how do i counter the "poverty is the real cause of crime" argument?
>>74686050
rich people commit crimes too tho...
>>74686050
Point to Goldman Sachs
>>74686050
Poverty has nothing to do with starvation nowadays, in the mid 00's scotland classed a lack of satellite tv as poverty
Listen to Heather Mac Donald. She's an inspiration.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1_y5OQfCZY
>>74686050
how does killing and raping help poverty?
>>74686050
>solve crime
>kill niggers
Point at West Virginia.
People rarely steal essentials like food or cheap clothes
>>74686297
they can eat the corpses and the babies
>>74686050
>>74686050
>how do i counter the "poverty is the real cause of crime" argument?
Islamic extremism from middle-class European youth.
>>74686050
By pointing out the fact that poor whites and Asians don't gun each other down in the streets by the tens of thousands anually.
>>74686050
Crime statistics of East Asian immigrants vs those of African American communities.
>>74686050
People are not stealing to buy essentials like food and cloths. They are stealing to buy luxuries.
>>74686050
Blaming poverty is simply a PC garbage to hide the inconvenient truth... black commit disproportionate amount of crimes.
>>74686050
A point these "poverty causes all crime" folks miss is that there are actual, significant benefits to committing a crime. Crime is lucrative. The threat of punishment is necessary to keep someone from making the rational decision to steal from a store or rob a rich persons house. If a rational human calculates that the punishment for committing a crime is less than the benefits of doing so, then they very well may do it.
A comparison can be made to traffic law. If every one is obeying traffic laws and driving politely, then anyone who decides to start driving like an asshole (cutting people off, merging without permission, running reds, whatever) is instantly going to benefit. Note that this is not that case in a shithole like Mexico City, where everyone drives like an asshole, and you therefore must drive like an asshole just to break even. Unless this behavior is punished and stopped, others may begin to do it as well, as the rude driver is now worsening their own driving experience, and they may feel the need to drive like an asshole to compensate. Same thing with crime, same reason it still needs to be punished, even if it's caused by poverty.
The argument for this is made better in the book "Nation of Rebels: Why Counter Culture became Consumer Culture".
>>74686050
Just say that both poverty and crime are the result of low intelligence.
>>74686050
You counter with the fact that crime actually went down during the great recession.
Point out what you think is then the true cause of the increase in crime rate. What do you think that is OP?
>>74686050
Find examples of those in poverty not committing crimes and those who commit crimes that are not in poverty
>>74687213
This might also work if whoever you're arguing with is completely oblivious about how statistics work but you're already arguing with someone who has poor understanding of correlation and causation so I guess it will.
>>74686050
Claim that crime and poverty are both intentionally created by the government. Read some Michele Alexander for more info.
>>74686050
By pointing out that the best factor for the correlation of crime is ethnicty.
>>74686050
>People should get paid to not act like pieces of shit
crime leads to poverty
you ain't gettin no job if yous a batterer, and nobody's building/investing in your neighborhood if it's a favela
the correlation goes the other way, if anything
>this thread
There are studies that account for sociodemographics showing it has nothing to do with poverty
Don't refute it with your personal philosophy when there's hard data on the subject
>>74687400
This is the closest thing to your best answer but it's still anecdotal
>>74686050
By showing that other ethnic groups have larger populations in poverty yet commit less crime than blacks. By showing that other ethnic groups (such as Hispanics) have both more people living in poverty and a higher per capita rate of poverty than Africans yet even if every single crime not committed by African Americans was committed by a Hispanic that Hispanics STILL would have a lower per capital crime rate than African Americans.
You could further demolish the argument by showing that African Americans back in the 50's were in far worse poverty, had true 'institutional racism', and had no government poverty 'services' yet had a vastly lower crime rate per capita than they do now.
>>74687167
well its obviously niggers and mexicans. i just wanted to be able to back the argument up in a little more "liberal friendly" way
>>74688006
Honestly I wouldn't argue that any single factor is solely responsible for poverty but a specific combination of factors. In statistical analysis a number of combinations can lead to a certain trend that can't be replicated if one of the factors is missing.
So for example:
>Poverty + Homogeneity = No increase
>Poverty + Diversity/Racial tension = Increase
>Poverty + Cultural factor = Increase
The best way is to just keep hitting them with data like >>74687400 to force them to come to their own conclusion rather than repelling them from the truth by being forceful in your presentation.
Poverty has nothing to do with crime.
Shitskins cause crime. Remove them and you remove crime.
>>74687807
>>74686050
Compare crime statistics of black America with some Eastern European shithole that has comparable average income to the average nigger
>>74686050
Co-opt it. Say it is the cause of some crime, be vague about the amount. Talk about specific crime that is not connected to poverty. White collar crimes.
>>74686050
Rich people kill people too.
You know what causes crime? Fucking humanity.
It's not the "real cause" since crime is the product of an amalgamation of issues. However, if you think that poverty doesn't have a significant impact on crime you're actually retarded.
>>74686050
A study that cleverly proved some cultures are more violent than others (7 minutes):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-4G-2HbNqg
>>74686050
>how do i counter the "poverty is the real cause of crime" argument?
By that logic, it would make sense to pay people protection money to behave, like the mafia. But that'll never happen in 21st century parody world...
Also, there's shitloads of poor white people that are NOT criminals.
>>74689889
Poverty has little to no effect on crime. Thanks for trying my liberal friend.
The poorest county in all the U.S. has a crime rate that is half of the national average. Guess what, it's 99% white. During the great depression where people were literally starving to death crime actually went down. Poverty has almost nothing to do with crime.
>>74686050
show them nigger rape stats
>>74686050
Point out that there are plenty of (white) areas that are in extreme poverty and don't have high crime rates.
West Virginia is among the poorest states (if not THE poorest state) and it has a comparatively low crime rate
Q.E.D.
>>74686050
>>74686050
you can't
because it's the truth
>>74686050
jews create proverty.
therefore, jews are the root cause of crime.
>>74686050
Poverty has zero to none effect on crime. Crime is the result of weak judiciary + lack of moral guidelines.
Simply point to Europe. During the economic crysis following the black thursday/friday Europe was drowning in poverty and still thanks to homogenous societies back then people still did not have to lock the doors of their homes. They helped each other out the best they could.
They had moral standards and law enforcement was strict. Noone marauded throu the streets, noone plundered, noone invaded other's homes.
Now after decades of forced immigration and multiculturalism we have to lock our homes because and keep guns ready because amoral shitskins wander around who walk free even after commiting rape, robbery, assault etc. (weak judiciary thx to political correctness and not be called racist)
They are not poor. They get 900 €+ (usually much more) from the state.
