So I heard Polish killed ethnic Germans before, during, and after world war 2. And I mean German civilians in Poland, is this true?
>>74678521
Yes
>>74678564
Then why isn't it remembered like the holocaust?
Yes Polish faggs killed my great grandfather
>>74678521
wtf r u saying boiii.
>>74678521
Before? Yes. During? Fucking war. After? Bullshit.
>>74678595
Just for being German? That's racist as shit, how come this isn't a well known fact in the history books?
>>74678659
Why? Why did they just lynch ethnic Germans for no reason at all?
>>74678594
Because it isn't true
>>74678619
Now I'm going to have to feel guilt when reading the history books.
>>74678666
Poles are like Russians they like the history their way
>>74678706
What isn't true, you're saying this never happened?
>>74678698
Because Germany was using ethnic Germans in neighboring countries as a reason for annexation.
>>74678741
But it's not in Canadian history books.
>>74678594
Goes against the chosen narrative.
>>74678757
It didnt happen
It was propaganda during Hitler's reign digged up by stormfront and they go about on the internet looking to trick leaves into thinking it actually happened
>>74678521
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0wHzx2ymFk
>pol was right again
>>74678719
wtf r u saying boiiii???
>>74678760
Oh, but that doesn't give Poland the excuse to lynch German men women and children.
>>74678830
>let me tell you about your country
it happened during and after the war even today Poles hate Silesians for being ,,volksdeutsch''
>>74678698
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partitions_of_Poland
when your country dissappears for 123 years how do you expect us not to see the people responsible for it as a threat to our existence?
those who forget about their history are doomed to repeat it
>>74678521
No, it is a meme the Nazis made up to justify their aggression.
>>74678830
Oh ok thats good. As a Pole I love history because I don't feel guilt reading anythnig. Now I'm back to being ok.
>>74678521
We also killed the jews after ww2 as well
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kielce_pogrom
Now gtfo Poland
>>74678983
Thank God. As a Pole I was so worried I would have to feel guilt when reading history.
>>74678521
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_(1939)
It was during the war.
>>74678521
it was just revange dor partitions, occupation and destroying the nation.
one more thing tho.
we haven't killed enough.
but where we failed, islamists will succeed
>>74679051
they killed us and even today they hate us
http://www.silesia-schlesien.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=195:polacy-obrazaja-slazakow use google translate
>>74679180
Bullshit. I have many German friends.
>>74679051
Does living in Canada make everyone a faggot?
>>74679051
>Trusting a retarded weeboo mongol
It happened faggot, but i was when German invaded Poland, Poles even killed kikes in Jedwabne.
>>74678521
>muh 6 gorillion ethnic germans
>>74679345
what's bullshit? go on /int/ and say that you are Silesian and farm (yous)
>>74678895
it was some extremist but the polish governement dindu nuffin to protect the prussians even when the german governement was asking it to stop
>>74679345
Germans killed way more poles than the other way around. This is what should make you feel bad, not the other retarded reason
>>74679378
Fuck off, I'm not going to trust a faggot Georgin
>>74679357
I'm not a faggot.
>>74679451
Except I'm Polish so I won't feel personal guilt.
>>74679051
Just read Hitler's book. He hated Slavs and wanted to conquer Slavic lands to colonise with Germans. Everything he did with Poland was just am excuse.
>>74679446
It wasn't the average Pole right? I'm kinda guilty a bit because the government didn't do anything
>>74679420
Why will that get me yous?
>>74679104
>The sequence started with an attack of German Selbstschutz snipers on retreating Polish troops and then was followed by Polish contraction and final retaliation executed on Polish hostages by Wehrmacht and Selbstschutz, after fall of the city. All these events resulted in the deaths of both German and Polish civilians. Polish Institute of National Remembrance investigation reports and confirms 254 direct victims of Lutheran confession (assumed as German minority victims), 86 direct victims of Catholic confession (assumed as Polish civilian victims) and 20 Polish soldiers dead. Approximately 600–800 Polish hostages were shot in mass execution in the aftermath of the fall of the city.
This was all the fault of Germans. They took Polish hostages.
>>74679508
I did and I hated it. But if Slavs lynched innocent Germans that's pretty bad.
Literallly no evidence at all
>>74678905
for fuck sake they are your brothers at least, like the czech
>>74679589
Poles think that Silesians are German hidden option
>>74679051
nice try rabbi
but yes, there were pogroms of Germans in here
I guess those during and right after war are well justified
no nation is saint, as Ukrainians about us
and it wasn't 6 mln of Germans for sure, I have seen estimation 4000-6000
>>74679632
It did not happen. See: >>74679604
The only event they can come up with was because the Germans attacked Polish civilians and retreating soldiers.
>>74679504
You should feel guilt because your ancestors were no match to the eternal kraut. Your reasoning is a result of high estrogen and a lifetime of marxist indoctrination
>>74678521
Nazi lies. Poland a good boi he din do nuffin
>>74679011
I saw some of the documentary shoah the other day. They ask local poles who lived through ww2 if they miss the jews in areas they were deported. The poles straight up tell them no and that they exploited poles. Some even laughed about making throat slitting gestures to jews on trains going to treblinka when they were kids. Poles give zero fucks
>>74679667
Giving Silesia to Poles is like giving a clock to a monkey >Michael Howard
>>74679508
>Just read Hitler's book. He hated Slavs
Fair point, but who doesn't? Even Slavs hate Slavs.
>>74679724
So no Polish citizen actually went around lynching innocent Germans? Ok thx for the info, I'm back on the Polish side. Just was wondering if both sides were evil but needed confirmation it was fake. It did sound like propaganda.
>>74679673
Oh lol I will do that.
>>74679589
well yes but for fuck sake the new polish governement of that time(the old one was pro german) didnt done anything with these marxist polish extremist
>>74679739
Poland had some of the greatest culture ever it was a huge match.
>high result of estrogen
Empathy is estrogen? Dude gladiators felt empathy for eachother haven't you seen the movie he's merciful to the guys he beats.
>>74679916
Well it's not like they could.
>>74679861
Fuck off I love Slavs.
>>74679786
jak tam życie w familoku ?
>>74680000
jak tam pasożytowanie na zagłębiu :DD?
>>74679786
just liberate them and maybe start a federation like the UE but only for your 3 countries
it will reduce the ethnic tension without severing each other compleatly
>>74679861
Not really relevant to the point. Which is that Hitler had aims to expand into Poland anyway. The claims about atrocities etc was just to justify what Hitler was going to do anyway.
>>74679468
You don't have to trust me, you can find information by yourself. why are you such a pussy, leaf? there is nothing wrong with killing your enemies.
>>74678521
Polandbros, what's your opinion on Galicians? my Family originates from East Galicia
>>74679604
I just provided inflammation. of course it was German's fault, because they were the ones who invaded.
>>74679977
they could, it was done by thousands
its like saying the german governement couldnt do anything with the cologne attack (but with way more victim with this one)
>>74679954
Are you retarded? What does culture have to do with war? The germans humiliated poland. polish cavalry were literally charging at tanks
>>74680062
w sensie?
;_;
>>74680289
*Information
>>74680306
kiedy w Polsce była bieda po zakończeniu komuny wszyscy zjeżdzali się na zagłębie u nas by zarobić na jedzenie gdyż Warszawa i reszta Polski to był syf
>>74678521
We killed them
they killed us
we killed them some more
they killed us some more.
good times desu
>>74680303
>Are you retarded? What does culture have to do with war? The germans humiliated poland. polish cavalry were literally charging at tanks
we love the horses and the horses love us
>>74680339
You asked for that.
>>74680412
tak masz rację ale na szczescie swiat idzie do przodu i wegla juz nikt nie potrzebuje
ale tak czy siak nie życze wam źle mam nadzieje ze się jakos przebranżowicie tak jak to zrobili niemcy w zaglebiu ruhry
>>74680303
Its from nazi propaganda movie you fucking burger
Poland was probably the biggest cucks of the war.
They deliberately surrendered as many cities to the Soviets as they could in 1939 because they considered them to be the better option than Germany (Because Ivan would be good commie goys and defend their shekels)
>>74680339
fucking krauts you did it first
clay thieves
>>74678521
Yes. Most Poles today living in fancy German-style houses in West Poland killed the original owner families and buried them in the backyard. True story, look it up.
>>74679861
I wish Stalin had ordered the red army to march on the rest of germany.
It came !<-->! close to it too. If not for NATO
>>74678905
Confirmed. My family were from Breig (Bzreg) and were Prussian. Poles killed half the family (women and children) at the end of the war. Russians took the rest.
>>74680842
who cares about some slavized krauts dude
there were pogroms by basically every ethnic group against basically every other ethnic group
>>74680339
they should have broken germany to pieces than giving away these land to non-germanic governement
just divide them by ethicity
creating :
the westphalian country
the rhenish country
the swabian country
the bavarian country
the franconian country
the saxon country
the pomerenian country
and the prussian country
like that it only weaken the german governement without making the geman peoples suffers
>>74680766
it was Deutsch before poland even existed!
>>74680845
Why? So all of Germany could be a soviet-propagandized alcoholic hellhole like all of Eastern Europe?
>>74681063
exactly
>>74681063
Yes
>>74680842
Can confirm, originally from Sprottau, had to kill 100s of Germans to make it Szprotawa.
>>74681060
>goths
>modern germans
so we wuz persians n shieet
>Polish killed ethnic Germans
No such thing. Poles can do no wrong.
>>74681063
yes like that you wouldnt be fucking pussies
>>74681149
i don't know if i should dismantle your argument or just go with it
>>74681099
>>74681116
>>74681176
Yeah no fuck that. We deserve a much better life than all of you.
>>74680897
And also Droszków
>>74678521
Try speaking german in Poland we'll see how it ends..
>>74681124
my great grandfather raped 3 german girls in breslau
but I don't see nothing wrong with this
>>74681270
wrocław* (skurwysynu)
>>74681239
well right now you have it wrost than them culturaly
>>74681239
Why? Germans don't even deserve to exist.
>>74681270
>only 3
what a fag
>>74681270
My great grandfather died in the camp 2 weeks before the war ended and we were "liberated." Lucky you bro.
>>74681239
all you deserve is dresden, over n over again, dresden
>>74681355
What makes you believe that? We're the good guys of history and never did anything wrong, especially not when we were eliminating ugly-speaking Slavic filth.
>>74680303
they literally did not
>>74681491
>we good krauts
>we dindu nuffin
>>74681401
oy vey
Who cares?
Wwii happened, people died. Not relevant anymore. Why perpetuate a cycle of butthurt when we could work towards a better future.
Start with removing kebab from Europe.
>>74681491
>What makes you believe that?
You lost two world wars, by right your nation should have been exterminated and your lands divided.
>>74681633
Nah, I'm Polish, as was my great grandfather. Jew blood free, as far as I can tell. Apparently he ended up there due to being a Jehovah's Witness. What a cunt.
>>74681604
Your country would be much more worthwhile under German rule and German-speaking.
>>74681652
I know, isn't it ironic that Russia will be carved up instead?
>>74681491
>eliminating ugly-speaking Slavic filth
Fortunately today you are open, liberal, multi cultural, peaceful etc
I love you
>>74681788
>Fortunately today you are open, liberal, multi cultural, peaceful etc
Still way more honorable than being Polish.
>>74681752
>I know, isn't it ironic that Russia will be carved up instead?
Russia always expands, contracts, expands, contracts and so on. We will be fine.
>>74681752
>under german rule
What and be war mongering failures wasting resources and man power endlessly on perpetual wars just like you?
Sounds like a shitty deal
>>74681491
>adolf hitler
>did nothing wrong
except WW2 and merkel
>>74681752
>better under German rule and language
Nice try, they'd be full of Muslims now if that were the case.
>>74681788
Is the Muslim using a flail with Quran as the tip?
Wtf?
>>74678521
My grandparents evaded from a former german part of todays poland, they even speak polish because they were forced to speak it. Speaking german was a strictly punnished sin back then
>>74681929
But German culture and language are utterly superior to Slavics, no intelligent person would even dare to deny that.
>>74681745
well he deserved it :^)
>>74681892
Russia is hanging by a thread and you know it.
>>74681900
If Germany is so bad, why are so many Poles coming here to work?
>>74681994
>But German culture and language
Are dead.
>>74681955
Just like speaking polish was punishable for 123 years when germans where in charge. They got the taste of their own medicine.
>>74682112
>Russia is hanging by a thread and you know it.
We will be fine. Things could get a thousand times worse.
>>74678659
>After? Bullshit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_labor_of_Germans_after_World_War_II#Poland
There is even a JEW who fucking killed 20.000 germans alone in a concentration camp.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salomon_Morel
>>74682116
Nope, alive and kicking.
Again, your country will be history very soon, while Germany will keep trucking.
And there's nothing you can do to prevent that.
>>74681955
>>74681994
You will all hang evetually, just wait fuckers
>>74678594
Because Germans don't run hollywood and aren't cramming it down your throat. Same reason no one talks about the millions of Ukrainians and Russian Christians killed by the (jewish) Bolsheviks.
>>74682149
>Just like speaking polish was punishable for 123 years when germans where in charge
Sure, but that was because you're bad guys and your language sounds like horrible alien gibberish.
>>74682112
I dont care about ukranians,gypsies,roma and what have you not coming from here to germany.
serves you right.
>>74682227
>Nope, alive and kicking.
With your 1.1 birthrate and mass immigration of Arabs?
>Again, your country will be history very soon
t. Every idiot who has tried destroying us.
> while Germany will keep trucking.
Germany is already gone. You are just cosmopolitans now and soon will be extinct.
>>74682232
Try me, you scrawny slavo-pantywaist.
>>74682177
You mean 2,000. And it includes Poles. Jews don't discriminate when it comes to murdering Europeans that much.
>>74682175
This. Things were 100000 times worse than this.
Germany on the other hand is self destructing.
>>74681752
I actually like Germany and German culture, but Germany needs to be destroyed as a unified entity.
All Germans ever do on /pol/ is rage against Poles and Russians, maybe throw a few "Eternal Anglo"s in there too.
You people are absolutely intent on expanding eastwards, and destroying the rest of Europe to do it if you think it's necessary.
Nowadays the EU is ruining the European countries, and trying to provoke a war with Russia (whilst having no army) and inviting hordes of invaders in.
Go back to writing good music, stop trying to govern.
>>74682281
it really fucking does. and it reads like a fucking atbash code. polish language needs to be exterminated.
>>74682281
>you're bad guys
Nope, that's you, the original niggers of europe.
>your language sounds like horrible alien gibberish
The ironings of that sentence coming from a german is astounding.
>>74682405
If not from Our hands than muslims will do the job, just wait.
>>74682397
Wishful thinking. Our influence grows while yours is gone forever. There's absolutely nothing that can justify Russia any further. Mineral oil and gas prices will never recover, you will balkanize, and I'll sit over here in my comfy, commercially extremely successful, united Germany, gloating.
>>74682407
>You mean 2,000
No, I mean 2 gorillion
>Jews don't discriminate when it comes to murdering
Just shows that all this hate against each other here is totally irreverent. We first need to finish our common enemy.
>It's a self-righteous g*rman episode
>>74682628
Can't disagree with that.
>>74682608
>united Germany
Germany is not unified. Austria will eternally deny this status to you.
>Our influence grows while yours is gone forever.
If you mean your cuckoldry grows then this is a bad thing.
>>74682512
Our language is strong and beautiful at the same time, it's everything you inconsequential Slavshits wish your languages were.
>>74682832
Your language is disgusting to everyone don't delude yourself osman
the butthurt belt has migrated west...
>>74682832
>strong
schmetterling
>beautiful
ok you got me here
>>74682608
>Mineral oil and gas prices will never recover
actually you're wrong, western oil reserves are shrinking rapidly, which is why I suspect the economic turmoil in venezualia is perpetrated by CIA economic hitmen.And if things dont go well there.
Well then , that's the utter end of USA's industrial power house.
Unless they kiss vatnik's ass real nice.
>>74682832
>Our language
We're talking about german or arabic?
>>74682832
autism is strong in this one
this thread = butthurt kraut
>>74682474
We were utterly against the EU expanding eastwards. That was another dastardly plan cooked up by the likes of France to dilute our influence within the union. Too bad they're too disorganized to put bricks on top of each other and our corporations used the opportunity to assume direct control, so the plan backfired.
>>74678706
Yes it is. My family was in Poland and Germany during world War 2 and suffered under the poles. A friend had many German relatives in Poland before world war 2 and many were killed.
I still hate nazi for there shitty socialism though.
>>74683386
remember Goebbels last words faggot
>>74683149
>>74681270
>WE WUZ RAPISTS
And you wonder why Hitler considered your people to be like the American Apache, to be cordoned off and kept in a secure place?
It confounds me that so many Poles in the midst of the existential crisis Europe is going through still see nationalist Germany as the prime problem. You all might have a strong ethnic identity (good), but you refuse to get past petty tribal hatreds.
Poland is a corrupt state and has at best a sputtering economy. There is a massive emigration problem that you all have as anyone who can is fleeing to UK, Germany, or the US.
Besides the rape and murder in 1945, what have you done with your conquered territories? What progress have you effected by dint of labor and creativity? Germans colonized areas up to Kazakhstan by virtue of their agricultural industry. You boast of accomplishing the rape defenseless girls.
I suggest that you get in touch with your Catholic roots and the essence of Christian virtue. Christendom is Europe and Europe is Christendom. If Europeans are to have a future, we need Germany to rise from the ashes of Bolshevism. Without it, you will become cucked too.
polska dindu nuffin polska was the only victim of all its neighbors for no reason
>>74682474
>trying to provoke a war with Russia
really? they did not even want to handle the shit in ukraine and begged the U.S. to deal with it.
>>74683386
A friend had many German relatives in Poland before world war 2
Poles also had many Polish relatives in Poland before world war 2.
>>74682996
Pls tell me more about the happenings in venezuela
i was out of the loop for a month
I am not aware of such things taking place. But war is war. Could happen. Could not.
>>74683217
>We were utterly against the EU expanding eastwards.
In the original expansion to the former Warsaw Pact countries, perhaps. Yet the Germans pretty hastily assembled a preliminary deal that excluded agriculture from the free-trade agreements, thus securing that German industrial goods would dominate the rest of the EU.
Then Germany recognised Croatia and Slovenia (now in the EU) despite misgivings by France and Britain.
And it is absolutely Germany that is pushing for the admittance of Ukraine into the EU, not to mention the German reduction of Greece to a protectorate.
>by the likes of France to dilute our influence within the union.
Please, the French politicians know their place in the union, Germany makes most of the decisions whilst France pretends to still be powerful and independent.
>Too bad they're too disorganized to put bricks on top of each other.
This from the nation that couldn't unify itself until 1871?
am I the only one who likes both krauts and polaks?
>>74683465
I don't know goebbels, never met him but I've sat and talked with friends and relatives who described there friends and family being imprisoned, beaten, and killed simply for being German (long before the war)
>>74683857
I like both.
In fact, I find it hard to dislike most Europeans in general.
>>74683857
I am both lol
>>74678594
For the same basic reason that people only talk about the 6 million jews, even though they allege that there was an equally large number of christians who also died during the holocaust.
Doesn't fit the narrative. Holocaust must only be about jews and they don't want to "share" victimhood with anyone else. Same reason why jewish groups (like the ADL, IIRC) claim that the armenian genocide wasn't a genocide. They don't like the word genocide being applied to anything except the holocaust/jews.
Another thing you that you have to remember is that the holocaust is considered super-evil because it was this allegedly cruel and systematic extermination process. Wasn't just one group fighting and killing another group in a standard way, as was german expulsion from newly-polish clay. Even the alleged 6 million is a tiny drop in the bucket compared to the dozens and dozens and dozens of millions of lives lost in WW2 (and WW1, for that matter).
>>74683573
Yeah they were hoping they'd be able to expand right to Russia's frontiers without military conflict.
And your politicians were stupid enough to go along with it. It only benefits Germany and the EU for the US to maintain an anti-Russia foreign policy, to continue to operate NATO, and to be responsible for European security.
>>74683878
that's very good cause they should be
>>74683627
http://time.com/4341450/venezuela-state-of-emergency-murder-caracas/
>>74683904
beside the albanians and bosniaks obviously
>>74683857
Yes, you either support Europeans or Germans
>>74683549
>still see nationalist Germany as the prime problem
It is our prime problem, because every time "nationalist germany" becomes a thing they end up murdering our population. This thread gives you a pretty good image of average german's attitutude towards us.
>Poland is a corrupt state and has at best a sputtering economy
Yeah, nice meme, I bet you actually know shit about eastern europe. "Corrupt state" is a catchphrase udereducated types like you always love to spout.
>I suggest that you get in touch with your Catholic roots
No one cares about your suggestions.
>If Europeans are to have a future, we need Germany to rise from the ashes of Bolshevism
They already did that, bolshevism died a long time ago you poor fuck. Germans embraced american liberalism and they reap the profits now, both the positive and negative.
>>74683217
Deutsch Bruder, I think of this fact, too.
German corporations dominate the functioning elements of the Polish economy. This makes the inane anti-German attitudes all the more humorous.
>>74683753
We both know that we'd get gutted and ingested by our splendid neighborhood if we don't make sure we're more powerful than them. They revile us for no good reason at all. Our hegemonial interest is a measure of precautious defense, so they don't go "hey guise, let's go plunder Germany lol" again. I really have no idea why most of you Brits side with them instead of us.
>>74683217
you are the reason eu expanded eastwards lel
now you are getting shitloads of money from there, poland especially
>>74684130
and kosovars
>>74678521
Yes, but not nearly to the extent Nazi apologist faggots would have you believe.
>>74678905
>being this stupid
you dont even know what does volksdeutch mean huh?
>>74684072
Lol how does trying to be cool on the Internet anonymously make your life better?
I always thought the 4chan autist was a meme but I'm starting to think half the posts come from retards
>>74683735
This, we had reasons to racism against gernans because they killed our people, look up piaśnica massacre and such
>>74684215
If you're so great, you'll work towards putting the Polish industry into Polish hands through honesty and effort. If you can't even do that, you'll never be able to afford independence.
>>74684297
t. country who has never had to live beside the eternal merkel
It's totally founded hatred m8
>>74684297
You don't seem to get it.
If someone speaks german language or practises german traditions in Poland they should hang.
(In my opinion)
>>74679180
>slask
i will explain you why most of the country hates you and you welfare queens called """miners"""
all you do is demanding more and more money for coal mines while you dont bring any profit, you waste billions of złoty every year for doing shitty job.
>mor munni fur poor coal minerzzz
just fuck off they should shoot every one of you as soon as you start any shit you fucking lazy retards.
>>74684535
Germans refuse to play the blame game. Pointing fingers and referring to history is a waste of energy. This makes us more effective at everyday life and business. Poles could take a page from that book.
>>74684550
Why? Poles in Germany are allowed to speak their language and practice their traditions. It's only fair that the contrary is allowed.
>>74684530
ok
but who said we're great ahmed
>>74684704
Don't you want to be great? Where are your testicles?
>>74684699
This isn't history this is for all time, you are the eternal threat to all Europeans, you never stop
>>74682900
Your entire culture is a sad excuse.
You guise realize that once Germany lost there were so many Germans living in Poland (exPrussia) borders they just decided for Keks to be Poles learn polish and weren't relocated. Keks on them Polanistation occurred rapidly.
>>74684794
We do not threaten anyone, least of all Europe, you memester.
>>74680412
a teraz żyjecie jak takie wszy gniezdzac sie w familokach i strajkujące o więcej pięniędzy bo na czternastki wam nie starcza za tą chujową robotę co robicie.
>>74684157
>This thread gives you a pretty good image of average german's attitutude towards us.
Maybe on /pol/. The average german walking around fits in 3 categories
>doesn´t care about your existence or the existence of anyone else
>only knows you for the "steals german cars" meme
>know the shit you see in german media propaganda since your nationalist government got voted in
The germans on /pol/ "hate" many of you on here because you play the jew (eternal victim) when talking about 1930-1950. Your country went full retard before WW2, your actions let directly to the war (thanks to being sweet talked by the UK and US) and yet you claim to know nothing about it or flat out deny everything.
That´s about it. There usually is not reasonable discussion with you guys on here, only shitposting.
>>74684903
S E L F - A W A R E N E S S
>>74684786
No, not really.
In more than 1000 years of our history we never cared for that, we are content with just comfy living and healthy moral traditions.
Pity we're surrounded by babbies that need to invade others in order to feel "great".
>>74685019
>Your country went full retard before WW2
This describes Germany the best.
>>74684157
Right, so ultra cuckage under the USSR was a preferable circumstance than being a junior partner in Germany's united Europe? And no, the 4th Reich is not your concern. Millions of Moslems and Africans zerg rushing you is.
I know several Polish expatriots, who retain a strong nationalism. They ALL say that the state is corrupt. Regarding emigration, this is an obvious fact. And as for my education, for a Burger I am more than well educated, formally and otherwise.
Bolshevism is dead? Maybe so in Warsaw (again, a good thing about your people.) But in America and in Western Europe, we are to the point of transgenderism as being a requirement. Bolshevism is an anti-Christ, anti-order mentality that seeks to pit group against group. It is a demonic idea from Marx that history is just clashing between different classes.
It would be to your own detriment that you look for old rivalries. If Hofer, Trump, and then the AfD/FN win, we will all be allies with Mr. Putin. I'd suggest we all look to being team players.
>>74684197
>our splendid neighborhood
Are we referring to France or Russia?
>we'd get gutted and ingested
If you mean France, then yes - Germany would and has been devastated by a more powerful France.
As for Russia, German fears for an invasion from the east have existed since Germany was unified - it was why Bethmann Hollweg pushed for war against Russia before and after WW1, but these fears seem, to me, to be unfounded. Russia has only ever entered German soil AFTER a German declaration of war against Russia.
>They revile us for no good reason at all.
Both France and Russia remember the humiliation and destruction wrought upon them by Germany.
>Our hegemonial interest is a measure of precautious defense.
States that seek hegemony rarely, if ever, are seeking to secure their security. Complete German hegemony on the continent would create vassals of France and Russia, you can't honestly believe this is in the spirit of defence.
>I really have no idea why most of you Brits side with them instead of us.
It's really very simple. The British balance of power strategy seeks to avoid the creation of a single hegemonic power that could then threaten the independence of Britain. Essentially, we're worried that once you all stop pointing your armies at eachother, you'll raise a navy capable of subduing Britain.
Since Germany's creation in 1871, an unchallengable power of 70+ million people, unrivalled industrial and military capacity has existed in the centre of Europe. This is a threat to Britain due to your naval bases on the North Sea - something Russia doesn't possess.
>>74685148
Russia shouldn´t point at others regarding "full retard" at that time period. At least in germany the people were happy and had food instead of dying by the millions in commiestan.
>>74678521
Before - It's a typical piece of Nazi propaganda, they said the same thing about supposed persecution of Germans in Czechoslovakia, in order to justify taking over the whole country.
During - it's kind of obvious. You know, that's how war works. But if you mean just the civilian population that moved to German-occupied Poland, then not exactly. There weren't any acts of terrorism aimed at German civilians per se, though there is evidence of some assasinations of German civilians (engineers, Nazi party officials, etc...)
After - apparently there were places where lynch-mobs formed. Especially in regions, where there were distinct ethnic minorities, neither Polish nor German, that chose to collaborate with the Nazis (Silesians, certain sub-groups of highlanders, etc...). But the typical ethnic Germans were forced to move west by the Red Army - before they could actually face real threat from Poles (not that this really saved them, as Soviets did quite a lot of raping and murdering of their own).
>>74685343
>Bolsheviks
>Russian
That's a pretty fresh meme there
>>74685343
Russia was only Commie because Germans sent Lenin back with a train of gold and banknotes. All your fault as usual.
>>74685270
>Are we referring to France or Russia?
We're referring to the entirety of Europe. France and Russia are just the biggest turds in the pile.
>Complete German hegemony on the continent would create vassals of France and Russia, you can't honestly believe this is in the spirit of defence.
Why? They are the aggressive dipshits in this.
>blah blah blah you want to fuck Britain
Why would we? Do you really believe your island is all that interesting?
>>74685474
>playing the blame game
See, you're just as feeble-minded as the Pollacks.
>>74685270
>It's really very simple. The British balance of power strategy seeks to avoid the creation of a single hegemonic power that could then threaten the independence of Britain. Essentially, we're worried that once you all stop pointing your armies at eachother, you'll raise a navy capable of subduing Britain.
Ironically it was the United States that ended up dominating the balance of power and now has the largest navy in the world.
>>74685543
Feeble minded how? There is such a thing as cause and effect.
>>74678521
we should stop blaming each other. The Second World War is history. Time to move on
>>74685420
It was still their country that went full retard was it not? It wouldn´t have worked without millions of actuall russians following the idea.
>>74685500
>Why would we? Do you really believe your island is all that interesting?
>We're referring to the entirety of Europe. France and Russia are just the biggest turds in the pile.
Germans are destructive. You're fucking cancer that just won't stop and will make any excuse to carry on what you would believe to be a just cause of conquest to defend yourself. I say this again, you people are blinded by your self pride and will be the fucking end of this continent.
If humanity or white people ever had a real enemy, it is you.
>>74685019
Great post. Have a Taylor Swift.
>>74685474
Ok remind me next time that I just need one person and a bit of money for a full revolution of the country with the biggest land mass on the planet. Sounds rather simple.
>>74685547
US and bongs are one and the same really
or used to be, bong globalists moved to usa and seem to have forgotten about england
>>74685645
Lenin wouldn't have achieved anything had your Czar not been a massive dipshit. It was his ineptitude and the anger of the Russian people that made way for the communist takeover. What the hell makes you think it was a German conspiracy? Sure, the German leadership didn't mind that the Czar got fucked, they hated him, absolutely everybody did.
>>74685744
You're brainwashed. We have no desire to destroy anything.
>>74685019
>Your country went full retard before WW2, your actions let directly to the war
Same to you my friend, You want full retard except you personally started the war and invented a genocidal ideology to go with it. Blaming the poles is like prosecuting a victim of murder.
>There usually is not reasonable discussion with you guys on here, only shitposting.
Quite the opposite, it's usually the mildly autistic poles who post a pages long responses to some germ who spouts "le polish subhuman" memes. Also, you outclassed us in butthurt by miles.
>>74685253
>junior partner in Germany's united Europe?
Junior what? How did this partnership was supposed to look like? We give them land when they demand and in return we don't get inveded? xD That's some nigger logic right there.
>They ALL say that the state is corrupt
Of course they do, since they left they probably don't have the best oppinion about Poland, for a variety of reasons. I on the other hand worked in the administration for some time and never seen more corruption than you could encounter in any western country.
>But in America and in Western Europe, we are to the point of transgenderism as being a requirement
That's not bolshevism actually. That's just liberalism, which is by the way the product of BOTH Germany and America (the frankfurt school and a variety of american movements, from civil rights to feminism)
> If Hofer, Trump, and then the AfD/FN win, we will all be allies with Mr. Putin
Yeah, good luck with that. At least your poor grasp of politics gives you the optimism, that's always a good thing to have in life.
>>74685888
hahahahahahaha you should examine yourselves as a nation if you really think that
>>74685744
germans build
anglos destroy
>>74685888
>We have no desire to destroy anything.
Of course you don't, because in your eyes it's not destroying, it's simply rebuilding it to your needs and desires.
>>74685836
>US and bongs are one and the same really
Now, not then. I think it's absolutely disgusting that the UK, Australia and Canada have all surrendered our foreign policy to the United States. We even have American troops on our soil.
>>74685500
>We're referring to the entirety of Europe. France and Russia are just the biggest turds in the pile.
France and Russia are the only ones capable of taking on Germany - France not so much anymore. And don't act like you're special in that regard, relations have always been cut-throat in European diplomacy.
>Why? They are the aggressive dipshits in this.
Because then Germany becomes the ruler of Europe, it would not be protecting itself but cowing other states into submission.
>you want to fuck Britain
>Do you really believe your island is all that interesting?
International relations isn't about what people "want" or whether something is "interesting".
Do you not comprehend that if a continental power had the capacity to invade Britain, Britain could be forced into losing a great deal of its freedom to act?
>>74685547
Correct.
They profited immensely from the two world wars, Britain at first accepted naval parity with the US, then during WW2 it became naval superiority. All states are eclipsed at some point.
>>74685646
I agree with this. The issue of the day is the millions of Africans, Middle Easterners, and Pakis flooding Europe. If we allow ourselves to relive old battles, real or not, we will hand victory to the Third World.
>>74686012
>ecause in your eyes it's not destroying, it's simply rebuilding it to your needs and desires.
That's exactly what your balance of power insanity is. All we want is a way to ensure our nation won't be diseased, hungry and used as a doormat by bellicose neighbors ever again.
>>74679051
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_(1939)
>>74685829
Literally how most revolutions are done.
>>74685842
Tsar was already gone by then. You are thinking of the wrong revolution.
>>74686152
>Germany's neighbours
>Invading anyone
Holy shit are you mentally ill
>>74686017
Why
You are ruled bu the same group of people.
There used to be a little struggle in the US a long time ago but bongs won that and eliminated any resistance there was.
Though calling "globalists" bongs, americans or whatever is kinda pointless as they don't associate or care about any country.
>>74686152
thatcher talking with bismarck
>>74686280
Page proves it was the German's fault.
>>74686152
>used as doormat by neighbors
by who? denmark and liechtenstein?
>>74685926
>Blaming the poles is like prosecuting a victim of murder.
aaaand the eternal victim again. As if you were invaded just for fun (maybe from the soviet side).
>mildly autistic poles who post a pages long responses
Maybe 2 poles on here who do that.... tops. And you might be one of them.
>Also, you outclassed us in butthurt by miles.
Yeah maybe that has something to do with "the winner writes the history books"... twice in a row and all these lies are fed to the general population for decades.
>Junior what? How did this partnership was supposed to look like? We give them land when they demand and in return we don't get inveded? xD That's some nigger logic right there.
You were offered a peace treaty against the commies. Your government was just retarded back then, sorry. Hitler was even the first to offer the full acknowledgement of the borders after WW1. Nobody in german under the weimar republic did that.
>which is by the way the product of BOTH Germany and America (the frankfurt school and a variety of american movements, from civil rights to feminism)
So not naming the jew is normal on /pol/ now?
>Yeah, good luck with that. At least your poor grasp of politics gives you the optimism, that's always a good thing to have in life.
He is technically right. Trump wants peace with putin, FN and AfD are paid by russia and have already expressed their pro russian desires. IF they get into power, we will play best buds with putin.
>>74678521
it's true. Poles love to whine and self-victimize like niggers but in truth they always got hit after starting shit
>>74686152
>All we want is a way to ensure our nation won't be diseased, hungry and used as a doormat by bellicose neighbors ever again.
That means absolute supremacy. I don't give a fuck if you think you will stop at some point, because you won't, no one ever fucking stops when they down this path. But it gets worse, because everyday and moment you will tell yourself you're doing the right thing, that you're the victim, that you need protection. It's fucking madness and will bring blind death and destruction like it has before to Europe.
Simply put you're fucking insane.
>>74686293
They're more belligerent and greedy than we ever were, and everybody here knows it's the truth. We are not the cause of these grievances, only a symptom.
>>74686478
'tldr faggot
>>74678659
>After? Bullshit
Wat?
>>74686535
You are literally the only person on this planet who thinks that's the truth lol
>>74686518
>because everyday and moment you will tell yourself you're doing the right thing, that you're the victim, that you need protection.
But that's the case. We're an island of reason in an ocean of madness. You don't know what it's like, you can just put a naval force between your people and the savages. We can't, we're right in the middle of this hell, and all we have to keep it at the gates is the strategy of deterrence.
>>74686287
So lenin and a bit of money is responsible? Ignoring the fact that trotsky came from the US (via canada) with hundreds of revolutionaries and with way more money from wallstreet than lenin had. Also the brits letting lenin, trotsky and stalin make their "socialist movement" plan in london because they were expelled by the tsar.... UK and US knew all about it, the dirty kikes. The one mostly responsible for sending lenin was the chief of intelligence in germany, max warburg (jew) whose brother (paul warburg) is basically the mastermind of the Federal reserve.
Massive kike plot.
>>74686701
Piss off. Given the chance, the vultures would realize pic related and hang us all, for no rational reason whatsoever. We have every right to keep them off.
>>74685926
Polan, it is almost the evening here and I like to be social with my fellow American mutts, so I'll have to technically concede the debate to you. Except on two points:
Hofer will likely win tomorrow. Our Austrian friends will have to give their opinion as I'm not fully aware of the situation. Indeed, I can tell you that Trump will be the next President, all things equal.
On the second point: You can argue that liberalism and Bolshevism are different things, because they were originally if we want to be very technical in terms of philosophy. But then if we want to correct each other in using shorthand/metonym, the current reigning philosophy is not liberalism/Frankfurt school. Rather, it is post-modern deconstructionism.
What remains is that a Trump-Putin-Hofer-AfD-FN bloc will force Warsaw to be a team player.
>>74686808
>We're an island of reason in an ocean of madness
In some ways I agree with you but the amount of paranoia you display would make Russians blush. You're right, our Island has given us a different experience.
>>74686835
Lenin's transfer and monetary expenses were approved of by German high command.
>another "Poland is the worst" thread
Yes we are, now fuck off
>>74686535
Your replies are evidence of what I've been saying all along.
GERMANIA DELENDA EST.
Your people and your politicians believe that you'll only be safe if everyone else is taking orders from Berlin.
Then you cry about how you have dangerous neighbours who are just itching to invade you, yet since 1871 it's always been YOUR nation marching into their countries.
Germany has defensible borders now, whatever the injustice of the Oder-Neisse, it is at least easy to defend.
You and your leaders need to stop attempting this hegemony - or else the next war you will be shorn of Brandenburg, Bayern usw as you were stripped of Ostpreussen, Elsass-Lothringen and the rest.
>>74687161
Thanks for your great input. You seem to have no clue at all except youtube knowledge or random webpages.
>>74686701
>You are literally the only person on this planet who thinks that's the truth lol
Mehmet is rolling on the floor laughing, yet another successful troll thread for him
>>74686361
It's the Jews, Poland, it always was the Jews. And they used your country as a pawn in an international chess game with Germany.
Why on earth do you think they went to war with the Germans over your country, but then made no effort to aid you? It's because they never intended to.
>>74686478
>As if you were invaded just for fun
No, we were invaded for the same langrabing scheme that germans have perpetuated toward us throught history. Drang nach Osten, does that tell you something?
>the eternal victim
Well, if you are the eternal criminal then it's obvious that someone has to be a victim. Unfortunately it's almost always us
>"the winner writes the history books"... twice in a row and all these lies are fed to the general population for decades
That's a convenient excuse for claiming any ahistorical bullshit without the need to check sources.
Besides, who are those winners you speak of? It's certainly not us, considering the shitload of literature that seems to be designed specifically to blame poles for holocaust
>You were offered a peace treaty against the commies
We were also offered a non agression pact, which we signed and which Hitler pissed on the second it was convenient for him. He also didn't have any objections to deal with the same commies he wanted to erase when it came to invading Poland. He seems like a rather dangerous ally.
>So not naming the jew is normal on /pol/ now?
I-It wasn't u-us, it's tha jews! Dindu nuffin!
>IF they get into power, we will play best buds with putin
You will dance to the tune that america plays, and that's that. You have to know your place. And if you think that Putin and USA are enemies right now then you are simply naive.
>>74687359
>Germany finances it
>Germany sends back the leader
>German high command approves of the plan
>Somehow not Germany's fault
>>74687180
>yet since 1871 it's always been YOUR nation marching into their countries.
It´s not our fault the other were so shitty that they couldn´t set one food on german soil in WW1.
Also you are one to talk about ones country marching into others while colonizing 1/4th of the planet kek.
>Your people and your politicians believe that you'll only be safe if everyone else is taking orders from Berlin.
I have never come accross this point of view, neither IRL nor in the thousands of pages of history books I´ve read.
>>74687520
*landgrabbing scheme
>>74687082
You wouldn't call it paranoia if there was a way for you to grasp the ridiculous dimensions the hatred we're exposed to. Just loko at posts like this: >>74687180
This guy is being a ridiculous cunt, no German has ever done him any wrong, and yet he thinks we should be wiped out as a culture, lose everything we've worked for, and worse. Why? Because we don't want to be the endlessly mishandled underdogs that our ancestors were. No other reason. There's no justice in this.
>>74678521
Germans have been trying to eradicated Poles since 18th century when Partitions started.
There were several uprisings before WW2 where Germans and German colonists fought Poles and died, so yes it is true.
Keep in mind that civilians in Poland were settlers bought and settled by Prussian and German government, often receiving money and property taken from Poles.
Also there was an apartheid like system in which Germans had more rights and privileges than Polish population that was discriminated.
>>74687447
Dw m8 I know there is a percentage of your nation worth saving
>>74687068
>the current reigning philosophy is not liberalism/Frankfurt school. Rather, it is post-modern deconstructionism
Yes, you're right, but it all follows.
>force Warsaw to be a team player
Warsaw is already playing in a team, the one that USA is the capitan of. What Warsaw wants is to change the way EU operates.
>>74683549
>what have you done with your conquered territories?
Well for starters we didn't start a world war against most of the world in which we trampled all alliances and got ourselves condemned by humanity WHILE losing 1/3 of the territory to people considered by our nationalists to be inferior.
>>74687699
Poles are not exactly an agreeable bunch, as this thread has evidenced.
