Okay /pol/ I'm drunk as shit right now but I got some questions
1) why the fuckdo people think the Nazis were right wing?
2) why do people think anarchy is left wing?
3) do you think the true "freaks" of the 60's-70's time were patriotic?
4) why is nationalism looked down upon so hardly today?
5) what do you think of Hunter S. Thompson?
2) I've never heard about people thinking anarchy is left wing. Anarchy is an independent political ideal from the "wing" spectrum of political labeling. It could possibly be because true Marxism would involve only a single class with people being guided by their 'morals' rather than law, so effectively a lawless society; which could be interpreted as anarchy.
4) Nationalism is only looked down upon a highly vocal "progressive" minority. Take pride your country cunt.
>>74729011
>1) why the fuckdo people think the Nazis were right wing?
So that they can associate conservatism with it
>2) why do people think anarchy is left wing?
Because self described anarchists are almost always anarchosyndicalists, which is essentially just another word for communist
>3) do you think the true "freaks" of the 60's-70's time were patriotic?
Hunter Thompson was a patriot, he also hated hippies
Hippies were not patriotic
>4) why is nationalism looked down upon so hardly today?
Maybe it is in Europe but it certainly isn't here, just check Trump's latest numbers
>5) what do you think of Hunter S. Thompson?
Based
Absolutely hilarious as well
The last great comedic writer and political journalist
>>74729305
I've heard people say anarchy is and I quote "the perfect form of communism" as far as I know commies are for total government control and just the complete opposite of anarchy, I'm just confused as to where this association came to take place
Also trust me I'm patriotic as fuck,and this whole swarm of anti nationalism disgusts me
>>74729562
you're already reading into it more than most "anarchists"
communists are anarchists are the opposite of the USA, therefore they are communist and anarchist
>>74729562
Communism is inherently totalitarianism. Marxism is essentially one class with no "exploiting classes" lauding over them. Marx said that after the worker revolution, the workers would basically figure out a way of dividing labour and food so its all 100% fair, which basically means there no laws set in stone as there is no politics and so it's technically an anarchist society. If people say that anarchism is communism they're wrong and I suspect don't actually know what communism is.
Yeah, that's the reason I come to /pol/: There's a lot more nationalism and conservative views.
>>74729307
To be honest I've lately taken a late interest in hunter s Thompson and want to get a hold of his books. Fear and loathing is a movie I've always liked, but I never gave it greater thought until tonight. What books do you think I should read first?
You can't deny the growing percentage of people in our country turning away from nationalism though can you? What the fuck went wrong? I think you should love your country no matter what, it is yours and you should strive to make it the best! Fuck everyone else! We are in it to win it motherfucker
>>74729992
Get "The Great Shark Hunt"
>You can't deny the growing percentage of people in our country turning away from nationalism though can you?
I don't think so
I think it seems that way because /pol/ and conservative news outlets such as Breitbart focus on people who are anti nationalist
Outside of college campuses and select liberal areas like the Northeastern metropolises and coastal California you'll find that most people do put America first very much so
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHeSC_Ws5Ic
>>74729724
So basically most anarchist ate retards and don't understand what it or communism is?
>>74729845
Marxism is basically a "perfect world" that can never exsist due to human instict is what I get from this. Am I correct?
What determines whether an ideology is left wing or right wing is the amount of central state power or lack thereof. That said, anarchy is farthest right and totalitarianism is farthest left.
>>74729845
>the workers would basically figure out a way of dividing labour and food so its all 100% fair
>so its all 100% fair
>>74730241
Wow this makes me feel like Johnny depp got his speech patterns down Pat for that movie lol, also made like the idea of Thompson more
>>74730238
I'd like to hope so but I saw recently some poll that said 51% said they were infavir of socialism which to me is just whole heartedly unamerican. Maybe it's just me being in a heavily Mexican area of Texas? And trust me that too pisses me off, I'm half Mexican half American and those fuckers that try to put Mexico first piss me the hell off
>>74730362
Marx was literally a delusional bum. I don't get my political ideology from unbathed winos.
The concept of left vs right wing is an invention of communists that allows them to lump all of the people who disagree with them into "Team Hitler". Someone called it "The Ackbar Spectrum" ("It's a trap!").
Politics is multi-dimensional. If you only describe collectivism vs individualism, you miss authoritarianism vs libertarianism, globalism vs nationalism, economic central planning vs laissez-faire, etc.
>>74730697
This is what I understand if the left right spectrum, and I just don't understand why it isn't understood in mass!!!!
>>74730895
Leftists deliberately confused the issue after WWII to try and separate themselves from the Nazis.
The Nazis were Progressives of course. Hitler was supported by the international left right up until he turned on Stalin.
>>74729011
Wtf is that fist?
Two thumbs and four fingers?
>>74730880
Okay well if I believe that you should be able to do what you want, without causing harm to other people where would I fall in this multidimensional spectrum?
>>74729011
>Okay /pol/ I'm drunk as shit right now
It's still morning. What the fuck?
>>74730362
Yeah you are. Marx gets very vague after the Workers' Revoultion part
>>74730743
For the record, I'm not advocating Marxism or any left wing agenda. I know what I'm writing has been shot full of holes for one and a half centuries.
>>74731128
two thumbed fist, with peyote button in between.
It was his symbol when he was running for sheriff, i think
>>74729011
1) the jew-hatred. those people ignore that everyone of every persuasion hated jews untils they saw the lolocaust
2) punk rockers on too many drugs
3) no they were on acid and openly advocated death to everything good about america. people actually doing good work for civil rights tended not to be hippies (c.f MLK jr.)
4) Soviet KGB demoralizatikn psy-op gone off the rails due to collapse of Soviet Union
5) degenerate fuck, but entertaining
>>74730754
Some of those bums have the right idea senpai, but seriously, off the tip of my head I can't think of who Marx actually was, can you enlighten me?
>>74731060
But how can the masses deny that naziism is socialism when it's in the fucking name?!
>>74731128
As far as I know it was the symbol for "gonzo journalism"
>>74729011
>why the fuckdo people think the Nazis were right wing?
The same reason people consider Stalinists left-wing.
>why do people think anarchy is left wing?
Because left/right doesn't consider auth/lib.
>do you think the true "freaks" of the 60's-70's time were patriotic?
No, they were dumb strung-out fucks who should have drank bleach.
>why is nationalism looked down upon so hardly today?
Because it leads to things like #1. Nationalism is the first refuge of the retard.
>what do you think of Hunter S. Thompson?
Amusing writer, dumb philosopher
>>74729011
>1) why the fuckdo people think the Nazis were right wing?
This is a lie that has been continuously spoonfed to them by the leftist media. Socialists, after the war, couldn't afford to be associated with Hitler's national socialism, so they made it up. In reality, the nazi economy was almost entirely government-controlled, i.e. left wing.
>2) why do people think anarchy is left wing?
'Dude nobody should be in power lmao' and 'Everything should just belong to everyone lmao' are both examples of babby's first political ideology. Because they are both utopias (according to anarchists and socialsts) people equate the outcome in their minds, thinking that once we get rid of government, we somehow also get rid of property. This is not how it would work in reality. In fact, property right is likely the most important form of power that would be left in any society without government. Anarchy is much closer to libertarianism (no capital L) than to socialism.
>3) do you think the true "freaks" of the 60's-70's time were patriotic?
Not sure what you mean by this. Patriotism was declining in the 60s-70s so patriots may have been regarded as freaks.
>4) why is nationalism looked down upon so hardly today?
Again, leftist propaganda and people refusing to think for themselves. It becomes apparent when you take the time to discuss WHY people think Trump/Farage/Wilders or any of them are racist. It always boil down to one belief that most of the time they don't even know they have: Having borders and wanting to keep things for yourself is racist.
>5) what do you think of Hunter S. Thompson?
Sad to say that I'm not really familiar with him.
>ywn hang out with Thompson, Hemingway, Thoreau and Nietzsche
God is a cunt, I tell ya whut
>>74731239
Dude I've been drinking all night, I'm only typing right due to auto correct, it's like you've never been a drunk or sonething
>>74731298
Okay so Marxism is technically not communism? And he didn't really fully develop his idea? Or in other words he was a fag that just came up with a "perfect idea" that everyone was equal?
>>74731513
Dude I can't tell if you are blaming Jews or Russians both could be viable in my mind
>>74731661
Where do you stand? Why is number 1 retarded?
>>74731834
To.Be.Honest. when I was like 16 I thought anarchism was totally awesome but when I grew older I realized that the masses needed some kind of order to reign in everybody so there wouldn't be total destruction lol and I guess it would be ideal in a "perfect" world. I honestly think Hitler's triad with Jews fucked up nationalism and its sad.
>>74731886
;_; why do you make me feel anon
>>74731993
It's more like "communism" was a failed attempt at Marxism by Lennin, which failed because of what you said earlier: human nature doesn't want everyone to 100% equal (plus a lot corruption at the top that wasn't helped by Lennin's early death).
If you read the Communist Manifesto, you'll see Marx really was some fag that came up with a "perfect" idea that applied to a very vague situation regarding the high and worker classes, and him trying to justify how a society with no leadership could effectively run itself perfectly in an economic, social and moral sense.
>>74733053
So Marx was a dreamer with hour in the good side of humanity that is admirable, but ultimately something that could never work, and his philosophy is something that is pushed by power hungry people that know they can take advantage of dreamers
>>74731184
You're a libertarian. The trouble is, humans don't leave each other alone, they gang up to fuck each other over. You'll have to gang up to prevent that from happening to you, and you'll have to make decisions about the nature of your collective other than "do what you want". All of politics flows from there.
I'd like to see humanity trying a bunch of different designs for a nation state, rather than trying to force everybody to converge on social democracy, since that seems to consistently devolve into multikult bankruptcy and, I suspect, civil war. The only worse plan is global government where to opt out you have to leave the planet. Oven the globalists.
>>74733539
*hope not hour
>>74732623
I actually lean quite far right and I believe people will thrive if left mostly alone, but anarchy is a step too far even for me. You need at least a basic set of property laws, laws against malum in se crimes (e.g. murder) a centralised court for disputes and a small police force to uphold the law in cases where there is no one left to file a civil case (again e.g. murder), which already constitutes a minimal government. Don't think you need much else but I can't be bothered to think it through completely right now.
>>74732623
>i will never live in glorious Vegas
>fun town
>No state income tax BS
>me and my motorcycle, within an hour's reach to some of the most beautiful landscapes
>half decent escorts
I'm just too fucking poor man ;__;
>>74733651
Pay denbts
>>74730880
>left vs right wing is an invention of communists
But this is wrong. They spin it to their whims these days, but the concept comes from royal french times, where right-wing were royalists as opposed to left-wing constitutionalists, republicans etc.
Right wing vs left wing IS individualism vs collectivism. Should power belong to the few or to the many? Your answer to that defines your political stance. All else are derivatives of this core question.
>>74733539
I dodn't know enough Marx as a person to say if he was that kind of guy, but you're right about the last part. Stallin and his corrupt party took Lennin's idea and became the totalitarian state the USSR was known to be.
>>74733886
I choose to define communism very broadly because they are so slippery with labels. Your definition of right vs left is historically accurate and logical and will get you absolutely nowhere in an argument with the left. You can argue that Nazism was a form of collectivism (which it obviously was) and it should therefore be categorised as leftist, but they will perform all sorts of contortions to escape that conclusion. Left vs right for progressives is simply good vs nazis. That is the sad state of modern political rhetoric: immune to facts or reason.
>>74733600
Yeah man I feel the exact same way, as shitty as it sounds freedom does have some limits, at least to have a functioning society
>>74734738
God that is the saddest part, people won't listen to fucking facts
> 1) why the fuckdo people think the Nazis were right wing?
Because they were
>2) why do people think anarchy is left wing?
Because it is
>3) do you think the true "freaks" of the 60's-70's time were patriotic?
Not a majority opinion. You'll get a certain number who'll argue that, because you'll get a certain number who'll argue most positions
>4) why is nationalism looked down upon so hardly today?
It's not. Nationalism is very socially acceptable in nations such as the USA or Russia. Extremist Nationalism is pushed to the fringe, same as extremist interpretations of any ideology
> 5) what do you think of Hunter S. Thompson?
He's alright, but he wasted a lot of his talent getting fucked up and deep down he knew it
>>74729562
In their ideological view, they see capitalism and private ownership as a form of oppression equally bad (if not worse) than that of the state.
Ideological Anarchists don't like the state, but they think if capitalism is overthrown the state will slide away over time into irrelevance.
Don't get me wrong, this is naive af. But it's more or less their view of government.
>>74736083
So basically they are mad that they are poor and don't know how to put their nose to the grindstone and preserver. Idk I think capitalism is pure survival of the fittest and the best way to go. It drives competition and innovation
