romania, keep insulting me without disproving my argument.
>>74864718
>>what is burden of proof
It is racism, sexism, ageism, ableism, homophobia, transphobia, islamophobia, and xenophobia. That is what it is.
Oppressed classes have stories to tell, and when they speak, you need to shut the fuck up and LISTEN to their experiences. Reason, rationality, logic, and evidence have their place, but they are not the only methods of measuring reality. This is because human EXPERIENCES are also another valid means of gaging reality, as proven by the suffering of oppressed classes in the West. So, yes, sometimes experiences trump your "reason" and "logic."
Listen to people who tell you about their pain, because you may learn something about reality. If you speak against them and their experiences, all you are doing is REINFORCING racism, sexism, ageism, ableism, homophobia, transphobia, islamophobia, and xenophobia. We need to work together to create SAFE AND INCLUSIVE ENVIRONMENTS where the oppressed can live without fear. If your "facts and evidence" prevent this from happening, then they must be ejected to prevent violence.
Thankfully, the American Humanist Association and other Atheist (or irreligious/secularist) organizations have taken up the causes of the oppressed to give them greater visibility. Together, we can work to tear down barriers to social justice like your "burden of proof" to usher in an era of TRUE equality.
Go here to learn more, and to see what YOU can do to further social justice:
>http://americanhumanist.org/news/details/2016-05-humanist-group-launches-initiatives-for-racial-justi
Yes, this whole post is a giant shitpost, but I am trying to show you all that Atheistic organizations are now fully infected by SJW-ism. If you don't believe me, just follow the link. It is fucking awful.
>>74866707
>I find that I desire communion with other believers
Well there's nothing wrong with that. I'm more of an introvert, so one person or a small group is enough for me. I used to listen to podcasts a lot. Chris White and a few others. That helped me because I also fell away when I was younger.
Hope you find what you need.
>I'm a imageboard Christian
>>74867111
Your argument is "you can't disprove me".
I guess the fedora meme is real, you are a stupid edgy neckbeard who thinks he's smart because he says God doesn't exist, but is actually stupid as fuck.
>low IQ posters
Science is not out to prove anything. Go back to high school.
>>74867278
>can't have faith if on an imageboard
>cant be religious without also be white supremacist
how stupid are you?
I really, really wanna believe god exists /pol/ i really do, i need something to relly when im just lost in this existential pain, but i just cant bring myself in believing in something that lacks the proofs of its own existance, please /pol/, prove it exists and ill join the crusades
>>74867278
Your image reminds me of this one for some reason.
>>74866011
I like how all this small stuff is impossible but god that basically renders all logic pointless isn't.
>>74866323
With that you can say is the god allah ? Then why would he wait so long to take over the christfags ,saudie arabia got rich from the oil christfags bought .
Is it the jewish god ? ,the jews also suck on the tits of the christfags, and would get destroyed if it was not for america's support
>>74864464
Read "Mere Christianity" by C.S. Lewis if you're actually interested in the philosophical argument for God.
>>74867638
Have you Nether-regioners made Geert your Supreme Leader yet?
If not, why not?
>>74867540
If you're looking for proof you need to find it through observation there's literally more proof at the palm of your hand than you'll ever need just look for patterns and you'll see.
>>74866981
You missed the important words "absolutely certain".
You think someone stole it, or that you just lost it but you don't know for sure. You are making a judgement call based on nothing but intuition.
Or in other words, something very similar to faith.
I want to bully Inazuma
>>74867762
I dont think that is going to happen the elite wont let that happen
>>74867909
????
please enlighten me, i clearly lack those observation skills, i dont deny god exists, i just dont believe in it.
>>74864865
>earth is flat
>cant prove its round
yeah dude you cant just fucking sail in a straight line and come out in the same place?
>>74864538
I can prove your argument for its existence are false. That's plenty enough.
>>74865475
FACT: not fact, jews breed the least actually
>>74868043
updated
>>74868145
>Around the time that flat earth was seriously considered they could circumnavigate the globe...
>>74867921
>intuition based on observable facts is just like faith
Winston please GTFO if you're not even going to try.
>>74868077
Measure the proportions and relate it to other parts of your body, these are no accident and do not occur from nowhere there's intelligent design that follows a pattern that is not limited to your body it is also found in plants and animals and even weather and entire galaxies if you know where to look.
>>74867368
Nothing worst than a retard with delusions of grandeur.
>>74866011
That proof only proves that we have the word "god" and that the word means what it means. You can literally "prove" existence of unicorns with this type of "proof".
>God is real because a collection of texts in a 2000+ year old book says so
kek'd
>>74868462
I think this fallacy is my favorite fedora tactic.
>>74868545
I didn't realise facts are fallacies
>>74868356
We exist despite all rational reason for this. Why?
Who knows, but suddenly an irrational cause doesn't seem so irrational.
>>74868361
I can literally just say that the correct proportions for everything that exists is a result of billions of years of trial and error in the evolution of the universe
how does that proves there's a god?
also thinking that something well done has been made by an inteligent being its just an automatic thought proccess of the brain and it doesnt mean its true either
>>74868361
>me complicated must be made by someone
>god is infinitely more complicated... must not be made by someone
>logic what is that
>>74868462
By your logic we should disregard everything that is old
>>74867921
Except there is no observable facts for your faith but there is for a potential thief such has finger prints, missing valuables etc. Things that can only be explained by someone breaking in
>>74868859
History is written by the victories. It's all biased
>>74868672
Following that logic, you should stop reading any kind of history books.
>>74868730
For the universe to procreate there could be no trial and error all it would take is one mistake so minuscule and insignificant and the whole thing would fall apart the Universe had to be absolutely perfect for these things to take shape there could not be room for error.
>>74864538
Don't bother asking this, retarded fedoralords will reply 'HURR THATS NOT HOW THAT WORKS,' when in reality they're too chickenshit to give a better reply because they know atheism is inherently flawed.
I can play that game too: absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Atheists are a stain on humanity.
>>74868909
I mentioned before in this thought experiment that the thief was a good one and left no physical evidence that you can find, other than something is no longer where you thought you left it.
>>74868930
Thanks, man, really deep bro.
>>74869011
By the logic that there should be no room for error in anything, then why do genetic mutation happens if there's an inteligent being making sure there are no errors? just divine tests for the people?
There was also a time where the universe was unstable and unable to sustain planets with lives, after billions of years we're here
You way of thinking still doesnt prove god exists, its just faith of something created this scenario for us, not proof
>>74866011
Why does the first motor that moves everything have to be an intelligent being?
>>74867260
>Atheistic organizations are now fully infected by SJW-ism
Not an argument
>>74868545
Yeah it makes sense that the new testament comprised of stories written 200 years apart from each other is true!
Oh and people 2000 years ago could not have possibly lied! Lying is a modern construct!
>>74868859
Historians actively scrutinize historical documents. Many of them doubt the claims the romans made of of their enemies sacrificing children as there is no evidence of that. Propaganda has always existed. People lie
>>74869116
If the thief left no evidence then you can't say for sure that there is a thief and instead of saying their is a thief like people say there is a god, you should try looking for the valuables incase you lost them
>>74869011
So why is there so many errors in nature, such as unborn babies, genetic defects and other diseases contracted at birth if a small error would have ruined everything.
>>74864464
>>74864718
people like that are why I don't associate myself with other atheists
>>74869692
>burden of proof is stupid
You raped me
>>74869435
We're the cause of these mutations through free will we've poisoned ourselves through heavy drinking for example which doesn't bode well for offspring.
>There was also a time where the universe was unstable and unable to sustain planets with lives, after billions of years we're here
Without these instabilities none of this would be possible when taking fundamentals into consideration; there would first of all have to be matter for anything to even matter.
>>74869821
Are you really this ignorant or are you just pretending?
Another saying burden of proof in this argument is retarded.
If the question is "Can you prove God exists?" the answer is no.
If the question is "Can you prove God doesn't exist?" the answer is no.
Regardless of where the burden of proof lies the answer is the same and this thread is garbage.
>>74869666
The point is that in this thought experiment there *IS* a thief, but from your perspective you don't know whether there was one or not due to him leaving no evidence of his passing.
There wasn't not a thief, due to lack of evidence.
>>74869680
>So why is there so many errors in nature, such as unborn babies, genetic defects and other diseases contracted at birth if a small error would have ruined everything.
These defects are arguably man made or influenced, the blueprints and layouts are there to follow but we have free will to destroy them or change for the better or worse.
>>74869978
Well can you prove that you did not rape me?
>>74870170
>The point is that in this thought experiment there *IS* a thief
I don't understand what is your point. You are arguing that there is a probability that god might exist therefore we must be christian?
>Christian /pol/acks rely on empirical evidence for showing how niggers, muslims etc are ruining western society but go full SJW feels when it comes to evidence for their god.
>>74869963
Then again if god exists there would have never been a need for instabilities in the first place, since god can just create everything with a poof
And you still havent provided any kind of proof, just belief, i want proof of its existance, not the thought of "maybe" it exists because you believe everything that has happened to far its because of a god, i wanna believe, but i just cant bring myself to believing if there's no real, scientific proof of god existing
>>74869680
gues why most sandniggers are murdering psychopaths
>>74870234
>These defects are arguably man made or influenced
How do you know this? Is blue eyes also man made?
>>74868747
This is good vladimir, I'm going to use it later.
>>74870490
Why would god make it so that if you breed with a relative, you are likely to get recessive diseases. What is the point of this? Nowhere in the books did he even declare a moral obligation for people to not commit incest.
>>74870490
IMPLYING THE UK IS NOT INBRED
fuck off swampjew
>>74870666
t. incest pro
>>74869980
To be fair, asking christians "Can you prove God exists?" is already a sign of idiocy, since, you know, their whole religion is based on faith. Whoever claims that they know for a fact that a god doesn't exist is a moron. Whoever claims that they know for a fact that god DOES exist is not only a moron, but also not a real christian. Funny how these threads are always filled with underage redditors.
>>74870381
No my point is that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
So the "You can't prove that god absolutely exists so this means that he 100% absolutely does not exist! checkmate christfags" argument is retarded.
>[CURRENT YEAR]
>parcticing semitic religion of any kind
Absolutely cuck-tier
>>74870784
>Whoever claims that they know for a fact that a god doesn't exist is a moron. Whoever claims that they know for a fact that god DOES exist is not only a moron, but also not a real christian. Funny how these threads are always filled with underage redditors.
Exactly. There are no absolutes. For all we know we could be living in a computer simulation. This is why I am agnostic. People only use the burden of proof against christians that claim they know for certain that god exists
>>74870646
Leviticus 20:17 - And if a man shall take his sister, his father's daughter, or his mother's daughter, and see her nakedness, and she see his nakedness; it [is] a wicked thing; and they shall be cut off in the sight of their people: he hath uncovered his sister's nakedness; he shall bear his iniquity.
Deuteronomy 27:22 - Cursed [be] he that lieth with his sister, the daughter of his father, or the daughter of his mother. And all the people shall say, Amen.
>>74870757
no but seriously that pic is absolutely retarded and it's that kind of shit meme spewing that gets people believing full heart and soul in abject ideas
What the fuck..these people have no idea what they're talking about...at this point they're actually militating for untrue pretenses
/pol/ has become satire
it wasn't this way
>>74870855
>So the "You can't prove that god absolutely exists so this means that he 100% absolutely does not exist! checkmate christfags" argument is retarded.
The point is not that there is no reason to follow religion as their is no certainty that what you are doing is not in vain.
>I will stay indoors all my life to avoid the small chance that I wont be struck by lightning!
>>74870416
>Then again if god exists there would have never been a need for instabilities in the first place
The Universe is filled with black holes, it is chaotic yet necessary for new material to be conjured through titanic gravitational forces that pulls matter together. The Universe is plagued by radiation that destroys cells on a molecular level yet we're protected by a magnetic field that repels and protects through forces in nature that is theorized to occur from churning magma deep in the Earth's mantel that creates friction and vibrations in which creates differences in potential for current to flow and ultimately creates a giant magnetic field that we are still puzzled by how and where this comes from whenever there's a current flowing.
Point in case, through processes spanning space and time we're now able to conceive and observe these forces that have been here long before we could even apprehend it through consciousness. We are essentially as if it is the Universe trying to understand itself.
>>74871000
I thought christians don't follow the old testament. Isn't that laws specifically for jews?
>>74871166
You seem to be arguing against yourself now if that greentext is anything to go by.
>>74871356
No I am correcting you why atheists bring it up
>>74871254
if god says that something is degenerate it would also be after 10 years 100 years or 1000 years
do i have to stone someone who lies with his sister ?,no , that is what the laws were
>>74870979
>People only use the burden of proof against christians that claim they know for certain that god exists
Except that's wrong, heck, look at the OP of this thread. Nobody even made a claim that gods exist and that retarded br already asked for a proof. It happens all the time, everywhere. The so called "enlightened atheists" act like they know absolute truth all the time. This is precisely why so many people these days refer to themselves as atheist-agnostics or simply agnostics, they don't want to be grouped together with fedoratippers while at the same time they want to be left the fuck alone by christians.
>>74871191
What makes you think we're the only ones here tho?
The universe is so massive that the fact we're here can be demonstrated with a probability equation.
Again, you're just stating that you believe that we're here its just god's doing, no proof, just a way of thinking that i've seen and experienced myself, i used to think like this years ago, but now my way of thinking is more scientific, that's all, i need scientific proof, or at least physical proof.
>>74871472
Well then state your point in a way that makes sense please.
>>74871012
give me a new meme pic then
Hello is this the smug anime girl thread.
>>74871166
If anything, it's the opposite. Plenty of modern day religions are hilariously lax and for the most part let you as you please. Worst case scenario, nothing happens after you die, best case scenario, people get salvation.
>>74864538
Prove you aren't a fag.
>>74864464
huehue
>>74864464
Sola Fide. God doesn't exist for atheists.
Romans xiv: 'Whatsoever is not done of or in faith is sin.'
>>74871681
>What makes you think we're the only ones here tho?
I didn't say we're the only ones here, because the Universe is infinitely large, so large that it is inconceivable since it takes light years for observable information to travel if there where other beings with the same consciousness to be self aware and ask questions like how and why and what is there would be no point because we are on a different time as they are.
Take for instance the amount of time for the light to reach us from the sun, at this very instance if the sun would burn out it would take about 8 minutes for the even to reach us and experience it.
Now if there where an event within the far reaches of space where there is a being calling out to us how long would it take before we could listen? Would we even be able to recognize it? And by the time we receive this information, that same being would more than likely no longer be with us given a presupposed lifespan for said being.
>>74866003
Roman Catholic is the one true faith anon.
>>74864464
> Proving or disproving a god.
I seek the light of truth, whatever that may be.
>>74872398
Well, the discussion turned away from the initial subject, i still enjoyed it tho, and i completely understand you way of thought, as i said, i used to think this way too but a lot of bad shit happened along the way and now im full skeptical, i wish i could have the faith you have, but as i said i need real proof for belief.
>it's a religion thread where no one can prove anything
>one side asks for proof
>lo and behold: no proof exists for anything
>argue about who has to disprove who
And so on and so forth.
>>74864464
Trump is winning, therefore God exists. That was easy.
>>74872483
get out papist schismatic cunt
>>74872689
>real proof for belief.
why would god give you proof if he wants you to have faith?. i really dont get this .People are waiting that god shows him self to them. While if god was real he would never do this
>>74872689
>real proof for belief
I hate to be that guy, but that kinda defeats the purpose
>>74873026
>>74873092
welp, i guess ill go to hell then, i really tried having faith but cant bring myself to, there's this little bug in my brain that just demands the proof, maybe lucifer?
>>74872923
i was expecting more anime girls in this thread
sage
>>74873211
Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed
I dont know i had been a atheist for 30 years i know how it works but i cannot explain how you can turn the proof thing of
>>74873211
If it makes you feel any better, we're gonna be there together
>>74864464
No, but I can prove that I want to f*ck that boat doe.
So basically, no, no one can prove God exists and no one can prove he doesn't either. Good job everyone.
>>74873662
n-nice!
>>74873695
I feel very fulfilled, thank you.
How are you not stabbed right now?
Anyway, read this book...
Who built the moon?
Christopher Knight
>>74873695
It seems so obvious and yet makes you wonder how come some people don't know that.
>>74870490
OH SHIT
>from jayman's blog
interesting sources you have there m8
>>74864718
>what is faith
checkmate fedoras
>>74864763
>what is faith
we don't need to prove shit
>>74864865
>What is Hellenistic Astronomy
>>74864464
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_of_the_Sun
Atheism is inherently flawed because you claim to be logically minded but you can't explain how anything came into existence. If anything you should be agnostic.
>>74873369
Funny thing is Greece is anti-semitic on a large scale. So once again
Get out papist schismatic cunt.
>>74864979
Hobbes, Spinoza and Hegel give a collective answer to this. By looking at the things you can figure out about God by natural reason, and the differences between true and false religion natural reason can deduce, you will identify a number of defining characteristics, and then see that evangelical Christianity matches the parameters for a direct revelation.
It's worth reading all of them in full, but as a short summary: Spinoza takes the morality qualities of true religion, as well as an absence of false prophecies, as primary, and identifies Jesus as someone who delivers a message of justice and love directly, exactly as the one God would; so Jesus is divine.
Hobbes (who inspired Spinoza) also focuses on miracles as a sign of true religion; he thinks the incredible spread of Christianity in the face of persecution with no political power can only be a miracle, and perhaps also explained by miracles that early converts witnessed with their own eyes.
Hegel has a more complex line of thought tying the evolution of cognitive life to the origin and structure of Christian theology. Part of the goal of this is to see God as a person without seeing God as alike unto human being.
>>74878364
but anon miracles can be explained by science
there is no magic, dont you know that?
even if you give meaning to these clearly scientific phenomenons the word "God", you still will need a way to show me its really god thats pulling all these strings
>>74877405
BRITAIN BTFO BY GREECE
BREXIT CONFIRMED
>>74878690
Explain this then:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_Zeitoun
>The apparitions were also witnessed by President Gamal Abdel Nasser,[5] and captured by newspaper photographers and Egyptian television. Investigations performed by the police could find no explanation for the phenomenon. No device was found within a radius of fifteen miles capable of projecting the image, while the sheer number of photographs from independent sources suggests that no photographic manipulation was involved. Having been unable to produce an alternative explanation for the luminous sightings, the Egyptian government accepted the apparitions as true.[6]
>>74864464
"Hi guys, I am God, I made the man a rational being, I gave him the ability to doubt and search for the most logical answers but I expect him to obey me without questions just because of a book written 2000 years ago by some drunken jew."
>>74864464
It's not something to be proven, people just place their faith in one or the other.
>>74880405
Watch these videos, please:
>74865027
>>74864464
God's existence is self-evident. If he didn't make every how come there is things?
Checkmate, atheists
>>74881626
Messed up the link:
>>74865027
>>74864464
http://pastebin.com/xMQ9wAwW
If you want proof. Just read a book called God Has Spoken.
>>74878690
That's neither Hobbes' nor Spinoza's conception of a miracle. They both (in slightly different ways) see miracle as a gap between knowledge and understanding that gives rise to the emotion of wonder. To say that something is miraculous doesn't commit us to any theory about how it came to pass; quite the opposite, it says that our understanding is inadequate.
>>74878364
Oh come on, those three are some of the most bullshit tier philosophers, especially Hegel, his philosophy could be logically accurate but practically it's pure bullshit. It's just speculation.
Also lots of religions have people who are ready to die for them and the spread of Christianity is easily explainable: delusions, a superior God that always watches and loves you, the explanation of life after death and the seek of meaning in the chaos of life are the projection of the mankind deepest delusions and hopes.
But if you just watch a bit reality you could easily understand that Chrstianity is just bullshit.
The only thing I appreciate about Christianity is the message of love and peace from Jesus, too bad that this is the part at which /pol/ fails the most
>>74883109
The Apostles were so delusional that all twelve of them died martyrs for their own lie?
>>74884007
You mean like the muslims blowing them up? Ah no, when they do it they are crazy psychos, when Christians kill themselves for religion they are martyrs. And the answer is yes anyway, they believe in their delusion because they like it, they love it but that doesn't make it true.
>>74883109
>lots of religions have people who are ready to die for them
Right, so that's easy to understand. The Vedic religion spread through conquest. Greek and Roman religion spread through conquest. Even Buddhism, amusingly enough, spread primarily by conquest and legal decree. You sometimes see less violent but equally explicable things like Japanese ambassadors adopting Tang religious ideas for prestige reasons and bringing it back to their own imperial court. What's curious is when a religion like Christianity spreads so rapidly through the population, in the face of legal persecution and elite scorn, that eventually the government has to accept it because the majority of the population is converted.
>bullshit tier philosophers
lol
>love and peace
>And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.
>And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
>Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
>>74884370
So you think all twelve of them happened to be crazy enough to die for their own lie? That no one would go "ah, screw this cult shit, I wanna live"?
>>74884007
Lots of people die for their dumbass beliefs, doesn't make them any more right. Example: people have refused blood transfusions because blood transfusions are demonic or something and died. Does that give some credence to the idea that blood transfusions are evil?
>>74884820
Like I said, but you fuckers have reading problems, Christianity spread because it's a very persuasive religion, it focus on men's desire for safety and easy answers but that doesn't make it true. It's just like a drug, the fact that people like it doesn't make it good
>taking prhases out of contest
If you like this game I'd like to remind you things like "you shall love your neighbor as yourself" or "turn the other cheek". Even your second quote is about enduring something instead of bombing people.
And hell, the last one sound like something Mohammed could have said, proof that /pol/tards and islamists are almost the same at the core
>>74869105
who made god?
>>74885351
But this is because they've heard some bullshit from other people. Apostles died for what they claimed they have seen.
>>74864464
1. God is a being which no greater can be imagined
2. It is greater to exist in reality than in the mind alone
3. If God exists only in the mind then a greater being can be imagined
4. Therefore God must necessarily exist in reality.
>>74884820
Your second and third quotes are saying basically the same thing. "Everybody is going to hate you for being insufferable lameasses but just take it. Suffer like me and you'll have it great in the nect life."
>>74886635
Hey, how's your day going?
>theist cuckolds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4yBvvGi_2A
>>74887299
Did you go somewhere to get it cut? Why would you?
I cut my own hair, when it's too long I just cut all my hair off with my electric clippers. I do kind of miss having a woman wash my hair, though.
>>74864464
We've had a fairly open discussion on Divine Conservation for some time now. This is as far as it has gotten.
Historically Divine Conservation has been the largest argument for theism in the west. It's a massive disappointment that such discussions are completely ignored in favor of discussion of temporal causation.
God is real. Take it or leave it. Is it worth the death of your soul? You decide.
>>74887740
Oh come on, don't tell me the thread died after this post! Shit.
I fucking love you /pol/
Keep it up
We cannot measure light directly, but we can observe the effects of it.
We can observe the effect of our creator, because we are.
now whether or not our creator is inteligent or not is out of the question, entirely, in fact it is really quite a silly question, because what created all logic does not need to have logic applied to it.
it is simply faith then, when you chose to believe that everything means nothing, and that morality is purely instinctive.
Cultures means everything, cultures are in a sense above the law, because the law is built around culture.
some countries has liberties other does not, because their culture allows for it, like switzerland and guns.
with the right culture it is ofcourse possible to abolish all laws entirely and live like an anarchy like we've already done for thousands of years. (though' i do not want this)
I don't know for certain the recent abolishment of white culture will lead to, but i can point to a few countries that has undergone a similar jewish treatement, china and russia to name a few, and they weere only done through persecution, think what the internet will do to our culture, look at the "liberals" they want more laws, because they act less moral, and want to abolish all shame, so they can continue to act above their conscience.
Morals subdued in to something instinctive will require a system so authorian to police, you might miss Hitler some day.
>>74864464
You just posted proof yourself. I don't need to explain any further.
>>74889740
Belief comes through faith. You want an argument? God could be real. And if He is, you lose nothing by believing in Him, but you will lose everything if you do not.
>>74893745
I seek the thing that comes closer to truth, not gains. Also that could be true for every deity, do you worship every god of every religion just in case?
>>74894170
God is the only truth. Obviously not, because some are far more valid than others. Most people ITT that have studied a vast majority of religions end up at one.
Another religion thread and once again not one actual rational argument why god exists.
Keep worshiping the magic spacejew christcucks, we all know you're really just trying to fill the gaping loneliness with something that makes you feel important.
>>74894785
>tl;dr I didn't actually read the thread
>>74887796
Yeah, getting the back is hard, sometimes I need somebody else to clean it up. But it seems a waste to pay fot it when I can do it at home.
>>74890354
No, Wolfy, it died long before that.
>>74894368
>God is the only truth
No, he's the opposite of truth. Because he's not real.
Now, my Goddess is the truth. She is real and living. Pray to her, turn away from your idolatry and vain superstition and her blessings will rain upon you.
>>74893745
>you lose nothing by believing in Him
What about wasting your life worshipping a God that doesn't exist? Or what if you believed in the wrong God all this time? Or what if God thinks you only 'believed' in him because of what you said here but deep down didn't actually have faith in him and so you're damned anyway?
>>74864464
>>74864863
>>74871953
>>74894785
Oh wow look, the Reddit atheist fags are the ones posting anime, fancy that.
>>74895077
The fact that everything in your post regarding your "goddess" is a copy and paste of Christianity type worship, is hilarious. Very amusing.
>>74895305
NOT AN ARGUMENT
>>74894895
Every """"Argument"""" in the thread has been refuted
>>74894368
Why don't you believe in Zoroastrianism?
>>74893745
We lose the whole motivation of trying not to die. Maybe if we didn't buy into the false promise of eternal life we'd try a little harder to thwart death. Of course you'd suggest it's better we roll over and accept the natural order of things because you're a christcuck with slave mentality.
>>74894895
>deflection
I did and there was not one argument. Pascal's wager doesn't count either you tool. Even better was the Aquinas meme.
Your beliefs are not rational and any argument for it is inherently unsound. Call it "faith" doesn't change the bit of rationality, metaphysical virtues are generally not logically defensible and there is no greater assumption than god.
>>74895305
>imbligyn
redditors haet smug anime girls
no u need to go back
>>74887740
Why does the start of this chain need to be a sentient being? This does not prove anything
>>74895230
I've not met a single person that has believed in God that says they wasted their time or that it didn't help them in some way.
That is what research and scripture is for, it ends up pointing to one place.
That is where true faith comes in. It is really just a way to break the ice.
>>74887073
Nice mental gymnastics there
>>74895879
>I've not met a single person that has believed in God that says they wasted their time or that it didn't help them in some way.
Well I am someone who used to and it did not help me in anyway, and all it did was make me in fear of angering sky daddy
>>74895384
What? First, the Goddess is actually real and living, she can be seen and heard, her divinity can be witnessed, the opposite of your God. Second, she does not demand worship and there is no punishment for not praising her, the need to worship her is internal like an artist's need to create. A lightbulb does not care for moths just as the true divinity has no concern for supplicants.
>>74895772
That's a nice question straight from your first visit to /his/. Spend a little more time, you'll find out why.
Death is inevitable.
Sure there wasn't. Guess what though? The Bible has never been wrong. About anything.
I think both sides are equally retarded. There is as much empirical proof for the existence of a deity as there is for no deity. That is to say, none.
>>74895879
>I've not met a single person that has believed in God that says they wasted their time
Well obviously they're not going to say that since they believe they'll be going to heaven.
>That is what research and scripture is for, it ends up pointing to one place.
It does? How do you know the Christian God is the true God and not that of the many other religions that exist?
>That is where true faith comes in
Exactly, so what you've said isn't enough to get someone to actually believe in God, they can act like they do all they want but belief isn't something you just choose to do.
>>74894368
>Most people ITT that have studied a vast majority of religions end up at one.
>Most people ITT
Who are you pointing to?
>>74896121
I'm sorry to hear that.
>>74896142
Did this come from her? How did she communicate to you? How can we see her divinity? Show us.
>>74864464
does religion actually matter in 2016?
>>74893745
How do you know you believe in the right god, idiot?
>He's not Agnostic
>>74896349
As I said, research.
Obviously not, it is to break the ice. No one will ever believe because of what another person says when they want to base their life on a humean system. Nothing will sway them but two things, then self, or God coming down and saying hey dude I am real.
>>74893745
Good goyim keep worshiping the jew
>>74872072
Just ask your mom for the proof.
>>74896516
The Bible has never been wrong my friend. That is why. I'm not sure why this question matters at all yet, seeing as you don't believe in any sort of God to begin with. That question is for a later time.
>>74896702
>As I said, research.
So nothing that can be condensed into a 4chan post then. Also I get what you mean by break the ice now, fair enough.
>>74896884
you seem like a smug cunt nigger faggot! ;)
>>74896398
I wrote out some shit but I lost it so I'm just going to go watch Jeopardy!.
>>74897007
having the truth on your side does give you a wonderful feeling, yes.
>>74895772
>redditors hate anime
Yeah, that's exactly why there's like, 50 subreddits dedicated to it. Get off this board, you weeb faggot.
>>74896181
Nice deflection I was asking you why you prefer one over the other no amount of research would tell me that. There is no reason you're just bandwagoning.
>The Bible has never been wrong. About anything.
If you take it literally it is wrong from the very first page. If you treat it as a metaphor loose enough to never be wrong than you can't say it's ever been right about anything either.
>>74896980
No, thousands of years of history and hundreds of hours of reading cannot be condensed into a 4chan post.
Just studying the basic moral principles of each religion is a good start.
>>74897007
I'm sorry you feel that way about me. I don't mean to come across that way. If you can point out what I have said that makes you think that I would appreciate it, that way I can improve my communication skills and how I appear to others.
>>74864979
He said He is.
Isaiah 45
“Assemble yourselves and come;
Draw near together,
You who have escaped from the nations.
They have no knowledge,
Who carry the wood of their carved image,
And pray to a god that cannot save.
Tell and bring forth your case;
Yes, let them take counsel together.
Who has declared this from ancient time?
Who has told it from that time?
Have not I, the Lord?
And there is no other God besides Me,
A just God and a Savior;
There is none besides Me.
>>74897384
no
you're in weeb country fampai
>>74864548
>proving a negative
>>74897272
Very cute picture, with the way she bites her lip and all. Nonetheless, consider yourself reported.
>>74897424
How does one come to prefer one over another if they don't understand each of them? You don't, you can't. That is where research comes in.
If you believe yourself to be some heavy weight with all the answers, I recommend you take your questions to /his/.
>>74865155
Jesus was not assumed to be dead. He was executed by a professional execution detail of the Roman legion. He was beaten, flogged, struck, kicked, crucified, and finally a spear was driven through His heart, and water and blood separated came out. He was dead.
He was then embalmed, wrapped, and put in a sealed tomb.
At their first opportunity, the woman following Him attempted to finish the embalming process. It was a very busy holy week that forbid work to be done. But when they got to the tomb, the squad of soldiers guarding the tomb was gone. The enormous rock was rolled away. And the tomb was empty.
Thus began the process of the risen Christ Jesus revealing Himself to Mary Magdalene, Mary and the other Mary, the disciples but for Thomas, the disciples including Thomas, and then up to 500 men at a time, for 40 days following.
The resurrection of Jesus Christ is crucial. Had Jesus not been the perfect sacrifice for all of our sins, He would have been a sinner, as He took all of our sins upon Himself. Had He failed in any manner, any jot or any tittle of the Law left unfulfilled, Jesus would have stayed dead, and our hope would have died with Him.
>>74897514
>No, thousands of years of history and hundreds of hours of reading cannot be condensed into a 4chan post.
Sure it can. All of modern physics can be condensed into a handful set of fundamental equations. You should be able to do the same for your fundamental arguments. The fact you need a books worth of empty words to defend yourself suggests your belief system is built upon contradictions and rabbit-hole logic.
>>74897272
Those things are all true though. You just suffer from a normalcy bias.
>>74897770
Rules are rules, my friend. I don't dislike you, but let's keep the peace and order on this board.
>>74897424
There's nothing in the bible that is wrong, from the first page forward.
Are there things that people say are wrong? Sure. Is there a conflict? Sure.
Has the bible always been right, in all of the resolved conflicts so far?
Yup.
Ok /pol/
What makes your Christian god more real than the Jewish, Muslim, or Hindu god(s)?
>>74897966
Doesn't mean people will understand those equations. That is also a false equivalence.
>empty words
Words are all we have for conveying ideas. Words are all we have for recording events. There is no such thing as an empty word, and you even needed to use words to say that in the first place.
>>74897827
>If you believe yourself to be some heavy weight with all the answers
I don't and my question wasn't that hard. You just said you "prefer" one over the other though, apparently this is the basis of your guiding life philosophy a preference.
>>74898113
It literally says the earth was made in seven days m8
>>74898108
>shitty Reddit tier image
>mod bootlicking
Please be bait
>>74898123
There's only one God.
