ITT: You explain why you're a blue pill Statist fag.
hard mode: no social contract.
ultra mode: no roads
Quads and I adopt your ideology for 1 week.
Ancap is just a return to feudalism and oligarchy.
>>74828846
don't you have a video game to be ruining?
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>>74829336
what's with the recent invasion of leftypol faggots?
also
>stirner
>"the concept of spook can be a spook as well"
>not a meme ideology
>>74829116
Ok, it is the 43th time I saw this guy this week alone.
Who the fuck is he?
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>>74829269
These stirner memes stink of reddit, so cringey
I fucking love stirnerposters.
>>74829219
Do you like, have a folder of moldy overaged memes against anarcho-capitalism?
Also all of them are SO low energy
>>74828846
Because might makes right, and states win wars.
>>74829441
Stirner, a faggot according to whom everything is a "spook". basically everything is just a social construct.
He'sTumblr's precursor
>>74828846
Because I don't live in a third world.
>>74829144
this one is funny because the creator of the comic STILL has less of an argument than his caricature
>>74829435
>meme ideology
>Oh god
>>74829545
Not everything, just ideology.
>>74828955
"I quit"
>>74828955
Daily reminder that there is literally nothing wrong with anarcho-feudalism
>>74829562
such a spicy response
>>74829663
"I refuse to sell you food until you get back to work."
>>74829545
So a proto "how can things be real if our eyes aren't real"?
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>>74829633
>it's not an ideology because I fight the concept of ideology! t. Stirner
>It's not fascism despite the fact that I act exactly like blackshirts to fight fascism! t. antifa
>>74829542
by this magical positivistic dogma we really ought just to drift along, agreeing with whatever authority figure happens to be over us
>>74829782
Pretty much on the same level
>>74828846
Because I love sucking dick and I'm terrified of my neighbors, colored people and guns
>>74829793
There's no word for anti-ideology, so ideology will have to do.
>>74829767
I'll find food elsewhere
>>74829855
Works for me.
>>74829897
Good luck when I own all the land surrounding your mud hut. If you trespass you're violating the NAP so I can shoot you.
>>74829708
You don't have to try it.
>>74828955
What is wrong with that?
>>74829880
And the guy is supposed to be a what exactly?
Ultra pro big gov? Anarchist? Failed troll trying to pose as one of the previous two?
Also, is he alive still? Can he be made into a good old-fashioned follow? This is important.
Cuz big government with strong nationalised utilities, services and welfare is pretty comfy desu.
>>74829971
Do you have an understanding of the teachings of our Lord and Savior HHH, or are just randomly repeating uneducated guesses? Also bear in mind your horrible examples are also state behaviour (and not, as you imagine, ancap behaviour)
can we get some HIGH ENERGY posts?
>>74830252
>follow
Meant lolcow, stupid autocorrect
>>74829608
Only if you're a shit for brains ancap.
>>74829971
Even if you had somehow magically acquired all this land (protip-it's very expensive to buy the last of something) without having conceded any right of usage to anyone else (even more expensive, not that we weren't talking about a fantasy scenario from the start) The non-aggression principle doesn't allow disproportionate response. You can kick me off your land in a direction of my choosing and demand compensation for damages ($0).
Even if your fantasy scenario did, you've gone to ridiculous lengths to do what governments do regularly, so AnCap is still far better than the current system.
>>74830252
A failed mix of anarchism and nihilism.
Basically a "just fuck my shit up" ideology
https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Stirner
he's long dead
>>74830272
Nothing stops people from acting like a feudalistic might makes right despot when you remove democratic institutions and collective power.
>>74830256
You can pay for the services you like without being forced to in a free market desu-sushi-hoheishidan-samsung
>>74830272
Why would I read philosophy? I'm a nihilist, I don't care about that. I just like making fun of ancaps because their ideology is obviously impractical and they take it so seriously.
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>>74830388
>/pol/
>democratic institutions
>>74830390
He means that he can have these things at the expense of others, while doing nothing but jerking off to anime in his basement.
>>74830371
Buying all the land and pseudo-legally enslaving workers is hardly "ridiculous lengths", considering the benefits (free shit and a life of leisure for me and my progeny). Also, you don't get to choose where *I* kick you off *my* land to. You're back at your hut, buddy.
>>74829542
So why didn't Rome manage to conquer the non statist society Germania and in the end actually got BTFO'd by them?
>>74830428
>do not need philosophy
>that itself is a philosophy
>isthisafuckingmemeorwhat.jpeg
>>74828846
A nation needs a state like a cowboy needs a revolver. Without that a nation can't defend it's self.
>>74830671
Are you aware of the concept of confederation?
>>74830756
Modern war requires conscription do to the nature of attrition in modern war.
>>74830615
>exceptions make the rule
>>74830633
Just because it has a name doesn't mean it's a philosophy. Nothing isn't a thing, even though it's a word.
>>74830508
And why the fuck would that bother you?
Isn't that real freedom?
>>74830508
This right here man. Except the basement part, obviously.
>>74830821
So basically assuming your poi to be true, you'll become ancap as soon as robot soldiers become the norm, right?
These threads are so pointless.
You can't convince statists.
>>74831027
But you can oppress ancaps!
>>74831027
go live in Somalia if you like stateless societies so much
>>74831008
I don't trust robots. Too many weak points. Also the robot army would still require a state to manage it.
Also spies, infiltrators are still a danger.
>>74831053
Yep
>>74831109
Hurr durr
Go suck my dick if you like sucking dicks so much
>>74831109
QUICK GIVE ME ROADS
>>74831053
Good luck.
>>74831203
>this is the best retort anarchoanythings can come up with
You have the possibility of moving to a stateless society which according to you would be paradise. Why won't you do it?
Because I am the state
>>74831300
With what? I don't have to do shit, the state does it for me! Enjoy being the next "free man on the land" that gets tased for my viewing pleasure.
>>74828846
social contract has devolved into a ponzi scheme at the expense of newcomers anyway
>>74831246
again, if stateless societies are so good, why not move there? I think the last of Somalia's problems are roads, you are the one who brought this up.
Why don't anarchists move to anarchic societies? Please explain this to me
>>74831346
Funny thing, I respect this fucking meme right there more than most other Statist figures, at least he was honest.
>>74831327
>stateless society
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Somalia
You have the possibility to suck my dick, which would be perfect according to your ideology, so why won't you do it?
>>74831438
there are illiterate niggers in Somalia anon, those would wreak havoc even in an organized society
OTOH Mises institute did a study on Somalian libertarianism but I can't be bothered to look it up for you
>>74831512
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Somalia
Huh, looks like in the absence of a state, one formed on its own! Imagine that.
>>74831512
>Due to the long absence of governmental regulation
Sounds like the closest thing we currently have to an anarchic society. Or are you saying that real anarchism is impossible since people will band together and thus in the log run states/cities/communities will form anyway?
>You have the possibility to suck my dick, which would be perfect according to your ideology, so why won't you do it?
Why are 14 years old so obsessed with dicks? Projecting much?
>>74830544
You apparently don't know much about economics. You don't and never will be able to afford to pay for the land that closes me off from the rest of the world. It is an absurd scenario for me to let myself be enclosed like that anyway. I would have to have walked in with no guarantee of a way out (note that people only ever enter land on the assumption that they are allowed to leave).
Nothing in the non-aggression principle specifies where you are sent off. forcing me into the mud hut for harmless incursion onto your land is beyond what is justified, is equivalent to involuntary slavery no matter how you've arranged your paperwork.
I'll repeat this for you, you've created an absurd fantasy scenario but still failed to do anything worse than what government does every day.
Counter scenario for you, I am in control of a government, and use this power to starve 7 million ukranians to death. How does government ensure that this never happens.
>>74831438
Why are you not on Valhalla right now? quick explain me this!
perhaps because that fucking asspit was a Statist shithole for millennia, and the point when it has no state is only after it has already been raped more than the average European pussy?
so low energy
>>74831593
my sides have already killed me
>>74831642
And niggers kill and rape without being instructed to do so. That must also be a good thing.
Utilitarian here so i don't care about any ideologies, only about outcomes, and states seem to function better than non-states. I don't know why but i don't need to, anymore than i need to know why gravity works to know it exists.
>>74831593
what's preventing all those niggers to move in to a stateless society? Private property? NAP? What if 2000 armed somalis showed up at someone's property and asked to give them everything?
>>74831778
Oh god
>>74831867
their mobile network was quite a success with considerable recorded growth over the years
>>74831927
their lack of hard currency prevents them from paying smugglers, Somalibro - the English teacher that posts here - stated that only hardcore criminals and pirates are able to afford it and that the majority earns around 60$ a month
>>74831914
Well you must surely see the 19th century examples to realize a free market is generally speaking, THE best provider of goods and services in everything we allowed it to operate on. but my interest is other. what about the utility monster?
>>74831794
what? Valhalla? What are you talking about?
Btw you guys really seem to be obsessed with sex and genitalia. There's something Freudian about it.
Also why do you think Somalia is a shithole? It has very few regulations and is the closest thing to anarchy we have on the planet. Again, if you don't want to move there you are just an hypocrite
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>>74831745
Yep, real anarchism is impossible since states will form eventually. That's why I'm a libertarian who prefers a small state with a strong constitution defining what the state can and can't do.
It really depends at what point you start calling something a state, tho.
Is a village that pools resources for defense or to build infrastructure already a state? Is taxation a requirement to be a state?
Oh, and do you live in a state that is closest to your ideal form of societal organisation? Maybe half of /pol/ should go to Turkey or Israel, or maybe there are african shithole that are even more nationalist or fascist?
>>74832067
I was aware of that yes.
>>74832067
>hard currency
currency is a statist concept. How would currency work in a stateless society? Who would manage monetary policy?
I imagine a society without a state would rely on barter. What if those nigs barter goats fora boat ride?
>>74832088
>statist for millennia
>still a contested state
>are you a fucking meme or something?
>>74832278
I don't understand what you mean. What the hell is Valhalla? Do you mean the pagan version of paradise? How would one move there?
>>74832233
I'm using the term because that's how it is in reality
gold/silver did the trick just fine for most of recorded history until Americans figured out they cannot swindle the rest of the world out of wealth if they keep using it
>>74832233
It's not a statist concept.
Look up the Hanse and their currency exchanges. Just because the state has taken over currency doesn't mean it invented it.
Just like roads.
Or is currency the new roads meme?
>without a state, who would print the money?!
>>74832162
>Is a village that pools resources for defense or to build infrastructure already a state? Is taxation a requirement to be a state?
yea it's called city states. We used to have those before nationalism started and we created countries.
>
Oh, and do you live in a state that is closest to your ideal form of societal organisation?
No, but I'm not the one advocating we remove completely the society we built over the course of the centuries and open our borders
>inb4 libertarians don't want open borders
Gary Johnson begs to differ
>>74832424
>current year
>money becomes the new roads meme
>>74832535
dude just respect property rights (no taxation or arbitrary regulation) and I don't really care what you call your society, I would live in it, and pay for it.
>>74828846
Because humans are primates who live in hierarchically organized social groups.
Humans are "statist" by nature.
>>74832700
hierarchically organized |= state
>>74832390
>gold/silver
the gold standard already proved it's limits in the past. Look, I agree that monetary policies all over the world are fucked nowadays, but returning to the gold standard would castrate a lot of economies. Canada would be fucked for example, yet they have a decent economy
>>74832424
see above for gold standard. I was talking about fiat currencies.
>>74832535
>I'm not the one advocating we remove completely the society we built over the course of the centuries and open our borders
Who is advocating that?
I certainly didn't. I just said you can't convince statists.
>open borders
Do you really want to go there again?
It's not libertarians or anarchists who opened Europes borders. It was socialists, maybe even communists, and probably zionists as well. The people who are forcing open borders in our world are statists of the highest order, the opposite of anarchists or libertarians.
Conflating the two is very ignorant and further proof that it's useless to argue with you.
>>74832612
>dude just respect property rights (no taxation or arbitrary regulation)
So that's it? The only reason to abolish the state are taxes? Hell move to a country like Monaco and you won't have any taxes, only the expenses for you home if you wish. It's still not a stateless society
Explain to me why it is negative to unite humanity under one collective, provide for them to willingly do what is demanded of them to progress the human race, and then dissolve the state in its final phase?
>>74832776
Well I was not talking about the gold standard. Cryptocurrency is stateless as well, for example.
You were simply wrong when you said that currency was a statist concept.
>>74832755
At this point you are arguing semantics
>>74832862
You really know your shit
>>74832700
not really statist, more like tribalist even though the end result is similar, only in tribalist society an individual is personally familiar with all other members of the tribe and probably enjoys greater transparency in government than any other system plus people are more inclined to help one of their own than some random member of a broader society
>>74832776
perhaps it's time we reconsidered the economy, this perpetual growth to fuel state's ponzi schemes and do the bidding of powerful corporations will break sooner or later, so not really an argument in favour of eliminating precious metals
>>74832900
ARBITRARY
REGULATIONS
>>74832904
property rights
you know what, fuck it.
>>74832862
>It's not libertarians or anarchists who opened Europes borders. It was socialists, maybe even communists, and probably zionists as well
and people are starting to vote against that. You know why? Because they have a concept of "foreigner", which was created due to the idea of state/community/country call it what you want.
Also
>muh zionists
really? Come on we are having a decent discussion, let's not fall into memes
>>74832904
Because it would require violence to 'unite' humanity, which would be unethical. Also humanity is way to heterogeneous to simply be united.
And when has a state ever voluntarily given up its power?
>>74832942
let's not then, any hierarchically organized society is "good" if it is voluntary, with no unclear poorly defined social contracts, respecting property rights.
>>74832941
>Cryptocurrency
I honestly don't know what that is, sorry
>>74832984
we definitely need to get rid of some Ponzi schemes such as pensions, but the reality is that in the modern world fiat currencies are much more flexible than precious metals. You can't fight deflation by printing more gold
>>74832999
So laws? Laws you don't agree with can be modified or amended if enough people agree with you. A set of laws would exist in any libertarian society anyways, while an anarchical society would inevitably end up forming states with their own set of rules by aggregating people who reason in a similar way
>>74833035
I'm not falling into memes, I just included them for /pol/ sake.
The concept of foreigners has not been invented by the state, either. Idk why you keep attributing things to the state, you really need to stop that because it seems to warp your whole world view.
People are naturally 'xenophobic' to some degree and racial as well as cultural differences have lead to the 'concept' of foreigners. Yes, because of states, you can also view foreigners in terms of what state they are from, but this is just semantics.
People weren't all the same before states formed.
>>74832960
Thx brah
Just avoiding some work right now
Probably because I don't want to live in a corporate dystopia
>>74833266
arbitrary in the pejorative sense, not in the literal sense. property rights are key. laws that are agreed upon voluntarily are sovereign, like contracts. that would vary from place to place, and only bind those that agree. the only universal law that can exist is respect for property rights, everything else must be agreed upon.
>>74833266
gold/silver would be used by ordinary people for everyday purchases, not for int'l trade; there's a fine proposal for the latter called Terra, a whitepaper on it is available but the gist of it is that 1 Terra would equal a certain amounts of gold, oil, copper, wheat, maize, sugar, steel...
there would also be a built-in mechanism to make sure comapnies and states would be penalized for hoarding it, I think it'd be worth a shot
btw there's loads of gold still sitting underground and waiting to be mined, it's just not economically viable to do so at this point because of manipulation that's been going on in COMEX
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terra_%28currency%29
>>74833367
the concept of foreigner is literally "not from [place]" and possible to extend to ideology as well. you have that type of xenophobic behavior between CITIES in the same state, even NEIGHBORHOODS. I don't get why people associate this with states so viciously.
foreigner is just "not one of us"
>>74833367
the point is that a state serves the purpose of reinforcing communal identity. Hence why open borders are least likely in a statist society than in a libertarian one
>>74833038
What has to transpire for the ultimate good need not be ethical in the least. In fact it is simply an impossibility to be "ethical", only what is perceived as the cruellest of malice can possibly enforce what is required to make humanity flawless.
It is of course ideological, not possible at all in our reality with these humans. You could herd them along, perhaps even breed generations of humans to keep herding the less willing, but they would eventually lose sight, grow despicable, tarnish the flawless image that they are meant to advance.
The state would ideally grow at a steady pace until it had complete power, naturally this is a requirement considering the current state of civilization and humanity. The state then has to gradually bear down the barrier of the self, as this is the most prominent issue with humans, their excessive selfishness. The state would then slowly remove its strangehold from every denizen, as they start doing what is demanded of them willingly, of their own accord, in their own image, with their own ambition, owing it to themselves, owing it to their fellow man. Once you manage to rid humanity of selfishness itself you have reached the peak of flawlessness and can no longer improve humanity, but as mentioned previously it would be absolutely impossible for such a chain of events to transpire.
But I cannot see anything wrong with it, how could it possibly be wrong to wish to further the human race to perfection? No human would be sad or lack a purpose, depression would be an alien concept as nobody would be selfish, nobody would consider themselves ahead of humanity itself. Those who were a drain on civilization would eliminate themselves, fully recognizing that this is necessary for humanitys perfection to carry on. They would only do for themselves what is necessary to go on doing for the human race, their feelings matching that.
Of course this is an alien concept to you. The idea of not being selfish.
>>74832755
The state is the abstract instrument we use to organize and maintain the social hierarchy since populations have expanded beyond the scope of old fashioned social control by the chieftain.
>>74833266
>I honestly don't know what that is, sorry
Well go read up on Bitcoin then.
It's basically a digital currency that is not tied to any banks or states.
>>74833367
Also, people only vote against foreigners when these foreigners are perceived security risks, which also included them potentially leeching welfare if welfare systems exist.
People don't like rapists and terrorists and leeches is all.
>>74833374
>we have THE biggest states recorded in history right now
>currently in a corporate dystopia
>think again
>>74833731
>implying there was a moment in history when people weren't organized in states
maybe pre-history.
>>74833579
>currently in THE most statist society
>openest borders in history
>property rights are the closest possible borders
>>74833427
property rights alone are not sufficient to build a functioning community. Even in the middle ages and the time of feudalism there were far more laws than just property rights.
>>74833554
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terra_%28currency%29
I'll look into that. Thanks
>gold/silver would be used by ordinary people for everyday purchases, not for int'l trade
The main problem I see with this system is that it would end up making international trade and and national trade two different entities, when in reality they are closely related
>only property rights are necessary
let's say a child is born in someone's property. according to you he that child belongs to the guy who owns the property, which means that he can do whatever he wants with him since there are no other laws regulating human behaviour apart from property rights. i don't even want to imagine how such a society would look like, it would enable the worst impulses in man.
>>74833833
>currently in THE most statist society
it's not any more statist than it was 70 years ago. The open borders thing is due to political decisions. If you would live in your ancap utopia you would have open borders from day one since there would be no borders aside from those of your property.
>>74833592
That's what I imagined. I'm ignorant about bitcoin and similar stuff so I can't really comment on it
>>74833561
Yea. You worded it a lot better than I did.
>>74833579
Wrong again. It is states that are undermining culture and identify left and right, and who open borders to vastly different cultures and 'values'.
States are formed to provide security, but at this point they exist to steal money for a schemeing elite of criminals and to only serve themselves.
>>74833581
Well, what's the point? You admit yourself that all you listed is impossible. Why try to change the entirety of human nature to achieve some arbitrary grand concept?
I think the biggest difference between authoritarians of any form and anti-authoritarians of any form is that the former belief in some arbitrary greater good or purpose that should be achieved, while the latter don't believe in such things, but rather in freedom and sovereignty.
That's also why we can never agree, because we have entirely different ideas of what we should achieve.
It's just that the authoritarian site is willing to commit violence as a necessity, while anti-authoritarians have realized the futility of such attempts.
>>74834061
Bullshit. The child is its own property.
>>74829078
>the voluntary transaction of goods and protection services is a protection racket
>>74834061
whooooooa
getting way ahead of ourselves now are we? how about you calm down and read about libertarian property rights a little bit?
>>74834173
thank you.
>>74834089
>It is states that are undermining culture and identify left and right, and who open borders to vastly different cultures and 'values'.
and it was states who streghtened those values in the first place. Why do you think nation states exist?
Look I agree that the current political situation is fucked, I wouldn't be on /pol/ if I didn't. The point is that it's not worth scrapping the state just because politics do not align with my political view
>>74828846
Positivism tells us that Post Keynesianism is the way.
>>74834261
also it's not really the states per se who are undermining national identity. It's sovranational entities such as the EU
>>74834261
Oh buy mein buddy guy, it is precisely because of that that we absolutely must!
to live under rules you never agreed to, having the product of your labour taken away from you, is to be a slave. The only way that can NEVER happen again, is to not give such a power to someone, and take from whoever still have it.
>>74834089
What is the point of anything? Naturally I will never be in a position to do what is necessary for what I describe to spring into fruitition. It is merely something worthy of consideration and arguing, as it passes the time and is interesting to me.
The core idea of it all is that people don't know what's best for them, and they too often end up thoroughly dismayed with existence itself. That is why the grand purpose of my suggested utopia is merely that every human is provided with a purpose, that is all they need. Of course the purpose is arbitrary and means nothing at all in reality, but it would do so much for humanity as a whole, no one would suffer any longer under these conditions.
Being the epitome of selfishness breeds nothing but hate, scorn, and disgust. No semblance of justice is present and it is every man for himself, fighting and quarreling amongst each other like petty school children. It is as flawed as man can be when he is selfish.
>>74834173
but he is in someone's elses property. meaning that he is at the mercy of the guy owning the property, since is the one who makes the rules.
>>74834282
positivism tells us to bend over and obey our overlords
>>74834431
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37CEsB3NK5w
>>74834261
>it was states who streghtened those values in the first place.
Was it really, tho?
Culture is created by the people, not by bureaucrats. Every time states have tried to create culture, it failed big time, because states always try to enforce it with violence. Nazi germany is an example, or the Sowjets. I just got back from Moscow and guess what, all the grand Sowjet buildings and workers clubs are rotting, empty ruins because nobody wants to use them, didn't want to use them back then.
Culture protects itself or is changed over time, voluntarily so to speak. States may latch on to the idea and attempt to protect it, but will ultimately fuck it up.
But I would like you to give me an example of when or how a state has protected culture. Maybe I'm wrong.
Btw, nobody is advocating to simply abolish the states we have now. Revolution is for communists.
We simply need to cut back gradually and see how it goes.
>>74834402
>having the product of your labour taken away from you, is to be a slave
see this is something I fundamentally disagree with.
States used to be created on the basis of ethnicity, culture and sometimes religion. I have no problem in having part of my wealth taxed to support those who share those traits with me and to improve our overall living conditions.
And that's why I oppose immigration, because it creates a society with no identity and no common culture (see US or any ex European colony for example), which becomes a society were social safety nets and and a power balance between classes become just a burden rather than a bonus, ultimately becoming oligarchies.
>>74830092
I know I am your better and I could kill you, but I would rather not.
You are probably and ok guy. So I would rather avoid conflict. I could do conflict, but it makes things not conducive to productivity.
>>74834402
> the product of your labour taken away from you, is to be a slave.
does that mean that anarcho-capitalists intend to abolish wage labour?
>>74829623
atm machine
>>74834667
>Was it really, tho?
in a sense yes. People formed the various states we have today because they all agreed on common values and more or less went along.
Think of how Germany was created: German states didn't get along too well, but foreign influence was worse, thus you were united and developed a common culture, while still preserving your roots
>Btw, nobody is advocating to simply abolish the states we have now. Revolution is for communists.
I'm glad we agree on this. Ancaps tend not to and some libertarians on here don't either.
>We simply need to cut back gradually and see how it goes.
I would be ok with cutting back on some things. As I mentioned in another post, ponzi schemes such as pensions have to go. I still don't think cutting away all taxation and public services is a good idea. excessive privatization inevitable leads to being subjected to foreign influence and thus damaging to the identity of a state
>>74833114
>Good leaders reach solutions, and then stop. They do not dare to rely on force.
Tao Te Ching
What you are saying is nothing more than the autistic secular materialist version of the ancient mystical insight that shit sucks when they steal your shit and kick the shit out of you.
This is not a sufficient enough reason to go and meddle with the fabric of society.
>>74829608
your kidding right? He is pointing out how the argument is not sound by challenging it's validity
by argument from absurd.
>>74834419
>The core idea of it all is that people don't know what's best for them
Yep, that is indeed the core idea of all statists. But why would YOU know better?
Your grand design might not be so grand for someone else.
>>74834428
He is not at the mercy because he has his own property rights. The guy whose property rights he is in still has to respect the 'property rights' of the person in it, unless that person, in this case the child, is being violent.
>>74829460
nothing is lower energy than reused jokes and coat tail riding.
0/10 old man trump would be sad.
>>74835007
problem is one cannot simply cut back at this point, the majority is either enjoying their transfers or is too heavily "invested" into many mandatory state monopolies
pension, healthcare and bloated education systems have to crash and burn before any peaceful change becomes possible
>>74835190
It'll be grand for anyone once they're forcefully ridden of their selfishness. Ridding a man of his selfishness is the hardest conceivable task however and should not be taken lightly. It is trading a couple generations worth of misery for an eternal worth of focused happiness.
I don't see why someone who has a distinct purpose in mind who vehemently strides on for this purpose would be unhappy. They wouldn't be, or else they wouldn't stride on. A purpose is what defines a man, without a purpose you are nothing, with a purpose you are in harmony.
>>74835190
>The guy whose property rights he is in still has to respect the 'property rights' of the person in it,
Does he? Who would stop him from doing otherwise? Afterall it's his property. Maybe he just kills him and nobody finds out since they can't access his property.
>>74835294
As it stands now many of those public services are doomed to fail. Ideally we should be able to cut them back and reform them, thus preserving them and avoiding a complete collapse. If that doesn't happen the yes, you are right. They will crash and burn
>>74830633
aww platos beard. You are a baby, that's ok.
>>74830501
is from Brazil, doesn't trust democracy lol n wonder.
Just because your ancestors fucked Pedro's dream over with their shit behavior doesn't mean Pedro did not make a great nation.
>>74830633
Philosophy is naught but the opinions of others. Being well read is simply that of having consumed a vast amount of others opinions, as nothing is grounded in anythiing but opinions.
>>74835561
>reform
we've had 2 already both regarding pensions and healthcare
both were severely cutting back on fresh pensions making them unattractive to current wageslaves and those nearing their pensions while existing pensions were left untouched
both healthcare reforms were severely cutting on patients' rights and even introduced an additional insurance for parts that were previously covered
essentially, both were all about kicking the can down the road and will require another reform in a decade or so, then another, then another
we're already spending a 1/5th of our GDP to cover the pensions on top of what the state monopolist is able to gather from wageslaves
When the Ay LAMOS come for us we need to be a few organized peoples to stop them from eating us all.
Check m8
>>74835860
forgot pic related, the outlook for the future
>>74832862
adolf hitler was a statist u moron
he did the best for germany. a true man of the people.
>>74835860
Yea I know it's fucked, we are in a similar situation. I'm all for removing pensions, but I would like to keep public healthcare if possible. The main problem we have here is the fact that it's also free for foreigners (most of whom don't work and don't pay taxes) and that people abuse it to the point which they go to the hospital for a splinter in their fingers.
>>74835816
Preety much this.
But the next question and an honest one. Do you like to prune your opinions based on aesthetics, like things that seem harmonic, or occams razor?
Or maybe another sheering tool? Or building tool? Or maybe you like dogma? Or you like subversin b/c you are a jew.
Personally I like philosophies that eliminate/reduce disavowal and replication. This will lead to people emergently becoming more reasonable and empathetic thus moral.
I see it as a fight against relativity. Kind of like buildings in California that roll with earthquakes, you place foundational beliefs upon rollers to keep them from falling to subversive tactics that people use.
>>74832862
because capitalists and communists are of the same internationalist zionist ideological stock
>>74836119
if you take a look at above population pyramid I posted there's no way to democratically reform anything for lack of young voters; Italian and other euro pop. pyramids are pretty similar to mine
>>74834860
Surely there is no leftist bias on /pol/?
pfft
more objective-value crap.
>>74828846
I believe that the state can be an instrument to prevent societal collapse, prevent invasion, secure foreign interests, rally nationalism, promote strength in it's people, and secure a future in the interests of the country's ubermench.
Don't tread on me, use the power of the human collective to let me achieve something far greater than I can alone, without suppressing anyone's talents and ambitions. Give me a leader that the people can rally behind, or give me the tools to become one, for together we are strong.
>>74835776
>implying Pedro was a good monarch
>implying brazilian democracy isn't The true face of democratic institutions
>memes
>>74833427
is this so you can fuck goats or something? or is that Columbia?
I don't believe in a state. I do, however, believe in the nation and its embodiment in a royal family.
>>74828846
Anarchism is anti-social bullcrap
humans are a social species, atleast on a racial level
'borderless world' is a jewish idea, becuz that would mean every 3rd world nigger would jump to y'Urop and y'USA and exterminate the white race
of course a brazilian is an anarchist, you all subconsciously hate eachother becuz of all the racial diversity.
bulgaria is like that too. we have like 20 different races, with the biggest being the 18% slavic R1a race. we are also very individualistic and hate eachother. http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/bulgarians.html
>>74836437
>>74836437
Hey! are you that libertarian Kid from Brazil trying to get the president removed. I think you were on public radio here in the states.
good for you if you were. I mean the whole thing is horseshit and meaningless as you obviously know it is, but still.
Also do you personally believe in teleology and things having purpose, I only ask because I was going to wonder with you about what system or morality you would use to encourage people to volentarily appeal to the NAP.
>>74836626
the samurai warrior wants a good emperor to follow. Noble.
>>74836530
Oh yes I desperately need some goat love
>>74836437
democratic institutions being about what? the sanctity of my progeny over yours and my last names immortality? Of course that is what it is about.
that is why you develop arete and stop being a faggot and do something about it.
>>74836739
Yes, every libertarian in Brazil is the same person, we have achieved hive mind through race-mixing
>>74836836
made my night. top kek.
>>74836945
fuck I'm dieing. You are killing the state with your bantz.
>>74836626
Fuck Royals. They may have been the best and brightest to start with, but a leader selected by the hearts of the people will always be more powerful.
>>74836945
besides, you still haven't answered what happens when the aliums come to eat our babies, what an-caps would do about that.
>>74836166
I base my opinions on humanity by what ultimately creates the least amount of havoc. Eliminating humanity and every other organism on Earth would be the logical and immediate solution in that regard, however, there is nothing preventing our existence from repeating itself in infinite cycles, in essence reincarnating us for the rest of eternity. That is why I believe it would be for the very best if instead of simply eliminating everything, that everyone were absolutely content and happy with their current situation for the rest infinity until more is discovered of the current unknowables. Perhaps there is in fact an answer to this mess, perhaps not, either way, having a perfectly happy and contented civilization could perhaps be the better alternative to eliminating everything. Naturally being content and happy does not apply to only humans, as there are far more basic forms of lifeform that could possibly suffer just the same peril that is existence itself. This thus all goes under the definition of "the greater good"
I base my opinions on less knowable subjects on nothing. They are all theories, none of them can ever be confirmed nor validated. I will die not knowing any of these things, despite arguing feverishly about them. Occam's razor is certainly useless in this category.
I base my opinions on myself by hypocricy. There is nothing hidden about it, as it is who I am. I have grand arguments about what it means to be degenerate while indulging in every bit of it, it is as it is.
As for convincing others, ultimately you cannot suppress them against their will, for they will eventually spring forth and tear it all apart. You cannot convince them through deceit, it has to be apparent and clear as day that they are in fact accepting what it is you suggest. Merely tricking someone won't make them believe and even fight for, of their own free will, that which you stand for, which is the ultimate goal.
Because zones of highly concentrated unprotected infants are worth a life of feigned submission. Predators love society.
>>74837266
Mentally insane cuck who wants attention.
You can patriotically ignore this anti-White delusional child.
I think statism is good and can work, but only if the leader is good too.
S/he has to prove that he's strong handed, and uses actions instead of empty words, and making the state into a super succesful self-sufficient power, who doesn't need aid.
Basically it only would work with a really, and I mean REALLY good and strong willed person. There is a chance that a person like this exist, its very fucking minimal, but I believe, there has to be a person like this.
People always needed a leader, a person look up to and follow. Who stands up and says the truth, and loves its people, and does everything to make their lives better and making the whole state better and stepping on the degenerates and shit people's neck, who abused the free speech and it backfired and doomed the state, and its people.
Anarchism is a failure, it never worked nor ever will. Democracy works, but its weak as fuck, its for those whole love to hide in a corner and pretend everything is fine, giving you false freedom, while the actual big dogs hide behind curtains and controlling people indirectly.
>>74837373
aww you got triggered, reddit is a different site fampai
>>74837313
But these infants... they will grow up without a state? Wouldn't the predators still prey on them outside the state?
What about being stateless maturates the human? Being honest here I want to know more.
>>74837306
Thanks for the reply. I want to tell you that you have been understood, but I would have to use jargon and that would, I feel, be against your views.
but I like it, I think you and I would agree about stuff.
What do you mean by less knowable subjects on nothing? Do you mean you passively or actively (which one?) try to know less so as to not confirm or deny biased opinions, but still defend the right to have biased opinions?
I am just wondering if, aplogise for the jargon, you are more tao and a kind of wait till everything dies and do nothing towards peace, or a Islamic I will suppress you all till you die till peace.
I think it is more the tao.
Democracy is the enemy of strong leadership. But democracy is the ultimate obstacle for a strong leader. Defeating the democratic process will prove him worthy of leading the state.
>>74838090
As my solution to making peace of the human race is impossible in nature I am simply biding my time in frankly hedonistic fashion. There is no point fighting for an ideological future that simply cannot exist.
Less knowable subjects as in the size, function, and possibility of space, whether there is a godlike entity or not, what happens upon death, and so on, subjects as perceived from a human perspective that cannot be defined.. All I do is assign theories that may or may not be true, then argue about it with others based on nothing but my opinion. There is definitely no confirming nor denying of any theory in this field, since nothing is known. Biased opinions, as those of a Christian, are just the same as those of someone who has considered everything. You can easily argue the Christian did not go nearly as far into the subject or the thought of it all and would then be less of an expert in the field for accepting the first thing he saw, but it doesn't matter how learned he is (or lack thereof), for his opinion is exactly as plausible as the other person's.
>>74838849
I really do not think your solution is not that untenable. We just need to start crackin' on replication, the urge to recreate suffering, and disavowal, the urge to deny complicity in suffering.
We start crackin at that, we can "make" people realize what they are doing through their own discovery. Fuck, an an-cap state could be possible after that. It would help people self-regulate.
But realize if we removed the need to anchor society to an opinion, but instead rooted it into the *warning made-up word* over-opinion that the non-knownness of the universe is an aspect of being an epistemological agent, that to be a knower, one is not a knower, I think people would calm thier tits a bit and be less vile to each other. But that at the same time, their value as agents is not lessened by thier lack of having a known opnion. We decathetic the idea that knowledge is necessary for agent status and replace it with agency being organized around the valuation of who has the best ability to not replicate and disavow.
Oh ok, you don't bother yourself with the spooky-shit. Oh but that stuff can be fun to wonder about at least. I mean what else do you do in the shower?
Also, you would do Mill proud that your fill your hedonistic time with learning. You write great.
States devour non-states.
>>74839554
I think the idea is we would all be non-states togther desu.
>>74839690
We used to all be non-states together.
Then states devoured us.
Now we're all states together.
>>74839751
Blame alcohol, it was too delicious, we just wanted to make too much of it.
Then pottery and bread came along.
Those carbs man, they ended freedom.
>>74839936
Still, it was all worth it for the British Empire.
>>74829545
>>74839479
I am fairly confident in that the ideological human could not exist so long as everyone is selfish, and that won't go away any time soon. After all, I know myself very well, I'm a human just the same. Our entire being is based on the self, we would never consider anyone but ourself first. Even when making a supposed sacrifice you consider how the "sacrifice" relates to yourself before commiting it. Nothing you or I do is not selfish.
Of course I consider and think thoroughly through all the unknowable subjects, it is entertaining after all. I do not however pretend I have any answers, since it is all theoretical. As an example, I could say that our brains are merely biological super advanced computers, and that when we die we go the same place the computer goes when the power is cut off, that we can perfectly replicate the brain given enough time and advancements in technology, since they are merely computers. I could say that our genes are merely code, and that we could be entirely different persons with entirely different opinions by simply editing the code, as could also be accomplished with advancements in technology.
Musing over all these subjects is what has lead me to my opinions on human selfishness, among other things.
I must admit I don't read any philosophy at all, and barely learn, I merely write my own thoughts and opinions.
I'm at a dilemma here.
I generally agree with the libertarian premise that people should be left to their own devices and form capitalist communities purely out of self interest and good will, but looking at history, it seems that such a utopia would have already happened if it wasn't in man's "nature" to rule over others and sometimes have malicious intent.
I can't imagine how this would really work out in practice
>>74840475
Yeah egoism has a certain brute-truthness to it. But it seems difficult to know what the self wants, or even be in control of the self or say that the self has responsibility once it has been thought about hard enough. So I am not quite sure I agree that we are selfish, if we don't not, I argue know the self. That is, given we are constantly trying to individuate from mommy and daddy and contend with our non-conscious drives. But like you said, >opinions.
But good chatting. If you did conquer the necessary narcissistic injury that learning is and gives out, I think you would enjoy reading more. At least that is the hurdle I am dealing with now. Have a good day, sir
>>74828846
Im not.
>Give me liberty or death!
>I wont be a statist slave...
>>74841122
you're underestimating the power of local community, e.g. I'm glad to help my fellow local as long as I know that my contribution doesn't get chopped up among undesirables and state employees, leaving said poor local with a tiny fraction of my generosity
if my local community is well-fed and largely self-sufficient, I can expect less crime and more harmony, important things to quality of life
>>74831438
While I would never move to somalia, mostly because the continent of Africa is a shithole all around, somalia actually helps prove anarchists right, as it is better off now compared to when it had a state
http://www.peterleeson.com/Better_Off_Stateless.pdf
