http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2016/05/21/venezuela-collapsing-and-military-just-got-involved
>Troops have been deployed around Venezuela’s capital of Caracas and in ‘every strategic region’ this weekend during the country’s largest ever military exercise.
>The government claims the exercises are in response to the threat of invasion from the United States, but the real reason for the government’s state of emergency declaration is likely much closer to home.
>For over a year now, Venezuelans have been suffering under an ever deepening economic and political crisis.
>Bare supermarket shelves are common. Vital medicines are in short supply. Crime is rising. Blackouts occur daily. To save electricity, the government asked public sector workers to only show up on Mondays and Tuesdays - and this could soon extend to private companies as well. All this in one of the largest oil producing nations on earth.
>Maduro has also made dangerously anti-democratic statements, telling foreign journalists that parliament has "lost political validity" and "it's a matter of time before it disappears."
>With the crisis only deepening, the role of the military may prove significant. With his militarized declaration of a national emergency, the 53-year-old president appears to believe the armed forces will be useful in holding power.
>According to Alexandra Ulmer for Reuters, the military controls roughly a third of ministerial posts, is regularly praised by President Maduro, and has been given control of an oil services company.
>The opposition also believes the army could be key. Reuters reported opposition leader Henrique Capriles as this week claiming he had "high-placed allies" in the army. “I want to tell the armed forces that the hour of truth is coming,” he said. “You must decide whether you're with the constitution, or Maduro.”
>>74677548
Capriles is an American shill, funded by the United States
>>74677548
>“You must decide whether you're with the constitution, or Maduro.”
>if you're not with me then you're my enemy
God that was edgy as fuck. Why are right wingers so cringe worthy?
Well, you know 100% what's going to happen baring a miracle this country is going to go full gulag best Korea mode.
Also now I'm a Cruzmissile
THAT ISNT PROOF ITS BAD ITS NOT REAL GOMMUNISM OK :DDD
I LERND IN SCHOOL ITS GOOD EVERYONE IS RICH :P
FKING CABITALISM LOL
>>74677834
WHOA HOL UP
DAT AINT REAL SOCLIZM
DAS AINT SHIET
>>74677548
This is why you don't base your economy around one export. The decline in the price of oil is killing them, and their retarded socialist government makes everything so much worse.
>>74677834
As if your political situation is any better, Brazil
>>74678001
At least they have food though.
>>74677929
kek
>>74677548
>The government claims the exercises are in response to the threat of invasion from the United States
Kek
How did they crash so hard so fast?
PLACE YOUR BETS! WHO WILL WIN?
http://www.strawpoll.me/10274163
http://www.strawpoll.me/10274163
http://www.strawpoll.me/10274163
hey fascist shitlordz it's true the cia sabotaged the socialist paradise with scanctions north korea vuvuzela and cuba were phosphorus until the cia sabotaged it!
>>74677777
oh shit
>>74678230
ra-ra-ra-rare?
VENEZUELAN CIVIL WAR WHEN
viva socialism!
>>74677777
>77777
Noice
But generally it's because authoritarians have, by nature, a limited degree of mental flexability. In short, they're kinda stupid
>>74678166
Maduro thought he could ride Chavez's coattails forever
floridafag here
Can you believe that the Venezuelans and Cubans here are majority for either Clinton or Bernie - a lot for Bernie?
>>74677777
>God that was edgy as fuck. Why are right wingers so cringe worthy?
>Maduro
>A right winger
Why do leftists refuse to get an education? Feel free to educate yourself on the subjects you post on, thumbdick.
>>74677777
>supporting Venezuelan constitution
>right wing
Nigga pls.
Just because he's an enemy to the commie in charge doesn't mean he's right wing.
>>74678311
>being this much of a fucking disgusting nigger faggot nigger cuckold nigger nigger cuck homo faggot bastard newfag
>>74677548
I am by no means a socialist, but the real reason Venezuela is like it is, is because the white Spaniards that ran the country have basically thrown their hands up and handed it back to the Indians. I expect the country to go back to doing human sacrifices within the next 50 years.
A nice look at the future of the US actually, if nothing changes.
>>74677548
Thats what will happen with countries which economy is based on oil import
EQUALITY xD
>>74678529
Export you mean
>>74678426
>parliament has "lost political validity" and "it's a matter of time before it disappears."
>Not a right winger
Just deal with the fact that your half of the political spectrum includes fascists. There's no shame in it, it's just a fact
>>74677548
Fuck yes. At this rate communist death squads and full scale genocide are only weeks away.
FUCKING SOCIALISM GUYS. It always comes though with the body count.
redpill me on why spics love socialism so much? something in the hot sauce?
>>74678205
>WHO WILL WIN?
The side with the most & biggest guns.
>>74677548
IV'E BECOME SO NUMB
>>74678607
Huh I guess some people would come on the internet and tell lies.
>>74677548
Look at all that free stuff! Free products for the proletariat! Long live Socialism and Communism!
>>74678166
They're following crude prices down the drain.
>>74678651
Che fucked a lot of hot bitches. Other guys pretended to like socialism to fuck those same bitches.
Then the memes consumed them.
>>74678166
Oil prices crashed. That's literally their entire economy.
>>74678607
Maduro, the guy who said that, is a Socialist.
>>74678663
I thought that as well so I went with Maduro because I think the army is going to turn out to be loyal to the Socialists.
>>74678607
What does that have to do with being right wing? Leftists can have dictators too.
>tfw communism is dying even in SA
>>74678754
So not really a socialism problem
>>74678651
decades of right-wing dictatorships everywhere
>>74677548
Yet they tried to do the same here and on Argentina. At least we throw away the red scum.
Nonetheless former president dilma left a hole of 100 billion here
>>74678607
The guy is openly a Socialist. You might want to get your money back on that community college you went to.
>>74677777
checked and
lol socialism not even once
>>74678166
When communism fails it fails fast and hard.
>>74677548
>BUT SOCIALISM CAN WORK!
>>74678775
Socialism = fascism
Alright buddy
>>74678775
That should be interesting to see if the army stays loyal. You need to at least keep the army and their families fed and happy to avoid a coup. Seeing that their oil industry is the only lifeline and decaying, my guess is he won't.
>>74678055
/THREAD
>>74678856
But it is a socialism problem because they nationalized the means of oil production. If the oil was privately owned this wouldn't be a problem.
>>74678001
Hey man at least he had the balls to overthrow the red government here.
Stay mad with Hillary amerianon
>>74678607
The extremity of the left is strong government.
The extremity of the right is anarchy.
'Right winger' doesn't mean 'power hungry asshole' like Facebook wants you to believe.
Daily reminder that capriles is a Jew
>>74678480
A lot of them have left Venezuela, the ones left are called the right-wing death squads
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJY2S_brQbQ
Venezuela was supposed to be a stable and prosperous American colony, something even Saudi Arabia could achieve. But I guess that shows the flaws of democracy -- the people will vote for gibs and throw away everything.
>>74678978
The thing is that Chavez was from the army as well and it is filled with his buddies. I cannot see them defecting.
>>74678977
What are you trying to say?
So what does this have to do with socialism? Their economy crashes because it wasn't diversified
>>74678978
He's going to give them free reign to break into people's houses and steal every morsel of food they have. No TP, unfortunately.
>>74678856
The oil economy is nationalized and owned by the government. It absolutely is their fault. Chavez was able to deliver socialized policies like healthcare or whatever, but that was based off the record high oil prices in the early 2000s. It is a completely unsustainable model, and it looks like we are finally seeing the crash.
>>74678205
>http://www.strawpoll.me/10274163
Nobody wins in something like this.
>They said the Shemitah didn't happen kekekek
>>74678880
>implying you weren't better off back then
Socialism & Communism will only work with very small, completely white, non corrupt societies.
>>74679103
>government mismanages their centralized, planned ecomony
>lol what does this have to do with socialism
>>74679377
Socialism will never work. Stop trying to push it.
>>74679103
>introduce socialism
>country crumbles
>this happens x100
>it wasn't really socialism guys! it was this! socialism's great! it just has to be done THIS way!
Socialism is a mess.
>>74678480
>http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2016/05/21/venezuela-collapsing-and-military-just-got-involved
Are they going to go back to fathers getting their daughters' prima noctis?
>>74678576
oh yes i did
>>74679103
Because the entire oil industry was nationalised and the gov could seize private land on a whim to use it 'for the people'.
That's not a very good climate for investors.
The only good thing to come out of Venezuela is the Torre David.
>>74677548
Great. It's about time for Venezuela to remove all capital controls in exchange for a loan from the IMF. That way, the chosen few can come in, buy up all the country's distressed assets and enslave the Venezuelan people. I guess socialist nationalism is done. It's time for zio-feudalism!
Problem is it's not socialist enough. There are capitalist elements in society still, undermining the people. Once these are gotten rid of, prosperity will return of course.
>>74679040
>>74679045
Majority of key technical person of oil industry already left.
Maduro actually don't fuck know how baic economy works so he keeps printing money and don't understand why there are no goods.
Meanwhile daily ocuppstion of private industry because they aren't producing enough. There aren't any supplies, maduro basically destroyed the entire economy, even productive farms were taken by the state just to turn barren soil.
It's communism state of art.
>>74679377
>BUT SOCIALISM CAN WORK!
>>74678166
Left wing economics
>>74677548
HELLO MIGUEL
MIGUEL
SI
WE GOT BROBLEM HERE
>>74678529
There are many countries that have an economy based on oil exports that didn't implode like this. It has FAAAAar more to do with demographics, especially in leadership. Their leadership is basically sub 100 IQ now.
>>74678651
I think spic countries seem to flip back and forth between radical socialism and radical right-wing dictators. I dunno if they will ever find a balance.
>The government claims the exercises are in response to the threat of invasion from the United States
What?
>>74678618
It's because Socialism is about putting economic authority into fewer and fewer hands and the brains controlling those hands simply do not have the brain power to live everyone's lives for everyone. So they lock the price of one thing in place without being able to calculate all the damages that causes by chain reaction. Before long the whole economy is a fantasy and no one can price anything appropriately. They want something for nothing; that quickly means slavery and revolution.
>>74677548
>Europe all socialist democracies. highest standard of living on earth.
>hey guys look at this one third world country that is also socialist! This proves it doesn't work!
>>74679103
Their economy was already crashing in 2012 with high oil prices. Chavez's nationalized industries are now producing at one third of their capacity.
Oil was 76% of exports in 1999 and now it's 96%.
>>74678684
This is what Salon readers actually believe
that, and they believe in pedo rights next
>>74678754
If the oil production was a handful of private companies they would have been producing oil for cheaper because of the competition.
Unfortunately the oil production was a socialist government monopoly and as long as the oil prices were high enough-- why waste effort making the production cheaper?
Given they would still have had production grind to a halt at some point. Canada private companies have been slowing and stopping production as of late. However it wouldn't have been as devastating as they could have competed on the national market for longer.
Blame the Bernie minded and OPEC
>>74677548
Your country is going to be FULL of Venezuelan refugees. It's going to be sooo progressive.
>>74679607
haha
>>74679681
social market economy !== socialism
>>74679377
IT JUST NEEDS ANOTHER CHANCE GUYS
ITS THE IDEOLOGY THATS NEVER BEEN TRIED
>>74679449
>Socialism is a mess.
Explain Europe.
>>74678977
>Socialism = fascism
Get a look at this uneducated faggot.
A fascists can be right or left wing. This fascist is a socialist. Sorry that you were born with an IQ of 47 and listened to too much Rage Against the Machine. However, that doesn't change what words mean.
>>74677834
>>74677929
wat r u telling me?
>>74679377
no, because under Socialism those white people will not have the proper motivation to breed at replacement to support themselves in old age, and so eventually population will collapse or the uncultured and uneducated will be imported.
>>74679681
Europe has welfare states, not Socialism.
>>74677548
I hope they make it
surely this is US related somehow, putting pressure on them starving them out so they can get another puppet in there (if current is not already one not informed about current state)
>>74679572
>maduro actually claims he talks to deceased Chavez as a bird
> maduro slept several times on Chavez tomb
Yes he is pretty mad he probably believe he need to keep destructing any remnant of private property to ensure heaven on earth
>>74679681
Oh yes paying 70% of my income to the state just to get 'free' healthcare is such a great standard of living.
Sure feels great to not have any rights either.
How putting in charge a literal shill gonna help them if their problems stem from low oil prices?
Explain it to me.
>>74679681
>Europe all socialist democracies
False. Many European countries actually have higher market freedom indexes than the US.
>>74679750
Oh I don't disagree at all. I'm just saying the main reason why they went under so fast was because oil prices plummeted. Otherwise they could have stayed afloat longer.
>>74679753
Argentina is in the other end of S. America, they're going to receive very few.
If anything its Colombia that is going to be full, the ones coming here will end up in Roraima which is empty rainforest anyway.
>>74679797
Wait for it... It's coming.
>>74679933
Because they need to diversify their economy and return to rule of law. That will not happen under Socialism.
>>74678906
>implying marina silva won't win next elections
>>74679449
not in your country it isn't, which is the biggest socialist shithole on this planet
quit lying to yourselves americans.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3P2h2sJ5qnY
Communism works guys
>>74679635
Right-wing dictators are supported by the US to maintain stability and protect American interests and assets. They're such corrupt assholes that they inflame the most radical left-wing revolutionary fervor. If the radicals can depose a dictator, then they take over and run the country incompetently, necessitating another US-backed coup.
It's a vicious cycle.
>>74680001
God help us
>>74679753
The white upper class qts are already here. Those are alright desu senpai.
https://youtu.be/OpbQyjwRtXw
>>74680021
Right? 35% corporate tax!
>>74677777
>74677777
That's a rare bird...
>>74680001
>marina silva
>>74679040
so what you're saying is that everyone's oil supplies should be nationalized
>>74677548
>threat of invasion from the United States
>>74678055
It is. There's no food neither medication shortage. We impeached that bitch because of that. We didn't want to go Full Maduro.
>>74677777
Waste of good quints, anyways saying that shit isn't cringey when you actually have a fucking army to back it up.
>>74678856
central planing should have diversified while they had oil cash but they didn't
>>74678385
>74678385
They deserve every single bit of that bitch Maduro then.
>>74680231
It is just an excuse, he wants them there to stop any potential revolution happening.
>>74677777
The Chosen One
>>74677548
The Venezuelans got what they voted for - Socialism, and as usual starvation, authoritarianism and socialism are never far apart
>>74678529
That's what happens when you have a Stalin wannabe in charge.
>>74679970
>>74680021
>>74679953
Muh market indexes, muh diversification.
Please guys. You are dealing with an Indian population that is too dumb to do things like stand in lines for medication. No amount of economic diversification or rule of law will save them. They are going to devolve back to the life style that their average IQ allows them to operate at.
Turns out that not every human population can create a first world civilization regardless of the economic policies. Who would have thought?
>>74680231
I doubt we'll end up invading, I'm pretty sure Shillary will try to make Venezuela a new source of "refugees" though.
>>74679681
You ever lived in a Nordic country? How about Denmark since all you Bernouts praise it so much? No? Didn't think so, cause in reality it's fucking shit, ya daft cunt.
>>74680001
>not serra
All he needs is the economy to recover and he'll sell himself as the continuity of said recovery.
>>74679103
and it didn't diversify becase of socialism you retard
>>74679920
Free healthcare is the best. Nothing better than playing with the rats and cockroaches while in line waiting for them to revive your mother.
>>74678385
2nd and 4rd generation as well as ricans that can walk out of a corrupt in debt shit hole to the USA with no issues. Those are the people who think capitalism now. Venezuelan born people hate commies. I know I'm dating one lol.
t. Florida fag
>>74680367
Who said anything about first world greatness? I agree that they are likely stupid, but under a relatively free capitalist market system, the average person would be better off in the long run.
>>74678651
Most of them can only under socialism a full blown right wing military junta or no government with any power at all (I look at Bolivia and Paraguay).
They never had a moderate government or it's just about 10 years old and still at risk to collapse or get BTFO any day.
Why isn't the Middle East hit as bad by the oil prices? Just because the Saudis have so much money from before it doesn't matter?
>>74680420
>Implying based Bolsonaro won't drive his fucking Maverick by the Planalto ramp
>>74678385
Cubans used to be for the almost completely Republican-- that is, until the GOP made it clear to them that Latinos are not wanted.
>>74677548
But did they go full Zimbabwe? I think not.
>>74680489
"Oh, you got cancer? Well, we have this new therapy that's quite effective and ... oh, you are on national insurance. Here's a chemical cocktail that'll most likely melt you from the inside, but why should I care. Make an appointment, next open spot is in three month."
Free Healthcare.
>>74677548
But Sean Penn told everyone Venezuela was paradise?
>>74680644
Saudis have a trillion dollar reserve fund. They also put in a sales tax which is expected to make up their shortfall in revenue.
>>74678684
>salon
Are the editors in some sort of fucked up version of ground hog day, is April fools day everyday to them or what!?
>>74677548
Kek maduro means ballsackman here
>>74680644
>Just because the Saudis have so much money from before it doesn't matter?
Yes that's literally the only reason. They had a lot of extra cash stashed up. Deficits are climbing though.
>>74680654
Too extreme for the majority of the population. Try again once the Second Great Depression hits and we reach 40% unemployment.
>>74679721
Uh... dude, a few years ago, this was a true story. Venezuela was prosperous when their strongman was alive and oil prices were riding high.
>>74680644
Because the Middle East can produce a fuckshittington of high quality oil. As far as I know Venezuelan oil is pretty low quality and they even import oil from the Middle East to mix it.
Anyways is not like the Middle East isn't feeling it.
>>74680362
Guy doesnt go around killing his own people
Wait there's no electricity in Venezuela? How is that possible?
I'm pretty sure this is planned fall out from the price of oil crashing which is the intended result of the Saudi crashing the price of oil as another boon to US foreign policy goals in the region.
>>74680849
>Venezuela was prosperous
lol
>>74680781
Well, then, it's a good thing that only Bulgarians speak Bulgarian, huh?
In Spanish, Maduro means "mature," which is what you're not.
>>74680953
They do have shortages. Could be because they are running out of fuel, the workers can't be paid and are told to go home or the infrastructure is crumbling.
>>74679966
Any country that isn't Venezuela, Peru, or Bolivia is going to be swarming with Zergling Venezuelan refugees.
>>74681037
excellent rebuttal there, guy.
>>74680953
I always tell the lefties to spend their vacation in Caracas. It usually shuts them up.
>>74680877
>Guy doesnt go around killing his own people
>HAHA
http://runrun.es/nacional/187031/28-de-los-44-muertos-en-protestas-de-2014-recibieron-disparos.html
http://latincorrespondent.com/2016/01/venezuela-violence-hits-record-levels-in-2015-colombia-murders-lowest-in-20-years/
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/26/americas/venezuela-opposition-politician-killed/
http://www.infobae.com/2015/02/12/1626403-uno-uno-estos-son-los-43-muertos-las-protestas-contra-el-regimen-maduro-venezuela
>WE HAVE TO NATIONALIZE STRATEGIC INDUSTRIES
>WE CAN ALWAYS PRINT MORE MONEY
>WE CAN TAX AS WE WANT, UR LIFE IS MINE
shit happens, blame eeuu, capitalism and the jew
>>74681085
Dunno. Colombia is probably gonna send their army to spread over the Eastern border like Hands Across America.
It'll be like the world's biggest game of Buck-Buck
https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Venezuela%20hoarding&src=savs
the capitalist are trying to take down the government.
I wonder if this would happen in the us if sanders won
>>74680958
Saudi Arabia was trying to do this to fuck over US frackers.
>>74681130
>Wages in Venezuela increased to 1881.49 VEF/Month in 2010 from 1478.46 VEF/Month in 2009.
>1881.49 VEF is about 189 USD
>prosperous
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/venezuela/wages
MAGA
>Venezuela’s product shortages have become so severe that some hotels in that country are asking guests to bring their own toilet paper and soap, a local tourism industry spokesman said on Wednesday.
>“It’s an extreme situation,” says Xinia Camacho, owner of a 20-room boutique hotel in the foothills of the Sierra Nevada national park. “For over a year we haven’t had toilet paper, soap, any kind of milk, coffee or sugar. So we have to tell our guests to come prepared.”
>Montilla says bigger hotels can circumvent product shortages by buying toilet paper and other basic supplies from black market smugglers who charge up to 6-times the regular price. But smaller, family-run hotels can’t always afford to pay such steep prices, which means that sometimes they have to make do without.
>Camacho says she refuses to buy toilet paper from the black market on principle.
>“In the black market you have to pay 110 bolivares [$0.50] for a roll of toilet paper that usually costs 17 bolivares [$ 0.08] in the supermarket,” Camacho told Fusion. “We don’t want to participate in the corruption of the black market, and I don’t have four hours a day to line up for toilet paper” at a supermarket.
>As a result, Camacho said she’s been asking her guests to bring their own toilet paper since December.
>But now even that is getting difficult.
>Recently, Venezuelan officials have been stopping people from transporting essential goods across the country in an effort to stem the flow of contraband. So now Camacho’s guests could potentially have their toilet paper confiscated before they even make it to the hotel. “It’s an absurd situation,” the hotel owner said.
Thank you socialism
http://fusion.net/story/113448/venezuelan-hotels-are-asking-tourists-to-bring-their-own-toilet-paper/
This is actual socialism.
>>74681452
>toilet paper smugglers
Fuck those shitskins.They need to starve and die.Fucking savages.
>>74681333
I think the most exciting part about socialism is the point where people who are trying to stash goods to not starve and the government sends its goons to fuck up anyone who has anything as "hoarders."
Make Facebook Great Again!
>>74681339
Some people think that the US coordinated with Saudi Arabia to crash the market to hurt Russia. I have no idea how legitimate that is. What is fucked up is that small business frackers are going under and getting bought out by big companies since they don't have the cash to stay afloat.
>>74680705
Yeah, shame about that.
Who will they vote for, Hillary?
>>74678166
They ran out of other peoples money to spend.
>>74677548
>>74681333
they find one or two of these warehouses every month
http://www.telesurtv.net/english/multimedia/Massive-Stockpile-of-Hoarded-Goods-Uncovered-in-Venezuela-20150113-0031.html
>>74677548
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RC8GILfxSwY
>literally eating from the trash
socialism ho!
>>74681636
I think its more likely that Saudi Arabia has a will of its own and is trying to teach both US, Russia, and people in general a lesson. Remember they were warning us there'd be consequences for not invading Syria, for trying to take steps towards declassifying what happened in 9/11, etc.
If Maduro goes down the army goes down too. Chavez and Maduro have been using the Venezuelan military to traffic drugs and suppress opposition for many years. Convincing the military to throw Maduro under the bus in exchange for amnesty would be a decisive move for the enemies of the PSUV.
I talked with a guy from Venezuela about a year ago and told him this was coming. There will be a military coup as sure as the sun rises and as sure as socialism fails.
It's either military coup or the country becomes a failed state.
>~15USD is the minimum wage in Venezuela
>Highest quality hookers literally charge you 1000BsF, which is less than a dolar on the black market currency exhange
Maduro's socialism will most likely have a bloody ending
How the fuck does "toilet paper smuggling" works? Can a venezuelafag clear this out?
Do the government close the roads and check cars for illicit toilet paper? Is that how they waste money?
Is socialism so retarded they won't even allow people to clean their own asses?
>>74681784
>>74681709
>>74681621
Why are you spamming this shit? Trying to stir shit up? Fuck off.
>>74678607
>not having fascists on your wing
Get a load of this faggot.
The worst part about this shit is seeing all the redditors refusing to connect this with socialism and saying that the problem is really "elites" acting "authoritarian" so they can spin it into a way to blame right-wingedness for the complete catastrophic economic collapse. then they continue to support Socialism in the next breath.
>>74680499
As a Rican I have my experience with socialism and it fucking sucks. Socialized medicine means waiting months for a specialist. Everything is expensive as fuck and taxes everywhere.
But Venezuela is much more socialist so it's much, much worse.
>>74680953
Hydroelectric power plants. They didn't build any oil plants, in all their environmental wisdom, but they don't appear to have solar/wind either.
The whole continent is suffering from a severe drought. Not a problem if you have nuclear power, oil power, coal power, petrol jelly, but Venezuela has none of those. Their national power grid is entirely dependent on the water level and right now, there's no water.
Hilarious.
>>74678651
Low IQ and lazy
>>74677548
Somebody left the carton of corn nog
>>74678607
He believes all political viewpoints exsist on a line where nazismisthe exatpolar opposite of Stalinism
>>74677548
A thread about Venezuela without people from that country. I've heard the telephone lines were cut, perhaps that means no Internet either.
Can anyone tell me how dangerous the situation is? I've friends in Caracas and I'm worried.
>>74682039
>Do the government close the roads and check cars for illicit toilet paper? Is that how they waste money?
That's what they do. Same with Milk Powder and other goods.
>>74682129
wait, a sweatshop country bitching about socialism?
well, you're almost american aren't you?
>>74679753
> mfw
>>74679797
It's a fucking mess
>>74682126
>be me, in highschool few years back
>stupid whore asks history teacher why don't they just print more money
>teacher says she should know this by now
>"it's really simple, even children know this"
>spends half his time defending Venezuela and other shits
Lefties are retarded.
>>74682039
The government forces private companies to sell goods at fixed artificial prices, lower than what it actually costs to produce and ship the goods.
Since companies don't want to produce or sell stuff at a loss, they'd rather not produce or hoard it. Government gets angry about this, nationalizes companies. Nationalized companies still see toilet paper stolen and sold across the Colombian border at 2000% the price.
Socialist stupidity in a nutshell.
>>74679797
We have 'social democracy' not Socialism.
Despise that we still rely on the US to pay for our defence so that we can have dem programs.
Now explain Chilie, 3rd highest living standard in the Americas because Pinochet threw out all the ladies and brought in Milton Friedman. And they don't even have oil.
>>74682234
Probably all on Twitter complaining about the results of what they did to their country and asking for gas mask making instructions like usual
>>74682234
It would appear this is the calm before the storm
>>74682438
*Lefties, not women.
Is there a possibility of a coup d'etat by a right-wing military junta, which then privatizes industry and turns venezuela into a free market paradise?
Chile 2.0 when?
the reason latin american countries vote for socialism is because everything has been privatized years ago
so it doesn't matter how they vote, their leaders have no power to do anything
>>74682307
We are American.
Also, this place isn't that much more socialist than the US itself. All the taxation that guy's bitching about is mostly due to debnts.
>>74682532
Coup maybe, right wingers probably not.
>>74682234
According to a Venezuelan contact from /trv/:
>Imagine 1980 NYC, quadruple it and give retards big guns
>he's a MD and used to get held at gunpoint to treat patients or armed gangs looting the hospital for med supplies, food, literally anything...
So I would say it's pretty safe to go there kek.
>>74678856
Yes it is. When you're taking money from the wealthy and their income stops, you have an issue like this and that's why it never works. The wealthy leave the country or avoid taxes and the upper middle class to poor live in extreme poverty.
>>74682555
isn't puerto rico in the process of becoming the 51 state?
>>74682438
Bless Chile. They even have fun little playgrounds in tsunami hazard zones. No shits given.
We need to distribute copies of this song throughout Caracas:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhrYY3ocQ5o
>>74682532
It would be very unwise to do so. If the officers carrying out the coup had any sense they'd oust Maduro and the Supreme Court, then cede authority to the National Assembly.
>>74682532
> right wingers
> Venezuela
lol no
>>74682684
Nah, never have been. People here can't make up their damn minds.
>>74677548
Remember when this revolution happened and every leftist In the west praised it and how awesome it was going to be and now they are all silent and or yelling "muh not real gommunism"
>>74682684
I sure hope not
that would screw the republicans in the senate
>>74682713
except he has 84% support from the ppl
remember what happen to chavaz?
>>74682684
>get all dem US benefits
>but don't become a state
I fucking hate this shit.
>>74682438
>3rd
Second, actually.
They were Peru-tier in the 1970s.
It's nothing short of an economic miracle.
SHIT. I already can see the venezuelan refugees coming to Brazil.
>>74682874
We don't have all the benefits of being a state.
>>74682836
This place would be a swing state.
>>74682844
Eh?
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-maduro-idUSKCN0QI25Y20150813
>>74682813
well they are right
Gommies expropiate the factories and do a half-assed job trying to keep them running
Chavists expropiate the factories and let them to rot
>>74677548
right
because programs like Roosevelt's New Deal is a totally Chavez style wannabe dictatorship in the making
>>74682906
thats like running from one burning house and then going into a different one
>>74678856
You dense motherfucker.
Saying it due to oil prices instead of socialism is like saying HIV doesn't kill people, the opportunistic fungal infections do. But the whole reason they get those infections is because the HIV killed their immune systems.
Likewise, a command economy can't handle the fluctuations that occur in a market, and fail for this reason. The reason low oil prices crippled venezuela are the same basic reasons why people in the USSR starved waiting in breadlines while warehouses of excess boots keep receiving product.
Plenty of other places have oil as a main industry, and you don't see any of them turning into Mad Max failed states.
>>74682967
>reuters
they've sold their sole
if they ever had one
>>74682953
> muh conservative spic
as a fellow spic I am sadly aware that is not true
we may hate faggots and mudslimes, but we love the nanny state far more
>>74677777
Both sides in the Venezuelan political struggle are leftist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Socialist_Party_of_Venezuela
>The United Socialist Party of Venezuela (Spanish: Partido Socialista Unido de Venezuela, PSUV) is a socialist political party in Venezuela which resulted from the fusion of some of the political and social forces that support the Bolivarian Revolution led by the late President Hugo Chávez.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Action_%28Venezuela%29
>AD is a member of the Socialist International
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice_First
>During its party Congress, called "Resteados con la Justicia Social," held on 13 October 2007, Justice First declared itself to be a "humanist-progressive" party, with political action focused on human being and aligned with integral humanism.
>On March 2009, the party's national coordinator Julio Borges said, "the Venezuela live a state capitalism, not a socialism".[8] The party's economic position is so-called "properties democratization," similar to a social market economy. In the 2012 presidential election, Henrique Capriles described himself as humanist and progressive.
I feel no sympathy for Venezuelans.
>>74677548
You know what I find funny about all of this?
The black market, an off-the-books, unofficial network of thugs still performs much better than the economy of the host country itself.
Venezuela needs capitalism NOW, lower the taxes and lure all kinds of businesses and investors in.
>>74683040
We have an economic crisis going own, but our country is far from total collapse. But refugees might just make it worse.
>>74683155
here's a thought:
maybe the 1% in Venezuela should share power with the rest of the populace
then there wouldn't be a struggle
>>74683034
unless you are expecting WW-3 to destroy Europe and Japan again, how are you going to compete in the modern neoliberal economy by rising taxes and wage hikes?
>>74683067
you don't know what you're talking about
>>74683213
It's already hard to avoid favelados, if they actually come I expect everywhere to turn into favelas.
>>74683229
the 1% already fled the country long ago, thats why its collapsing
>>74683302
Not an argument.
>>74682552
Yes, and they nationalize industry and fuck everything up.
>>74677777
>inb4 quints not dubs
>>74683311
>tfw living in city with 0 favelas
>>74683229
> sharing power
How does giving more power to negroes fix a systemic economic problem?
>>74683174
colombians pay world prices like canada
how do smugglers sell gas cheaper then venezuela
I just wish Chavez was around for this to blame it on America.
>>74683276
what does that have to do with OP making bullshit comparisons?
>>74683366
you're just making shit up
you probably don't even know where it is
>>74678856
Venezuela used to have an economy besides oil production before Chavez and his retarded policies* ruined it and made the country even more dependent on oil.
*For example, the Venezuelan government created state-run supermarkets to sell subsidized foods for poor people. As a result, producers didn't profit because the government bought from them for less than what the cost of production was. The government then expropriated these producers for being "counter-revolutionary" and assumed production itself.
At the time, all leftist intellectuals and artists in Latin America supported these policies, now that it failed they pretend they don't have anything to do with it.
>>74683361
no not really
the rich very much still control the money there
>>74683455
so you just want a permanent peasant class?
>>74683229
Right now, the socialist leaders are the 1%, because they've nationalized almost everything.
>>74679377
And even then these societies would work even better under capitalism.
>>74683013
The definition of socialism is the means of production are collectively owned
Either through coop or by proxy of the State
The failings of either one doesn't .Ake it not Socialist it just makes them fucking failures.
>>74683600
>750% inflation
what money you dumb fuck??
>>74683556
Venezuela is the result of Bernie's ideas applied while expecting no economic stress whatsoever will ever happen
Unless all your competitors are crippled somehow, economic stress is unavoidable
>>74679607
kek
>>74683567
>leftist intellectuals and artists in Latin America
>leftist intellectuals
>Latin American intellectuals
>>74683567
In Germany many social democrats and socialists supported the "Socialism of the 21st Century" in the 2000s. Some even went to Venezuela.
Today they can't remember anything.
Leftists, everywhere the same shit.
>>74683641
> permanent
The best case scenario always leads to eugenic mass sterilization
>>74678663
B-but Maduro confiscated all the guns!
>>74683761
>Venezuela is the result of Bernie's ideas applied
nope
>>74683809
actually it's going to lead to mass execution of the $$$ class but you knew that
>>74683428
oil and food because there is so much fraud/theft
