The entry requirements for teaching is one of the lowest of any uni courses. Basically those who do teaching are the ones who weren't smart enough to get into anything else. Calling them professionals is a stretch. Most teachers have no real idea as to what they're doing and spend most of their time coming up with 'programs', attend meetings etc. that make it look like something is being done, but it is all BS. Why are governments and public in general so reluctant to criticise teachers? I'm mainly commenting about public school teachers (primary and secondary). I can't help but laugh when someone proudly tells me they're a teacher.
>>74846959
OP confirmed as a dumb fuck who doesn't know that education doesn't happen spontaneously. Just look at the differences between outcomes in different schools. Teachers already get a lot of criticism -- it's an underpaid, high-stress job with high burn-out rates and insufficient prestige. OP seems like the kind of sociopath who enjoys porn of kittens being crushed by stilettos.
>>74846959
My best friend dropped out of highschool and is a pothead and a drunk and hes only 20 but hes been teaching foreign kids english at a HIGH SCHOOL because he happens to speak 3 languages. Never been to college. Dropped out of highschool over a drug charge for pills. He is always hitting on the students, I mean, come on, hes just 20 himself and consent is age 16.
They let this man teach english to highschoolers. No he isnt an assistant. Hes got a classroom.
I agree OP. I know of ONE teacher who is actually smart. The rest are the sluts and chads who barely figured out high school. The go teach common core aka cultural Marxist indoctrination to our youth.
>>74846959
Those who can, do; those who can't, teach
>>74847147
High burn-out in teachers is usually caused by other teachers. Rates of bullying between teachers is extremely high. Also, your 'criticism' doesn't actually adress any of the points I've made.
>>74847247
Hey is he knows languages then by all means
Teaching in state schools is appalling. Probably best to just teach your kids yourself.
>>74847247
OP here, that just further enforces my point.
>>74846959
Some people care about the kids anon.
>>74846959
Public schools are a day care. If you want your kid to learn you have to teach. Too many people let school raise their kids.
>>74847329
THIS. This is the problem with our society. Our children are being taught (for the most part) by idiots.
>>74847147
>OP seems like the kind of sociopath who enjoys porn of kittens being crushed by stilettos.
man that takes me back.
>>74846959
public school teacher here
You are correct on many points and wrong on many points.
>Low entry requirements
Agreed. However most of the chaff quits after their first practical and the shit ones that stick around get shipped to remote schools. My class went from 35 at the start in 2006 to 4 graduates in 2010.
>not smart enough to get into anything else
I got 82 on my TER and still chose teaching for the work/life benefits and I genuinely enjoy it
>Calling them professionals is a stretch
I would say any level three teacher or above (HOLA, Deputy) is a professional
>spend most of their time appearing to do nothing
You have clearly never marked 150 essays in a single night before reports are due
>governments and public reluctant to criticise teachers
motherfucker we are one of the most demonised professions from the government (continual cuts to education budget for the last 8 years) and the public (tall poppy syndrome cunts who had a single shit teacher during their education/ went to a bottom feeding school)
>proudly telling anyone you're a teacher
I agree. It's better to keep silent and let your three months paid vacation speak for itself.
>>74847579
OP here. Couldn't agree more.
>>74847147
teachers get a lot of criticism because the quality control sucks and they can't get fired if they slip through the cracks for a few years
yes there is good hardworking teachers but there is just as many retards
>>74847404
It's the students and their families that cause the burn out. Yes, teaching doesn't necessarily attract the most talented graduates because it has too low pay and prestige. Good teachers have a considerable amount of training, especially in effective pedagogy. The best schools in the US (expensive prep schools) often hire teachers with PhDs. Governments are frequently critical of teachers, especially in the quantitative evaluation methods that are being introduced everywhere now -- pay bonuses are tied to how well teachers perform on some shitty dumbass scale.
You're obviously not going to be persuaded easily because you're the kind of dumb fuck who can't tell the difference between a really good teacher and a bad one. If you did, the question wouldn't even need asking.
>>74846959
You're right, OP. Your 2nd grade teacher that dared to criticize your special snowflake status was scum
>>74847643
Also, the low entry requirements is primarily designed to get Aboriginals and foreign ESL teachers to do the course so we can have half decent teachers in the WONDER THAT IS MULTICULTURAL AUSTRALIA.
e.g. teaching in Lakemba and Wheredafucksit
>>74846959
Here it happens something similar: Teaching degree is generally studied by people who is not able to study other degrees and because they think it's "easier". That people usually fail and those who study the degree because want to be teachers (like me) are mocked because "muh degree for retards". Teaching degree needs to increase its value.
>>74847891
Almost every 'it's gonna be easy' teacher I know (generally people who did liberal arts and changed to teaching) dropped out during the university course or left the profession forever after their first year fending for themselves. Secondary Education especially is brutal at weeding out the weak.
The other problem OP didn't mention are tenured teachers that are impossible to remove despite not giving a single shit/doing any work for the last five years and just waiting to retire.
Five years after graduation I'm working in a private boarding college with top quality students and a comfortable if not obscene salary.
>>74846959
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>>74847891
You're all missing the point anyway.
>>74847734
I'm around many teachers due to my profession (consultant) and I do acknowledge that there are good ones out there. I've had a couple when I was at school. But the overwhalming majority are morons. You or someone close to you is probably a teacher. This isn't directed at you/that person.
>>74847643
It's not paid vacation. We get paid for eight or nine months and we can choose to have that spread out over the full year. A lot of teachers get jobs as tutors or babysitters over the summer to make ends meet.
There's definitely bad teachers, but there's also a lot of really good teachers. I'm a teacher because I wanted to be someone the kids could talk to when they genuinely needed help and I wanted to help prepare them for college. My wife's a teacher because she realized as a teaching assistant that she's extremely good at it and wants to make a difference.
To stereotype all teachers with the "Those who can't do teach" saying is dumb. I was perfectly capable in my job working for a state conservation organization, I just didn't feel happy or like I was making a difference. When I teach I feel like what I'm doing matters and I work very hard to make sure it does.
Should i become a teacher?
Im not really a high maintenance guy and i don't get stressed easy, i dont really mind kids
Im not a dumb guy but kinda lazy
There isn't really anything i see myself doing, should i become a teacher?
>>74848924
In America it's an extremely shit deal unless you score a private school or teach tertiary.
You have very low paid teachers and you can get shot.
Being a lazy shit will quickly get you stressed out as fuck once the work piles up.
>>74847147
this
also
>flag
>>74848651
>It's not paid vacation. We get paid for eight or nine months
In Australia we get paid for vacation time. Our wages are also quite generous in comparison. I'm on $84K working at a private school.
What subject do you teach?
>>74846959
Teachers aren't really the problem, educational administrators (especially state and national ones) are. They are the ones who implement shit like common core and NCLB, and they effectively hobble public schools with coursework that is designed to teach only what is on state standardized tests.
>>74847636
I wish anyone who got off on this is fucking killed like the worthless degenerate they are. I hope that chick is executed.
>>74849238
God that sounds nice.
I teach high school upper level bio courses and my wife teaches 4th grade. All the private schools here are religious so we need to be a member of the parish for another year before we can teach in them. In Oklahoma our combined salaries still don't match yours.
>>74848432
I'm around many consultants due to my profession and find they're usually mercenary thickheads who would sell their granny for improved profits and some good restructuring. Some teachers are not so great; some are great. In general, education is the most important attribute a society can provide for it's children (beyond basic health, shelter, and nutrition). The capacity for education is what makes us the most exceptional of animals. We should be doing everything we can to enhance and maximize the possibilities of education so we all live longer (this link is proven), more happily, and with better self-understanding. Greater emphasis on the value of education at all levels would also prevent the unending torrent of bilious retardation and spleen that is /pol/.
>>74849157
Highly educated Westerner here enjoying a jolly vacation.
The worst thing is when matriarchy happens.When the schools is corrupt and criminal, and the teachers are woman-only or some 65 years old PE fucktard you are doomed to live like in prison and fight every day.
>>74849942
Don't stress the purchasing power parity in the USA means your money goes further anyway. A pint of beer in Australia will cost you $8-10 for example.
We have the same restriction on our religious private schools however my current school isn't religious. It's a godsend (excuse the pun)- all the luxuries of a private college with no compulsory mass or religious education. We still have horror public schools with lower paid teachers. In Victoria (home of cuckbourne) especially you are likely to get a shit, violent, multiculti school and low pay $40-50K AUD (which is what, $30K USD?)
>>74850194
This is also true. I encounter militant feminists when I network with other schools regularly.
I always had great respect for many of my high school teachers, especially in the HSC.
To the OP, the majority of uni kids doing teaching end up dropping out/can't find a teaching job. Only the actually competent and smart ones land teaching jobs. Don't shit on teachers.
I actually considered becoming a teacher, i would really like to teach and guide kids, but i simply don't want the shit pay.
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>>74850302
btw, i always wondered what the teachers thought of the really hot girls in highschool.
Do you ever jack off to any of them? What's your thoughts? Stories?
>>74846959
I can´t agree with that.
>>74846959
what is the alternative?
>>74849979
>that is /pol/
If you are so disgusted with this site, why the fuck did you come on here only to play out your useless self-imporant fantasies you fucking faggot?
Also:
>Highly educated Westerner
M'lady. Hang yourself along with your wet dreams of meme education magic.
OP is spot on. If you pay attention you'll quickly realize how often these people feed lies and misinformation to impressionable young minds. Professors are disgusting. Sad!
>>74851126
Teachers are always aware of the attractiveness of their students. But the only way to play it is to have a look-but-don't-touch policy. I've had students get quite flirty too, but again the same policy applies. Often they're just seeking affirmation or feedback about their attractiveness and doing this with a relatively safe authority figure / father substitute. Generally, this flirty behavior doesn't actually mean they want to have sex with you. And if you do take it that far, even if it's legal, there's every chance that they will tell their friends because they're so fucking immature that they can't be trusted. It's way, way, way safer to pursue your pleasures elsewhere. Keep the teacher-student stuff in fantasy and porn.
>>74851126
I'm aware of the hot girls but I don't do anything with them. I let them flirt with me and there are several that wear low cut tops when they want something from me. But I also want them to know that if they ever seriously need something I can be there for them, and I'm fairly certain that if they knew I was fucking their best friend they wouldn't come to me for help.
That being said, when I was a TA for college there was one girl who was really hot but doing poorly in her section. So she transferred over to my section and started blatantly trying to seduce me. We did attendance quizzes and she would write answers that were really inappropriate.
Q: What is an example of a voluntary muscle?
A: The tongue, my tongue can make all your muscles involuntary
Q: What were you supposed to read for class today
A: I forgot because I was so excited to see you again
And things like that. I started keeping a log of all of these things and told my supervisor about it because I was really uncomfortable. One day after class she followed me to my car. I assumed we had just parked close to each other but when we got to my car she tried to kiss me. She got in several pecks and shoved her whole body up against me. I pushed her away and immediately called my boss. And then I called my wife because I felt awful about it.
She was put in a different section but I think that destroyed my desire to jack off to my students. It was just too real. Before that happened I did a few times.
>>74846959
/pol/:
>TEACHERS ARE MARXIST SHILLS WHO SPREAD JEWSIH DIS-INFO THAT CONFLICT WITH MY WARPED VIEW OF THE WORLD
Normal People:
>Teachers are people who teach, who by human nature have tons of different views but most of the time try their best to not use this to influence political or moral opinion, and just teach the curriculum as best they can. Sure there are bad eggs, but its better than having no education system.
>>74847147
>Just look at the differences between outcomes in different schools
A majority of differences in outcome can probably be explained by the backgrounds of the parents of kids who go to that school
also RARE
>>74846959
>Why are governments and public in general so reluctant to criticise teachers?
>public reluctant to criticise teachers
Why color is the sky on your planet?
>>74855595
This doesn't explain it. Look at VCE scores, for instance, and check the consistently excellent performance of Melbourne Grammar, Scoth College, MLC, and the like. Then look at how this correlates against university performance. The kids who go to excellent private schools with great teachers tend to overperform in high school. Then at uni, the students who went to shitty country high schools tend to do better (if they can even get in). These country students were held back by their shitty teachers. Private school kids get an artificial boost from their well-trained, well-paid teachers. If it was just educational background of parents or wealth of parents then we'd see a completely different pattern.
>>74855969
I think it's more likely that country kids just grow up in a more relaxed, social environment that prepares them well for later life. Where I went to school the teachers helped quite a bit with preparations for the HSC etc, but having been to a pretty bottom tier school (violent, drug filled etc) and one of the top schools in NSW, I can say with some certainty that no matter how competent the teacher, they would not be able to prepare their students if half their classes were composed of mouth breathing retards with parents who don't even speak English.
Possibly more importantly, most of the very high scores I saw from my high school can be safely blamed on long term, elaborate preparation outside school hours, with tutors and with self study. None of that would have been possible without parents who actually cared about the education of their children and took some responsibility upon themselves to do what they could. Bad parents have a strong tendency to just shriek about how awful and incompetent the teachers must be if their little angel keeps getting sent home for lighting fires in class
>>74847643
>tall poppy syndrome cunts who had a single shit teacher during their education/ went to a bottom feeding school
I love how you statist cunts brag about how great forced public school is, then wash your hands of any of the wrong doing when you're caught lying. Public school teachers are useful idiots used to control the breeding patterns of the plebs. They are personally responsible for making sure each new generation is more robotic, and autistic than the last. They are the greatest threat to mankind's future prosperity. Forced atavism is all they bring, but they're so dumb they think they're saints.
It's been shown over and over again that average Joe can home school a kid better than most college educated public school teachers. They are all collectivists, living a collectivist lifestyle, propagating themselves by kidnapping other's children, and taking away their needs if they don't conform.
>>74846959
>Why are governments and public in general so reluctant to criticise teachers?
Because their fucking women and they play the victim card.
It's funny how everyone agrees the US Education System sucks and yet no one will put the blame where it needs to go -- the bimbos in charge of it. All the dumbass girls I went to high school with are now teaching at my high school. I graduated in 05. We're not even 30.
What the fuck do they know about anything? And yet they're in charge of teaching the youth. I feel cheapskated on my education, I could of been a lot smarter if we had better teachers.
>>74847329
And that's another thing. The dumb sluts get in charge of teaching and they perpetuate the system's problems. Basically they focus all their time and attention on the popular, good-looking kids, the athletes, etc instead of the kids who are actually trying to succeed and do something with their lives. So all the biggest retards end up with all the resources.
My first step in solving the problem is making a gender split requirement, 50/50 men and women. And all teachers have to be above the age of 30 so they're at least somewhat more mature than the students.
>>74856595
I disagree completely. I went to a shitty rural Australian high school and then a boarding school. The graduation rate at the country high school from year 7 to year 12 was less than ten percent. The teachers hated their jobs. It was definitely one of the worst schools in the state. Produced plenty of good footy players, but fuck all else. Then at my boarding school, there were plenty of students who grew up in non-English speaking backgrounds who topped the state in their subjects. Most of my peers from the shitty high school have gone on to be very unremarkable farmers or criminals. Most of my peers from the good boarding school are professionals and some have made a major impact in their fields with PhDs, etc. A lot of the difference comes down to the quality, commitment, and dedication of the teachers. Family life matters as well -- no disagreement there. I just think that teachers get a bad run, especially in Australia, and that the society would benefit greatly from people appreciating what they do and rewarding them appropriately, instead of just dumping turds on them for doing a hard job.
>>74846959
I'm a science teacher, I had to have science BSc degree to apply for a teaching course. Maybe UK standards are higher, it's not like they take just anyone.
It's hard work, there are so many different demands on your time, you can't have an easy day when feeling sick by keeping your head down in the office, you have to be constantly ready to perform for 25-30 kids at a time and manage their quirks and tantrums and get work done, because it's your fault for not making lessons engaging enough if they're lazy and don't work.
And you're constantly told by people with no actual teaching experience how to do your job better; politicians, parents, journalists, people on the Internet, etc. Most people can't hack teaching more than a couple of years because of the stress and negativity of it.
>>74846959
>H bomb
>>74856983
A boarding school isn't really comparable to a regular high school, students there are a select group and in a far more controlled environment.
You're also unlikely to get much dedication and effort out of your teachers if they can see the things they say going in one ear and out the other, are constantly having to break up fights or have to spend too much time bringing the bottom section of the class up to scratch because they started off well behind their classmates and never caught up. I don't believe in the ideology behind "superteachers" style policies where they think that increasing requirements for teaching degrees and demanding postgraduate education will make teachers much better at their jobs. In probably the majority of schools across Australia, teachers are never going to end up discussing more advanced topics etc with more than a couple of students in each class. We keep piling responsibility for how kids turn out onto teachers, when they are going to spend more time (and more important time in many ways) around their parents and peers, who are primarily shaped by their own parents.
>>74857922
I wouldn't mind at all if there was more effort put into creating supportive educational environments at home (like families owning plenty of books or reading a lot to kids as they grow up), but it takes a generation or two for this to change. Education needs to be valued more greatly in general for changes like this to take place. It just grinds my gears when people in Australia (and elsewhere) dump on education and when they should be doing the opposite. Australia especially should perform way better than it does on international educational indicators, but unfortunately we instead spent the money from the minerals boom on McMansions, more roads, and shitty Internet infrastructure.
>>74858730
>Australia especially should perform way better than it does on international educational indicators
Just imagine how third world we'd look if not for the nerdy little Asian kids. Usually from the third world themselves, ironically enough.
>tfw had a really qt teacher when I was in school lads.
>>74855969
you're basically arguing that education is something we can throw money at and that the lowliest of the lows would be just as "elite" as any other trustfund baby if they went to the same schools.
this has been shown time and time again to be false. you can't put followers in a leadership position and expect leadership.
>>74859931
No, my argument is basically that:
1. Education should be a society's highest priority (once basic conditions of living and health are established).
2. Australia and most other Western countries spend a disproportionately low amount of GDP on education and that relatively in most Western countries this has been going down for decades.
3. The status and importance of education needs to be raised in the eyes of most people.
4. People should stop dumping on teachers who are already, for the most part, quite badly treated.
5. That all humans absolutely have a capacity for significant learning and that this is a principle of absolute egalitarianism and equality: " Emancipation is becoming conscious of this equality of nature." For more on this, check out Rancière's The Ignorant Schoolmaster: Five Lessons in Intellectual Emancipation.
This doesn't mean unlimited funding for education but it does mean it should be funded at a higher level than defense or road building, and that, most of all, it should be at the center of the values of a sophisticated, developed society.
>>74860888
>it should be funded at a higher level than defense
>implying the preservation of the very existence and independence of the nation isn't a presupposition for an education system and prosperity
>>74861257
Here's a Collins-class submarine for you -- emblem of defense wastefulness, uselessness, and incompetence. Final cost: A$50 billion for six submarines. Annual operating cost: $630 million a year to maintain, or $105 million for each submarine.
Compare this to the whole Australian Department of Education's budget of $489 million (5.10% of GDP).
These submarines turn out to be basically useless anyway. This is why military spending is a disgrace and embarrassment in Australia. All responsible should be court martialled.
I've been thinking of becoming a teacher because the profession needs to be saved and I don't really have any passion, desire or talent for anything else. ye or nah
>>74861689
If Defence spending was actually regarded as vital to the nation, those responsible would be racked a few times, as is most military spending is just a sop to electorates and organisations that might have been thinking of voting the other way or abandoning their support of the government of the day
>>74847329
>Indiana refuses to use Common Core
Feels good, man.
>Indiana also has a crippling teacher shortage
Feels bad, man.
>>74861989
You have to want to teach or you'll never justify the stress and effort it requires. If you don't have that genuine drive you'll utterly hate it.
>>74846959
Sauce please?
>>74862236
Common Core is a good thing.
>>74850194
school is oppression!
now come to Poland and work as a builder
>>74862498
My mom will be home from grocery shopping any time now!
Quickly my brothers! Time is of the essence!
>>74862505
>>74862971
Take one look at the people on viral facebook math posts that clearly don't understand why math works the way it is written.
>>74862917
Bridgette B
Literally 0.42 seconds in google, you danish fuck
>>74863132
You have my eternal gratitude noble knight.
>>74863084
Most of those viral posts are because of shitty problems in writing the problem out, like failing to put parentheses, or chunking the problem like any good teacher would do when teaching math.
>>74863650
You mean because the equation doesn't feature redundant handicaps that anyone that understands math properly can mamage without.
>>74846959
Primary school teacher here - noice b8 phamalama.
>tfw I did 4 yrs at uni
>tfw I had to hand in many assignments for peer review
>tfw I had more prac (ontop of study) than any other course that I was aware of
>tfw I have regular PDs which are spent studying (NOT at the pub!)
>tfw, sadly a lot of time I spend doing extra study/PD is actually spent boning up on changes to curriculum since govt. is a cunt when it comes to not being able to make up it's fucking mind....
OP confirmed as having attended a private school. Hope you got more out of your publicly funded education than the ability to shitpost on 4chinz m8!
I'm a 6-8 grade science teacher. I get enough money to live and live an enjoyable, full life. The time I really feel bad is when I get on 4chan to remember how shit everything this is.
No I won't redpill my students.
>>74863841
So if any one can "mamage" without them, then why bother with common core? What do you feel is the appeal of the program?
>>74864297
Do you do a lot of practical work and demonstrations?
>>74863862
I almost answered something seriously.
>then I looked at the flag
>>74847414
there is a difference between knowing something, teaching something and even being able to teach yourself. I realized when I tried tutoring latin, that I clearly had no idea how to teach people. Never tried it again.
>>74864407
As much as possible. I'm not working with high schoolers so there's a lot I'm not able to do. I also maintain a website separate from the school's that has a ton of information on it for my courses
>>74864551
>I'm not working with high schoolers so there's a lot I'm not able to do
What sort of things can't you do? Can you do the magnesium in water thing? I loved that one.
>>74848924
>Im not really a high maintenance guy and i don't get stressed easy, i dont really mind kids
>Im not a dumb guy but kinda lazy
>There isn't really anything i see myself doing, should i become a teacher?
absolutely, just supplement your income by selling drugs and upskirt videos.
>>74864473
Oh god, Hungary trying to shitstir Australia......
>remedial activities are built in the curricula to help pupils
>’second chance’ programmes have been initiated.
https://ec.europa.eu/europeaid/education-hungary_en
>>74864705
I can show a lot of things to them, but can't have them do much because the school things they'll fuck it up. Like burn themselves on a simple reaction.
>>74864366
Common core teaches the student what the equation is saying as opposed to what functions they should be using.
To put it bluntly 3 x (1/3) is three times a third. Making the answer one because you have three thirds making a whole.
Some people are unable to comprehend this without being pushed through common core and being forced to draw it all out.
>>74846959
This is literally true.
We even have a saying:
"Those who know, do, those who don't know, teach."
Only in universities do the teachers begin to know their shit. All the rest were basically rejected by all other jobs, so they had to settle for it.
>>74847636
MODS!!!
>>74865215
And those who can't teach, teach gym.
>if you can't do, teach
I don't get what people want. If you take away more benefits and prestige from teachers less people will want to go into teaching, good teachers included. If there are less teachers the classes are bigger. If the classes are bigger the teacher has less time and ability to reach individual students and the teacher is less effective. Home schooling would require a parent to stay home and most coupled can't afford to have one parent not working.
There will always be shitty teachers, but you need to have retention to make the job appealing to actually good ones.
>>74846959
You make good points. Also, don't forget about teachers' unions. Teachers are the only people that call themselves professionals but also unionize like general/semiskilled workers.
>>74865486
Higher standards required to become a teacher, more pay. Give them more power in the classroom, here teachers can't even throw out students out of class for disruption.
That alone is enough to lure people to become teachers. Also leads to more qualified, smarter teachers, who will do a better job at educating the next generation, and the better educated generation will improve upon it further.
>>74847643
>>74848651
I can agree there's plenty of dumb motherfuckers who claim teaching is a joke. There's probably an especially high population of them on /pol/. It also pains me that many teachers are in constant fear of losing their jobs to little Johnny Douchebag Who Could Do No Wrong and his litigious parents. However, you have to admit that the system is broken, and the public's dissatisfaction with school systems is often well founded.
I think many teachers aren't paid enough, but there are plenty that are overpaid as well. Some schools in my area pay a starting salary of $50k and only require a bachelor's degree. When you combine that with 3 months + of paid vacation, it gets a little ridiculous. For that reason, I can understand (but not necessarily agree with) the public voting for lower funding.
I have a number of friends who work as teachers. They're fairly smart, but the things they bitch about don't compare to what I do on a daily basis. For comparison's sake, I work as a public librarian. It has greater educational requirements at an entry level, and pays half as much as teachers do on average. Job security is even rarer, as the public can arbitrarily decide you're not necessary and close the whole system down come election season. Teachers have the benefit of punishing students with suspensions, lowered grades, and calling parents. When a kid shows up at a library and starts shit, the most we can do is politely ask that he stop and threaten to warn him a second time. In the past week, I've had to mop piss out of the elevator, repair a computer that someone punted, deal with an ant infestation, and give an instructional class on using our catalog to the idiotic public. I would gladly trade all of that for a couple late nights a year.
>>74855969
>This doesn't explain it
Bullshit he is right
If you compare here the education of the 80s and 90s generations the 90s are lazy self entitled drooling retards and yet the teachers were the same
>>74856776
This made me wonder a lot of shit when I was graduating
>About to graduate high school
>Girls I know, who were, and still are, glammy sluts who do nothing but take selfies at night clubs and events, and know absolutely nothing were getting accepted to CA Unis along the beaches like on TV. They were getting decent grades in school, yet somehow knew fuckall.
>Meanwhile, all honest hard-working men could only get into the community college next door
>They studied their asses off, critically brainstormed, and questioned shit
>Passed with a C average, some even a passing D.
How? How did these girls get such higher grades and go to expensive universities, but were dumb as rocks?
>>74867377
Girls mature a bit faster and generally do better in school around ages 16-17. Even the ones with massive tits and raging hormones are probably doing a half-way decent job with their studies. Girls are also placed under more social pressure to conform, so they tend to be more conscientious, whereas boys are more inclined to rebel and say "fuck off." There's also a small phenomenon of bias in grading towards attractiveness (reported in the Chronicle of Higher Ed, but can't be bothered finding a source). But it works the other way too -- female teachers tend to be slight more biased against female students than male students are biased in favor of attractive female students. The biases roughly cancel each other out.
Most boys don't realize how much more mature their same age peers are until years later. Boys usually catch up at around 18 or 19. But in the meantime, these smart, sexually attractive girls are getting plenty of approval while spotty, awkward little teen boys are just raging about the virginity. It sucks how human development is so uneven. Though it could be worse -- at least we're not fucking praying mantises, while the males are minuscule and get eaten by the females after sex. Maybe /pol/ can relate.
>>74846959
It depends, nothing is ever one way. Some teachers are highly paid and highly motivated to get their students good grades, they bend the rules, cheat, coach for examinations and are shady in every possibly capacity, complicit in creating the upper class that goes on to exploit the system of money breeding money.
Some teachers are inattentive, uncaring, pencil pushing idiots who could not do anything else and decided to do this.
Some teachers are passionate about science, or learning, or coaching, or helping young people achieve a meaning to their lives through the pursuit of an education.
A real education is an enriching experience because it opens the doors to self-learning and peaks latent curiosity in a young and developing mind. This system is how we have so many luxuries, riches and technological improvements in the world.
For most people, an education is a pathway to a job. For some few people an education is a key that unlocks a door for them to changing the world.
A teacher handles both brilliant students and slow students in the same class, the juggle the responsibility of teaching the test and teaching the student, of helping map out careers and encouraging self-education and curiosity.
You don't really become a teacher once you get your qualifications. Not even after you've been teaching for a few years. I firmly believe you become a teacher when you know you've changed someone's life. You see a spark in them. Maybe after many years of teaching a student gets in touch with you again, and they tell you about their life and how that one class they took when they were just a kid inspired them to do great things.
A teacher is a parent of knowledge and discovery. You should not paint all teachers with the same brush, some are caring individuals who want their students to succeed.
Not in my personal experience though, all my teachers were social fuck ups who were clearly just getting by.
