VENEZUELA YES
Why so many Americans want socialism in their country?
Venezuela is in ruins. Speculative funds are eyeing Venezuelan bonds. Prices are so high anything foreign is too expensive for the average Venezuelan Joe. The black market is booming because prices are fixed by the government (something AMERICANS want); lol, like history didn't teach us anything (Germany 1918-1933, 1944-1946, Zimbabwe). Dumb mugs, we'll see them sink so low they will sell themselves to international funds to get back up.
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/05/19/why-these-2-bond-pros-are-investing-in-venezuela-despite-bumpy-ride.html
http://fortune.com/2016/05/20/coke-venezuela-suspends/
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/venezuela-crisis-hamburgers-are-now-170-as-inflation-spins-further-out-of-control-a7042091.html
http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2016/05/22/what-venezuelas-food-rationing-tells-us-the-price-of-something-is-the-price-of-something/#49a3087e49ff
>>74787789
most people who read and like the ideas of socialism or communism have never experienced it. its as simple as that.
>>74787789
it wasn't real socialism
>>74787997
Tell me about real socialism, o Italian peer.
>>74787789
It's always amazing that so many people still believe in a socialist utopia when everywhere it's been tried it is a disaster. Karl Marx probably caused more suffering than anyone in history.
>>74788583
Marx was a clever idealist. Some of his ideas are actually quite good, like the essence of a man being his work and what he does, not what he 'is', something liberals forgot a lot of time ago.
maybe socialism will work next time
>>74789220
socialism is working great
>>74787997
I'm now #BurningforBernie. Isn't this Hillary's fault. Venezuela I mean
>>74788063
the cishet white imperialist patriarchy caused the downfall of Venezuela, not socialism
t. #Cruzmissile
>>74789518
They will find a way to blame the West, believe me.
>>74787789
I remember back in 2012 or something, my family friends (Cubans living in Florida) were explaining to us how Hugo Chavez is a hero and all Venezuelans are happy to have him as their leader because socialism is amazing, etc. They're also professors.
>>74787789
>like history didn't teach us anything (Germany 1918-1933
implying you actually know anything about what happened there except the
>muh govt caused hyperinflation by printing money lmao
meme
>>74789620
in all seriousness they already are
>muh US wants to destroy our socialist paradise
>>74789721
Probably PhDs in bullshit in a shit college in rural Florida. Being a professor now means nothing if you aren't from a top uni.
>>74789757
Boy, Econ student here, top uni in Italy. Thesis on Germany economic crisis 1944-1946 and Erhard reforms. Burn commie.
NO! NO! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
THAT'S NOT REAL SOCIALISM.
V-VENEZUELA IS CAPITALIST!
YES IT IS.
C-CA-CAPITALISM IS THE CAUSE OF VENEZUELA'S COLLAPSE.
CAPITALISM IS EVIL. EVIL!
SOCIALISM HAS NEVER BEEN TRIED. NEVER!
>>74787789
I'm not defending their economic decisions
But the IMF has done this is many countries in the past, especially in various parts of Asia.
Countries that refuse to take their loans get their economy fucked up worse than you can imagine, then the IMF walk in with a bail out and then they own them for life because they know they will never be able to pay it back fully with interest.
>>74790666
You are right, they will buy their souls. But their own decisions and their socialist isolationist oil based economy put them in this situation, not an IMF conspiracy.
>>74790073
>muh commie if anyone disagrees with you
>German economic crisis of 1944
>literally while losing WW2
But let's not talk about how German hyperinflation after WW1 happened after the reichsbank was privatized in 1922.
>>74790666
The price of sin. You should know, Satan.
>>74791334
Sorry it was much more complicated than
>muh war
in 1944-46 in Germany. You clearly don't know shit and you're reading Wikipedia right now. If you think the central bank should be publicly owned, you're a lost cause because direct political inference in monetary policy is doom incarnated. German hyperinflation was linked to non-payable WW1 reparations. Like banks like to destroy their own money with monetary policy. Dumb commie
>>74791831
>Completely ignores the part where the German central bank was private when hyperinflation happened.
>Completely ignores that historically government created currencies did much better than private ones (for example the american greenbacks)
>Like banks like to destroy their own money with monetary policy.
You are assuming that banks or any other private entity will act for its long term interests every time and not short term profit.
How is a publicly owned private bank communism anyways? Or are you just taught to believe that private banks are literally god and can do no wrong?
B-BU-BUT THAT WA-WASNT REEEAALLL COMMUNISM !
>>74792207
lol like regulation doesn't exist and central banks behave like hedge funds. You're lost. A politicians' central bank WILL with ALL certainty aim for short term objectives because governments behave like that, plain and simple, because politicans want voter consensus. Regulation of a private central bank is key. Look at the bank of England stupid commie.
>>74789387
Everything is Hilary's fault
What do you tell people when they say it was the rampant corruption and abuse of power, not socialism that is why Venezuela is in ruins?
>>74793278
The bank of England was nationalized in 1946.
Separation of power exists. A central bank in the case of the US would just need to be a 4th branch of government. Or are you arguing that the president/congress always have direct control of what the judicial branch does?
>>74793979
Boy. I was not referring to the Bank of England as private entity. The Bank of England is owned by a non-political entity that is free from political inference, that makes it an independent and regulated entity. You can't do your homework. Anyway, I don't know much about the Fed and its governance, I let you school me on that if you want to (can?) explain.
>>74789518
can someone memesplain the "t." meme to me?
>>74788583
By that same metric Jesus, Mohammed and company were worse.
It is not about what they did, it is people using as an excuse for their ploys.
We must not disregard what seems to be wrong, even understanding whit we label something as being wrong is important. All experimental sciences have theories that have been disproved latter on, this does not mean we should erase them from history, all though processes are valuable.
>>74794398
>Boy. I was not referring to the Bank of England as private entity. The Bank of England is owned by a non-political entity that is free from political inference, that makes it an independent and regulated entity.
Yes that is what I am referring to when saying that it would be like a 4th branch of government. It should be independent but owned by the government so it is not influenced by short term political goals or private interests trying to make profit by exploiting the public (for example by reducing the money supply when there is a lot of debt around). The goal of a central bank should be to achieve the best economic climate for everyone in the country, not to enrich some people or improve the popularity of some politician.
Give me a second to try and explain the fed.
>>74793567
The idea of a party siphoning value from a class to another in order to equate them inevitably leads to some amount of it being diverted somewhere else. Notably, the less transparent such party is, the more will be diverted.
>>74793567
That even if their argument was true, small government reduces corruption. The smaller the government, the more efficient and easier to control.
These is less waste.
>>74795173
The point here is not the private or public ownership, but the regulation. Regulation is what makes a central bank. I see we both agree that politcians are to be out of monetary policy. At this point, why not make the central bank private? Private ownership does not mean endless greed, regulation prevents that. Public ownership only means drain on public finances. All corporate costs of a central bank shouldn't be covered by the government, it does only enforce waste and abuse because 'muh gov pays that cost so let's sink in deficit'. If private, any entity becomes efficient because faces bankruptcy if not run properly.
>>74794398
The Fed is very shady because of how it is set up.
It's owners are the private banks that are part of the system. They own 100% of the stocks of the Fed. However those stocks do not give them ownership of the Fed and only pay 6% dividends. So in theory the Fed is completely independent as it is not controlled by the government and the stocks it creates do not give the banks control of the Fed. But I'm not sure that this works.
In my opinion the Fed benefits the banks greatly because it gives them below market interest loans and allows them to make more profit by the way of fractional reserve lending.
It's a system that benefits the banks way more than the regular people.
>>74796135
kek tell that to the average Malta.. 400K are living on this island and literally everything and everyone is corrupt.. even the son of the president was involved in various money laundering scandals..
>>74796338
They fed even gives nice offers to its discount window friends, like "hey we'll basically pay you to borrow money and use force of government if you don't, and then you can put it back on deposit with us and we'll pay you free interest!"
>>74796257
Because no matter how regulated something it people will always find a way to abuse it.
Central banks need to be run not for profit but to create good economic climate for everyone else. Having a privately owned central bank just has conflicting interests.
Central banks usually make profit anyways.
>>74796135
Yeah, for instance Somalia has no government
That sure helped reduce their corruption
>>74796338
Central banks do work for the banks, because banks are the engine of the economy. In fact central banks operate on the economy using the banks as a medium. Interest rates manipulation (therefore debt buying/selling; benchmark deposit/reserve interest manipulation) does not affect the economy directly but through the commercial and investment banks adjusting to these changes. Central banks 'aim' at financial stability, inflation stability, that are in fact the 'good for the regular people'.
>>74789284
it does in Cuba
Venezuela is to Latin America, what Sweden is to Europe.
A warning for others. Heed it or repeat it.
>>74796692
Abuse happens in both private and public sector. Public does not mean honest, it only means costs are covered by the taxpayer. It's not right. Entities should be able to pay for their costs (remember that covering costs efficiently DO NOT mean profit).
>>74796692
Central banks only fuck shit up if you consider the Austrian school of economics
>>74797194
or if it's run by brown shitskins
>>74796717
We are talking about normal countries here. Look at Hong Kong.
>>74796917
>Central banks 'aim' at financial stability, inflation stability, that are in fact the 'good for the regular people'.
Yes that is how it's supposed to work.
However if a central bank is privately owned who's interests do you think it will prioritize, its owners (banks) or the people. Pretty sure there was a major scandal involving the fed giving 19Trillion$ in very low interest loans to banks after 2008, don't exactly remember the details.
My point being, a central bank should have no interest in helping anyone in particular, it being politicians, banks, corporations, etc. or make profit. It's only interest should be to create economic stability.
>>74797194
Are you proposing we go back to gold or private bank notes as money?
>>74797722
Yeah. People should be able to choose the best exchange mediums, just like they choose the best goods and services.
>>74787789
>Burgers now $170
Good news for burger sellers tbhwy
>>74797646
The private/public ownership debate deals with the covering of corporate costs. It's a matter of accounting. Public ownership means the taxpayer pays for the costs. Private ownership means the entity covers its costs efficiently. If, as you say, the central bank makes revenue anyway, why does it need public ownership? Isn't it like an incentive to abuse like a wage raise to executives paid by taxpayers, masked as administration costs? A private entity can't do that because it has no taxpayer covering costs. Since regulation is the key that makes the central bank do what it should do because it faces fines and arrests, private ownership is the one best way.
>>74797123
> Entities should be able to pay for their costs (remember that covering costs efficiently DO NOT mean profit).
Not necessarily. Is the police supposed to make a profit? Is the military?
Sure there are abuses in both public and private sectors but if you want to have a private central bank you would need a lot of very specific constraints.
1. It would be a non profit (if it was a normal for profit corporation it would have conflicting interests).
2. It would need to be 100% owned by itself, no stock can be sold to anyone.
3. The people working there cannot take a job at a private bank after leaving or to own stock of any financial institutions. (to prevent shit that happens already in US politics >Politician passes some law benefiting corporation X, after leaving politics he receives a highly paid """consultant""" job at corporation X.
4. It would need to be easy to audit to check for any of the previous.
In my opinion it would just be simpler to just make it an independent public entity to eliminate points 1 and 2.
>>74798529
Police and military can't make revenue for they are a necessary drain to public finances. You can't do shit about it. But entities that are able to make revenue shouldn't be public, with a few exceptions. A central bank privately owned BUT totally constrained to do what the law tells it to do totally does not differ from a publicly owned central bank in its aim. It simply can't give shit to its owners. The difference only lies in corporate costs covered by taxpayer OR private revenue. Constraints have to be specific be it public or private because there's not that real difference: both public and private executives can abuse, but the taxpayer covering costs consists as incentive to abuse. And privately owned does not mean that the central bank has to be publicly traded (lo!), there are a lot of types of private entity under the law.
>>74797876
Let's just become anarchists while we're at it.
There are no historical cases of banks or people ever abusing the privilege of issuing money (US banking during gilded age, Caesar during the Roman Republic, etc)
>>74788063
I thought u guys were mexicans
>>74799303
> And privately owned does not mean that the central bank has to be publicly traded (lo!), there are a lot of types of private entity under the law.
I know just referring to how the Fed is privately owned at the moment.
Yes I suppose a very heavily regulated private central bank could work but it would need to be very carefully monitored because monetary power is something that can be very easily abused and consequences have been usually disastrous.
>>74799387
low quality bait
So between Venezuela, Sweden, and Germany, who has JUSTed the fastest
>tfw socialism and muh means of production
>>74787789
They're flooding my country. I've seen engineers selling bottles water on the street.
I'm glad the US deposed our local socialist in the 60s desu
>>74788063
Not him, but Venezuela is standard 100% Socialism. Venezuela's problem though wasn't the Socialism on itself but rather the bureaucracy and corruption created by the expansion of the state on several other areas and their export model was retarded and also was the use of the founds generated by their superplus generated by oil exports.
Venezuela would export oil and then buy themselves and distribute themselves food and medicine and other primary consumption items. The problem for them started to get worse when the prices of oils tanked so they had less money to buy commodities and other products and with the superplus generated by oil they would give the money to the people to consume instead of investing in education or infrastructre or industry to generate more income not related to the oil exports.
Venezuela is the perfect example of how socialism can fail miserably if the government expands without a clear idea or plan of how to redistribute the wealth.
>>74799323
I don't know if your post is ironic and is referring to the continuous decrease of the content of silver in the Roman coin, or not.
>>74799901
Kick them out. They were partying when socialism took power there. Let them enjoy it to the last bit.
>>74800007
Yes. And no I'm referring to how Caesar pushed Rome to the gold standard from silver because he had captured gold producing regions during his conquests and monetizing gold increased their profitability.
>>74799901
Isn't Medina an ally of Maduro tho?
>>74799722
Sweden and Germany is worse, they were once great nations, Venezuela was never great
>>74799323
>There are no historical cases of banks or people ever abusing the privilege of issuing money
Not the argie you are arguing with but are you being sarcastic? The money supply manipulation (and therefore the interest rates) the FED has been perpetuating since the 80's is one of the bases of the current situation and basically the over inflation of the financial markets and over exposure to derivatives and debt most financial institutions currently have. When people read the history from the 80's to 2020 and see with the benefit of hindsight to all this years it will be like people currently see the "raging 20's" and how it was "inevitable" to reach the crisis that ended it all, because for people that understand how shit works it is undeniable that the last 30 years have been terrible when it comes to common sense in the financial sector and the agencies that are suppose to work to control them to not get out of hand and harm the real economy.
>>74787789
I'm just hoping a pinochet comes in, throws the commies out of helicopters, and unfucks that country.
>>74794539
Yeah it means you're a faggot.
>>74800613
not gonna happen
their military is cucked because "muh caracazo"
Perfect time to get a Venezuelan waifu.
>>74799722
Sweden and Germany problems have nothing to do with their "socialist governments" or "leaning socialist governments" but rather their liberal values that basically push them to import niggers and muslims and give them money despite most of them only coming to get money from the tax payers and provide nothing of value and generate a part of society that will basically leach value from the rest pushing the decay of governments that have been working without problems until they took horde of immigrants.
>>74800605
Argiefag knows. Lack of regulation and subsequent control unleashes both private and public abuse. That's why you defaulted like three times?
>>74800803
Latinas instantly become short and fat at 35.
>>74787789
your point might be relevant if nazi germany didnt have one of the most miraculous economic turn arounds in history.
>>74800605
It was an ironic meme ok (examples were pretty major cases of abuse).
>>74800829
Our previous default was mostly because the government took on the debt of private sectors in the 70's, we ended up renegotiating the debt with most creditors except with the guys that basically sue us and demanded to be paid as well. Which is all the bullshit about our last default, which is still debt from the 70's/80's/90's.
Currently I think there is not that much debt to financial institutions outside of traditional bonds every country issues but since we don't have in control our inflation (thanks to the money supply manipulation of the last government) we still are in problems to get our economy going.
Our current government is currently doing the right things though. Though it is creating a recession (since they are basically extinguishing the money supply by elevating the interest rates) it is the right path to basically control the inflation and then generate a good environment for investors.
My main problem with the government is that it should support more not people per se (in the form of gibs and subsidizes) but rather public institutions, currently our bills for electricity and natural gas when through the roof (since they were heavily subsidized by the government and both providers of the services are private companies, not public companies) and currently we have public universities and voluntary fire stations and the like being unable to pay for their electricity bills.
We are basically suffering the pains of money supply extinction, I just wonder if the people will be clever enough to not vote the left on the parliamentary elections of next year because the recovery didn't happen soon enough.
You know how I know this place knows nothing about economics?
People think Venezuela is Socialism and Bernie voters are as well instead of social democrats which is as capitalist as it gets.
>>74787789
NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!
TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SOCIALISM!!!!!!!!!!!!
:DDDDDDDDDDDDDD
>>74801560
> Venezuela is as capitalist as it gets
Are you a complete moron?
What is capitalist about price and currency control, and nationalizations?
Fuck off
>>74801667
We got one here
>>74801560
>>74801667
Okay, I really gotta ask.
How did the flag of Portugal get involved with the WE WUZ shit?
I am portuguese, and I never heard that shit around here. Even the niggers that came here don't spout that shit.
>>74801560
You're not backing your point.
Hence, you're a faggot.
>>74801774
Age of Empires II: African Kingdoms includes Portugal for some bizarre reason
>>74801864
What in the name of fuck.
We colonized a great of it, and aprently our sailors were the first to go around it, but seriously?
Man, gotta hand it to /int/ those guys are literall meme-making-machines.
>>74787997
/thread
>>74800987
That is actually a case of study most people ALWAYS dismiss. Like in every economy course I have taken or the like, they don't like to talk about why Hitler had the popular support of his people because he basically got them out of one of the worse economic depression Germany was ever on (and basically pushed towards that situation by the international jew and their dogs institution nations). The anti defamation league released an attack against an US institution that praised Hitler's economic policies and call them basically for supporting anti antisemitism.
>>74800829
yep, that's why.
>>74802094
German-descent Argie spotted. I bet 10 dollars your surname sounds like 'Mengele'.
>>74797042
cubans are literal slaves in their government's nation-wide plantation
>>74797382
kek
>>74797042
Cuba survived only by being subdized by the USSR and then by Venezuela
Having both sources of money disappeared, they are opening up to the ebil gabbitalists XD
>>74802278
And there is a problem with that? I mean people should give credit where credit is due. Personally I think the economic and social policies of Germany during the Third Reich where perfect for the German people. We could discuss their economic or social policies in detail but I would guess you will just scream "antisemitism!" even if I would concede that the Holocuento did happen and that there was animosity towards jews in the Nazi party (the real question here is WHY, and believe me there were a lot of reason to hate the jews in Germany in 1930-1938.)
>>74801680
I did not say Venezuela is as capitalist as it gets, I said social democrats are.
Venezuela is only hijacked by a Socialist party and while many attempts were made it, never worked out.
Its more of a semi-autarky command economy with some Capitalist/Socialist aspects to protect its assets at all costs but nothing you can really pinpoint on Socialism or Capitalism.
>>74801717
Far-Right Fascist mind you.
>>74802094
Hitler wasn't responsible for Germany's economic turnaround, Gottfried Feder and later Hjalmar Schacht were the economists that accomplished it.
>>74787930
The ideas are nothing more than an elaborate rationalization of theft.
>>74802645
Sure they benefited Germans. Hitler's aim was enslaving the Slavs, seizing all the Jews' assets and making Germany a paradise country all paid by the Slav slaves and inferior races. That's actually a nice perspective for a German of the 20's with no more savings because inflation made them valueless paper. But you know there's something wrong with enslaving all the Slavs and seize all the goodies of the Jews. You can't deny it.
>>74802682
Yeah I know, I am not saying that "HITLER" did it but he certainly knew who to listen to for advise. If history have thought us that it doesn't matter how brutal of a dictator you are if you play by the international banking cartel rules you get a free card to do what you want (look at modern Saudi Arabia) and the moment you DARE to challenge them or get out of line, get ready for MOTHERFUCKER FREEDOM, like it happen in Libya recently or Syria and Iraq in the past.
>>74802677
Damn dutchie define your socialism, you're triggering my OC disorder. Faggot.
>>74787789
Glad I lived long enough to see the Venezuelan government collapse.
I hated Chavez from day one.
>>74803246
Why? What did Chavez did to you?
He was a swell guy that liked his cigars ;_;
>So many
You've heard the vocal minority of kids who are too young and dense to ever really see the consequences of their bullshit. Worst case scenario, mommy and daddy pay for them to move to Vancouver, where they ARE welcome.
People still get fired in this country for being public supporters of Marxism, usually from publicly funded institutions.
Frankly, racist, communist, fascist, fucking lolicon scat hentai enthusiast, I don't think your boss should be worrying about what you fucking do or say in your free time, assuming you're not some company rep who gets paid around the clock to make your company look good. It's not like firing anybody convinces them of anything other than how justified their views are.
>>74801971
>failing for the socialism meme
Welp
>>74803606
wat
>>74802930
Oh I agree, it was not perfect, nothing really is, but sending out of your country people you don't want is something every country should be able to do and most countries did before Germany, the jews were kick out of several countries before that so it isn't like it was something "new". Also there were powerful reasons to hate the jews, including the growing sentiment that the jews stabbed them in the back and that international jews interest basically made the draft of the Versailles treaty.
The jews are not little angles and free of guilt in this story, though I think that a lot of the modern vision of the past is tainted by this guilt created by the holocaust that impedes people to actually see what could the Nazi government and economics teach the world. When you see how they basically went from being the worse economy of europe to a powerhouse and the industrial center of it in just 5 years it makes you wonder why not everyone else on earth couldn't copy something like that, but hey they were NAZIS so everything they did is wrong.
>>74787789
whenever socialism fails the first thing the commies do is blame something other then socialism
>>74789128
>>74788583
Marx just wanted to give everyone a job. It's not his fault that people don't want to work when they are in paradise.
>>74803412
D. João II would be proud to know that nearly 600 years later, his legacy was remembered in a videogame.
>>74803756
The Jews were persecuted all throughout History. Actually I think their reclusive and snobbish nature made them an easy prey for scapegoating politicians. 'See the Jew, the banker, he practices usury, he lives in the ghetto and no one actually knows him, it must be his fault'. Convince people with bullshit like the Protocols and BOOM you have tricked people into thinking it was all the Jew's fault and all problems are solved if they are killed off. A Socialist Jew? That's the perfect scapegoat ever. Hitler got Germans into a nice mind-trick that kept them far from both Socialism and Capitalism using the Jewish stereotype of the Jewish banker AND the Jewish socialist. They tought nazism was the only way. Hitler was objectively pure evil like Stalin.
Yesterdays thread we figured out that the best thing Venezuela can do is invade Aruba.
So tiny and vulnerable.
>>74805374
Venezuela did claim Aruba was their clay until 1978
>>74803986
>B-but it only works if it's worldwide
>Yeah because opposition means concurring and that's playing da gabidalist's game :DDD
That's the shit I hear at my univ.
Every fucking time.
But I guess it's true that vomit is fine cuisine when there's only vomit on the menu, and always ate vomit.
Man, I moved out of venezuela a couple of months ago.
I'm not exaggerating when I say it's basically a judge dress comics hell, the new dress movie with a giant shitty ghetto tower? That's based off a real place here that's basically a giant rape tower.
And on top of that shit was going mad max tier by the time I got out, there were literally roaming gangs of bikers stealing food from people outside of supermarkets. Not their money, their fucking food. Hell, there are bikers everywhere who have friends in La Guardia so they can get away with anything, they are literally hokuto no Ken villains.
On top of that you have cops mugging people in broad daylight, it happened to me and another friend of mine ended up dead because of it. They dragged him back to his house and left him to die there.
On top of that you have so many stray animals that you have a lot of legit dangerous rabid dogs all over the place that eat the homeless. That's another problem, there are homeless people, even kids, dying from infection and a plague disease nobody talks about that is literally as bad as something out of The Last of Us. Our biggest river is brown from all the shit we put in it, our buildings are falling apart and meanwhile government buildings are downright oppulant. In schools, girls only pass if they fuck the male teachers and boys are pretty much forced into being part of a gang, and we have more elderly people than young because the young are either cooped up universities being terrorized by people paid to suppress dissent, or dead from being part of a shitty degenerate culture.
It's insane, historically we started out identical to America and we somehow ended up one of the worst countries in the world. It makes me mad whenever I meet college kids who talk about socialism like it's anything good. As if the shit the bolsheviks pulled wasn't enough to prove communism was a horrific idea.
>>74804950
The problem was that Hitler plan WAS working. Germany got up in their feet and started to be an industrial player again. Germany middle class was thriving, Germany went from being in debt and bankrupt to basically create a system were there was opportunities and grow.
This happen in America as well, the founding fathers of America basically went to war against England because England want them to use the currency printed and controlled by the Central Bank of England which was a private bank at the time (that collected interest on the money issue to the English government), the refusal of the American colonies to basically turn into slaves of the banks didn't got unnoticed with Franklin basically saying that having someone control your currency is worse that having someone writing the laws for you, yet I never seen americans that actually understand this aspect of their own independence. The same is true about the American Civil War or the War with the British that basically pushed America into debt that later became the reason of the implementation of the Second Central Bank of America latter killed by Jackson (which was tried to be assassinated).
Understanding economics is understanding the history of our world and also it means basically seeing the invisible hands that rule each government and Nazi Germany wasn't playing by the same rules all the goyim nations have been following up to that point and for that it was targeted even BEFORE any aggression or state funded persecution started.
>>74805914
> another friend of mine ended up dead because of it.
well fuck
>>74805914
>Man, I moved out of venezuela a couple of months ago.
More like your parents moved in with family in the US
>>74806051
I don't think you understand economics. In 1776 there was almost no understanding of monetary policy and economics wasn't even a subject. It practically was born that year. The banks meme in the American revolution is just blown over proportion, they just wanted independence because they were taxed and not represented in the UK parliament. You're one of the most ignorant faggots I've ever seen.
>>74805914
FALLOUT 5: VENEZUELA
Call Todd, we got work to do.
>>74805914
How did you leave, tell me your secrets.
>>74805914
HIGH QUALITY BAIT
>>74806971
>Foreigners still hoping for a Fallout game not set in the US
>>74806673
Yeah because the Bank of England didn't killed of the Tally stick weren't manipulated and cornered by the Bank of England because it was a monetary system they didn't control.
You really think that colonies weren't going to pay taxes? They already did, the problem was the money that was going to be used to paid those taxes. Monetary polices have been basically the same since functionary reserves systems with leverage have been used since basically the implementation of legal supported currencies.
For example the Connecticut pound was not being controlled or manipulated by the Bank of England in any way shape or form, but the crown wanted to all local colonies currencies to stop circulating and use exclusively the English pound. You are the one that seems to have drunk the cool aid of historian that read mostly the same garbage instead of seeing the economic policies pushed by the government in those years and basically reaching a conclusion based on those policies instead of basically following what other authors without understanding of economics at all or their influence on society.
Yeah the colonies really went to war because of representation on parliament and not because of monetary issues despite all former american currencies up to the creation of their first central bank were all debt free.
>>74805914
You have got to go back.
>>74807378
>Amerifags still hoping Fallout won't become reality
>>74806051
Hitler printed money out of thin air to fund jobs. That was the secret.
>>74807378
I'd love a fallout set in Alaska though.
It's one of the more interesting locations in the Fallout Universe.
We're never getting a Fallout Portugal though.
>>74806641
Hell no, my parents are still in venezuela. Or should I say, my grandparents. My grandpa worked for a large engineering company until it got appropriated by the government. They proceeded to fire almost everyone and replace them with campesinos who didn't know what the fuck they were doing, and then they god la Guardia to "encourage" my grandfather to get a job somewhere else.
Which would've been fine as he was a university professor, but they started running those people out of the country for being "dissenting capitalists" so for the sake of his family's safety he just decided to get a job writing foreign articles and that only barely pays the bills, and he's moving up here in a few months as well.
Venezuela is seriously an Orwellian hell hole and it's mostly due to the little known fact that cuba has basically taken over our military and government behind the scenes. Like, it's not just an alliance, those fuckers literally have covert ops people brainwashing military personnel into either supporting cuba's interests over their own countrymen, or having "unfortunate accidents" that they blame on the people
And then I come here and it turns out cubans have fucking refugee benefits and even have well off areas in miami. And I've met cubans that fucking brag about it and then sneer to your face if you mention you are venezuelan.
It's a fucking disgrace.
>>74807595
Every Nation in the world does that, the issue is if they do it debt free or not and the policies on what to expend it on.
>>74807468
1. Economics is mad math, not your opinions. Do you know macro, micro, econometrics? That's economics. You didn't study it.
2. You are talking about something that resembles Political Science, not economics.
3. I think you're trolling because you're really talking nonsense.
