How do we kill all hungarians from this board?
just like we got them out of our rightful transilvania.
fight on fellow roman. fuck the bozgors
>>74735489
We need to drive them out of south slovakia and vojvodina too.We will create an enclave in Budapest and nuke the place.
>>74735580
i would be up for that 2bqh
>>74735580
>>74735630
redpill me on the goulash eating bozgors my white friends
tell them the gulash is on /b/
>>74735930
Basically magyars(turko-bashkir on-ogur tribe) invaded Panonia and tried to move further south-west,gets btfo at lechfield, settle back in pannonia and moved east and stole clay from aboriginals(romanians)
I have hungarian "friends" and they are subhumans
>>74736144
\desu you dont have to tell us, we already know they are untermenschen
why do hungarians have big dicks?
ITT gypsy thread
>>74736197
they dont
thats one self-reported study at hungarians
>>74736201
t. Hungarian diaspora
>>74736201
fuckouttahere.jpg
I was going to shitpost this thread but I'm curious. Why do Hungarians and Romanians hate each other?
>>74736404
centuries-long story short: hungarians have always wanted the most beautiful part of romania which is transilvanie, they think it's theirs for some reason and we beat the fuck out of them every time they tried taking it, now in the modern age they try to take it from us the same way muslims do: breeding us out of there.
They're self-entitled cunts desu but some of them are alright
>Nearly as prosperous as Western countries, but far more homogenous, no welfare net to appease lazy asses and immigrants
>more conservative than 95% of Europe
Sounds like Hungary is the future of Europe, I have massive respect for them. Haven't they build a giant fence too? Sounds like they have some common sense Europe lacks.
>>74736404
Leaving aside the fact that every neighbor hates them(because they tried to steal clay from everyone),we would have been allright if they didnt threat romanians as slaves throughout around 800 years, and lets not forget the genocides and magyarisations
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWgIJfRT7pI
>>74736465
>They're self-entitled cunts desu but some of them are alright
this.hungarian women suck a mean dick, i guarantee
>>74736495
hungary isn't all bad but a significant group of them are fucking dirty kikes that try to steal land. They resemble their mongoloid ancestors so in a way they're like niggers, can't get the mongoloid out of the bozgor the same way you can't get the jungle out of a nigger
Hungarians are the true romans
>>74736646
WUZ WAFFLEZ N SHIET
I wish Romanians were friends with Hungary and Ukraine desu
>>74735443
Fuck off Romanogypsy
>>74736771
why so many hungarian pornstars and hooker are hungarians in swiss?
Tbh, the amount of shitposters from Romania makes me like Hungary that just more. Plus it's so easy to piss you gyps off.
GIVE BACK STOLEN LAND FAGS!
>>74736800
DELET THIS
>>74736811
> romania's land for centuries
> stolen
why don't you come take it from us, jamal?
>>74735443
I'd prefer to remove you faggots from here.
You are true gypsy filth of this place, and should be purged.
>>74736848
>calls us gypsy
>has a gypsy carpet as flag
>>74736811
fuck off american mongrel
>>74735443
Romanians are an annoying people.
>>74736848
kek flag looks like gypsy clothes
>>74736811
>Tbh, the amount of shitposters from Romania makes me like Hungary that just more
This tbqh
>>74736800
Your Roma brothers have truly spread far and wide
Stop threatening my kin!
I've been to Slovakia a couple times because a friend of mine has family there. A common theme across everyone we meet there seems to be that everyone hates Hungarians. And they insist that this holds true with all the surrounding countries.
>Romania
Hahahaha.
>>74736982
>>74736969
>>74736949
proof that mongoloids are always united in stealing land
>>74736969
hungarians speak a uralic language not finno-ugric.Genetically and lingusitically you have no relationship
>>74736969
Turanians shall prevail, my friend. Brown gypsy sub-humans are destined to extermination.
>>74737057
>Romania
Oh lord make it stop.
>>74737138
>hungarians
>turan
lmao they are as slav as poles
>>74737130
Finno-Ugric is a subset of Uralic which is a subset of Ural-Altaic, so yes,we are related.
>>74737193
It isn't about genetics but common cultural and linguistic heritage, my brown gypsy friend.
>>74737138
wait you want hungarians to be exterminated?
>>74737200
"The Tat C allele is an interesting marker in the Finno-Ugric context, distributed in all the Finno-Ugric-speaking populations, except for Hungarians."
ayyy
>It isn't about genetics but common cultural and linguistic heritage
>hungarian culture
their history starts with 986
>>74737269
>"The Tat C allele is an interesting marker in the Finno-Ugric context, distributed in all the Finno-Ugric-speaking populations, except for Hungarians."
That particular allele is found at a high frequency among Latvians and Lithuanians for instance as well. Like I said, Turanian kinship was never about genetics, but common cultural and linguistic heritage.
>talk to Hungarians
>literally subhumans, I have no idea why I bothered
>see this thread
>search for the term "bozgor"
>mfw
based Romans, shame about the gypsy shit tho
>>74737421
>That particular allele is found at a high frequency among Latvians and Lithuanians
hmm maybe because they were neighbor for thousands of years?
>>74737421
>>74737200
>>74736771
Kill yourself retarded mongol
>>74736046
>This is what romanians actually believe
>>74735443
But why? Based Hungarians are bros.
>>74737624
German/Russian rape babies may not share their opinion on actual matters thank you
>>74737436
>>74737478
It's only natural a Swede would defend his Indo-European gyppobrothers, lies and deceit are deeply ingrained into the mentality of imperialist vermin like Swedes.
>>74737696
Rich, Swen.
Says the race not even able to sustain its own existence. You are literally less able to exist than rats.
>>74736248
You may just have a bad experience. In jails, you can meet fellow gypsies with romania-standard dicks.
Should you lose some weight, and then you can take not just the tip of it, but a bigger part next time.
>>74737696
Stay mad, Per-Sven. Soon enough your kind will cease to exist.
We make sure they're all asleep, then we sneak in through their windows and... Well you get the idea
>>74737966
Oh look its the Romanian inferiority complex showing again
>tfw they feel proud about stealing rightful Hungarian lands by being rats
I guess it suits you guys, a bunch of dirty inbred gypsies
It must be sad having to make things up to feel proud if your god awful country
Your relevance will always be zero because you're a country of dumb mediocre subhumans circlejerking some fantasy that your history somehow matters
>>74738486
dumb mongrel
>>74737130
Finno-Ugric is part of Uralic languages
And Hungarians are finno ugric
Uralic languages are just finno-ugric + samoyedic
>>74738654
>And Hungarians are finno ugric
genetically no.
>>74736800
If you're going to lie at least put some effort in it you disgusting gypsy.
>>74736800
>>74738741
>>74738741
No shit, that's cos the original Hungarians who migrated to their current homeland interbred a lot with the slavs. Same with the Finns going with the Swedes.
>>74738825
>No shit, that's cos the original Hungarians who migrated to their current homeland interbred a lot with the slavs
No.There is absolutely no trace of any non-european in hungarians.If they interbreeded we wlould have seen it.Hungarians are just politically magayrised slavo-vlacho-germans.
Get back over the Danube, fucking Latin-Albos!
>>74738946
oh look its the proofless already-owned Roesler theory.This is on par with afrocentrists.
>>74736936
look who the fuck is talking, mr gentleman himself
>>74739016
Shut up gypsy. Stay out of America you fucking smelly thieving scumbag
>>74738704
>>74738892
Again, Turanian kinship never was about genetics.
>>74739095
fuck off back to africa you disgusting nigger, america is for europeans, not niggers and mongols
>>74739203
Whiter than you, fucking dirty shot eating mongrel. Romania isn't white
>>74739016
You people really are as bad as Albanians when it comes to chauvinistic projecting of present day politics into the ancient past! )))
You are Vlachified Slavs, accept it. No shame in it. The Slavs are one of the greatest peoples ever to walk the earth. You just learnt messed up Latin from some Shqiptar shepherds who saw an opportunity to expand into good pasture lands across the Dunarea.
You walk around all day shouting "da!" and call each other "priaten", ffs.
>>74739235
fuck off and build the wall pedro, and afterwards kill yourself you subhuman shitskin
>>74738825
Swedish admixture is really insignificant, even among Finlandswedes.
>>74739267
>You people really are as bad as Albanians when it comes to chauvinistic projecting of present day politics into the ancient past! )))
we dont care about any ancient past.
>You are Vlachified Slavs, accept it. No shame in it. The Slavs are one of the greatest peoples ever to walk the earth. You just learnt messed up Latin from some Shqiptar shepherds who saw an opportunity to expand into good pasture lands across the Dunarea.
fantasy.
>You walk around all day shouting "da!" and call each other "priaten", ffs.
and?We have around 15% slavic words.Yes, we assimilated slavs, we never denied it.
>>74739283
>oh shit, my bad ethnic guess was wrong
>lemme be wrong again
I actually have white genes unlike your gutter trash. Better be quick, the caravan is leaving to the sewer system for dinner!
>>74735443
typical gypo faggot. every one knows you half kebab.
>enter anti-Hungarian thread
>everyone is shitting on romanians
>is a retarded mongol
>tries to defend their land by calling in aid the shitty suomi
>subhumans of europe that need to be purged
get of this board bozgors reeeeeeee
>>74739385
>fantasy.
Not any more so than your Daco-Roman fairytales.
>>74739476
We got your back, Magyarbro.
Vesszen Trianon!
>>74739487
Imagine that, Romania has no allies. Turns out that people don't want to be friends with thieves.
>>74739493
fairy-tales arent supported by all convemporany writtings ever,by every archaelogical&genetical&anthropological& lingusitical fact and most importantly aren unanimously accepted by every encyclopedia today :)
Stay mad, you aren't getting Transylvania, no matter how many attempts you try .
>>74739587
Hahaha, what's gonna stop anyone? The only reason your shit country exists is because it's too irrelevant for real countries to car about. Watch it, gypsy
>>74739668
cant you see no one is giving attention to your mongrel posts?
>>74739716
Then why are you getting triggered?
>>74739587
>fairy-tales arent supported by all convemporany writtings ever,by every archaelogical&genetical&anthropological& lingusitical fact and most importantly aren unanimously accepted by every encyclopedia today :)
You're delusional, my brown gyppofriend.
http://www.imninalu.net/myths-Vlach.htm
>>74739385
>Yes, we assimilated slavs, we never denied it.
"You" (plural) assimilated nothing. You didn't exist when this was happening. You are a new product of it all. You only existed as your separate distinct ingredients at the time. And your Slavonic ancestors in the 9th century or whenever outnumbered your Romance ancestors. Herders came in and assimilated agriculturalists. This is just so painfully obvious.
You have stock rearing words that are cognate with Albanian.
Your agricultural vocabulary is Slavonic. (lopat, greblya, brazda, tornucopul, gunoi, morkov)
You are mostly descended from Slavs (who will have assimilated many Dacians, sure). Deal with it, priyatel moi.
You don't and you can't.
>>74739750
>a proofless website that 99.99999% of population doesnt even know of its existence
you really owned me bozgor.
>>74739774
>"You" (plural) assimilated nothing. You didn't exist when this was happening. You are a new product of it all. You only existed as your separate distinct ingredients at the time.
proofless accusations.
>And your Slavonic ancestors in the 9th century or whenever outnumbered your Romance ancestors
proofless accusations.
> Herders came in and assimilated agriculturalists. This is just so painfully obvious.
proofless accusations
>
You have stock rearing words that are cognate with Albanian
proofless accusations.perhaps should I open the "Language of thraco-dacians" a book compressing all we know about thracians and own you?
>Your agricultural vocabulary is Slavonic. (lopat, greblya, brazda, tornucopul, gunoi, morkov)
This is not an argument.
>You are mostly descended from Slavs (who will have assimilated many Dacians, sure). Deal with it, priyatel moi.
proofless accusations.
>>74739979
You're just fucking retarded, it's hilarious! You can't even BEGIN to counter any of my points without bleating some stupid little phrase again and again! SO Albanian! :D
>>74739979
>proof less accusations
Sounds like you can't refute anything
>>74735443
You can't.
>>74740091
>You can't even BEGIN to counter any of my points
you dont have any points.Points are backed up by sources.
>SO Albanian!
Weak persona attack.Shows insecurity.
>:D
again insecurity.
>>74740130
I am not forced to answer proofless accusations.
>>74740193
>I'm not forced to argue with you when you're right
FTFY
>>74740246
this is you and the spanish guy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYOy1tuVv3w
>>74740312
That a sick not-argument, gypsy
>>74740343
fight fire with fire
>>74740380
Except he put forth arguments. But expected a gypsy to start fires if they could claim insurance.
>>74740458
I cant see any arguments.
Repeating wont make it valid.
>>74739543
Thanks, you're a real bro. And while we're at it, Karelia is rightful Finnish clay!
>>74740603
the next Trianon is when Romania annexes Hungary up untill Tisa :)
https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regiuni_istorice_rom%C3%A2ne%C8%99ti
>>74740603
<3
>>74740714
Brown Romanogypsy sub-humans will be wiped off this earth soon enough. You bring out the same kind of primal disgust in people that Albanians do. Just look at how this thread backfired on you.
>>74741012
>You bring out the same kind of primal disgust in people that Albanians do
>the romanians are rlated with albanians myth 19th century myth
>albanians are thracian or any other thracian subgroup myth 1th century myth
except 63 words(who are from a carphato-danubo-balkanic substratum before roman epoque ), we have different everything , from genetics(romanians I2,R1A&R1B, albanians:E1b,J2) to culture.
>>74741174
Butt mad gypsy trying to act like he isn't the Eternal Mutt
>>74741606
>calls romanians mutts
>he is a mixed race americun mongrel
>>74741770
>muh Americans are mixed
Hahaha, your land was conquered and roses dozens of times in the last century, yet you think anyone else is a mutt. Cute
>>74740193
>you dont have any points.Points are backed up by sources.
I cite the fucking DEX, nobhead.
https://dexonline.ro/
- Your national dictionary!
I even gave you a list of words - for shovel, rake, furrow, pickaxe, manure, and CARROT. Your Latin speaking ancestors were unable to uproot these words, because they were such an essential part of the intimate daily working life of your Slavonic ancestors. And agriculturalists will always outnumber pastoralists, just as pastoralists, with their mobility and warlike nature, are so apt to conquer agriculturalists. It's so obvious that it kills me that you fuckwits can't accept what happened to produce your people.
>>74741770
the most race mixing you see here is shit like anglo-aryan people desu but at least you tried little dude!
>>74742162
>I even gave you a list of words - for shovel, rake, furrow, pickaxe, manure, and CARROT.
and this a non-argument.
>Your Latin speaking ancestors were unable to uproot these words, because they were such an essential part of the intimate daily working life of your Slavonic ancestors
false assumptions again.
> And agriculturalists will always outnumber pastoralists, just as pastoralists, with their mobility and warlike nature, are so apt to conquer agriculturalists. It's so obvious that it kills me that you fuckwits can't accept what happened to produce your people.
proofless accusations.
LOOK!Do you OR DO YOU NOT have contemporany writtings(of ANY migration from South),archaeological&linguistical&genetical facts?
>>74741174
>except 63 words
You are so basic in your intellect, that you think it's a matter of quantities... What IS important is that these words are used for certain spheres of life.
It's just so childishly stupid and unrealistic to imagine that Romanised people remained in Dacia from 250 AD to the late middle ages, despite all the insane chaos of the age of migrations. I don't know how anyone in their right mind can believe it.
Daily reminder all Romanians are underage reddit frogposters
Ignore them.
>>74742309
Like a fucking parrot. It's embarrassing to even witness this. Do you not feel a hint of shame, or are you really so stupid that you believe what you say? Ah well, I shouldn't dismiss the power of brainwashed fanaticism!
>>74742385
>What IS important is that these words are used for certain spheres of life.
what spheres of life?Not even one hints to any sphere of life.They are UNKNOWN words.
>>74742462
LOOK!Do you OR DO YOU NOT have contemporany writtings(of ANY migration from South),archaeological&linguistical&genetical facts?
>>74735443
This shit again seriously Ceausescu go away your shitposts are not even australia tier
>>74736465
>transylvania
>beautiful nowadays
Circlejerking.
give back my soiled flag you savages
>>74742814
>bozgors could never appreciate nature
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QM9X-_-dQ98
>>74742879
*blows anally*
>>74736800
Nice map editing skills
>>74740091
>SO Albanian!
Don't drag us into this.
>>74742541
>DO YOU NOT have contemporany writtings
You would have to be stupid to expect that they would exist. There are any number of things that happened in murky ages of Europe's past for which there are no direct written accounts. Get over it, for fuck's sake. Come back to COMMON SENSE:
Rome evacuated. No fucker would have wanted to remain behind in Dacia if they were romanised.
North of the Danube was scene to tumultous changes during the age of migrations.
There is a massive Slavonic layer in your toponymy, dating from this period.
Your agricultural vocabulary is Slavonic.
Your language is a very close cousin of those spoken down on the Greek/Bulgarian border.
You have lots of shared vocabulary with Albanian.
Vlachs WERE noted as migrating long distances - there were settlements ALL the way along the Carpathians, even into Moravia.
The southern bank of the Danube was totally slavonicised, after many centuries of Roman life, and you expect us to believe that Romance lingered in the wild forests of Dacia, planted there only during a fairly brief military occupation???
The answer is obvious: A group of romanised shepherds who lived near the Albanians (probably in modern Serbia, or the nearer part of Bulgaria) moved across the Danube to take advantage of the free lands left abandoned following the chaos that had taken place there. They were anxious to leave the southern bank, where the Slavonic peoples were establishing strong kingdoms, so they went and built their own, only having to overcome a bunch of disorganised Slavonic peasants.
>>74740091
Talking about Albanians, why are some white as snow with blue eyes (although having dark brown hair) while most of them look like paki's anyone have more info about the ethnicities of albania/kosovo?
>>74742990
They're your retarded cousins who took a few Italian classes but never really got their heads around the grammar... ;)
OK I WILL SPEND EXACTLY 5MINUTE TO OWN THIS PROPAGANDIST
>>74743240
Why should that surprise anyone? Europeans were not produced in a fucking SS cloning factory, you mong.
>>74743187
1.You would have to be stupid to expect that they would exist. There are any number of things that happened in murky ages of Europe's past for which there are no direct written accounts. Get over it, for fuck's sake. Come back to COMMON SENSE:
a)Lets say that byzantines slipped and didnt record a migration(even one as huge as the supposedly "vlach migration").Lets say that not even 1 kingdom(bulgarian,hungarian,pecheneg,cuman,sserb) etc recorded it neither.
Lets see first all the writtings about vlachs ever written:
The Byzantine chronicler Priscus of Panium mentions in the year 448, the presence of a Latin-speaking populace North of the Danube.
In 545, Procopius of Caesarea mentions[not in citation given] [19] "The trick played by an Ant from present-day Moldavia who is supposed to have passed himself off as a Byzantine General by speaking a form of Latin which he had learned in these regions."
Alfred the Great's translation of the Historiae Adversus Paganos—a fifth-century work by Orosius "referred to "the Dacians, who were formerly Goths" and lived "east of the Moravians and the "Vistula country".
An ancient letter from one Emmerich of Elwangen to Grimaldus, abbot of St. Gall, written about 860 mention Vlachs, under the name of Dacians, living north of Danube together with Germans, Sarmatians, and Alans.
The chronicle Oguzname, the oldest Turkish chronicle in existence, mentioning a warlike expedition of the Cumans, affirms the existence of a “Country of the Vlachs” (Ulaqi) east of the Carpathians in 839, affirming that the region was well organized and with a powerful army.
The Weltchronik of Jansen Enikel, written in Vienna in 1277, mentions Charlemagne going on a campaign in the east (around 8th century) and met with Wallachians.
>>74743505
An entry in the so-called Suidas lexicon drawnup at some point during the second half of the tenth century, claims that Dacians were now called Pechenegs.This can only mean that the Pechenegs were ruling over the local population,dacians.
Ibn al-Nadim wrote of vlachs, a population with extreme blonde hair living with different eastic population "the Turks, the Bulgar,the Burghaz, the Khazar, the Llan (Alans)".
The Byzantine writer Joannes Kinnamos writes of the Vlachs North of the Danube in 1167, saying:Leon, also known as Vatatzes, brought many soldiers from other areas, even a large number of Vlachs, about whom it is said that they are the descendants of colonists from Italy. [39]
An armenian geographical writting(by 7th Ananias of Shirak (Shirakats’i) and copied in 9th century by Moses Khorenats’i) mentions the country Balak inhabited by 25 slavic tribes,situated North of Bulgary and neighbour with that of Sarmatians.
The Weltchronik of 1277, referring to the ninth century, calls those Dacians for "Wallachen".
The old Russian Chronicle "Povesti vremennâh let” written around 1100-1111 mentions Valachs being North of Danube fighting with hungarians.(B.D.Grekov, Kievskaia Rusi, Moscova,1953, pag. 441)
Hypatian Codex in "Ipatiev Chronicle", vlachs lived in X-XII century on Dnister, and Podolia.
>>74743585
And let not forget the first slavic chronicle and very famous, Kievan Rus of Nestor,stating that vlachs came from Romania and settled in Panonia too
Nestor's Chronicle, (1097-1110), relating events from 862 to 1110, mentions Wallachians attacking and subduing the Slavs north of Danube and settling among them. [25] {{Quote|For many years the Slavs lived beside the Danube, where the Hungarian and Bulgarian lands now lie. From among these Slavs, parties scattered throughout the country and were known by appropriate names, according to the places where they settled. Thus some came and settled by the river Morava, and were named Moravians, while others were called Czechs. Among these same Slavs are included the White Croats, the Serbs, and the Khorutanians. For when the Vlakhs (??????) attacked the Danubian Slavs, settled among them, and did them violence, the latter came and made their homes by the Vistula, and were then called Liakhs. (...) [40]
Coming from the east, they /the Magyars/ marched in haste over the high mountains, which are called the mountains of the Magyars, and began to fight against the Volochi (??????) and the Slavs who inhabited these countries. The Slavs had originally lived there, and the Volochi (????????) had subdued the country of the Slavs. Later, however, the Magyars drove out the Volochi (??????), subdued the Slavs, and settled in their country. Since then, that region has been called Hungary.|Primary Chronicle [40]
>>74743341
What? I'm just asking about the genetic makeup of albanians when most of them are quite swarthy are the lighter ones result of slav genes or wathever?
>>74743675
According to Strategikon of Kekaumenos (1066), the Vlachs of Epirus and Thessalia came from north of the Danube and from along the Sava."These /Vlachs/ are, in fact, the so-called Dacians, also called Bessians. Earlier they lived in the vicinity of the Danube and Saos, a river which we now call Sava, where the Serbians live today, and /later/ withdrew to their inaccessible fortifications. (...) And these left the region: some of them were dispersed to Epirus and Macedonia, and a large number established themselves in Hellas."
-Ibn al-Nadim wrote of vlachs, a population with extreme blonde hair living with different eastic population "the Turks, the Bulgar, the Blaghā’, the Burghaz, the Khazar, the Llān (Alans)".
Gesta hungarorum thr first hungarian chronicle, paralel with Thomas of Spalato(Thomas the Archdeacon) , paralel with Descriptio Europæ Orientalis(mention ten Vlach kings that were defeated by the Hungarians of Arpad.), paralel with Gesta Henrici.
>>74743675
>>74743585
>>74743505
this is nice novel
>>74743784
t.banana republic
>>74743699
white looking Albanians had ancestors that didn't get raped by turks
t. Illyrian
V4 against romanians gypsies
>>74743240
There is a large Roma population that have adopted the Albanian identity. Those are probably the Paki looking ones. Other than that, some look more Mediterranean than others, but will often have the same facial structure. They share the same predominant Y-Haplogroup with Greeks, e-v13, a subclade of E1b1b that originated in Europe. Kosovo Albanians have the highest concentration of e-v13.
So as we can see, all the writtings every written about vlachs, even before 1000 AC, mention vlachs as dacians and as autochtonous.no migration wahtsoever.
But I will continue.We just got started.
>Rome evacuated. No fucker would have wanted to remain behind in Dacia if they were romanised.
False, proofless propaganda from Rosler.
The Roman-Gothic author Jordanes, who was raised in Moesia and was familiar with the ethnic character of the area, [12] wrote in the 6th century that the Romans had only moved the legions from Dacia, and not the population.
the Emperor Aurelian, calling his legions from here (evocatis exinde legionibus), settled them in Moesia and there, on the other side, he founded Dacia Mediterranea and Dacia Ripensis —Jordanes [13]
At the time of the Aurelian withdrawal Dacia is assumed to have had a populace of roughly 1 million inhabitants, most of them in rural communities. [57] In order for the Romans to have evacuated all of the colonists from Dacia would have required significant logistical planning and manpower. However, no single logistical document referring to this withdrawal has ever been found, no census of how many colonists were withdrawn. There are no catalogues of who was moved and when. Furthermore, there is no archaeological evidence South of the Danube for a drastically increased population. [22]
Numerous archaeological sites prove the continuity of Latin settlements north of the Danube after the evacuation of 271 [22] , including:
Daco-Roman ceramic artifacts from the 5th-6th centuries, found at: Bratei, Soporu de Câmpie, Verbiţa, Sǎrata Monteoru
Christian tombs and objects found at: Cluj-Napoca, Alba-Iulia, Biertan, Dej
Many inscriptions in the Latin language: inscriptions on silver ring from Micia, ceramic objects from Porolissum, brick found at Gornea, inscription on bronze object found at Biertan (reading "EGO ZENOVIUS VOTUM POSUI").
Walls erected in the 4th century at Sarmizegetusa. [22]
>>74743878
albanians are not illyrians, illyrians were either romanised as dalmatians and vlachs, and the rest slavonised.But this is not the subject of our discussion now.
>mfw I'm not going to activate the nato sheild when missle is heading for bozgors
>>74743930
more like v2 in ur cuntry
>>74743187
>North of the Danube was scene to tumultous changes during the age of migrations.
Lets open a few hundred archaelogical sites from the age of migration.Oh wait?Do they all unanimously show "Free-dacians" and "daco-roman" continuity?Yea.
The following locations show continuous Daco-Roman habitation from the 3rd to the 5th century [75]
Mines: Baia de Cris, Tincova, Ruda, Alun, Hunedoara, Baita Cib, Fizes, Cabesti, Videim, Albac, Bistrita de Sus, Vidra, Cimpeni Lupsa, Salciua, Podeni, Potaissa, Baisoara, Valea Ierii.
Monetary thesauri: Bicasi, Pilu, Carei, Copalnic, Soimuseni, Doba Mica, Simieu Silvaniei, Porolissum, Babiu, Gurani, Sintna, Arad, Pecica, Cenad, Horia, Biled, Carani, Jimbova, Checea, Unip, Faget, Debra, Deva, Huedoara, Sepes, Ungureni, Apulum, Seica Mica, Seica Mare, Sura Mare, Sibiu, Ocna Sibiului Soars, Lasiea
Daco-Roman and Roman settlements: Taga, Soporu, Band, Lechinta, Ludus, Cipau, Brateiu, Seica Mica, Biertan, Sighisoara, Sinpaul, Morada, Ineu, Pilu, Biharia, Berca, Mediesu Aurit, Apa, Dej, Rascruci, Napoca, Baciu, Sebes, Hatg, Deva, Debra, Apulum, Gura Vaii, Cazanesti, Hateg, Faroia.
Major Cities and forts: Deva, Haţeg, Hunedoara, Sighişoara, Ulpia Traiana Sarmisegetuza, Bistriţa, Bicasi.
Bridges: Apulum
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>>74743954
We Wuz dacians n sheeet
>>74739847
>MFW romanian gypsies are trying to steal a hungarian king
I just went and looked at Google Maps. I zoomed in on the area around Târgu Jiu, to look at the place-names....
And they are LAUGHABLY Slavonic! Targu itself is obviously from the Slavonic word for market or trade - torgovati. But there are little places called Krasna (beautiful/red), Prigoria (by the Hill), Rudina (mine), Pojogeni (a burnt area), Dumbraveni (place of oak trees)... it's FAR more Slavonic than I even expected!
Step 1: You don't.
>>74744289
>hungarian king
His father Iancu Corvin was romanian
>And they are LAUGHABLY Slavonic! Targu itself is obviously from the Slavonic word for market or trade - torgovati. But there are little places called Krasna (beautiful/red), Prigoria (by the Hill), Rudina (mine), Pojogeni (a burnt area), Dumbraveni (place of oak trees)... it's FAR more Slavonic than I even expected!
laugh how much you want, this is all you have.But dont worry, untill 300 post limit we will also get to the slavonic component.
>>74744289
>Mfw even though romanian historians say its bullshit to claim them romanian
>>74744394
Yeah sure and so was jesus he was romanian aswell
>>74744123
The cultural elements and styles of archaeological artefacts discovered over the period of the 3rd-5th centuries show a clear material and stylistic continuity, indicating continuous habitation by the same people. The cultural character of the findings remains the same until the 6th century, with the arrival of the Slavs. [76]
Ceramic manufacturing traditions continue from the pre-Roman to the Roman era continue both in Roman Dacia and unoccupied Dacia, and these traditions continue well into the fourth and fifth centuries. [77]
Cemeteries in Roman Dacia show cremation consistently across every necropolis, a pre-Roman Dacian tradition. Materials buried with cremated people are comparable both in Roman and in Free Dacia suggesting the native population did not suffer materially due to Roman occupation. [78]
Though there is a change from cremation to inhumation in the post-Roman period inhumation was an increasingly popular concept in the 3rd century. The rich ceramic remains in these necropoli are identical in technology to pre-Roman and Roman era tombs, including the presence of Roman amphorae and wheel-made, gravel-tempered, or hand-made pots. [79]
A noteworthy aspect of third to fifth century graves is the widespread distribution (from Transylvania to the Ukrainian border) and substantial number of objects of Roman manufacture, in excellent condition, which must be indicative of an active system of exchange. [80]
Archaeological surveys of the Banat region record numerous settlements, storage pits, pottery kilns, glass furnaces, metallurgical production sites, and coins (both as hoards and found on sites) [81] which indicate a continuation of both sedentary population and maintenance of Roman military and economic interests. [82]
Circulation of Roman coins grew both in Roman and Free Dacia in the 1st and 2nd centuries, declining in the third but then rising again since the 4th century [83]
>>74744478
bozgor you are BOZGORS, people with no history, magyarised language shifters.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hunyadi#Childhood_.28c._1406.E2.80.93c._1420.29
>>74744531
The extent and increase in coin circulation even after the Roman withdrawal from Dacia and as far north as Transcarpathia is argued by some prominent archaeologists to have no other analogy in neighboring provinces, nor in any other barbarian territory [84]
Some cities show the absence of Dacian names completely from inscriptions but which show Dacian burial rituals, indicating that Dacians near urban centers were rapidly Romanized, adopting Roman names but maintaining their old traditions. [85]
Archaeological digs throughout Transylvania and Romania have discovered many clay pots dating from the IV, V, VI, and VII centuries. What makes these pots particularly interesting is that they were made using the potter's wheel, an invention which no migratory people had when the came through Romania. The only population which could have produced these pots is one which had sufficient contact with the Roman and Hellenic world to adopt this style of making pots. We know the Slavs did not adopt this style until much later because pots made without the use of the potter's wheel are also found throughout Romania during this time. [22]
The thousands of old Roman coins dating from the IV, V and VI centuries found on Romania are peculiar because they are a) made of bronze and b) show the portrait of contemporary emperors on them. The first part affirms that these coins were not valuable, meaning that they were common currency.
>>74744394
>laugh how much you want, this is all you have.
It's a LOT! You live in a Slavonic country, and deny it, hilarious!
I regret that the 4chan format is not the best one for discussing things point by point, but I'm afraid your chauvinist inspired historians have had many decades more than I to concoct a semi-plausible case for their version. I can only keep coming back to the basic facts on the ground. The historical accounts are not nearly so conclusive as you claim, many being written centuries after the event or in a very vague way about far off territories.
>>74744608
There is no way such coins could have found their way into Romania through tribute or trade between the Romans and barbarians because the Goths, Avars, Huns, and others would only accept gold coins and items as tribute, as bronze coins had little value or use to them. The material indicates that these coins were used as a common bartering currency for low-value items (like food or iron) by a poor populace. Their number, and the diverse locations that they've been found in, indicates that this populace was large, and spread all over the country. The second aspect reflects the historical fact that there was significant communication between this proto-Romanian populace and the Roman Empire, enough to allow for the accurate re-minting of coins. Even if the coins were imported by the proto-Romanians from the Romans, it still is evidence of significant contact between the Romans and the Romanians North of the Danube. [22]
A Daco-Roman necropolis was discovered in Sibiu belonging to the local population, which had, among the objects buried with the deceased, ceramic objects of Roman cultural origin, coins from the time of Antonius Pius (138-161) and Septimius Sever (193-211) and vases made in the Dacian style. [22] [86]
During the 5th-7th centuries houses all over Romania are noted as having "vatra" ovens, being ovens made of clay and surrounded by stones. These ovens could not have belonged to the Slavs who had a different style of construction, and is noticeable in Dacian-occupied areas in Romania during the 1st-3rd century. Traditional Roman ovens were also discovered in the same area as these "vatra ovens." [87]
>>74744623
N-th time Im telling you to shut the fuck up.You dont even have the slightest argument or fact.Stop barking weakling.and 3rd time im telling you, if you repeat a sentence it wont make it true.We will cover teh salvic element later, like I said.
The Slavic elements in Romanian are present only in particular words, and not in the grammatical structure or the phonology and structure of words in Romanian. This indicates linguistically that by the time the Slavs mingled with the Romanians, the Latin element in the Romanian language was already solidified, and only a super-stratum of Slavic words, many of which are synonyms for Latin words, could be added. [22]
I've spent some time in Hungary and Romania and Hungary was by far the better place. I only enjoyed speaking to two Romanians: one was in Bucharest who seemed more Western European and one was Hungarian ethnically.
Transylvania needs to be given back to the Hungarians and the rest of Romania needs to be nuked.
>>74744572
L-lets call him bozgor t-thatll show him
Also just because they had their names written down in latin that doesnt mean they are romanian m8 you do know that Hunyadi isnt a romanian name
>>74744531
>indicating continuous habitation by the same people. The cultural character of the findings remains the same until the 6th century, with the arrival of the Slavs.
This has always been my position - the NON-romanised, or barely-romanised, native Dacian peasantry will have stayed where they were. The Romans and romanised elite will have fucked off to Constantinople, Revenna or just into Moesia. Continuity of occupation is not of language. Look at Britain - it was ruled FAR longer by Rome than Dacia was, and in a far more secure way (Dacia was always under siege, really), and yet the Welsh still kept their language.
The Dacian farmers - your majority ancestors - are probably a continuous population from PRE-IE times, even. They came under IE rulers, i.e. the Dacians, then Romans, and then the Slavs, and later on, the Vlachs. All the linguistic evidence suggests they were speaking Slavonic before they switched to Romance.
>>74739750
That site has as much legitimacy as sites claiming Ceaușescu had laser tanks in 1960
>>74743187
3.
>Your agricultural vocabulary is Slavonic.
This is not an argument on any level whatsoever.Even more, we also have latin and other language synonyms for them.
>Your language is a very close cousin of those spoken down on the Greek/Bulgarian border.
Old Roesler argument.Megleno-krko-istro-aro-vlachs are just the left over collonies of romans in balkans.They are considered a different language.Even more, they do not have any dacian or latin atutochtonous words.They are simple colonies.
their absence in Aromanian (Balkan Romanian dialect spoken in peaceful area) – indicates the continuity of the Latinophons in northern Danubian region, this despite dire and constant defensive wars with Germanic, Turanian and Slavic populations who entered and eventually settled there. This linguistic evidence challenges the Roeslerian theory. The vestiges from sermo castrensis particularize the Romanian language in the neolatin area, together with its isolated history.[10]
>>74744844
OK.Looks like you want to be owned too.
Fact:Every writtings about Iancu Corvin call him unanimously vlach.Even King Sigismund, who gave him the title and crown.
John Hunyadi (Hungarian: Hunyadi János, Romanian: Ioan de Hunedoara; c. 1406 – 11 August 1456) was a leading Hungarian military and political figure in Central and Southeastern Europe during the 15th century. According to most contemporary sources, he was the son of a noble family of Romanian ancestry.
The Hunyadi family were a noble family in the medieval Kingdom of Hungary, of Wallachian[5] (Romanian)[6][7][8] origin according to the majority of sources. Hunyadi was named Valachus or Balachus ("the Wallachian") in some contemporary texts.[9]
A royal charter of grant issued on 18 October 1409 contains the first reference to John Hunyadi.[1][2][3] In the document, King Sigismund of Hungary bestowed Hunyad Castle (in present-day Hunedoara, Romania) and the lands attached to it upon John's father, Voyk and Voyk's four kinsmen, including John himself.[4]Voyk was born in Wallachia, according to the nearly contemporaneous historians Johannes de Thurocz and Gáspár Heltai.[7] Voyk had been serving as a "court knight" in the royal court when he received the demesne of Hunyad from King Sigismund, suggesting that he was descended from a prominent Wallachian family.[7] Modern historian, Kubinyi, wrote that Voyk most probably joined Sigismund in 1395.[7] In this year, Sigismund invaded Wallachia and restored his vassal, Mircea the Old to the princely throne.[29]/B]
According to other opinions, John Hunyadi came from a modest Romanian noble family from Hațeg.[10] The Hunyadis were first recorded in a royal charter of 1409 in which Sigismund of Luxembourg, then King of Hungary, granted Vojk the Hunyad Castle (in contemporary Hungarian: Hunyadvár, later Vajdahunyad, in present-day Romanian: Hunedoara) and its estates for his distinction in the wars against the Ottomans.
>>74744844
He was explicitely called a vlach by his contemporaries.
Your move.
>>74745135
Woyk (Voicu, Vajk) — Hunyadi's father — was described as being of Vlach descent by medieval chroniclers[11][12] and modern historians.[13][14][15][16][17] He was a nobile Knyaz[18] from Wallachia.[18][19][20]
The German-born king of Hungary Sigismund of Luxemburg actually calls John a Romanian directly saying in one of his documents "Ioannes Olak, filius quondam Woyk de Huniade."
His grandfather, Serban (recorded Serbe) migrated into Transylvania from Wallachia (a region almost homogenously Romanian). Johannes de Thurocz said that John Hunyadi "was descended from a noble and renowned race of Wallachia".[10][14] "Quod ad genus tuum attinet, te ab ipsis vetustissimis Valachorum principibus originem ducere, patre natus Stephano Olacho [Olah is the Hungarian way of saying Vlach], viro praestanti, cujus etiam aliqui tua familia Daciae Transalpinae [the Romanians were called "Dacians" by most Medieval writers], quae nunc Valachorum patria est, principes fuerint." He also continues later "inter quos Valachi gentiles tui minime postremos habent....Johannes de Thurocz also wrote that King Sigismund, fascinated by Voyk's fame, "took him away from Wallachia to his own realm and settled him there",[14] suggesting that Voyk moved from his Wallachian homeland to the Kingdom of Hungary.[7]
Voyk's son, John Hunyadi, bore the nickname "Olah", meaning "Vlach", in his youth, which implied that he was of Romanian stock.[2][3] The court historian of Voyk's grandson King Matthias Corvinus, Antonio Bonfini, explicitly stated that John had been "born to a Vlach father".[6][7]
>>74745166
Pope Pius II writes that Hunyadi did not increase so much the glory of the Hungarians, but especially the glory of the Romanians among whom he was born.[217][218][219][220]
Aeneas Sylvius Piccolomini (Pope Pius II) wrote "the Hungarians being occupied in the wars with the Turks under the leadership of Hunyadi, remained more as winners than as losers. This man was a Dacian (today we call them Valahi) and not of noble birth, but well learned in weapons, and was the first to show the Hungarians that the Turks could be defeated."
Antonius Bonifinius writes "natus a valacho patre, matre uero graeca natus." Bonifinius is saying his mother was an Orthodox Christian.
One Italian correspondance says he wasn't Hungarian but rather Romanian, "il qual non era Ungaro nobile, ma Vallaco, non di troppo gentil parentella."
László Makkai, Malcolm Hebron, Pál Engel and other scholars accept the two chroniclers' report of the Wallachian origin of John Hunyadi's father.[5][8][9][10]
>>74745166
The French writer and diplomat Philippe de Commines described Hunyadi as a very valiant gentleman, called the White Knight of Wallachia, a person of great honour and prudence, who for a long time had governed the kingdom of Hungary, and had gained several battles over the Turks[221],"le cavaler Blanche" was actually a mistake on part of foreign French authors when they copied the word "Blache", as in Vlach, as in Romanian.
Pietro Ranzano wrote in his work Annales omnium temporum (1490-1492) that John Hunyadi was commonly called "Ianco"' („Ioanne Huniate, Ianco vulgo cognominator). In chronicles written by Byzantine Greek authors (such as George Sphrantzes and Laonikos Chalkokondyles) he is called „Ianco/Iango”, „Iancou/Iangou”, „Iancos/Iangos”, „Iancoula/Iangoula”, „Gianco/Giango” and „Ghiangou”[222]
About Matei Corvin:
Matthias Corvinus' court historian Antonio Bonfini flattered his king by tracing the family's ancestry to the Roman gens Corvina, or Valeriana, while adding: "for this man was indeed born of a Romanian father and a Hungarian mother"[21]
Holy Roman Emperor Frederick III likewise knew that King Matthias had been "born to a Vlach father", and a Venetian man, Sebastiano Baduario, referred to the Romanians as King Matthias's people.[8][9]
>>74745193
Although Eastern Orthodox Romanians were not permitted local self-government like the Szekelys and Saxons in Transylvania and the Cumans and Iazyges in Hungary, the Romanian ruling class (nobilis kenezius) had the same rights as the Hungarian nobilis conditionarius. Unlike Maramureș, after the Decree of Turda in Transylvania the only way to remain (or become) nobility was conversion to Roman Catholicism. To preserve their positions, some Romanian families converted to Catholicism and were Magyarized (such as the Hunyadi/Corvinus, Bedőházi, Bilkei, Ilosvai, Drágffy, Dánfi, Rékási, Dobozi, Mutnoki, Dési and Majláth families). Some reached the highest ranks of society; Nicolaus Olahus(nephew of John Hunyadi/Iancu Vorvin) became Archbishop of Esztergom, while the half-Romanian regent John Hunyadi's son Matthias Corvinus became king of Hungary.
Antun Vrančić wrote that "It (Transylvania) is inhabited by three nations – Székelys, Hungarians and Saxons. I should add the Romanians who – even though they easily equal the others in number – have no liberties, no nobility and no rights of their own, except for a small number living in the district of Hațeg, where it is believed that the capital of Decebalus lay, and who were made nobles during the time of John Hunyadi, a native of that place, because they always took part tirelessly in the battles against the Turks"
>>74745135
Lemme guess this was all confirmed by romanian historians who magically found the information
>>74745247
Sad thing is that even though you copypaste half of wikipedia to a thai weaving board, you will still only be a gypsy.
>>74745349
Kek, this is in your own historical documents you fag.
>>74744956
>This has always been my position - the NON-romanised, or barely-romanised, native Dacian peasantry will have stayed where they were.
all dacians were romanised.Again you are wrong.
>The Romans and romanised elite will have fucked off to Constantinople, Revenna or just into Moesia.
Just the legions.
> Continuity of occupation is not of language. Look at Britain - it was ruled FAR longer by Rome than Dacia was, and in a far more secure way (Dacia was always under siege, really), and yet the Welsh still kept their language.
Romanization in Dacia happened way before the conquest of Dacia, as in Dacia and balkans latin was lingua franca, and alot of outposts and settlements of latin populations were there.
>The Dacian farmers - your majority ancestors - are probably a continuous population from PRE-IE times, even. They came under IE rulers, i.e. the Dacians, then Romans, and then the Slavs, and later on, the Vlachs. All the linguistic evidence suggests they were speaking Slavonic before they switched to Romance.
vlachs north of danube = romanised thraco-getae-dacian tribes
vlachs south of danube = thraco(illyrian and some dacian)-roman legions
>All the linguistic evidence suggests they were speaking Slavonic before they switched to Romance.
There is no lingusitic evidence.PRoofless accusations.
>The Dacian farmers - your majority ancestors - are probably a continuous population from PRE-IE times
False.Dacians were proto-indo-europeans not proto-europeans.They were blonde blue eyed like scythians.
>>74745000
>This is not an argument on any level whatsoever.Even more, we also have latin and other language synonyms for them.
How the fuck can somebody come along and make a peasant adopt a new word for a furrow? This is very basic agricultural vocab. A furrow ploughed by a Slav is the same as a furrow ploughed by a Roman. There is nothing about it to make you want to take the new name.
God, this Roesler guy, he must have been great, to inspire this level of irrational hatred so long after his death! ))))
>>74735443
If you don't want diversity and the presence of non-something why don't you guys just move to stormfront so that you don't have to see anymore people that you don't like
>>74745381
Of course and so was the writings of how jesus and caesar was romanian
>>74745375
I didnt copypaste from wikipedia except like 40%.The others are sources from different books.Wikipedia is to poor in sources.
>God, this Roesler guy, he must have been great, to inspire this level of irrational hatred so long after his death! ))))
false.He was owned even 100 years ago.His proofless theory Romänische Studien(1840), that appeared at Viena 1871, was owned by A.D.Xenopol in 1884 "Teoria lui Röesler. Studii asupra stăruinței românilor în Dacia Traiană",
>How the fuck can somebody come along and make a peasant adopt a new word for a furrow? This is very basic agricultural vocab. A furrow ploughed by a Slav is the same as a furrow ploughed by a Roman. There is nothing about it to make you want to take the new name.
This is not an argument.Hungarians for example have 2433 words from romanians and alot of tools.
>>74743187
4.
>You have lots of shared vocabulary with Albanian.
Lets open "The language of thraco-dacians" of I.I.Russu(from where most of Wikipedia cites as source) the only book ever written with a full complete analysis of everything we know of thraco-dacian language spoken in the balkano-danubo-carphatia region,also the description of thracians(based on all writtings found), the phenotype of thracians etc,a book that was worked for over 20 years work.According to world renowed linguists like J.Grimm,P.de Lagarde A.fick , W.Tomaschek(first to make a complete analisis of thracian languages), G.Meyer, F.Solmsen, P.Kretschmer, H.Hirt, D.Decev, V.Parvan, I.I.Rusu, V.Georgiev and many many others along with other researchers, argues that the common words between albanian-romanian do not justify at all a albanian-romanian geographic communion, if we lived near eachother it was for a very very short time, most of the words are older in romanian,alot believed to be unknown are actually from latin and it is absolutely impossible for the words exchange to come after Vi century
>>74736499
not every neighbor hates them. For example i dont know a single Croat who hates them (even though we were over 800 years with them in country), unlike Serbs, who are universally hated around here after only 70 years of being in same country
>>74745681
>didnt copypasta
>admits he copypastad
>>74745497
Romanians were more involved in animal husbandry while slavic settlers took abandoned farmland after the various hordes invaded and left.
>>74745634
Ok, take this book - Kubinyi, András (2008). Matthias Rex. Balassi Kiadó. ISBN 978-963-506-767-1. (from wikipedia citations on the claim that he was vlach) and go to page 8.
It's written by a magyar, so unless he was a sellout traitor kike I'm pretty sure you can't deny this with "muh romanian historians are the evil deniers DD:"
>>74745247
>nobilis kenezius
LoL, even your nobles had Slavonic titles!
>>74745476
>all dacians were romanised.
Ah yes, by magic. And you know this from your time machine travels.
Not even all fucking Gauls or Hispanics were romanised, after FAR longer in the Empire than the Dacians. And Provincia Daciae was constantly under attack from Free Dacians who remained outside the Empire.
>>74745476
>Romanization in Dacia happened way before the conquest of Dacia, as in Dacia and balkans latin was lingua franca,
My Gods, yous actually believe that?!? Astounding!
>>74745476
>False.Dacians were proto-indo-europeans not proto-europeans.They were blonde blue eyed like scythians.
You're a funny guy! You CAN look at things DIchronically, you know... Pretty useful skill in history... Now, where the fuck did all these blondes go? You are mostly brunettes nowadays, just like us. And the IEans didn't have a total monopoly on blondeness. Any idiot would realise that the Dacians of Trajan's era were obviously a fusion of the IE incomers with the earlier populations.
>>74745839
>Implying he isnt a traitorous kike
I will acknowledge the sheer determination of Romanian posters, that's a given. The OP has 56 posts in this thread, 31% of the thread. Impressive dedication.
>>74746003
Alright then, what about Teke, Zsuzsa (1980). Hunyadi János és kora [John Hunyadi and his Times] (in Hungarian). Gondolat. ISBN 963-280-951-3. ?
It's the other citation.
After that we move on to the citations for Voicu.
>>74746083
I think he is taking his shit posting way too seriously m8. He puts a German worker to shame at his work will power.
>>74745915
>Ah yes, by magic. And you know this from your time machine travels.
Not even all fucking Gauls or Hispanics were romanised, after FAR longer in the Empire than the Dacians. And Provincia Daciae was constantly under attack from Free Dacians who remained outside the Empire
All the archaelogical sites showed that all dacians were romanised after Aurelian retreat.Close the subject.
>My Gods, yous actually believe that?!? Astounding!
Archaelogical facts.Close the subject.You got owned.
>You're a funny guy! You CAN look at things DIchronically, you know... Pretty useful skill in history... Now, where the fuck did all these blondes go? You are mostly brunettes nowadays, just like us. And the IEans didn't have a total monopoly on blondeness. Any idiot would realise that the Dacians of Trajan's era were obviously a fusion of the IE incomers with the earlier populations.
False.All thracians(illyrians,dacians,getae) were BLONDE BLUE EYED , we have a few writtings of them and even PAINTINGS.
>Now, where the fuck did all these blondes go? You are mostly brunettes nowadays, just like us
I never said all romanians are dacians.2000 years passed since then.no European population is heteregenous.
The west-med component in romanians is strongest,thanks to roman conquest, who collonised it with swarthy south-italians.
But what is most importantly,is that today still exists dacian settlements,and pure ones, like Tara Motilor , where over 80% of inhabitants are blonde blue eyed and still have the same clothings as dacians.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C8%9Aara_Mo%C8%9Bilor
>>74745784
Shhhh don't bother the Roma with pesky facts.
>>74745767
What value can be atributed to these common traits in phonology, was seen before, in "balkanic linguistic"(pages 191-193), by the obversations of Al.Graur.Philippide himself,by some conclusions over the historic and ethnic connections of romanians to shiptars[1],following a few "if","must" and a series of "probabilities"(taken as facts by some researches and readers),emphasize that "the phenomens mentioned up as common have only meaning if they are considered in general and with aproximation".At a closer inspection they present,we can say that all,more or less remarkable differences from a language to another",then(Al.Philippide) gives some examples (OR, II, page 589);"but there are phenomens of diphthongization,Umlaut and accent in albanian,that constitute a pit between albanian and romanian"(OR, page 590)."But the biggest difference, between albanian and romanian,is in report with the accent,and its important not only because they are different,but even more on the fact that the accent is the safest physiological phenomen,based on which you can conclude that you deal with a different articulation base.
>>74746367
.From the elemenets of a language, the accent is one of the hardest to lose,one of the hardest to borrow.Everything can be borrowed from a language,up to a complete imitation,words,forms,sounds;only the accent persists with the hardest tenacity;In albanian, the sonal vocal in the accentuated syllables of the words are of 6 types of lenght" etc(OR,page 592);"these things are totally foreign to romanian language"(OR,page 594)Then, "in romanian,contrary to what happens in other romance languages,the intervocalic of consonants are not completely assimilated, only in rare cases, in albanian its the opposite,they assimilate completely much more often(a thing seen by Meyer-Lubke)..."(OR,page 595).Finally, "romanians are related with albanians,more than with the italic populations for example, or with the celts,but the relationship is very far"(OR, II, page 596).Examining after (page 596-629), the morphologic and sintactic similarities between albanian and romanian and the much greater differences,result that "if some similarities,of the languages, might let us state a genetic relationship between romanians and albanians,
[1]Al.Philippide, OR,II,page 596 "if we admit with somewhat probability that the phonetic similarities between albanian and romanian have their origin in a somewhat affinity of the articulation base,meaning in a ethnic affinity,then it can be admited that between the albanian and romanian people existed a geographic cohesion(coheziune)" etc.
>>74746409
,the much bigger differences forces us to separate this two populations." what can be seen "seen from their different spirituality"[1]
The conclusions of Philippide,that the general and necessary results of the researches untill then(shared by Treimer,Capidan[2],Rosetti,Pascu,Siadbei etc), show without doubt that - like the shaky foundation of the so called "balkan linguistics" - so does the ungrounded theory of close lingusitic and social-ethnic "relationships" between albanians and romanians appears,that "linguistic community" and the belief that romanian language borrowed from albanian.Such assumptions were created based on some remarkable phonetic and morphologic traits,that when closely inspected, are of little relevance,being completely explained on the basis of the evolution of oriental romance(balkanic,carpato-danubian),grafted on a identic or closely related substratum,generally unitar,then having in the medieval era, many elements of historic-cultural-political communication[3].The romanian language has in common with albanian, a series of phonetic,morphologic and sintactic traits,the majority of them also found in neighbour idioms, being somewhat typic balkanic and south-east european.
Looking at the map some more... Pestera (cave), Bistrita (fast river), Targuviste (old market place), Barlogu (bear's den), Zmeuratu (snake-something), Dragoslavele (lolllll), Poiana (clearing), Tesila (narrow gorge)...
It's fucking endless... And I don't even speak Russian VERY well.
>>74739267
>You people really are as bad as Albanians when it comes to chauvinistic projecting
1]Following J.G.Hahn,Philippide gives a characterization of the psihic structure of shiptars, worthy of being mentioned: "the albanian has the disobedient and revenging nature.With those kind of people you cannot play and you cannot do what you want from them,no matter how strong of a foreign conqueror you are,or a incapable compatriot,coward without conscience,that puts the flag of patriotism before the country.On the contrary, the patience of the romanian and its lack of indignation over a evil-even the greatest evil - that would hurt him, are without limit.The albanian is a practical man,who is preoccupied with the life on earth and in special the present,and what happens after death, he gives it no value.For a thing that does not immediatly turn into profit, the albanian gives no attention.This is why most have abandoned the christian faith and received the mahomedanic one,because the new belief gave them material advantages.For a simple attention that they didnt come early enough at the church,given to them, by the priest of the village, an entire village left the christian faith.Another time, when the inhabitants of a village were badly treated by a turkic(albanian muslim) village, they too turkified(islamised) themselves, to take revange on them;truth is,immediatly after being turkified(islamised), they entered in the village that previously attacked them, and burned it.On the contrary,the romanian is atleast not a bigot and is very tolerant of others religions,but the smallest belief and proud superstition,that he has,he keeps it with tenacity(etc)" (OR, II, page 630)
>>74746503
I have already said, and no one denied, taht slavs are a component in romanians.In fact, they are the 3rd component after thracians and then roman collonists.
>>74746255
>All the archaelogical sites showed that all dacians were romanised after Aurelian retreat.Close the subject.
>Archaelogical facts.Close the subject.You got owned.
This bloke thinks archaeologists can tell what language people were speaking...
>my unexperienced unargumented opinion trumps the opinion of experts because experts are ROMANIAN SHILLS
This is kangaroo court tier argumentation.
I bet most magyars here probably thinks vaccines cause autism too.
>>74746528
>albanians on suicide watch
Why do Spanish people always seem so to have strong opinions about countries in the Balkans and surrounding countries? You're on the other side of the continent like fuck off seriously
>>74746664
>what are inscriptions and every day artifacts like pots, etc
Language is not the only thing that determines romanization, you retard.
>>74746664
Yea, im pretty sure they can.If there were speaking dacians we would have had writtings after aurelian retreat(when the latin alphabet was introduced).Same for slavs.
But this is also atested by linguistics so no point in talking.
>>74746442
What binds more tighly romanian and albanian, in a special way,are the common exclusive lexical elements,dating from the pre-roman epoque,belonging to the substrate,the so called "albanian","albanian loanwords" of our language(romanian).They constitute a distinct problem,precisely conturated,which will next be researched and judged by criterias essentially different from what the followers of "linguistic communion" and the so called "albanian-romanian symbiosis".The long researches and discussion -even though they taken only 2 comparation terms , romanian and albanian languages through their common elements, firstly the lexic - lead to precious results, that eases alot our problem.There exists clear criterias to specify the language relations,especially on a lexical level.Firstly, the specific and old romanian character of the common "albanian-romanian" lexical elements that are missing in other languages,is obvious to notice.In 1892 Gustav Meyer observes "bei 'barză' und 'mazăre' stellen sich der Annahme der Entlehnung Schwierigkeiten enigegen; barză deckt sich mit dem femininum zu dem alban. adj. barth 'weiss', bardhë (genauer mit einem "bardë");aber dies femininum heisst im alb. niemals , Schwann [means 'Storch']".If for romanian 'viezure'(badger in english) - he observs
>>74746842
- it can be somewhat admitted that it came from alb. vjedhullë, for 'barză' and 'mazăre' difficulties arrise, because the first has a arnaut correspondent adj. 'barth', -dhë, but it does not mean "badger";and "mazăre" presents compared to the alb. modhullë a difference of a radical vocal,showing that the romanian word, same as 'barză', "eine im Verhaltnis zum Alban. altere Lautstufe bewahrt" (preserves 'a' compared to albanian, shows a older sound stage).The observation of the austriak was noticed by no one and especially from it, the necessary conclusion wasnt drawn, that the common romanian-albanian elements(that Barić, Jokl etc considered simple "borrowings" from albanian,without respecting the romanian historic grammar and often mixing romanian words to make them closer to the idea that they came from albanian) are independent words in romanian,related and paralel to the albanian ones,meaning that they have a common carphato-balkanic root and obviously pre-roman, sometimes knowing ancient differences.It was affirmed that the albanian-romanian lexical relations are of "pure vicinity"[2],because the "albanian" words in romanian do not present the character of borrowings,
[1]G.Meyer , Albanische Studien III(In SB Akad, Wien, 125), p.22
[2]Treimer, Zeitschr, Roman.Philol., XXXVIII, 1914, p.387
>>74746882
p.183
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having identical treatment as the hereditary latin lexic.From this simple remark(that is not identical with "symbiosis"),in fact, it throwed overhead the whole theory of lexical borrowings from albanian to romanian togheter with all the consequences of social-ethnic order and historically concluded from alleged borrowings:firstly the so called albanian-romanian "symbiosis" at the end of antique epoque or in evul medium.Such a symbiosis is as justified as for example the idea,that someone might have,tring to explain the numerous common traits between italian and romanian through a italian-romanian "symbiosis" in the feudal period.
In conclusion,it can be said that "those terms,come in both languages,from the language that was spoken before in balkanic peninsula and carphato-danubian zone and that left as footprint of its existence these elements in the vocabulary of the romanian language" - an older ideea shared by other philologists-linguists(Hasdeu,Philippide,Pascu,Capidan,partially Puscariu etc).philippide revealed that the great differences between albanian and romanian form a true gap between these two idioms,that nor the inconclusive gramatical elements nor the talking about "cohabitation" of romanians to shiptars(meaned to justify the "borrowings" of albanian words), could justify it.
>>74746920
It was revealed also that albanians only recently borrowed words from romanian, an inexplicable thing if they lived near each other and also only share 70 words of common substratum.Such obvious and elementary truths only surprised the supporters of the so called albanian-romanian linguistic "communion", a old product of the insufficient investigation methods from the 1900.On the other side, not even one of the "albanian-romanian symbiosis" supporters forget that these two idioms are of different structure and origin;still they classified them togheter trying to closer them in the "linguistic union" and consider romanian as dependent on albanian through some "borrowings".The reservation and objection against such thesis are known: romanian language of neo-latin origin and structure(romance) presents forms of characteristic evolution,with many divergent notes compared with other occidental romance idioms and with inexplicable elements from the vulgar latin(observed by Kopitar,Miklosich,Schuchardt etc),because of the pre-roman substratum;there are numerous carphato-balkanic words from the autochtonous populations of this territories.On the other side, albanian is a indo-european language(satem type),
[1]Al.Rosetti,ILR, ii , p 103.
Read more: http://illyria.proboards.com/conversation/33701#ixzz49Obv8Rso
>>74746946
After it was proven that the common phonetic,morphologic and sintactic elements from romanian and albanian do not justify at all a "geographic communion", it is necessary to explain those words.he majority of them(brau,mazare,sambure,viezure etc) are way older in romanian than in albanian,they are known in the roman epoque, way before slav migrations(VI),we can see in the phonetic modification(brau and parau same as grau < lat. granun, frau < lat. frenum; mazare from *ma(d)ze-l-, sambure < *sambul-, viezure < *ve(d)zul-, sare from lat, sale- soare < sole- etc)).From this elementary fact,obviously, the conclusion is that the romanic population(autochtonous romanised) from the carphato-balkanic territory, had in its speech a series of non-latin words from the substratum.If hypotheticlaly we would presume that romanians borrowed isolated words like (brau,mazare,sambure etc) from shiptars or their ancestors, the romanian grammar shows that its impossible for it to have happened after VI century.But the comparatistic shows something in plus at some albanian-romanian common words:mazare presents a way older stage in romanian compared to albanian modhulle, the radical vocal accentuated "a" being etymologically original, compared to accentuated o before, rad .i-e *mag'(h)-;borrowing from albanian to romanian is impossible (o accentuated does not become a in romanian).A similar case is romanian "soparla" compared to albanian "sapi", both indo-european *suo-p-, with "o" keeped in romanian, it becomes "a" in albanian.In romanian "brau" compared to albanian "bres,brezi(*bren-z-)" we have a proto-romanian root *bre-n-, and in albanian a indo-european sufix -z- (-di-o-);proof that
E.Cabej, Zur Charakteristik der lateinischen Lehnworter in Albanischen, in "Revue de Linguistique", VII, 1962, p161-199
>>74746842
>>74746882
>>74746920
>>74746946
>>74747005
Why don't you drop a fucking link and be done with it?
>>74747005
p.185
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romanian couldn't have borrowed the word in the roman epoque or before, because the proto-romanians couldnt have taken from albanians only the theme of the word, a *bre-n-, leaving the sufix -z-,and this theme to develop in romanian as the latin inherited words like granum, frenum.The situation is similar at other words "parau" from indo-european *per-ren- compared to albanian form with vocalic alternation "o"(or internal evolution e > o in albanian) *per-ron-;Romanian "pururea" from *porur- compared to albanian perhere with radical vocal "e".
So its impossible for these words to have come in feudal epoque, because they oppose the phonologic evolution of some albanian and romanian words, in comparation to their etymologic roots.This words show that also is impossible that even the similar words in albanian-romanian to be borrowed from one to other(bunget,gata,gard,galbeaza,groapa,grumaz,mos,vatra etc) like for example the romanian carne,ochiu are not from italian carne,occhio.They have to be interpretated exactly like above.They prove a little more than just some phonetic missmatches or better said inconsequences in the corespondences of the sound of the identical words(in consonatism),signaled by A.Rosetti, who is mainly right saying that "the sounds in romanian are diverse in origin and in this way the borrowings from romanian are justified"[2].
>>74747058
there is no link, because the book is not published only.I actually have the book at me and translated them.
>>74747061
.But the sound paralelism established by Rosetti is based on etymological approaches that cannot be always admitted,sometimes unlikely(for ex. alb. byk- rom. buc, pelk-balk droe-droaie,dhalle-zara).It is true that we find a lack of consistency concerning the consonants from albanian and romanian; for ex: alb. th(kurthe,thumbulle) coresponds rom. s (cursa,sambure), and sometimes(thark) coresponds to rom. ţ (ţarc).The discordance is obvious,and it can be established in other cases.But even if a fully compliance would have existed in the treatment of consonants the borrowings "from albanian" cannot be admitted because of the missmatches found in the vocalism of the words examined above(like soparla,mazare,parau),and also after the post-roman epoque of romanian language,because of the phonological norms of our idiom who follows the etymologic and phonologic indo-european criteriasThe theory of "albanian borrowings" leads you at the pre-roman epoque of the carpatho-balkanic and danubian territories,when it is not correct to speak about albanians(shiptars) in these areas,inhabited in antiquity by illyrians at west and thraco-getae at north-east.The obligatory conclusion is that the cmmon elements from the albanian-romanian lexic, around 68 or 70 terms, are in this idioms(like also the 89/90 autochtonous romanian words not found in albanian) from a common source, the carphato-balkanic substratum.They have evolved differently in albanian and romanian, according to each language characteristics, in the feudal period.
>>74746800
>f there were speaking dacians we would have had writtings after aurelian retreat(when the latin alphabet was introduced).
Mate, I know old people who are illiterate even now. And you expect your Dacian farmers to have all been writing down their journals after a day tilling the unforgiving earth! ))))
More treasures from the map, and I'm not even TRYING:
LOPATNITA! You couldn't make it up! "shovel digger", in Slavonic. This is all from an area VERY far from the Bulgarian border. There is no excuse...
Dobrota (goodness, kindness), Bolatau (swamp), Stanesti (homestead), Camenca (stone)...
>>74746255
What the fuck is the roma's problem? He is literally so butthurt that he just spams walls of text everywhere of how "We wuz romans and shit and all dese huns be oppressing us!". You sound like a god damn nigger over here m8 also why are people in Romania such assholes? I grew up in a semi Hungarian neighborhood (both my parents are from Hungary but I am not a muh heritage fag and I consider myself an American but ethnically Hungarian) but not far from me was a Romanian community and I have met the nicest fucking people from there too and they all tell me the same story that Romania is a shithole and the people there are assholes that try to justify their shithole. Like did all the Good Romanians leave while the shitty ones stay in their shithole and talk about how awesome it is?
>pic unrelated
>>74735443
lol, gypsies hate based mongols.
I had no idea.
>>74747399
They just hate that Romania has never accomplished anything significant in history.
>>74747312
why is he so obsesed with albania anyway?
I don't think they gave a shit
see:
>>74744378
After world renowd linguists from 19th to 21th century confirmed that lingusitically its imposible for albanians and romanians to ever have lived togheter, its time to move on at the next propaganda of the spanish guy
>>74747312
Im actually in the process of owning someone.Move along mongrel.
>>74747284
>Mate, I know old people who are illiterate even now.
this is not an argument.
>And you expect your Dacian farmers to have all been writing down their journals after a day tilling the unforgiving earth! ))))
This is not an argument.And again.Archaelogicaly no dacian language continuity is seen after Aurelian Retreat.And lingusitically all dacian words followed the occidental romance structure, meaning no such thing as dacian language existed after aurelian retreat.
>LOPATNITA! You couldn't make it up! "shovel digger", in Slavonic. This is all from an area VERY far from the Bulgarian border. There is no excuse...
I already said are 3rd component in romanians ethnicity.
>>74747506
Romanians dont even know albanians exists.Its the spanish guy that brought albanians in his propaganda.
>>74735443
There are Hungarians on this board? Orobas is so based that I'll pass on the attempt.
>>74743187
>Vlachs WERE noted as migrating long distances - there were settlements ALL the way along the Carpathians, even into Moravia.
False.Those were maurovlachs in Istria(who were settled there by venetians accord, when black plague came).
Again balkan vlachs != north danube vlachs
Vlach is a linguistic group not an ethnicity.Italians were called vlachs too.Same as dalmatians and at some point even the orthodox people of yugoslavia.
And for moravians, they were a distinct vlachic group.Read Who are the Vlachs of Vlassko
By Dr. Gary Kocurek, 104 S. Georgetown, Round Rock, Texas 78664
>>74747581
>Im actually in the process of owning someone
>Owning
>Romas owning anything in their life instead of stealing instead
Roma pls
Sadly, the swede stopped posting.
>http://speisa.com/modules/articles/index.php/item.454/sweden-to-become-a-third-world-country-by-2030-according-to-un.html
>>74743187
>The southern bank of the Danube was totally slavonicised,
false.vlachs still lived there.When slavs came, they shattered the danubian vlachs bond with those from balkans.
>and you expect us to believe that Romance lingered in the wild forests of Dacia, planted there only during a fairly brief military occupation???
just proved this up.
So dear "Spanish" guy, yet again, when you find yourself owned on all levels, what more accusations do you bring?As you see, I am a good guy.I dont in the next second call your sentences proofless and void them null, isntead a spent a few minutes of my life actually explaining where you are wrong.
Salty Gypsies
>gypsies got a country like twice as big as ours
>they are still butthurt with inferiority complex
Haha, what does 'bozgor' mean anyway? You fags are using it like it was the worst thing ot call someone.
>>74748063
>"Spanish" guy
Yes, I'm English. I have even less of a dog in this fight than a Spaniard!
>>74747864
>Read Who are the Vlachs of Vlassko
>By Dr. Gary Kocurek, 104 S. Georgetown, Round Rock, Texas 78664
I'm obviously NOT going to, so why even waste time pasting that? Just give me the fucking gist of it.
>>74748263
from "bashkor" , coming from bashkir, the origin of most of on-ogurs.Today it is used to mean "those without country" for hugnarians/szeklers.
>>74748343
what i'm interested to know, is from where you learned the propaganda.I've seen a russian guy too here, but he was undercover bozgor.Are you a bozgor?
>>74747591
I see a few pop up and celebrate whenever they do something awesome, besides that not really.
Do you mean Orban or is Orobas some Hungarian word
>>74748263
>bozgor
It's like nigger but it means a Hungarian in Transylvania that doesn't want to learn Romanian and doesn't want to be Romanian basically.
>>74748448
if I give you the fucking gist of it , it can take again over 10 posts
>>74748453
>what i'm interested to know, is from where you learned the propaganda.I've seen a russian guy too here, but he was undercover bozgor.Are you a bozgor?
I've just read a lot on the internet, and used my common sense to see who was bullshitting most, and you guys win!
>Romanians unironically claiming they are better than anyone
kek
>>74748589
you shouldnt always believe what it writes on internet,especially from .hu, a butthurt slavo-vlacho-germano population without history .
>Romanians
>not wanted not needed anywhere
still making threads about based hungary.
>>74748462
>it means a Hungarian in Transylvania that doesn't want to learn Romanian and doesn't want to be Romanian basically
b-but thats a good thing. who the fuck wants to be romanian?
>>74748914
Smart magyar ciganys in Szekelyföld who realize they're the two shittiest counties in Transylvania and move to a county that isn't economically crap.
>>74748724
>you shouldnt always believe what it writes on internet,especially from .hu, a butthurt slavo-vlacho-germano population without history .
It's exactly this sort of stupid comment that's persuaded me to doubt everything YOU say. What fools....
I'm a slavophile, myself, and just listen to you people saying Slavonic words all day, and look at your map and see all the Slavonic names... You're a sad joke.
>>74748724
>without history
KEK
>>74749142
But why not read hungarian academy?Or even look at today hungarians?Do they look turko-bashkir?Oh no?
>>74749145
Embarrassing, isn't it, dealing with these people? Do they actually believe what they say?
>>74736197
>some African benises are so big they don't even register
How can white men even compete?
>>74749284
It isn't abaout genetics but culture. People hate stupid ass gypsies like you because you act like stupid ass gypsies.
>>74749284
Fuck are you on about? Modern Magyars are obviously mostly descended from Slavs, just like you fuckwits. That's the hilarious part of it: You're brothers in denial!
>>74749349
I don't fucking know. Maybe they are jjust lying for themselves. I mean they can't be stupid enough to skip 1000+ year.
>>74749553
>Modern Magyars are obviously mostly descended from Slavs,
Only around 49.5% of them.
>just like you fuckwits.
false, and this was just proved above.Only around 15% of romanians present the slavic component.This can be clearly seen also in genetic tests so we closed the subject.
>>74749284
They're pretty white looking to me. Far better looking than your average Romanian too
>>74749284
>>74749761
Here's the average Magyar
>>74749761
>>74749819
I find it quite hilarious that the romanian in these pics is whiter.
>>74749819
the romanian looks more european
>whiter skin
>sharper features
and also those are not accurate depictions, as e both know that in a national team(where this faces came) minorities are present.
Romanians look very different from region to region.
>>74749956
but the romanian got more gpysy-like face
>>74750104
no.And these faces were made by morphingthe national team male faces.We have gypsies in our national team.
>>74749956
>>74750049
Nothing was said over who was whiter, these pictures just show the Hungarian guys are being a lot better looking and very clearly European
Christ you cheeky cunts are dense
>>74749819
He's pretty attractive
>>74750104
>>74750239
Stay mad, shitskins.
>>74750239
dont think so.They dont even look like the average faces from both countries.
>>74748813
>can't say shit about arabs and africans or else I'll get executed by the PC gestapo
>talk shit about Romania and Bulgaria :D
they do the same thing in UK and it's really pathetic
>>74750425
Never met a Hungarian, but the Romanian looks reasonably close
