Was she a good leader brits?
I know the mere mention of her name sends lefties in to a huge frenzy, so I assume she had to be doing something right.
>>74721687
Nah she ruined the country for globalist kike interests and quick profit.
>>74721854
>mere mention of her name sends lefties into a huge frenzy.
>>74722044
I'm not a leftie mordibly obsese burgercunt.
She gutted all the industry out of this nation and got police to smash the shit out of the workers who protested to keep their jobs.
She was an evil witch.
>>74721687
She was based.
Not English, but I think she was pretty good, she wasn't Reagan but she was an admirable woman.
If people hate her, ask them what they were doing when she was in power and how much of it they were doing.
She did what had to be done, England had a huge problem with rich detached families and no middle-class so the poor were unable to work themselves up, the left had also completely destroyed England as an industrial country so she had to whip England back into work, which took a lot of balls.
If you weren't willing to change to the new English way of hard work and dedication, she was a nightmare and you would be even poorer, which is why lefties hate her.
She also stopped the massive and useless funding for projects like LGBT rights or other non-issue projects which people use to slander her and call her a LGBT-phobe which ofcourse isnt true, she was very progressive compared to the rest of the people in her party.
If you want to know the effectiveness of her policies, even leftist parties in England still want to keep some of them in place while at the same time shaming the right for admiring her
She should be a true icon for Feminism or any other group of people looking to empower women, she worked herself into a field consisting of only men back then and didn't complain, she didnt just want to be on their level but beat them at their own game.
Ofcourse movements like feminism are drenched in Socialism so they would never admire her.
What is usually brought up is the coal and miners strike in the 80s
She completely wrecked a shitty heavily subsidised state run coal industry in the UK. She only had the power to do this as it was nationalised by labour decades prior. She allowed it to be privatised whilst removing subsidies which suprise suprise very few mines were economically viable.
The only people mad at her are labour lefties who want goverment run industries that haemorrhage money.
>>74722178
>>74721854
Looks like you're outnumbered bro. I guess you're just a buttpained lefty
>>74721687
>>74724439
>[CURRENT YEAR]
>still uses left-right separation for politics
Shiggying @ u senpai
>>74721687
She saved Britain from becoming a third world country. Seriously. Britain had the shittiest post-ww2 economic growth (compared to France and West Germany and Italy) because the retarded mongs threw out Churchill and elected a communist after the war ended.
The most ironic thing about the Thatcher hatred is that Maggie actually came from a poor family, while most of her detractors were your typical fabian society champagne socialist "intellectuals"
>>74723463
John L. Lewis the head of some miners Union years and years before thatcher was the real reason the mines had to shut eventually.
The stupid cunt lobbied so hard for extra pay for miners, that everyone switched to coal. Then when coal mines in Britain had to be closed, people blamed based mags.
>>74725694
*switched to oil, my bad.
>>74722782
>She should be a true icon for Feminism or any other group of people looking to empower women, she worked herself into a field consisting of only men back then and didn't complain, she didnt just want to be on their level but beat them at their own game.
This, this a million times this. I fully understood this when she died and there was no feminist uproar about how everyone took to the streets singing 'Ding Dong, The Witch Is Dead' while in my country, the opposition leader was being hounded for standing in front of a sign (that he didn't create and repudiated) calling the female PM a bitch.
>>74722782
>If you want to know the effectiveness of her policies, even leftist parties in England still want to keep some of them in place while at the same time shaming the right for admiring her
This . No one has undone the things she did which says a lot and she is loved by the Right which is more that the left ever would for Blair
>>74721687
She abandoned Rhodesia and helped get MUGABE of all people installed into power.
That alone is a severe stain on her record.
>>74725172
>threw out Churchill
Churchill was a fucking retard who had a few witty quips and that is all
Margie was a legend, fuck unions
She made Britain great again.
"Former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher bitterly opposed Germany's reunification."
http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/the-iron-lady-s-views-on-german-reunification-the-germans-are-back-a-648364.html
>>74726278
why fuck unions
>>74726278
Churchill was a retard but Attlee was a literal communist.
terrible just terrible
globalist neolib kike
She was the Ray Gun of the UK
>>74726405
>wanting your wages undercut my niggers and spics
also you realize if you were in a union right now you could say whatever racist shit you wanted and not get fired right?
>>74723463
It's Labour's fault that UK industry is so incompetitive, they raised wages too much and nationalised everything. Attlee was an overrated meme.
>>74726454
Bollocks.
Certainly not in Britain anyway
>>74722232
Oh boy here we go
As the sole, sovereign issuer of a fiat, floating-rate, non-convertible currency, with all of its debts denominated in that same currency, the U.S. Federal Government can issue as many dollars as it wants, at any time, to anybody, for any reason. Solvency is a non-issue, as there is never a payment that a currency issuer cannot make in its own currency.
Anybody who applies the following expressions to the U.S. Federal government, including, but not limited to:
>"broke",
>"bankrupt",
>"insolvent",
>"going to default",
>"running out of money",
>"where's the money going to come from", >"can't afford X",
>"dependent on taxpayers/Treasury investors", >etc. etc.
can be immediately dismissed and declared to have absolutely no concept of how U.S. fiscal policy and operations work.
It's the private debt stupid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IJjlYj4siU
Paying off America's Debt is Simple
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaaQAg5_-f8
I hate neolib kikes so much
>>74722782
Reagan was the same brand of cuckservative we see today though.
She wanted to nuke Argentina over the Falklands dispute
>>74726534
you can in the US
>>74726526
>high wages
>bad
by that logic India is the greatest country on earth
neolibs are so fucking stupid.
Pros
>stamped on NUM and other militant unions
>won Falklands meme war
>vehemently anti communist
>improved on how shit we were in the 70s
>made a lot of lefties butthurt
Cons
>neglected and essentially economically devastated large parts of the country
>over emphasis on london
>ushered in the age of the City wanker
>too pro america
>too globalist
>too obsessed with privatisation for ideological reasons
>went loopy towards the end
Overall i am ambivalent about her, but i am glad she tore Scargill a new arsehole and i share her hatred of communists
>>74726405
Look up what the 1970s were like in Britain
Thats why
>>74726582
>calls other people stupid
>says something breathtakingly stupid
>>74721687
She was more of a man than Trump will ever be.
>>74721687
She was an absolute solid leader for 8 years then it went tits up after 87. She was incredibly principled and she shook all the socialism out of Britain.
>>74726678
do you have any non neolib or boomer opinions?
maybe we should just cut all government spending because
>hurrr government spending is bad for the economy
that's the sort of retarded thinking that got you into this mess.
In reality government spending is good for the economy, high wages are good for the economy, and cheap shitskin immigrant labor (regardless of what you think) that raise housing costs and lowers wages isn't.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/jobs/10799816/Britons-suffer-unprecedented-fall-in-real-wages.html
>>74726454
member of UFCW local number 241 (I'm a retail meat cutter) and they have never done anything for me but take 12 bucks a week out of my check. Lost two jobs I absolutely should not have been fired from and other shops that arent union make equal wages, have equal benifiets, and work less hours than I do. Every union I have been apart of has only been because it was required and they have all been a sad fucking joke.
>>74726748
And replaced it with privatization, globalism, neoliberalism, and austerity.
But never mind that's good. It's good that the economy is stagnant, wages are stagnant, and housing costs are increasing
That's what Brits consider "progress"
>>74726868
You realize Regan effectively destroyed most unions in the 80s right?
Of course they're many are weak now, but I know people in trade unions that are never getting fired or replaced by spics
If you want to let Mexifats have an easier time replacing just get rid of all the unions. It worked great for the farm workers.
>>74726822
>look at me guys im doing a really good job of tearing this strawman i built to shreds
Who the fuck are you even talking to you gibbering mongoloid? When did i ever express any of the opinions you are ascribing to me? Carry on shrieking like a moron if you want i guess
>>74726582
>making your manufacturing more expensive
>while not increasing productivity
>>74726989
explain to me why low wages are good then fuckface.
I assume you have already bought your one way ticket to India since it's a low wage paradise.
>>74727069
Kill yourself
>>74721687
I think she was a good PM
>>74723463 and >>74722782 illustrate why.
>>74727051
By that logic paying labor in pennies would be the "most le efficient thing ever"
Actually I guess slave labor would be the most efficient. Why aren't you advocating bringing it back (presumably for everyone you wouldn't want any nasty wages getting in the way of production costs)
when are you moving to India again?
>>74727114
Hey it's someone living in a low wage paradise
It must be hard living there with so many westerners flooding your country since it's such a economic powerhouse
due to the low wages and all.
>>74726822
If government spending is good for the economy then communism would make a strong economy and Venezuela would be great.
>>74726454
It's very different in Britain. Unions are mostly socialist and communist that fund Leftist campaigns e.g. NoXenophobia, Antifa, etc. They have too much influence in politics and that's the problem Margaret Thatcher tried to fix (and was successful for a time).
>>74721687
Thatcher was pro-leave
If she were alive today we would be heading for Brexit
>>74727125
Yes it's always a good idea to destroy industry in your own country
>>74727197
Communism is the government ownership of the means of production "not" government spending.
If all you needed to be communist was for the government to spend money then literally every government in human history was "communist"
>>74727244
>>74727265
>b-b-but she destroyed labor and industry in Britain therefore she was good
>>74726822
Government spending is inefficient, since demand isn't factored in. Some spending is just spending for spending's sake, and just spending on what will keep people in power i.e. by voters or more commonly by lobbyists.
"Cheap shitskin labour" makes products cheaper, for the benefit of the consumer. Competition brings out the best in people as long as rules are agreed to and enforced
>>74726988
the last contract that came up for our local was voted like down something crazy like 500 to 30 and when we took the strike vote 2/3 voted in favor. Instead of a strike the union board gave a no confidence statement with a strike clause to the company and we got a raise of $1.05 over the next five years while those cocksuckers lined their pockets. its a fucking scam. I don't think the fucking spics would work for that.
>>74722178
> I'm not a lefties
> Glorified welfare queens were entitled to a job
>>74726547
> inflation does not exist
Who is this dingdong ITT going on about neoliberalism and saying privatization is a bad thing? Go back to teddit you fuck. Capitalism is, and always has been the single most effective economic method for progressively improving the standard of life from generation to generation.
>>74727368
>Government spending is inefficient
It increases demand in the economy. Every dollar spent goes not someone's pocket regardless of how it's spent.
>makes products cheaper, for the benefit of the consumer.
And it fucks up the economy because now everyone has lower wages and as a result there's lower demand
neolib idiots can't think two steps ahead.
>>74727385
Yes unions are weak now crushing unions was part of the neolib agenda along whit outsourcing and mass immigration.
they want you to work for piss low wages and dumb cucks will defend it saying that high wages for workers is "socialism"
>>74727497
Steady low inflation is good for the economy it spurs investment and discourages hoarding that would cause deflation (like what happened in the great depression)
Hyper inflation is only caused by some sort of crisis.
>>74727580
You are so fucking dumb that you don't realize neoliberalism, privatization, and globalism are all the same system run by wall street jews.
Do you not get that they want lower wages for whites and to increase their tax burden so they can crush them economically and politically (that is before they replace us will with mudshits and spics)?
>>74727253
fun fact: Whether UK should be part of the EEC was the one major area where Maggie uturned in her whole career
>>74727580
>Capitalism is, and always has been the single most effective economic method
I'm arguing for capitalism, you're arguing for globalism. You might as well saw we should invite all of Mexico because "hurr dey are cheap labor so it's good"
>>74726547
Hello Weimar Germany, how's that foreign loan?
>Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it
>>74727692
Jews want marxism you fucktarded banana. Are you suggesting that competition is a bad thing?
Name one country, JUST ONE, where socialism has ever actually worked
>>74727736
Privatization IS capitalism. You don't have any idea what you're talking about.
>>74721687
She was the last hope of the Bongs,
>>74727692
this guy has to be a shill. He just labels shit uncontrollably to pass of as analysis.
>>74727609
Demand would be there without the government taxation and spending. What you are saying is that spending is good for spendings sake. Whereas in a market, you spend on things you desire.
Not everyone has lower wages. Last time I checked the USA has pretty high wages with massive immigration. If you can use your skills you will have higher wages. if lower production costs allow you to use you more of your resources (time,capital) on your skills then you will have higher wages.
>>74727852
>muh Weimar
hyper inflation is only caused by a crisis or exogenous factors
It's never once in history been caused by deficit spending.
http://www.businessinsider.com/roche-11-myths-about-the-economy-2014-7
>>74727867
Jews want jewish control of society either through Marxism or globalism
>suggesting that competition is a bad thing?
Low wage for workers will always be bad
>where socialism has ever actually worked
You're just talking shit at this point since I don't support "socialism"
If anything you support globalism.
>>74727927
>Privatization IS capitalism
No you dumb fuck capitalism means competition
When you give a private entity a monopoly over public infrastructure you eliminate competition and have created a rent seeking monopoly, the exact opposite of what capitalism stands for.
You created an implicit oligarchy instead.
>>74726638
>>74726638
this
Everyone else in the thread is a faggot.
>>74728129
You're the neolib shill for the kikes
>lets cut the wages for white people and the public budget for all public goods for whites
Yeah what a great fucking idea
>Demand would be there without the government taxation and spending
No demand doesn't just "magically" exist you need to have spending in the economy and an entity (govenrment) that acts counter cyclically in a downturn.
> Last time I checked the USA has pretty high wages with massive immigration.
Fuck you
wages have been stagnant since the 60s "because" of mass immigration.
Every one of you globalist shills for low wages are such good goys.
>>74727253
If Margaret Thatcher were alive today she'd be rolling in her grave
yes.
she's like the anti-Hillary. she won in spite of being a woman, whereas Hillary is trying to win because she is a woman
>>74728161
The Kiwi is right, you are just throwing out words and you don't know what any of them mean. I suspect you're like 15.
When an industry is nationalized, it mean's it's a state-sponsored monopoly. When you privatize an industry, it means you're opening it up for COMPETITION in the private sector aka capitalism.
Go take a basic economic course.
>>74728161
If you increase the money supply, you will get inflation. There is generally more competition for the currency and it's value decreases.
You are talking out of your ass about privatization/capitalism/globalism or whatever and then using the jews as a scapegoat.
And it depends on how you define monopoly. If public infrastructure were to be owned in shares by the people who use it would it still be a monopoly?
The answer is yes, but incentive-wise it works differently.
>>74721687
>Margaret Thatcher
Fuck the Belgrano
>>74728447
The state doesn't work on a profit incentive and therefore doesn't charge monopoly rates for providing public goods and services
The second you give a private entity they charge monopoly rates
see Chicago or Mexico
http://www.cnet.com/news/telecom-monopoly-overcharging-mexicans-billions/
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/04/city-state-governments-privatization-contracting-backlash/361016/
>hurr basic logic is so shocking
I'd say "you're" the 14 year old libertarian that lives in his magic autistic fantasy world where government is "le evil bad guys with guns"
>>74728536
>If you increase the money supply, you will get inflation.
No shit genius. Too bad for you that low level inflation is good for the economy as I explained
>using the jews as a scapegoat.
Yes wall street dindu nuffin they gud bois they can fuck up every country with mass immigration, debt, and outsourcing, and it's completely fine.
I'm beginning to see why you're a libertarian
>. If public infrastructure were to be owned in shares by the people who use it would it still be a monopoly?
Public infrastructures don't operate based on a profit motive. If they did you'd be paying $10 for every gallon of water you used in the shower.
>>74728793
the only thing the State should be doing is standardising things like what plugs to use and voltages, the width of train rails etc
It is awful at everything else unless its pointing a gun at a worker's head. You wouldn't be typing the drivelling you are writing on internet as the State creates nothing.
>>74729085
yes private monopolies are so fucking great
oh wait
http://www.cnet.com/news/telecom-monopoly-overcharging-mexicans-billions/
The state owning public infrastructure is fucking common sense unless you want to be overcharged billions by oligarchs
Apparently oligarchy is a fundamental tenant of capitalism to you idiots.
>>74729286
m8 if we nationalised our rail the trains would be 40 mins late every fucking day.
Its bad enough as it is under private investment.
Gubbermints dont just fix everything u know.....
also
>Mexican capitalism
kek
She was a cunt . She destroyed the lives of the working class. She looked after her own elites. I had a party when she died at my local miners club.
>>74726345
no lad, it's still shit here
>>74721687
Misunderstood villain, she did her best to avoid Serfdom by privatizing industries.
>>74727725
>Maggie uturned
This is because the EU has evolved over time and mutated into a very different beast to the one we signed up for.
Staying in the EU for historical reasons (Post-WW2) is completely flawed logic
>>74729395
All privatization does is increase prices
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-21056703
Same as Mexico, same as Chicago, same as everywhere else.
>>74722178
Labour was due to shut down the mines, and a Labour unions guy sold all the miners out
Tories are establishment, but Labour are establishment plus absolute cancer
>>74721687
The fact that she triggers lefties and northerners so much is why she is our greatest leader.
>>74729815
>privatization increases prices
And the wages of MP's
>>74726567
Things would have been so much better if she had wiped out the filthy Argentinean scum.
Thatcherism/Neoliberalism is why the world is on the brink of collapse.
I hope there's a special place in hell for her and Ronnie Raygun.
>>74728793
Your own article states that the Mexican government is _partially_ responsible for the monopoly.
I'm not saying all manner of monopolies are good. I'm saying the ownership structure of private enterprise (whether it be sole, or in shares) is more efficient than public ownership.
>If they did you'd be paying $10 for every gallon of water you used in the shower.
If everyone had shares in the utility company this would be money in their own pocket. This also serves as a measure to conserve water individually while minimising cost for the whole utility.
I'm not advocating to sell off utilities to one individual. There are differing methods of privatisation out there.
>>74729815
Privatisation =/= increase prices.
>>74730349
lol, true dat.
>>74721687
> Theres no such thing as society.
Her form of liberalism created cuckservatives.
Her only value was in wrecking the far-left and being a strong individual. Her assertions of rights-responsibilities balance are also important.
> If/when Merkel dies i'm going to hold a celebration to sing "ding-dong the witch is dead" the same as left-nuts did to her.
>>74730648
>Mexican government is _partially_ responsible for the monopoly
Yeah they privatized public infrastructure which lead to a monopoly. That should be a surprise.
>If everyone had shares in the utility company this would be money in their own pocket.
That's not how companies work. You're looking at billions of dollars for the CEO and owner and a few pennies for everyone else
just like
>http://www.cnet.com/news/telecom-monopoly-overcharging-mexicans-billions/
>I'm not advocating to sell off utilities to one individual.
That's all privatization is. You're selling public infrastructure to a monopolies.
>Privatisation =/= increase prices.
It empirically does.
>>74727253
didnt she have a punch of pedos in her party? She would do whatever the kikes say to protect or else she would lose the elections
>>74730648
capitalism left unchecked naturally leads to monopoly and oligarchy. there's a reason why when mega-corporations first became a reality in the US it drove the passage of anti-trust laws giving the government power to break up monopolies.
textbook example is the deregulation of the US airline industry after the 1970s. it was expected to increase competition, increase service, and drive down ticket prices. what actually happened was it drove industry consolidation so now there's only 4 major domestic players, who act in cahoots keeping prices high. meanwhile the companies have slashed wages and service - domestic flying really sucks today.
so libertarian /pol/ needs to realize that in real life deregulation and government is not always a bad thing. but then again pretty sure the majority of /pol/ can't even afford a domestic flight so how would they ever know?
>>74729395
>Run government owned company into ground
>People get pissed
>Sell it
oldest trick in the book
>>74731173
>It empirically does.
proof?
I think you are confusing privatisation with monopolisation. Which for utilities is a very fine line and is synonymous for some methods of privatisation.
>>74732547
>Companies need to boost profit to raise share price and dividends or else CEOs get the sack
>>74721687
She wasn't even a Brit and ruined the country for her master soros.
Thatcher triggers the leftist, benefit scrounging scum and the socialist "workers" who'd strike every week over the most shitty excuses.
>>74733589
I'm centre-right and Margaret is still a cunt
>>74726345
Other than the Falklands, she didn't do anything close to making Britain great again.
She was a true patriot.
>>74721687
Despite her talking about balancing the books, and not giving government welfare queens an easy ride, one of the first thing she did was give a massive pay rise to the armed forces and the police.
She also privatized essential services like water, electricity and gas, selling them off dirt cheap (knowing full well it would all quickly end up in the hands of big corporations). She then used the money to give huge tax cuts to those same people. So basically, she deliberately created a virtual monopoly industry in areas where people had no choice but to pay the asking price of aggressive wannabe billionaires, on the grounds that we needed to compete with 3rd world slave wage practices in order to survive economically. She also oversaw the legal shenanigans which enable rich foreigners to dodge taxes and use Britain as a safe haven to this day. And she destroyed our rail service, which still remains irredeemably broken decades later.
Tells you all you need to know about her. She was a corporate puppet who destroyed the infrastructure of this country for quick profit, rather than investing in modernization.
>>74721687
She and reagen were the big original neoliberal leaders. Neoliberalism is the greatest political calamity of our times
>>74721687
Ok to understand Thatcher one must first understand the polarization of British politics. Labour voters hate conservative, vice versa. Massive class divide widened under her.
The unions went too far and she did what was necessary. She pulled the plug on the already crippled coal. (IMO necessary but gets a lot of hate)
She ruined British industry and made them dependent on a few fields, namely finance, mostly in London. She did a pretty good job IMO but the death of industry was dubious given it let Germany control industry in the EU. British car industry was never like the US in that it was going to die because of bad engineering.
>>74734322
>going to die because of bad engineering.
No, it was the Unions who fucked that up too. Leyland and Vauxhall had strikes nearly every week.
>>74727192
I'm a westerner. I'm contributing to this country economy massively. It is beneficial to people in third world countries for people/companies from first world countries to be in them. The standard of living for locals goes up.
There's a whole chapter about it in Basic Economics, I think you're too stupid to be a troll, so read it and educate yourself.
>>74734536
Exactly. Her coming down hard on the unions was entirely their fault. Also she shouldn't have been expected to continue subsidising coal, as other anons in this thread said.
Does anyone else find her hot?
>>74722178
To all /pol/ users not familiar with the phenomenon:
This is a northern "brit", essentially the niggers of this country. I'm up in their region quite often and I can confiemail they're only semi-white in their behaviour and appearance .
Poor diet as well.
>>74734049
The British military hadn't had a pay rise in years and had been constantly at war since 1945.
She scrapped local council jobs.
>>74735554
Give me a fucking break. Lots of people hadn't had a pay hike in years. How about the nurses? Or the binmen? Or the fire service? You know...people who do stuff we actually need done?
I was in the army when she came to power, and I was a recipient of that massive pay hike. Now, given that I joined when the pay was shit and she was in opposition, I clearly didn't do it for the money or the opportunity of future money.
She gave those two sectors a pay rise because she might need them to put down nationwide protests against her policies, from the people she was supposed to be looking out for.
She gave the dog a bone for barking. That's it. Period. You should grow up some.
>>74734751
Thomas Sowell is Amazing.
>>74734964
Yes.
>>74734751
Resources? Manufacturing? What are you doing over there just curious
>>74727253
Yeah she was pro leave AFTER she did more to integrate us than any other leader. Thanks to her we got a rebate though
>>74721687
The best PM as a Northern monkey
wasn't perfect though