California is about to pass some of the most ANTI GUN laws ever.
>background checks for ammo
>felony if you let your friend shoot your gun
>80% lowers illegal
>all semi auto rifles with detachable magazines are illegal
>bullet button banned
tl;dr
California turned the RUGER 10/22 into an assault rifle.
http://m.townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2016/05/20/california-gun-control-measures-pretty-much-bans-rifles-imposes-background-checks-on-ammunition-n2166005
>>74668633
>a bunch of unenforceable laws
good. the more people break the law, the less they respect the government. after a certain point, the government loses legitimacy entirely
>>74668852
It's not good. It basically makes it impossible to go to the range now and you can't buy ammo online either.
Now that they have an AMMO REGISTRY, door to door gun confiscation seems only a few months ahead
>>74668633
Good. The thing about massive overreach and banning of common weapons is that it practically begs for a challenge.
>>74669106
I hole-hardedly agree, but allow me to play doubles advocate here for a moment. For all intensive purposes I think you are wrong. In an age where false morals are a diamond dozen, true virtues are a blessing in the skies. We often put our false morality on a petal stool like a bunch of pre-Madonnas, but you all seem to be taking something very valuable for granite. So I ask of you to mustard up all the strength you can because it is a doggy dog world out there. Although there is some merit to what you are saying it seems like you have a huge ship on your shoulder. In your argument you seem to throw everything in but the kids Nsync, and even though you are having a feel day with this I am here to bring you back into reality. I have a sick sense when it comes to these types of things. It is almost spooky, because I cannot turn a blonde eye to these glaring flaws in your rhetoric. I have zero taller ants when it comes to people spouting out hate in the name of moral righteousness. You just need to remember what comes around is all around, and when supply and command fails you will be the first to go. Make my words, when you get down to brass stacks it doesn't take rocket appliances to get two birds stoned at once. It's clear who makes the pants in this relationship, and sometimes you just have to swallow your prize and accept the facts. You might have to come to this conclusion through denial and error but I swear on my mother's mating name that when you put the petal to the medal you will pass with flying carpets like it’s a peach of cake.
>>74669106
Good.
Next all you need is door to door removal of the communists and Jews and you're all set.
If Cuckifornians allow this to happen without spilling blood you deserve the Government you get.
>>74668633
And they'll still have one of the highest crime rates in the country. Liberals never learn.
I never thought I would actually move to another state based on gun laws.
Jerry brown has vetoed some extreme gun control bills before. I expect him to do the same or it will go to court no doubt
>>74669246
Do you want to know how I know you are a fucking moron?
>doggy dog world
Didn't even bother reading the rest because you obviously rode the short bus to school.
>Not even realizing "doggy dog world" makes no sense and just going along with it because it's a phrase people use
>Not realizing it's "dog eat dog world"
>>74669246
This is a pretty impressive pasta
>>74669673
God...I can't tell if you're pretending to be retarted or actually retarted.
>>74669377
Youre welcome to stay in AZ but remember no ficki ficki or you will be shoti shoti
>>74669377
Welcome to Nu-America comrade.
>>74669673
it's a goy eat goy world out there goy.
>>74669251
>>74669135
>>74668852
I smell shills.
there are no assault rifles
>>74668633
tfw commiefornians will never have any thing like this
>>74670111
describe the odor in detail.
>>74668633
MY FUCKING RUGER IS NOT AN ASSAULT RIFLE YOU LIBERAL KEKS
>>74669968
>no ficki ficki or you will be shoti shoti
Sounds like my kind of a state.
>>74670111
Nah, you smell a guy who lived through Chicago complete handgun ban and universal registration. Because of Democratic overreach we now have no ban, shall issue carry, preemption of local handgun ordinance, an unenforced assault weapon ban, and no more registration. In six yeah.
>>74670195
Auschwitz
>all semi autos with detachable mags are illegal
so what are they gonna do, mandatory buyback programs or something? better rev up them boating accidents calibros.
>>74670187
An AR?
I have 3
>>74670187
as a californian, i understand the appeal of handguns for personal defense or hunting rifles for hunting but why would i never that except to look cool
how are /k/fags feeling about this?
>>74670419
If they catch you with one you'll be charged with a felony.
That means no more range day and you better hope cops never search your house for whatever reason
>>74670421
cool story bro, wanna go to >>>/k/ and talk about them?
Go and target them, then.
>>74670514
Speak like a human being you fucking ape
>>74670559
>if they catch you with one you'll be charged with a felony
It was a felony to carry in Chicago until last year. I've done it for a decade. You'd be amazed what you can get away with if you're white, not involved in drugs/gangs, and not an idiot.
>>74670566
Wow you sure are rustled friend. It's cool tho, I'll stick around. By the way here is some nice reading material for educational purposes.
>>74670601
thanks for providing me substantial information. youve sure answered my question
>>74670419
You will have to register them as assault weapons
>>74670643
You had a CCW?
>>74670810
how much will that run you?
>>74670526
well i got a funny story, a few years ago i had made a thread on there abot the NY SAFE act compliant guns and taunted them about how cucked jew yorkers were, and i got BANNED, AND in the ban message the mod said: dont ever post that sorry excuse of a gun here ever again. so yeah, he was hella mad.
>>74670810
Or what? If a gun hasn't been registered before how do they know if you haven't registered it?
>>74670740
>need
It wasn't a question, it was the ramblings of a mentally ill simian
>>74670843
You couldn't get one until last year.
>>74670870
Its cheap but they wont allow you to register any more after the cutoff date.
Also registered assault weapons have laws related to their transport and storage. Also they can never be transferred to anybody. When you die they cant even be passed down. They have to be destroyed.
>>74668633
>felony if you let your friend shoot your gun
This is absolutely sensible.
>>74670733
>implying i am rustled
>not getting the joke in my post
>>74670948
They give you paperwork for your spooky scary assault weapon that you must always keep with the gun.
>>74670895
Remember that time the NY banker jews got issued CCWs because they felt like they were in danger.
Those must have been the stupid ones.
>>74670988
They can't stop you from transferring them out of state.
>>74670870
It can be thousands
>>74670948
If you're referring to a unserializedgun, then just hide it.
>>74671077
Exactly
>>74671023
Right, but what I'm saying is this: if you don't register them, how will the State ever know? Yeah yeah, "if you don't register its a FELONY!" but thats a scare tactic, how will they know to charge you? How will they discover a violation? What happens if someone decides to just not register and wait it out until the smoke has cleared?
>>74670967
As expected, ive learned nothing from this exchange. Perhaps people would be more sympathetic to your endeavors if you actually explained what about an ar makes it so important to have, but alas, just as the militant feminist, you only manage to alienate your opposition
>>74670996
strictly from a historical perspective, states have a very hard time making crimes into felonies. it will 100% absolutely be challenged if the bill is passed making a new felony.
that said, this is hilarious and i hope it passes
>>74670895
Uh yeah, you should have been banned. You just admitted that you started a thread by trolling. Believe it or not, other boards like /k/ aren't the same cesspools that /pol/ and /b/ are. You have to actually have some level of civility or discourse on those boards. Starting a thread with "LOL FUCKING KEKED ROFLFFFLFLL" is going to get you banned on most boards.
Do everyone else a favor and never leave this board again.
>Also they can never be transferred to anybody. When you die they cant even be passed down. They have to be destroyed.
how is this allowed? I mean I'm all for states' rights and whatever, but that's a direct affront to an amendment on the Bill of Rights.
>>74671089
Its not just serial numbers. If I bought an AR in California last month and never registered it, how can they force me to register it? How do they know I have it? Its not like the state gets and address, name, and serial number with every sale...
>>74671195
If you bought a rifle within the last few years they required that you registered them. If it was a gun with a detachable mag they would know.
But yes there are a huge number of guns bought before that date that are unregistered. There is no way for them to know. This is nothing but bullshit legislation.
>>74671297
Since 2014 or 2013 i forget they have had a mandatory registration for rifles. Private sales have also had to go through a dealer for awhile now
>>74671266
Yeah, but its easy enough to sidestep with a gun trust. The owner of the gun never changes, no transfer ever takes place, the trust never dies, but the trustee can change any damned time.
>>74671457
Gun trusts arent legal in california
>>74671351
Did you register at the point of purchase or sometime after the fact? Do gun stores report purchasers? Whats to stop you from producing a bill of sale indicating that you sold the weapon to Bob Bobson at a truck stop in Armadillo Fuck, Az?
>>74671428
What happens to people who arm and fund terrorists?
>>74671546
Its registered when you submit the background check. The state runs its own system.
>>74671203
It's a fun sporting rifle that's highly customizable, plus people like the way it looks. Seriously, we call it the Barbie of rifles, since you can change it to fot whatever preference you want.
It's also very accurate and lightweight, it's just a nice platform to throw lead down range.
Also it's not anybody's business to tell me what I can and can't own.
>>74671457
that's great and all, but you shouldn't have to go around finding loopholes just to have property passed down after being deceased.
>>74671538
For NFA items, sure, but have they outlawed corporate/trust ownership overall? When did that happen? These fuckers never play the long game like that...
>>74671549
They get thrown into jail and people still vote for them
See leland lee
>>74671428
Time to buy guns out of state, I guess. Or dummy up some out of state bills of sale.
>>74668633
How is any of this constitutional? How does this not infringe on gun owners god given right?
>>74671663
Transferring into a trust is illegal.
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=216756
>>74671718
You cant buy guns and transfer them into california legally.
>>74671689
My mistake, I thought in this country we brought gun criminals to justice.
>>74668633
Even if this passes, it will be challenged in the courts.
>>74671837
>You cant buy guns and transfer them into california legally.
That doesn't make any sense. We have free trade between our states.
>>74669246
I like NSYNC
>>74671943
California does what they want
>>74671837
>not having a hidden safe in your house that you place what would diane feinstein would call and "arsenal" that you acquired out of state and through 80% purchases
also
>not having CNC machines to make whatever the fuck you want
>not having reloading supplies stocked up
>>74671790
Well, shit. Guess its down to just straight up fraud for the Californians.
>>74669673
Frig off Randy
>>74671644
You cant own a nuke so i guess it is someones business to tell you what you can and cant own. Youre making the mistake of assuming sunjective wants are a good marker of ownership regulation such that what you want should be legal. I disagree on the notion that i might want a lot of things that shouldnt be legal.
A better metric is the question "why do you need it?" As ive said before I understand the practicality of handguns and hunting rifles but why ar's?
>>74672007
>not having to brag to strangers on the internet
>>74672007
Yea i know how to get around their stupidity.
I also own registered guns so i look like a good goy
>>74671983
Wait, is that seriously a law? That's against the constitution. States cannot regulate trade across other states.
>>74668633
good.
fucking NRA.
the bane of progress, the clan of degenerates.
>>74672166
>As of January 1, 2015, a new law in California supplants the federal law. It, too, prohibits California residents from buying guns out of state and simply driving home with them (or shipping them home). Now, the seller must ship to a licensed California dealer, who will treat the event like any in-state transaction, involving the waiting period, background check, and safety certificate. (Penal Code Section 27585.)
>>74671926
Ya and that takes years to repeal.
Come and take em, cucks
>living in commiefornia
>the year 2016 of our Lord
>>74671766
The courts are broken.
As nakedly corrupt as they are, they still felt they had to murder Scalia, or maybe that was hubris.
>>74672111
>I understand the practicality of handguns and hunting rifles
oh ok.
I suppose that leaves out my shotgun, so we don't have any problem with that.
>>74672186
What the fuck.
>No Tax or Duty shall be laid on Articles exported from any State. No Preference shall be given by any Regulation of Commerce or Revenue to the Ports of one State over those of another: nor shall Vessels bound to, or from, one State, be obliged to enter, clear, or pay Duties in another.
I hope someone challenges that in court; that cannot hold up.
>>74672275
>Ya
>>74672164
I feel bad for the guys who have FFLs that essentially gave a free pass to the Feds to search and seize their house. I wonder how long it will be until CA starts doing it on their own for all registered weapons.
>>74670187
>Bullet button
Nigger I bought a Ruger SR762 down the street at Turners on black Friday last year with an extra standard mag release. It's a 1 minute swap. I live in San Diego. Just stocked up on 1000 rounds of .308.
Step up your game.
That said, OP is right, Cali is coming for our guns but as of now they're at record sales. That is a standard argument used on the pro gun side. The gun lobby literally stood there and told these liberals that they are the reason people are flocking to buy more guns.
>>74672177
>AR-15
>$3000
I guess if you're an idiot who buys some kind of brand name limited edition anniversary AR with gold trim on it or something. I got mine for less than $500 and it's a damn fine rifle.
>>74668633
Make your own powder and bullets, hard work but what they don't know will end up hurting them so gloriously.
>>74672306
This
Im hoping i get this job ive been chasing in missouri
>>74672177
go to hell
>>74669673
He had me at "intensive purposes"...
>>74672177
>That pic
Nice strawman faggot
>>74669246
T. Trailer park boys
>>74670514
>as a californian
you're too far gone. Too indoctrinated to understand.
>>74672353
shotguns for home defense maybe but that leaves ar's and similar weapon platforms to question
>WHY DON'T YOU LIKE GUN REGISTRATION?
>Government is straight out telling you to turn in your guns or they'll seize them
Can we just nuke California?
>>74668633
brb, setting up my new and now extremely lucrative gun running operation to California.
>>74672529
shotguns are indeed among the best home defense weapons.
>>74672111
I've always felt that I should own a nuke and for really the same reason, governments wouldn't dare infringe upon my rights if they know or have a suspicion that I could fight back with a formidable force.
Why keep yourself unable to defend your life, liberty, and property in the most efficient way possible?
>>74670514
As a Californian, it's your duty to own one of these as it appears in this pic, the side facing should be unmarked - same with the other side. If you don't understand why, you deserve to have your gun collected.
Brown isn't likely to pass any of these laws. If any do make it through. They will get struck down in the courts with in a few years.
You don't have to worry too much, until Lt Governor Newsom gets elected to be governor. Then he will go full retard and try to turn California in UK or Australia. Which will end up in the courts and California will fight it all the way to the SCOTUS. Which depending on who wins the presidency and the judge they pick, could go bad. Though it isn't likely. Heller v DC isn't likely to get reversed by any SCOTUS with in our lifetime. So they will tell California to go fuck them selves. Which point Newsom will cook up another batch of gun laws and try again.
>>74672400
That would suck
Time for me to go to a red state. I have always felt that the laws in California do not represent me or my values
>Live in cali
>have a 9mm
I better stock up on ammunition
>>74672111
Judging from several wikipages, documentaries and some other bits of research in general, ARs generally fire a bigger round than handguns and dont have a lot of kick, making them easier to use, especially for women. They seem like the perfect home defense weapon.
Im sure a few more knowleadgeable Americans can correct me here if Im wrong though.
Suggest them to make an anti-gay law.
>>74672730
See how that works?
Should I buy a VEPR-12 and a bump stock for it this summer or get a new monitor and GTX 1080 for my PC?
>>74672506
I like how you make a comment on my lack of enlightenment on the issue and fail to raise any points against mine.
Here's why i want to know. I have an intuition that the reason why people would ever want ar style weapons is for vanity's sake (i do however understand the reason for handguns, hunting rifles, and shotguns in terms practicallity) and no one has been able to provide a reason why they need an ar other than "because i want it"
>>74672671
Is that the same Newsom who was mayor of San Francisco?
>>74672758
Gtx 1080 is overrated
Buy the shotgun
>>74672777
The thing is we dont have to justify it.
>>74672737
If my understanding is correct, Brits can have shotguns.
I'd rather have an AK, but maybe that's personal preference.
>>74672777
Nobody has ever provided a reason why they need a 32 oz soda other than "because I want it."
You're too far gone; please stay out of my state.
>>74668633
criminals don't follow the law so the only affected people will be the honest citizens who can't defend themselves
>>74668633
>>bullet button banned
This is the cake meme fulfilled.
>we don't want to take your guns just comply with our safety regualtions
>thanks for complying with our safety regulations now those guns are illegal
>>74668633
Isn't that unconstitutional?
It's like they want Trump to win.
>>74672674
You going to refugee to another state instead of fixing where you live, Mohammad?
>>74672800
Gavin Newsom, and yes.
Gun owners are completely and totally fucked if he gets elected. So better register as a democrat so you can defeat him in the primary. If of course California's democrat party bothers to have one and just doesn't hold a coronation for him.
>>74672882
Unfortunately, gun grabbing liberals have the hardest time understanding that concept for some reason
>>74668633
It's okay I was never gonna get a gun anyway in this shitty libcuck state.
>>74672777
we need guns to overthrow a tyrannical goverment, that's it.
>>74672911
Yes i am. Property is too expensive and the laws suck.
>>74672922
I vaguely remember hearing about how awful he was when I listened to Savage's talk show like 10-15 years ago. I can't believe there's a chance he could be governor of anything. What the fuck is going on in California...
>>74669673
>Responding to literal pasta
And I thought I was autistic.
>>74672987
Wow pussy....
>>74672777
It's a hell of defensive and hunting weapon in it's own right.
Also, if they have the capital, why shouldn't they get one if they want it?
Are you the type of person to give anyone the third degree on a personal purchase?
Why do you feel people you've never met have to justify their purchases to you?
Oh, because you're a "liberal". (read: crypto-Communist)
I have six of them, and tens of thousands of rounds of ammo. Take them if you can, you Red Fuck.
>>74672902
>constitutional
no one cares about that until someone with money takes the government to court.
>>74672646
You should not own a nuke. Nukes are fine in the hands of militaries because there are checks. As a principle of ethics, larger groups of people will behave more ethically than individuals.
Also there are things more important than you personal liberties such as the lives of countless others. Nuclear deterrent is already questionable as it is on an international scale but do you want you neighbor to own one
>>74673036
Call me what you will, this state is dead to me
>moved here last year with my complete lower receiver
>removed mag release mechanism before moving, told myself to get a bullet button
>put it off, now bullet buttons are illegal
JUST
>>74673050
So what is NRA waiting for?
>>74672866
The usual break action shotguns are available here, as well as semi auto shotguns (I think).
They have to be locked up in a safe though, if somebody breaks into your home and you shoot them, you will most likely go to jail for something ridiculous like not having the gun safely stored.
>>74672659
why does no one answer my question?
>>74672926
It's an argument that is brought up constantly and these fucking liberals still vote aye.
I could strangle the chairwoman. Lispy cunt.
>>74673098
Bullet buttons aren't illegal, but yeah your point is totally valid.
It won't pass the legislature - the argument that it will make millions of citizens instant criminals is valid.
>>74673003
Newsom is a radical left progressive pandering ass.
Who knows what bullshit he will promise during his campaign to get the hardcore coastal Democrats to vote for him.
He will probably promise more welfare for illegals, state run healthcare, dude weed, ban oil and gas drilling, and tax those evil rich whites.
>>74673269
It already passed the california senate
>>74672737
home intruders are rarely ever stopped with ar's. Even carbines have a longer barrel than handguns so they have a lot less utility in a home
and outside of a home, you will never be carrying around an ar
When is the california laws going to be overturned? Will Trump do anything?
>>74673100
NRA does help people take the government to court.
They pick their fights and go for the ones they know they can win easy.
>>74673139
I have a break action shotgun. It's a shorty, but it's legal and I have some dank ammo to go with it.
I also have laws that say if I have to unload then it's fully legal as long as it's within the confines of state law. I hope I never have to get it out.
>>74673050
Didnt fags cry aout the 14th ammendment which is why they got it all over the country.
>>74673350
the best Trump can do is appoint and get approved, pro gun judges and justices.
>>74672857
yeah you do.
justify your owning a nuke or an armed abrahms. you cant and thats why theyre not legal for personal use
>>74673143
Because no one knows what the fuck "why would I never that except to look cool" means, and if you meant ' why would i ever own that except to look cool' then the question doesn't merit a response.
>>74673060
So they should also buy ARs to protect their life, it's a simple concept.
My neighbor is a true red blooded patriot, I trust him with a nuke.
>>74668633
I guess the SKS is the best Semi-Auto rifle you can obtain legally.
>10 Rounds
>Fixed Magazine
>No Pistol Grip
Just remove the foldable bayonet.
Other than that just invest in muskets and cap and ball revolvers
>>74673438
Actually armed Abrams tanks are legal
So are nukes.
>>74669377
move to Texas. land is plentiful, bullets flow like water and the women are loose and good lookin.
>>74672871
Thats a clear strawman. The risk/benefit ratio's are different
>>74670187
uhh good. its instantly a safer state.
gonna move there any chance i get.
>>74673350
As a believer in states' rights, he won't and shouldn't. He can withhold federal funds, but that will probably just drive CA to complete autonomy. Then we won't even have the 2nd amendment to use as an argument.
>>74673429
Fuck please this.
>>74673476
Oh, the bayonet is legal, just has to be old enough.
>>74673420
yes.
but it isn't even a 14th amendment issue. there are other parts of the constitution that say states have to honor the laws from other states. which is why our state issued drivers' licenses and hetero marriage licenses were honored by other states.
>>74672737
Like if that's what you want to use it for, sure; no skin off my nose.
Typically, if you want to look at what a gun is genuinely good at, ARs are really not what you're looking for.
So, when it comes to a firearm, there is an eternal trade off between size, navigability, lethality, and usability. For instance, ARs are the middle child between a battle rifle and a submachine gun; effective at farther ranges than a submachine gun, better at close ranges and at higher rates of fire than a battle rifle. So, if your home defense is shooting well armed persons up to 300 yards, you're golden.
If you're at home, the most navigable(usable in close range) firearm you can own will be a pistol, but pistols are not particularly accurate , easy to use, or lethal. I suppose you could also buy a submachine gun if you like for a slightly more usable gun. If you generally want to kill someone with the least amount of training ~25 yards, you'd be better off with the shortest shotgun you can buy.
>Why do you need ARs?
To fight soldiers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ju4Gla2odw
>>74668633
The first 2 aren't bad because cops would be able to crack down on some dumb hick or nigger who is passing weapons and ammo around to their friends. Not fond of the rest though.
>>74668633
How is this legal? This is unconstitutional.
>>74673548
I am starting to believe, if a state tries to remove peoples rights, the fed has a right to remove its rights.
>>74673513
Yeah, more deaths are probably due to soda than due to guns. Soda is linked to obesity which is linked to all sorts of complicated health issues which drives healthcare costs up for everyone and costs taxpayers more money. We should have obesity control to save lives.
fuck guns. nobody needs a semi auto people killing machine anyway.
>>74668633
good shit desu
>>74673326
5.56 or .308 are terrible choices for defending yourself in your home if there's anyone else living with you or you share walls anyway.
I personally have a .357 strapped to the bedpost. If I had the time I would break out the AR, but chances are that seconds are all I'll have.
>>74673588
It is but california will still try and pass it
>>74668633
so, when crack was a huge problem, liberal lawmakers pushed bill clinton to do something, he made stricter laws against crack, black people get "mass incarcerated" and now we remember that as racism
these legslations seem pretty avoidable if you are a resonsible gun owner (shooting at ranges or in secluded areas, seems like no one would hassle you about this shit too much) but the black kids who are shooting each other up in the streets will be constantly victims of this kind of legislation, and i can only assume will be mass incarcerated.
basically i am just wondering if anyone else things this will come back in about a decade as "SYSTEMIC RACISM" when it puts a bunch of black people in jail. thoughts?
>>74672971
This isnt 1776. They no longer have muskets. They have predator drones and tanks and nuclear warheads and intelligence agencies capable of killing any insurgents covertly. They arent going to care that you have ar's. The only reason they wouldnt want to kill you is because they probably wouldnt want to kill masses of citizens
>>74673391
I cant be arsed to get a gun atm, even though id really like one. And Im off to uni soon (hopefully) so I doubt theyd be happy with me installing a massive safe in the dorm or havy scary shotguns on campus.
Id really want a few proper guns though, one of those PTR91s, a PPk so I can live out my Bond fantasies.
I dont really want to stock my basement with a hundred ARs but I would like the freedom to be able to defend myself.
>>74673060
Also nukes technically are legal to own, they government doesn't produce them, a private company in Texas does.
>>74668633
>California
who the fuck cares about California, the Mexican shit hole filled with niggers.
>>74669377
If you move to Colorado, I'll fucking shoot you.
>>74673734
You realize pretty much all of the miliary would be fighting itself if it ever came to that? Stop with this fantasy of the military ever shooting people in their own neighborhoods.
>>74669673
t.Burger education
>>74673702
Because guns hurt liberal feels, and unlike the past, everyone in the california legislature, senate, etc are bleeding heart liberals.
>>74673697
Walls are all thick brick or stone here, so if this country every legalised gunz I doubt over penetration would be a massive issue.
>>74673832
>Shooting somebody who is leaving the state due to restrictive laws
Idiot
>>74673043
Because part of the reason antigun groups are so militant and opposed to your agenda is that progun advocates hardly ever actually give good reasons why ar's should be legal.
Take this thread for instance. I asked, out of inquiry, why you think you ought to be able to own an ar and most people responded with "because i can you commie fuck". Dont you think others would be more receptive if you lessened the hostility and antagonism of the weapons debate???
>>74673832
Colorado is a nice state.
I have no interest in moving there.
>>74672659
Fellow 80%er.
Honestly tho, Jerry Brown vetoed these laws a couple years ago. He should be doing it again
>>74668633
Californians stopped paying attention to gun control laws when Obama took office.
The legislators are like a senile old woman who send letters to her sister's house, which was bulldozed for a mall 30 years ago.
>>74673907
Yes. These fucks need to fix their state instead of metastasizing.
>>74673969
Thank you. You are a gentileman.
This gun is legal in my state, praise jesus.
>>74673440
Thats the question indeed and i think it does merit a response. Im playing devils advocate and everyone in this thread really needs to get their arguments together
>>74674027
You realize the people leaving due to restrictive laws werent the ones voting for those same laws.
>>74673734
>Durr govt has tanks
>Durr govt has nuclear bombs
>Durr govt is an evil entity comprised of 5 people, like Cobra Commander in GI Joe
Are you for real? You don't understand the reality of the military being released on their own countrymen? You think our troops would patrol their own families and communities? You don't understand that other countries take into account the fact that almost every American is armed and how much more difficult that makes us to invade in infiltrate?
GTFO you fucking autistic bleeding heart liberal. Your feelings have no place in reality.
>>74673966
Ok fine Ill bite.
The only thing that makes an AR different from sny other type of gun is cosmetic features. Thats it.
>>74673734
And the Soviet Union had the most advanced technology for its time as well.
It's really not that simple; authority is established by consent. If people do not consent from the bottom up, government ceases to function. If the lower ranks of government are not willing to do the bidding of the upper, government ceases to exist.
>I am Johnny McCop
>I am supposed to raid the house of a gun owner
>I do not want to get shot walking through the front door to do something I disagree with
>I'm just going to write down I did it anyway and no funs were found
See where this goes?
>>74673795
What the fuck really? Can I own a NUKE?!
>>74673507
>for personal use
>>74673476
>not having a semi-auto Mosin
Older clip carbine conversions are actually deadlier than any modern shit.
>>74674166
If you have literally billions of dollars yes
>>74673966
I'll give you something when you start explaining to me how I'm supposed to enjoy being completely helpless against criminals if I want to remain a law abiding citizen?
Why do you people hate law abiding citizens? Why do you love criminals? Why do you want laws that only make it easier, and easier, and EASIER, for people to kill other people with guns?
>>74669246
(You) deserve every (You).
>>74674082
Yes. Running is still not a solution. Vote and convince your fellow man (and mestizo) while you're at it.
>>74674138
You're thinking of assault weapon, assault rifle actually has a definition.
>selective fire rifle
>fires a smaller caliber than a full rifle
>fires a larger caliber than a pistol
>>74673905
Oh not here. We have drywall, plywood and insulation. If I let a .308 loose in my condo it'd go through my walls, the neighbors walls, the garage and out to the street where it'd probably lodge itself in some kids head. Super bad choice for in house home defense - amazing choice for anyone behind cinder blocks. AR10 is the ultimate bug out weapon, just need a strong back for the ammo.
>>74674178
Yes they are
Abrams have classified components but functional tanks with working cannons are legal
The cannon is just a destructive device under the nfa
Nukes have no specific laws against them besides being a destructive device by the nfa
>>74669673
>getting trolled this hard
wew
>>74673734
>>74674349
>Getting reverse trolled
>>74674217
Use a handgun. A handgun is a lot more practical for defending yourself from a criminal. More discrete. Smaller barrel, easy to carry and operate etc. Why an ar?
also ive been playing devils advocate this entire thread so dont give me that "why you love criminals" strawman bullshit
>>74674054
No, you're trying to use invalid arguments to say that somehow a weapon that shoots the same caliber is more deadly than another because of it's design, regardless of the fact that beyond the frame they're exactly the same. You're no better than the gun grabbers who, in front of everyone in the Senate, referred to magazines over 10 rounds as "mega magazines" and even implied that a magazine itself was an assault weapon.
You disgust me. You don't need you point provoked, we all get it, and it's invalid. You don't use facts, you use feelings.
>>74673538
>Less opportunity for self-defense
>Safer
You're high, aren't you.
>>74674429
Answer this then
Why ban ARs when most crimes are committed with handguns? You guys just target ars because the scary features intimidate you.
>>74669800
It's pasta
>>74670643
Only break one law at a time.
>>74670160
Yes there are. An assault rifle is a select-fire rifle chambered in an intermediate cartridge. This has been the case since long before people started trying to ban guns in the US.
Assault Weapon, on the other hand, is an arbitrary legal designation.
>>74674356
>Im going to shoot down a bomber with muh ar
the only reason a rebellion would work is that the rebellion was backed by another country. In fact, putting international politics into account, its very likely allies will be helping the current regime subdue the insurgency. Vietcong won because they were backed by communist countries. American colonials won because they were backed by france.
This would play out like the civil war. A malsupplied and low tech army getting trampled by a clearer superior fighting force with infinitely better tech, training, and logistics
>>74674304
>fires a smaller caliber than a full rifle
>Full rifle
>Caliber
>Pistol
>Smaller than rifle
Oh man, this shit is gold.
You sound like the democrats who have zero idea about guns while at the same time trying to ban them. It'd be hilarious to watch if it wasn't so sad. At least you have no power, we can all laugh at how ridiculous you are.
>>74674111
foreign trained fighters
>>74674842
Good luck finding enough people to bomb their own country
>>74668633
>all semi auto rifles with detachable magazines are illegal
Somehow I don't believe that.
>>74674429
A handgun is most effective for defense outside the house.
For home defense, there is literally nothing better than an SBR. It's small, easy to use, and the 5.56 rounds will break up in walls so your chances of an innocent by stander being injured in minimal.
>>74671266
Doesn't matter.
Our nation's capital outright banned guns that were not grandfathered. It stood for decades until struck down of over constitutional reasons.
The illegal we do immediately, the unconstitutional takes a little while.
>>74674429
>I don't love criminals
But you are, if you're advocating gun control laws. If you're being a Devil's Advocate than your persona does, too.
Gun control laws have been moving the goalposts for decades, from fully-automatic rifles to even fucking handguns. Now they're going after ammunition.
The only people who will actually be affected by any of these are law abiding citizens. Violent criminals already ignore the law, why the fuck do you think imposing laws that neuter the law abiding citizen's right to life and pursuit of happiness is a proper response?
Gun control is anti-citizen, and every argument made for it that isn't "So the government has better control over its citizens through fear of criminal elements" is malevolently disingenuous.
>>74674605
most crimes wouldnt be commited by nuclear warheads if they were legal. That doesnt deter us from making them illegal for the average civilian
>>74674574
>strawman, the post
>>74674935
You have that 100% backwards. I pray I'm not in your house while you have the impression that they will break up in the walls.
>>74674863
He described it poorly, but assault rifles are select fire, shoulder fired weapons in an intermediate rifle chambering.
Which is basically what he said.
>>74674974
I don't think nuclear warheads are actually illegal.
>>74675013
Literally not an argument.
>>74674974
The only thing that makes an AR different from any other rifle is the fact that it has a pistol grip.
>>74675034
It's literally one of the cornerstones of the 5.56 round's design, you fucking moron.
>>74675068
No, this is what he said:
>selective fire rifle
>fires a smaller caliber than a full rifle
>fires a larger caliber than a pistol
This is what you said:
>He described it poorly, but assault rifles are select fire, shoulder fired weapons in an intermediate rifle chambering.
And both of you are wrong.
>>74668633
>>74674902
SO what youre saying is that the reason why the military wouldnt bomb the civilian population wouldnt have to do with the fact that the population was armed but rather simply in virtue of being members of the population. SO what youre saying is that we could win against a tyrannical government without weapons simply because we were united as a population and soldiers wouldnt want to bomb us?
>>74675129
>5.56 is safe to shoot inside the house, tactically superior inside than out vs a handgun
Just...
>>74674863
Explain how any of that is wrong.
Seriously, do it.
>>74675069
buy one
>>74675205
You cannot hold territory with bombers alone.
You need troops to go door to door.
With guns this makes it impossible for anybody cowardly enough to shoot innocent citizens to hold territory.
>>74668633
How about muzzle loader?
Im done with you faggots. I need to take a shit.
>>74674842
Russia have said that they would back the rebels if there was ever a revolution, but that could just be bollocks.
And you need to remember you need to find enough people to maintain the bomber, crew it AND have enough people to manage supply lines for fuel and ammunition. Not many people want to bomb their own countrymen.
>>74675225
When you can tell me how a 9mm pistol round has more grain than a .223 rifle round, then you can come back and play with the adults.
>>74669246
> doubles advocate
> diamond dozen
You make me want to smoke.
>>74669673
Its okay, you'll have another ID in other threads.
>>74673438
>Nukes and tanks
>unirionically comparing their purchase to that of an AR-15
This is why everyone is calling you a moron.
>>74668633
This just means more business for neighboring states as people will flock to get their fully automatic assault rifles and rounds from places like texas.
>>74675433
This is literally
>Not an argument
>>74675205
It's not a war if one side isn't armed. If we don't have weapons, they can just enslave us. If we have weapons, they have to kill us to win.
>>74669673
Autistic retard.
>>74675526
You're right, it's an indication that you don't have enough knowledge to properly engage an argument.
>>74675481
>and rounds
Beats the shit out of me.
>>74673720
It was Reagan thst did that.
The point stands though. Wanton enforcement of shit won't work unless you want to subjugate a people.
>>74674178
You can um, actually own a tank.
>>74668633
Soooo... get one in Nevada?
Hitler once wrote that to conquer a nation's people first you must disarm it.
That alone is why I've made getting the deadliest weapon I can get in my possession a life's priority.
>>74675716
While it's not common, and I bet you can't find many places to buy a tank, he's right you know.
>>74675223
>safe to shoot inside the house
Show me where I said shooting ANY gun inside a house is safe. The point of shooting a gun inside a house is to kill someone, and is by definition not safe.
But a 5.56 round is designed to break up upon hitting an object, so it's less likely to pass through a wall and hurt someone on the other side, when compared to a standard handgun round.
>>74675656
Then enlighten.
>>74668633
don't forget they want you to turn in all you mags over 10 rounds too
like CT
of course no on turned them in CT
>>74668633
>>bullet button banned
Wait what? I don't follow gun politics much, but weren't they literally just pushing for those? Like I remember barely a year ago hearing a big fuss about "we need bullet buttons to keep us safe" and now suddenly they're up in hysterics to repeal the law they were running around like headless chickens to pass. I thought our anti-gunners were insane, but this is beyond anything I've seen them do here.
